We received this letter in response to Billy Joe Daugherty – Highly Esteemed by Men:
How dare you call Billy Joe Daugherty a false anything. That man accomplished more for the Kingdom of God than just about any other man I have ever heard of. It is a shame that you don’t spend your time and resources doing the same, instead of talking shots at those who do. You will get to answer for it someday.
Victor and Paul’s reply:
Concerning Billy Joe, we understand, in Christ and by His Mind, your incredulity and consequent indignation. Furthermore, as human beings, we have nothing personally against Billy Joe or his family or anyone else for that matter. However, knowing the Lord, His ways, and what He has taught us and prepared in us, we dare do what we did, yes, we do.
Let me ask you a question or three, questions that apparently have never occurred to you:
Just how do false teachers come in the Name of Jesus Christ with such power and magnitude as to deceive, if possible, the very elect of God – people like Paul the apostle, for example? Think about it! Jesus solemnly warned of such deception:
Matthew 24:23-27 MKJV
(23) Then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ! Or, There! Do not believe it.
(24) For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders; so much so that, if it were possible, they would deceive even the elect.
(25) Behold, I have told you beforehand.
(26) Therefore if they shall say to you, Behold, He is in the desert! Do not go out. Behold, He is in the secret rooms! Do not believe it.
(27) For as the lightning comes out of the east and shines even to the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
And, “For many will come in My Name, saying, I am Christ, and will deceive many” (Matthew 24:5 MKJV).
Billy Joe was an excellent man, highly personable, energetic, compassionate, charismatic, knowledgeable, and presentable…. What did you expect for deception – horns, fangs, hooves, claws, tail, trident, flame thrower, scowl, and cursing? Would that be deception? Are you that gullible?
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 MKJV
(13) For such ones are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(14) Did not even Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light?
(15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.
Let’s look at the hidden fruits under the apparent fruits, shall we, Karie?
Billy Joe Daugherty preached healing, but was not healed.
Billy Joe preached victory over sickness and disease in this life if one truly believed, but he died prematurely of disease.
The Scriptures teach that none of these diseases come on us that came on the Egyptians, if we obey God and keep His commandments. Billy Joe died of a vicious disease. Was he keeping God’s commandments? We don’t think so! This is not a matter of opinion, but of the Word of God and Billy Joe’s fruits, contrary to the Word of God.
You are Billy Joe’s fruits as well! We prefer to believe God, but you, contrary to the Word of God and Jesus Christ, prefer to judge after the appearance, believing a highly impressive man.
“But let God be true, and every man a liar; as it is written, ‘That You might be justified in Your sayings, and will overcome when You are judged'” (Romans 3:4 MKJV).
If you read these informative, revelatory documents on what is true and false, you will find many more things that Billy Joe Daugherty did and taught, which belie his profession of faith in, and service to, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Yes, we do dare, Karie! In fact, we don’t dare not to dare! You need to repent and realize you have been duped in the Name of Jesus Christ and have believed on another christ of another gospel, and not the True!
And it isn’t Billy Joe’s fault – it is YOURS; he was merely God’s instrument to sift you. Pray, woman, repent, and seek the Living God, if perchance He might deliver you from the Great Deception upon the earth.
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, so that all those who do not believe the truth, but delight in unrighteousness, might be condemned” (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 MKJV).
As to the great works Billy Joe has done, have you not red the Scriptures and the Lord’s words concerning such? They are part and parcel of the deception:
“Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your Name, and through Your Name throw out demons, and through Your Name do many wonderful works? And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!” (Matthew 7:21-23 MKJV)
Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen
First of all you should really consider investing the time it takes to run a spell check on your E-mails.
Secondly, I don’t usually waste my time engaging glassy eyed moon bats, but I love Billy Joe, his family and his church.
Thirdly I think you should carefully read Psalms 105, “Touch not mine anointed”, repent and be forgiven.
Paul and Victor’s reply:
Is this a representative sample of your Christlike love, Karie:
“I don’t usually waste my time engaging glassy eyed moon bats….”?
And self-righteous pride of spelling – vaunting yourself, yet finding no spelling error to vindicate yourself? My, my! What a precious influence Billy Joe has had on your heart!
We know you love Billy Joe, but little good did your brand of love do him, supporting him in his wickedness that killed him. His family and church will fare no better with your kind of love. We have given you something to read about this, but since you consider hearing what the Lord has provided a waste of time, our love does you no good.
In fact, since you have come attacking us, who have faithfully spoken the Word of God, it is you who is touching His anointed.
These words apply to Billy Joe and you:
“Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate” (Psalms 34:21 KJV).
You are the one who needs to understand what is written in Psalm 105. God’s judgments are in all the earth. He is the One Who gave the devourer rights to Billy Joe:
“He is the LORD our God: His judgments are in all the earth” (Psalms 105:7 KJV).
You are a foolish and wicked woman, running loose without supervision, straight into destruction. Go ahead, follow your beloved teacher and meet the same fate. It is inevitable, and you have been solemnly warned.
Paul and Victor
So have you
A believer’s response to Victor and Paul, which they sent to Karie, with permission:
Hi Paul, Victor, and Sara
How are you all? Have things slowed down a bit for you all or are things still really busy? Well, I hope that this e-mail finds you doing well.
I have been reading the correspondence below with Karie, and I instantly remembered how I came upon The Path of Truth website! During the ordeal with my son, I constantly watched Christian television 24/7 including the preacher mentioned. I remember thinking to myself, “Wow, he hasn’t aged like all of the other TV preachers I have watched over the years. He looks good and healthy.”
One day I turned on the TV as usual and was shocked to see a live memorial service for this pastor on the channel called Day Star. I was in complete disbelief and I went to GOOGLE to find out what happened to him. I was in further shock to find out he died from cancer even though I had heard him teach about how healing is our right if we are saved and just have enough faith.
I felt confused and distraught because I had used some of those same concepts in my situation which had resolved by this time. For a while I searched all over GOOGLE to find an answer. I found either atheist opinions or opinions like Karies’ – until I came to your site.
When I came to The Path of Truth site, I just knew in my spirit that I had found the right God appointed answer as to why this had happened. Just thought I would share this with you after reading the correspondence below.
Have a wonderful evening!
LOL getting alot of miles out of my email aren’t you. Too bad you can’t capitalize on your own original thoughts.
Victor and Paul’s reply:
Karie, you toss out foolish accusations because you have no substance. You speak from an empty and corrupt heart. This was just a coincidence and yet another witness we passed on for your benefit, to spare you the same end as your beloved teacher.
You Sir are what we in the sane world would consider a Ding Dong. Is my original e-mail the only attention you are getting this week? Have you not been able to provoke anyone else? My correspondence with you has apparently struck a nerve, maybe you should consider the source of that pain, could it be a hint of conscience? Hmmmmm.
To which we say:
“Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you! For so their fathers did to the false prophets” (Luke 6:26 MKJV).
Had this woman demonstrated godly fruits on behalf of Billy Joe Daugherty, she would have proven us wrong. Instead she has confirmed our report to you, demonstrating the fruits that are his legacy.
We have now shared our posting with Karie. Her reply:
LOL She wasn’t delivered FROM confusion, she was captured by a Spirit of Deception. Something else you boys will get to answer for. I guess you will continue to lie about whether or not I can answer for my own words, but it makes great fodder for your sheep doesn’t it.
It’s all on public record as to whether you can answer for your own words or not, Karie. We have omitted nothing. The readers can be the judges, as they choose.
Your time is up, Satan, liar and false accuser. We are on to you, and you are powerless against us.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Victor and Paul
Ok, so now I am Satan huh? Does membership in yout little cult include a prozac prescription?
John 8:44-47 MKJV
(44) You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(45) And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me.
(46) Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you not believe Me?
(47) He who is of God hears God’s Words. Therefore you do not hear them because you are not of God.
You are the one who is deceived Paul. You have become a bitter and vindictive man, looking for and finding fault with everyone else. I read through your list of False Teachers and I was amazed that you can justify wasting your days calling productive and effective ministers the names you call them and then scream in protest when you are called out on it. We can have a scripture war if you would like but it would be futile. Your lust is for twisting scriptures for the gratification of your own ego. Can you not measure up in your own eyes without tearing others down Paul?
You have a religious spirit and just as you were unable to find the spelling error in your first response to me, you are unable to find the error in your own life. Do you not see the contradiction when you accuse me of being of the Devil? Haven’t you now become an accuser of the brethren? It is not for you to decide whether or not I am saved. That is God’s domain. Jesus is love and mercy and forgiveness. The letter of the Law brings death Paul, but the Spirit of God brings life. I wish you would find life and see it in those who give their lives for the gospel. And what IF they are in error? God will deal with them, He is God. He created this Gospel, surely He can make His corrections in it. Why can’t you join those who live to see others saved and freed from the bondage’s that separate them from that Love of God?
I assumed when I first encountered your web site that you were toying with people, trying to scam a living off of a segment of the population unable or unwilling to trust God to prove His Word. I found you infuriating but comical and sad. Now I see that you actually do believe the things you are saying and I am afraid for you. Had I known you were serious and not just out to make a buck, I would not have made fun of you. I will now pray that the eyes to your understanding would be opened. I hope that you find a place in your heart for mercy, even when you disagree with someone else’s theology, even if they are wrong. God is not a vicious God, he judges the heart. I hope that you are someday able to find that same mercy in your heart.
This will be my last communication with you. I would also hope that you would post this letter as you have the others.
Karie, there is no bitterness or vindictiveness with Paul whatsoever, as all who know him well enough will testify in all honesty, without doubt or hesitation. Your problem is that you are condemned in your unbelief.
Again, while we both give you substance, with ample Scripture for support and confirmation, you can only give your judgment and opinion. And again, you display that kind of mentality that approves of Billy Joe Daugherty and others like him. As Jesus said, “That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination with God.”
Are we calling names? You mean like:
Matthew 23:13-33 MKJV
(13) But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men. For you neither go in, nor do you allow those entering to go in.
(14) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and pray at length as a pretense. Therefore you shall receive the greater condemnation.
(15) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you compass sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
(16) Woe to you, blind guides, saying, Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor.
(17) Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
(18) And, Whoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is a debtor!
(19) Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
(20) Therefore whoever shall swear by the altar swears by it, and by all things on it.
(21) And whoever shall swear by the temple, swears by it and by Him Who dwells in it.
(22) And he who shall swear by Heaven swears by the throne of God, and by Him Who sits on it.
(23) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left undone the weightier matters of the Law, judgment, mercy, and faith. You ought to have done these and not to leave the other undone.
(24) Blind guides who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
(25) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of extortion and excess.
(26) Blind Pharisee! First cleanse the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of them may be clean also.
(27) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
(28) Even so you also appear righteous to men outwardly, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
(29) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets, and decorate the tombs of the righteous,
(30) and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
(31) Therefore you are witnesses to yourselves, that you are the sons of those who killed the prophets;
(32) and you fill up the measure of your fathers.
(33) Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
You say, “Well, that was Jesus! He has the right; you don’t!” So what about:
“Then [John the Immerser] said to the crowd that came forth to be baptized by him, O generation of vipers! Who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” (Luke 3:7 MKJV)?
You are a viper, Karie.
And then there is the apostle Paul, who approved a saying of “name-calling,” repeated it, and it became Scripture: “One of them, a prophet of their own, said, ‘Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons’” (Titus 1:12 MKJV).
You are a liar, Karie, and an evil beast, brutish in all your ways, and we deal with brutes like you with truth, while all beasts can do is opine, protest, scream like the pigs they are, and accuse the godly of the very things they themselves are guilty of.
And as Jesus was no accuser of those who were His brethren, neither was Paul guilty for declaring forthrightly those who are false brethren, like you and Billy Joe.
As for the spelling error that consumes you, it is plain we don’t make an issue of spelling and grammatical errors with anyone, as for example, “for your sheep doesn’t it.”; “Does membership in yout little cult”; “talking shots at”. And few there are we deal with that don’t have errors and often plenty of them – on record.
But if that is all you have to value so highly, how wretched you are! Hypocrite, unlike the Pharisees, you can’t even cleanse the outer or “white” it! Your deadness is plainer than theirs, and not for honesty’s or virtue’s sake any more than with them.
It is God Who is dealing by us with error, we being His express servants with that very call to do so:
“And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied to these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with myriads of His saints, to do judgment against all, and to rebuke all the ungodly of them concerning all their ungodly works which they ungodly did, and concerning all the hard things ungodly sinners spoke against Him” (Jude 1:14-15 MKJV).
We do our duty:
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them” (Ephesians 5:11 MKJV).
And of you is it recorded:
“But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves” (Jude 1:10 KJV).
My, my, more “name-calling,” and from the Bible yet! And criticism, too!
But who are you to accuse us of criticism of others when you do the same with us, you viper and hypocrite?
And while we do speak truth against error by the Spirit of God, with substance and with Scriptural evidence, you spew out of a wicked heart, full of pride and blasphemy, error against truth! We have told you, your end will be that of Billy Joe, and you will have fully earned it, you foul proselyte of men!
We appear phony and scamming to you because of your spiritual death state as a child of hell, unable to tell the difference between the Spirit of God and that of Satan. You have an evil eye, Miss Devil, and we pluck it out for you by truth. You say, “Jesus is love and mercy and forgiveness.” You are right, and you are wrong!
“With the pure You will show Yourself pure; and with the perverted You will appear perverse” (2 Samuel 22:27 MKJV).
“With the merciful, You will show Yourself merciful; with an upright man You will show Yourself upright; with the pure You will show Yourself pure; and with the crooked You will show Yourself perverse. For You will save the afflicted people, but will bring down high looks” (Psalms 18:25-27 MKJV).
“For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either! Behold then the kindness, and the severity of God; on those having fallen, severity; but on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off” (Romans 11:21-22 MKJV).
Your god may not appear a vicious being outwardly, but I assure you, he is vicious, vicious indeed, which you will learn. As for our God, He comes across as vicious all right. He causes women to boil and eat their own children in a siege for their steadfast iniquities. “Old Testament”? He wipes out Ananias and Sapphira with a stroke and causes the church, never mind the heathen, to fear. To the church in Thyatira, His words are “vicious” enough, though to Bibliolaters with minds numbed and eyes glazed over, they may not discern the “viciousness”:
Revelation 2:20-23 MKJV
(20) But I have a few things against you because you allow that woman Jezebel to teach, she saying herself to be a prophetess, and to cause My servants to go astray, and to commit fornication, and to eat idol-sacrifices.
(21) And I gave her time that she might repent of her fornication, and she did not repent.
(22) Behold, I am throwing her into a bed, and those who commit adultery with her into great affliction, unless they repent of their deeds.
(23) And I will kill her children with death. And all the churches will know that I am He Who searches the reins and hearts, and I will give to every one of you according to your works.
Jezebel, you write, “I hope that you are someday able to find that same mercy in your heart.”
How can anyone in sound mind possibly say they see any mercy in you? You are a wicked witch, with not even pretense of piety, only profession, as well as opinion and condemnation for those you accuse of condemnation. Complete your sins, then, and reap your benefits to the full.
Finally, you say, “I would also hope that you would post this letter as you have the others.”
We have posted all your correspondence in full, have we not? By God’s grace, we intend to post this one, as you hope.
For those who have eyes to see, may they see the darkness and contradiction of those who are inclined to praise the likes of beautifully whited sepulchers like Billy Joe Daugherty and so many others, whom God is exposing and delivering to their just judgments. Is it any wonder you are seduced and seducing, in the ditch, fornicating with your blind leader? But you are finished, Karie. Your day of judgment is here because we have spoken.
A servant of Jesus Christ, one of the many of whom Enoch prophesied,
You guys didn’t publish my last response did you? I didn’t figure you would. When devils are exposed, they rage and they roar, they spew vile curses and make idle threats. You have fallen prey to a religious spirit and you seem to like him. It’s sad -you could be drawing people to the light of Jesus but instead you are intent on sucking them into the darkness that you choose to exist in. You are deceived Victor. You crave destruction and vengeance and you disguise those lusts with false piety.
I will pray for you but I will not communicate with you anymore. Your future mails will be treated as spam.
Again, Karie Manton comes forth with nothing but opinion and vile judgment. Now she accuses us of not posting all the correspondence, as though she is the only one in the world we are dealing with and must turn on a dime to satisfy her lusts and demands. Besides, why are we obligated to post unsubstantiated lies against God and His ministry without His answer? This is not a free-for-all forum, but the website of the Lord where one can hear what He has to say to liars and their blasphemies against Him. I marvel at how she can be so eager to display her evident darkness. Doesn’t she see it? Obviously not!
A cursory glance at our site work could have corrected Karie, if she had any sense at all, but her problem is that she has no desire whatsoever for the truth or heart for correction. Her agenda is a wicked stance of rebellion against all that is right and good – she prefers her sins and pleasures to the Lord Jesus Christ, Whom she pretends to worship. To her it is all about appearances and touchy-feely goodness. Substance is foreign to her. See her end, all of you, and fear God, Whom she has so unwisely mocked and despised. The legacy of Billy Joe Daugherty is destruction.