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The following correspondence was received in French, and translated into English by Ingrid Benson. Victor and Paul answered in English, and Ingrid translated the replies into French for Ali. Segments in green were written in English by Ali.
We received this note from Ali:
As a Muslim, I am telling you that your effort is good, but everything you have said about the condemnation of the Koran is false. If you really want to research the truth, you will have to be more honest in your speech and especially in your choice of the verses from the Koran (the hardness of the speech only applies to enemies in case of war). You can see for yourself the history of non-Muslim citizens in a Muslim state. You will notice the permanent respect and peace with them (very old churches exist without any problem in the Near East and Maghreb). The Bible in your hands has been modified a lot from the original version. There are a lot of bibles already. The Jews and the false (inappropriate) Christians (they are not all inappropriate) have modified the Bible for their subjective reasons.
Finally, I promise you that I will answer your several questions [referring to questions presented in The Answer to Islam] later.
LET’S BE MORE LOGICAL TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH.
Ali, we await to hear your answers to our questions, with specific examples of the errors of the Bible to which you refer. Meanwhile, understand that we have both the words and the example of Muhammad to teach us what Islam stands for, whose example we have contrasted with the words and example of Jesus Christ. Are you telling us that you believe Muhammad was a follower of Jesus Christ?
Ali sent an article about Muhammad for us to read as we wait for his answers to the questions.
We need to hear your answer about Muhammad, not what others say. Can you not answer our simple, direct question? The Answer to Islam shows how what Jesus Christ teaches and stands for has no agreement with Muhammad. Are you trying to tell us that Muhammad is in agreement with Jesus Christ? What specifically are you trying to tell us? You came to us with your disagreement, so it needs to be your own thoughts and words that we hear. We are not unsure of what we know and in Whom we believe, but so far we have heard nothing certain from you.
Because of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done in our lives, we have the truest of desires to be honest and true – we were never that way until He miraculously made us so, according to His omnipotence and goodwill toward us.
You urge that we should be more logical in our search for truth. You therefore reveal that you are still searching for the truth. We, however, have found the Truth – Jesus Christ, Almighty God. More accurately, He has made Himself known to us. We are therefore no longer searching for It (Him).
As for your call to logic, logic necessarily deals with fact. You have made statements that must be backed up with facts (not opinion), if we are to use logic and reason. For example, you say:
“The Bible in your hands has been modified a lot from the original version.”
Can you give us proof of your claim? You cannot expect us to simply take your word for it and be logical at the same time, at least not according to our definition of “logic.”
You say: “There are a lot of bibles already.”
While we know of many translations – and we use many – there is only one true Bible and only One Truth. If you know of other legitimate “God-breathed” Bibles, please let us know. We are not aware of them.
You say: “The Jews and the false (inappropriate) Christians (they are not all inappropriate) have modified the Bible for their subjective reasons.”
Please give us specific proof of this. You are not logical or reasonable to give us hearsay or opinion or words and opinions of others, like Napoleon, Ghandi, or George Bernard Shaw, expecting us to take their word for it. We are only interested in facts and proof of claims made. Otherwise, we are foolish to believe anything anyone says.
I hope you can appreciate that. After all, isn’t that exactly what you are telling us…that we cannot believe the Bible because it has been changed by men? Are you not a man? Where do you get your information? Can you believe it or depend on it? Do you know for sure? If we cannot believe the Bible, how should we believe you?
There is the problem, Ali. What is the True Source of Authority, if not the Creator? We know Him (Jesus Christ), we speak with Him, and He with us. He is the only solution to the whole problem of determining who is right and who is wrong. He said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man can come to God but by Me.” He also said, “I am the Light of the world.” Without Him, there is no life.
As for the Koran, you say the verses we have chosen only apply to enemies in time of war. Aren’t Muslims chanting, “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!”? Are they not vowing to destroy the West and to take over the world? Isn’t that what Jihad (holy war) is all about? What about Khomeini, Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, and so many mullahs in both East and West, urging the destruction of the West?
From what many are beginning to see, the Koran and its dictates are understood rather clearly, and the fruits prove it all over the world.
Clearly, our information is not your information but I can tell you this: prove your claims to be true and we will listen. Tell us what you know, not what others say, and give us proof that you are justified in what you believe. Otherwise, you are only wasting our time and energies.
Worse still, you will be found not paying attention to the Truth we speak, which can guarantee your salvation and favor with God should you believe us.
Ali’s response #1:
If we are sincere in our search for truth, we cannot accuse others and throw in false suspicions. I am a Muslim and I respect all religions. If you do not believe in the Koran, it is your problem. But you cannot condemn it in an abusive way that does not leave room for dialogue. My message is mainly related to the article “The Answer to Islam”. I want to insist on the fact that the harshness of a few speeches from the Koran is intended to the enemies of the religion and in case of war.
Ali’s response #2:
Yes Muhammad is in agreement with Jesus. We say that all prophets are from a one God. We believe that Adam, Idriss, Nooh, …, Joseph, Israel (Jacob), Moïse, Ibrahim, Issa (Jesus), and Mohammed are all in agreement because they translate the message from one God: ‘ALLAH’. The Truth what we believe is the Coran the final message. Other messages (predecessors) are the preparation for it. Our prophet Mohammed when he talk about the other prophets he say “my brother Moïse, my brother Issa, …”.
You say in your message: “As for the Koran, you say the verses we have chosen only apply to enemies in time of war. Aren’t Muslims chanting, “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!”? Are they not vowing to destroy the West and to take over the world? Isn’t that what Jihad (holy war) is all about? What about Khomeini, Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, and so many mullahs in both East and West, urging the destruction of the West?”
What’s this? I’m not with the declaration of one of these. But I say that aren’t Americans who are bombard baghdad. The USA confirms too the political army of Israel. Their reasons are democracy and terrorism(..)??!!. All these reasons are false. (PETROLE….. PETROLE and for Israel: the earth of oppointment??!!). I remark here that the sionism use the Torah (modified) to agreement his war.
But the others (Khomeini, Bin Laden, Najed, …), I’m not in agreement with.
All prophets comdamns the war and the use extensive of forces. I understand that the humanity is in majority is far from the pure behaviour (religion) which God want. Of corse I integrate muslims.
To keep on track, I will keep dealing with the confrontation Koran-Bible and Mohammed-Jesus. I want to insist on the fact that both come from the same source and the two prophets are brothers chosen by the good God. (the detailed answers are in the making) I understand… I understand that the humanity is in majority is far from the pure behaviour (religion) which God want. Of corse I integrate muslims.
But when we talk about pure and sound religion, we say that Islam is the best because the Koran as a message of God has not been modified. But maybe the practices of a few Muslims makes non-Muslim believe that the religion pushes its followers to be extremists and does not like dialogue and peace with others.
I will finish with these verses from the Koran:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[6.1] All praise is due to Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and made the darkness and the light; yet those who disbelieve set up equals with their Lord.
[6.2] He it is Who created you from clay, then He decreed a term; and there is a term named with Him; still you doubt.
[6.3] And He is Allah in the heavens and in the earth; He knows your secret (thoughts) and your open (words), and He knows what you earn.
[6.4] And there does not come to them any communication of the communications of their Lord but they turn aside from it
[6.5] So they have indeed rejected the truth when it came to them; therefore the truth of what they mocked at will shine upon them.
[6.6] Do they not consider how many a generation We have destroyed before them, whom We had established in the earth as We have not established you, and We sent the clouds pouring rain on them in abundance, and We made the rivers to flow beneath them, then We destroyed them on account of their faults and raised up after them another generation.
So far I have not heard from you, but am waiting for your answers to all my questions.
Meanwhile, I have another question for you. You write: “I am a Muslim and I respect all religions.”
The Mosque of Omar is in Jerusalem, the former capital of Judah and Israel. It was built not just anywhere, but on the very site of the Jewish Temple Mount. I see no respect for Judaism.
Inside it is displayed a statement, saying, “God has no son.” Primary Christian Biblical teaching is that God has manifest Himself to the earth, and Jesus Christ is that Manifestation. I see no respect for Christianity.
My question is this: Are you telling me that you disagree with what Muslims have done and what they say in the Mosque of Omar? If not, how can you say you respect all religions? Please explain.
Not that we agree with much of what is taught as Christianity. Jesus Christ is not at all pleased with what is being done and taught in His Name.
Ali’s reply #1:
There is no reason to be suspicious of the Kalifa Omar because even the Christians and their successors in Jerusalem have very much respected his decision and his agreement with them. He respected them well. He did not say his prayer in the church. Did you know that our prophet Muhammad has said that it is by no means refused to a Muslim to break even the Cross of the Christians.
Ali’s reply #2:
Hi Mr Vector
I disagree with you that the Kalifa Omar has not respected Judaism and Christians. I would like to know why the church (Al-Kiyama) is next to the mosque. Can we say that Christians don’t respect Judaism either? No, it is false. It is normal that the mosque would be next to the church which is next to the Jewish synagogue for a reason of peace between religions. I do not believe as you do that the current land of Israel is the eternal capital city of Judaism. It is false. All religions can be found on this land (Palestine). The only land that has been created by a simple agreement (Balfor) is Israel. It was created by the contribution of the beginning Zionist movement of Hertzel and its members which uses the Jews and the Talmudian texts (which do not have a holy origin) to constitute that State… In one word, Zionism uses religion (Judaism) to have a State. Hertzel, Ben Gourion, Golda Meir, etc … are not believers.
You say: “Primary Christian Biblical teaching is that God has manifest Himself to the earth, and Jesus Christ is that Manifestation. I see no respect for Christianity”.
We do not believe such as what you are saying. Jesus is not the manifestation of Allah on earth. Our difference in belief does not mean non-respect. Jesus is a prophet like the others, but his birth was a miracle that our God performed to convince the unfaithful Jews and the unbelievers. The miracle of the birth of Jesus is as the one of the birth of the father of mankind Adam. Our Holy Koran says:
[3.59] Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.
[3.60] (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputers.
I disagree that religions should be in confrontation for war, but why not rather in confrontation for dialogue. I want to tell you that our good God has sent the various prophets to save mankind from the various darkness and evil deeds. We have to believe in all the prophets and their messages. I will give you a small verse from the Holy Koran:
[2.285] The apostle believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His apostles; We make no difference between any of His apostles; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.
Do you believe that if Moses or the Messiah (Jesus) are between us, they will be faithful to the message of Mohammed? Indeed, all the messengers have been sent from the same source. They are servants of the good God ‘Allah’.
[3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims.
I hope that the good God will help you discover Islam and its truth without the influence of a few false beliefs about it. Finally, whosoever searches for truth, without prejudice, will find it. That is sure. If you believe in Islam, it does not prevent you from believing in other religions (J and C) and this will not bother you because it is the fine message of our Lord. Our Lord who loves us and wants us to go in the right path in this life and in the other.
It is adorable to discover Islam and its universal character.
Ali, I did not say that a mosque was built next to a church, and I don’t care if a mosque is built next to a church or a church next to a mosque. To me it does not matter because neither of those is valid in Jesus Christ’s eyes, and frankly, I do not care about the Temple Mount either because God does not care about it as men do:
“Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither worship the Father in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know, we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to worship Him. God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:21-24 MKJV).
I only bring up the Temple Mount to point to the fact that Islam respects no other religion because Islam is a religion. That is the nature of religion. To say that one religion respects another is to say that panthers respect rabbits and lions respect sheep. You know very well it is so. Why try to deceive me, or are you so deceived that you do not know this?
I also know that Theodore Herzl, Ben Gurion and Golda Meir were not believers, but neither are you. Only those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, Creator of Heaven, earth and all things, are true believers, born again of His Spirit. That does not include most who call themselves “Christians.” For example, the Catholic Church has 1.3 billion members, and none of them is a Christian. Otherwise, they would not be Catholic. If anyone happens to become a true believer of Jesus Christ while in the Catholic Church, he or she must come out of it or perish in darkness and wrath. As it is written:
“Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty” (2 Corinthians 6:17-18 MKJV).
Catholicism is an abomination to God. That goes for every other denomination of Christendom – Orthodox, Protestant, Coptic, etc. That goes for all religions as well, including Islam. Religions are men’s opinions and notions about God. They are all power grabs by men pretending to represent God, offensive to fellow mankind and to God Himself. God hates all religion. What He wants is humility, mercy, truth and reality.
That is what He has given me. I share it with you. There is only one way to receive the Truth and that is by and from the Truth – the Lord Jesus Christ, Who declared, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man can come to the Father but by Me” (John 14:6).
You again make reference to my search for truth, but apparently you did not read what I said:
“We have found the Truth – Jesus Christ, Almighty God. More accurately, He has made Himself known to us. We are therefore no longer searching for It (Him).”
You write: “Finally, whosoever searches for truth, without prejudice, will find it. That is sure.” That is very true. We know, for we have found Him. More accurately, He has revealed Himself to us, Ali. Jesus Christ is the Truth. We know the Truth because we know Him, the resurrected Messiah of mankind come through Israel. Christ’s grave is the only one empty because, being God, He has power over Death and Hell. He is not Muhammad’s brother. He created Muhammad. This is a great difference.
Think of this also: The Lord Jesus Christ has appeared to and speaks to us. He has assured us of salvation, of fellowship with Him hereafter, as well as now. He has already given us the down payment of that future, next-world unity and fellowship with Him. You cannot say the same for yourself of Muhammad or Allah.
I ask you to answer the rest of my questions or objections. You are not finished. You have made claims that you did not substantiate with fact. How can I carry on a logical, reasonable conversation with you without your providing facts to back your assertions? You tell me I have false beliefs, that the Bible is untrustworthy because modified, and that there are many Bibles, but you cannot prove so. I cannot simply accept your opinions, whether you quote the Koran or whatever. Give me substance.
Little do you know that I have received my doctrine from God, directly. You must do what I ask if you expect me to have respect for what you have to say.
I will ask you another question. The Koran says that Muslims respect all messengers from God (Surah 2:285). How do you know I am not a messenger from God?
Let’s be more precise. You are greatly confusing religion with ideology. Religion normally comes from God, but the ideology is a human act (..). The three religions I, J and C come from our good God. Your belief is peculiar to you and I respect it, but it does not mean that it cannot be said that I believe the Truth of Islam which has come through its messenger Mohammed. What a mistake to say: “Islam respects no other religion because Islam is a religion. That is the nature of religion. To say that one religion respects another is to say that panthers respect rabbits and lions respect sheep. You know very well it is so. Why try to deceive me, or are you so deceived that you do not know this?” Let’s agree more on the fact that our good God loves everybody and loves of course more particularly his prophets because he created them all – and among them the miracle prophet Jesus-Christ. The latter is a truth of course, but he is not the end of the truth. He is a link in the chain of Truth that lead us to the light and save us from darkness.
I know that dialogue between religions and beliefs is a difficult task. If one of the two has said “I have tried to find the Truth”, he is of course questioning the need for the conversation. Did you know, Mr Victor, that our effort in the search for the truth is endless? You can see in the history of mankind all the different attempts that man has made to find himself and Truth in general. Already your site has the name “The Path of Truth.” Truth is far from being a simple end as you suppose, but something you tend towards. We have to open our minds to the different opinions, and you have to be aware that the price of truth is too expensive because it is expensive too.
(I will prepare the different answers, but it could take time.)
Take a look at this site:
Islamic murders and atrocities, day to day:
This answer means the following thing: islamophobic current.
How many deaths and massacres have the colonialist movements and the two World wars and the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki caused? There are the West, the Jews and the inappropriate Christians and what they are doing in the World. You were looking for hatred and not dialogue; you were looking for destruction instead of construction. That is why our good Lord has sent his Messenger Muhammad, but you don’t understand. The Jews have killed a lot of prophets sent by the good Lord.
I know that there are extremist movements everywhere in any religion or ideology. But it does not prevent us from saying that Islam is the grace that will save humankind from its darkness.
The current leaders of Muslim countries are dictators allies to the West and inherited from the colonial era and they are not true adherents to the message of God. And the pictures shown on this site are the consequences of colonial poverty and recession. There is the ILLUSION that blurs your vision of things.
Here is the war of Mr Bush, his allies and the Zionist currants against “terrorism.” How many deaths? How much democracy after 7 years in Afghanistan and 5 years in Iraq?
I hope that the Lord will help you discover the right path…
Ali sent his objections to The Answer to Islam. He also sent this note:
On the path of the truth, you can try to learn this reference. Please, try not to ignore this work, which could have a certain importance for you.
Believe me, I want that you and I together discover the truth in this world full of controversies. To me, through this conversation, I want to help you discover my approach to truth. No one can force you change your beliefs. But very simply, to have a better knowledge is our goal. Maybe the beliefs change with knowledge. The advice from the Koran: to know more is to be closer to the Truth.
Hi Ali, Paul Cohen here.
We have received your answers to our questions in The Answer to Islam. Lord willing, we look forward to answering it. However, first, you still have not answered Victor’s questions. These are not idle questions. Your answers will form the essential foundation for any meaningful dialogue you can have with us. How can we respect what you have to say if you will not supply the information on which you base your rejection of the Bible’s authority as the accurate words of God?
We have no information that supports what you assert. You must furnish proof if you will make such claims.
As Victor wrote you in a recent letter:
“I ask you to answer the rest of my questions or objections. You are not finished. You have made claims that you did not substantiate with fact. How can I carry on a logical, reasonable conversation with you without your providing facts to back your assertions? You tell me I have false beliefs, that the Bible is untrustworthy because modified, and that there are many Bibles, but you cannot prove so. I cannot simply accept your opinions, whether you quote the Koran or whatever. Give me substance.”
In a previous letter, he asked these questions:
“As for your call to logic, logic necessarily deals with fact. You have made statements that must be backed up with facts (not opinion), if we are to use logic and reason. For example, you say:
‘The Bible in your hands has been modified a lot from the original version.‘
Can you give us proof of your claim? You cannot expect us to simply take your word for it and be logical at the same time, at least not according to our definition of ‘logic.’
You say: ‘There are a lot of bibles already.‘
While we know of many translations – and we use many – there is only one true Bible and only One Truth. If you know of other legitimate ‘God-breathed’ Bibles, please let us know. We are not aware of them.
You say: ‘The Jews and the false (inappropriate) Christians (they are not all inappropriate) have modified the Bible for their subjective reasons.‘
Please give us specific proof of this. You are not logical or reasonable to give us hearsay or opinion or words and opinions of others, like Napoleon, Ghandi, or George Bernard Shaw, expecting us to take their word for it. We are only interested in facts and proof of claims made. Otherwise, we are foolish to believe anything anyone says.
I hope you can appreciate that. After all, isn’t that exactly what you are telling us…that we cannot believe the Bible because it has been changed by men? Are you not a man? Where do you get your information? Can you believe it or depend on it? Do you know for sure? If we cannot believe the Bible, how should we believe you?”
Paul again: The answer in your latest letter is not sufficient. It is not enough to tell us that wherever the Koran says something different than the Bible, the Koran is right. Just because a billion people say Muhammad is the last prophet does not make him so, or right, especially when his teachings go against the teachings of the Bible.
Paul the apostle said this about the preaching of another gospel and “Jesus” than what he preached by revelation from God:
“But even if we, or an angel from Heaven, should preach a gospel to you other than what we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, and I say again just now, if anyone preaches a gospel to you other than what you received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8-9 EMTV).
There is no respect of persons with God. If Muhammad preaches another gospel from the one given by God to Paul, confirmed by many witnesses, Muhammad is accursed before God.
Now, Paul preached this about Jesus Christ and our faith in Him:
“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel” (2 Timothy 2:8 KJV).
“Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection” (Romans 6:4-5 KJV).
Muhammad and the Koran deny Jesus Christ died and was raised from the dead, and that by faith in Him and the taking up of His cross all men are raised up in newness of life. So where do you get your information and confirmation from God that He has changed not only His mind, but also the facts of this case as attested to by many witnesses? Paul was not alone in preaching that Christ died for our sins and was resurrected for our justification. All the other apostles preached the same, as is recorded in the Bible. Prophets in the Old Testament prophesied of that day, and their prophecies were fulfilled. We have experienced the grace of God in Christ confirming their testimonies, which they paid for with their blood that they shed as His martyrs.
They also gave us many warnings in the Bible about false prophets, so it is no surprise that Muhammad, along with all others who think to change God’s testimony of Jesus Christ, is a liar.
Let me tell you very briefly that I know these things are true because God has revealed them to me. In 1978, I, as a Jew, asked the Creator, Whom I had not known or believed in all my life, to reveal the truth to me. At that time He drew me to Jesus Christ, not Muhammad. Jesus Christ spoke to me, not Muhammad. Jesus Christ forgave my sins, not Muhammad. Jesus Christ sent Victor to meet me in Israel, in 1979, to teach me about His ways, not Muhammad.
If Muhammad was the last prophet, why did God speak to me through Jesus Christ, and why did He send me a teacher that did the same? If Muhammad was the last prophet, why are we sent by God to preach Jesus Christ to all people, including Muslims?
Ali’s reply to Paul:
The Koran was announcing:
[2.6-7] “Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.”
I will answer to your question about the argument regarding the changes to the Bible later.
I would like to keep this conversation going with the purpose of better knowledge for us and you. I have told Victor that Jesus is a Truth without any discussion, but he is not the total truth. He only represents a link in a chain of prophets servants of the truth and among them is Muhammad (the last one). I very well know that there are several false prophets and liars, but that does not apply to Muhammad.
We have to get it through our heads that illusion can be in the heart of man. He can see things that do not exist and not see things that do. It is the good God who leads us to discover the right path and without his help we can never reach the Truth. And He alone leads us in the straight Path.
So, ask the good God to help you to be good.
TO KNOW BETTER IS TO BE BETTER MODERATE…………..
We cannot close our eyes….
Ali’s reply to Victor:
Mr Victor, Paul has answered me, but he keeps asking the same question as yours: how can I support my claim about changes in the Bible. I will prepare a combined answer later.
To me, what you have said about Jesus
“The Lord Jesus Christ has appeared to and speaks to us. He has assured us of salvation, of fellowship with Him hereafter, as well as now. He has already given us the down payment of that future, next-world unity and fellowship with Him. You cannot say the same for yourself of Muhammad or Allah.”
Paul on his part has said:
“Let me tell you very briefly that I know these things are true because God has revealed them to me. In 1978, I, as a Jew, asked the Creator, Whom I had not known or believed in all my life, to reveal the truth to me. At that time He drew me to Jesus Christ, not Muhammad. Jesus Christ spoke to me, not Muhammad. Jesus Christ forgave my sins, not Muhammad. Jesus Christ sent Victor to meet me in Israel, in 1979, to teach me about His ways, not Muhammad.”
To me, this vision (what appeared to you) of the Messiah on your part, was it a dream or was it real? Any holy man (and I say man) can preach to you and give you necessary advice in life. How can we say that the Messiah has created Muhammad and the others? God alone is the Creator and the Forgiver of our sins. And there is no other intermediary between man and God in that sense. Muhammad has no power to forgive our sins either. Both of them have the same level of “MESSENGER FROM GOD”.
I want to ask a question here: does Jesus pray? If he does, how can it be if he is a ‘God” or a ‘son of God’ or a ‘manifestation of God’? And for whom does he pray? If he does not, how can we believe the verses from the Bible which confirm that prayer?
I would like to say here that your unfaithfulness to Muhammad is similar to that of the Jews to the Messiah when he appeared. The conclusion goes back to your logic in seeing things: “To say that one religion respects another is to say that panthers respect rabbits and lions respect sheep. You know very well it is so.”
That is the logic that leaves you far from the Truth. I have said that in practice there are a lot of conflicts between the people practicing the different religions, but it does not mean that this is incorrect. If mankind understands well the message of God, we will not have those sometimes bloody conflicts.
“And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32 MKJV).
“Therefore if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed” (John 8:36 MKJV).
You have made many unsubstantiated claims, expecting us to believe you. Unless you give us good reason to believe you, why should we? You avoid and ignore our questions asking you to give us substance. That is neither logical nor reasonable. We cannot continue this way if we do not wish to waste time.
There are many truths spoken in the Koran, one of those being what you just quoted. Those who are determined from above to not believe will not believe, no matter what you say to them. Are you one of those?
You write, “We have to get it through our heads that illusion can be in the heart of man. He can see things that do not exist and not see things that do. It is the good God who leads us to discover the right path and without his help we can never reach the Truth. And He alone leads us in the straight Path.”
It is true that “illusion can be in the heart of man,” and men have false notions and perceptions. We know that, and the Bible says so:
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? I Jehovah search the heart, I try the reins, even to give to each man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings” (Jeremiah 17:9-10 MKJV).
Jesus Christ has delivered us from that condition. Unless you have experienced Jesus Christ’s salvation by a new birth, you are still in that condition, stumbling in darkness.
You continue to speak of a search for truth. You have ignored and disbelieved my declaration to you that we have found the Truth. If you lost something and found it, why would you continue to search for it? Or if you never had it, but finally discovered it, why would you continue to look for it, as though you had not found it? But you do not believe that one can actually find the Truth in this world and life. That is because you have never known the Truth, Who is Jesus Christ, the Messiah not only of the Jews but of all mankind. We have found the Truth, even as one of His chosen disciples, Philip, found Him:
John 1:45-49 MKJV
(45) Philip found Nathanael and said to him, We have found Him of Whom Moses wrote in the Law and the Prophets, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
(46) And Nathanael said to him, Can there be any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip said to him, Come and see.
(47) Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him and said of him, Behold an Israelite indeed in whom is no guile!
(48) Nathanael said to Him, From where do You know me? Jesus answered and said to him, Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.
(49) Nathanael answered and said to Him, Rabbi, You are the Son of God. You are the King of Israel!
The Lord Jesus Christ has appeared and revealed Himself to us, Ali. God has spoken directly to us. We know Him personally. Read Victor Hafichuk’s Testimony. We are not deluded. My life has been transformed, set free, turned around, redeemed. I have life since Jesus Christ. I did not have life before. You cannot tell me that Allah or Muhammad has spoken to you.
Jesus is not “some” truth or “a” truth. He is THE Truth, and those who have told you otherwise speak against Him and therefore against the Truth. You are not listening to us because you come to us with a social, cultural, religious mindset placed there by entities contrary to the Lord Jesus Christ, Almighty God. We were once in darkness too, but after God drew us to Himself through Jesus Christ, by Whom we received repentance and forgiveness of our sins and wrong thoughts about Him, we began to walk His way – the path of Truth.
You write, “Believe me, I want that you and I together discover the truth in this world full of controversies. To me, through this conversation, I want to help you discover my approach to truth.”
Yes, this world is full of controversies, and Islam is a great portion of it, along with the Christian religion, Judaism and so much more. But now I say to you that I want that you discover the truth. You speak of an approach to truth but an approach lasts only so long and eventually is not good enough. You must become one with the truth. We have become one with Him.
Ali, what you have heard about the Bible is false, and you refuse to try to prove it for fear of offending me and also because you cannot do it. We have been communicating with the Author of the Bible, and He has not permitted men to tamper with It, except for some tiny matters of insignificance and of no consequence to those who know Him. They have their senses exercised to know the difference between good and evil.
Concerning the West, Bush, democracies, American influence, diet, and social and spiritual decadence, Christianity, religion, and all those things, we, whom God has taken from this world, have nothing to do with those things. We do not approve of or agree with the vile lifestyles and philosophies and religions of this world, no matter what they are. We are above those things. You will know it.
As for Islam, it is great error. This we know by God Himself. After all, if He does not know, who does? And He is the Final Authority. We have it from His Mouth. We do not put trust in man. We dare not put trust even in ourselves. Have you not yourself said that we can be deceived because of indoctrinations of men and preconceived notions? You are right.
We know this, but you don’t, though you say it. One cannot know it until he is fulfilled in the one and only Savior of the world. There is no agreement whatsoever between Muhammad and Jesus Christ, I solemnly assure you. I know you don’t like to hear this, but it is very true. One day, Muhammad will bow the knee to Jesus and confess Him as Lord, realizing Jesus died on the cross for his sins to save him. He will be very thankful. Some day you too will do the same and also be thankful. We are.
We have many people hating and opposing us who call themselves Christians because we speak against their teachings, many, if not most, of which are false teachings. For example (you may appreciate this one), we teach that there is only one God, not three. They hate us for it.
The many things of which you speak we have already written about in English on our site. You would do well to be able to read them, Ali.
Jesus said, “And you shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free.” He has kept His Word to us. We are free, and we write to you and to the whole world because we want everyone to be free. One day they will be, but not through Islam or Catholicism or democracy or any man’s government or religion. It will be because Jesus Christ intervenes and stops man from destroying himself. As He said:
“And unless those days should be shortened, no flesh would be saved. But for the elect’s sake, those days shall be shortened” (Matthew 24:22 MKJV).
You ask, “To me, this vision (what appeared to you) of the Messiah on your part, was it a dream or was it real?”
If you refer to my dream of 1972, He appeared to me in a dream (which was very real) and has, since that time, appeared to me by vision on several occasions.
You ask, “How can we say that the Messiah has created Muhammad and the others? God alone is the Creator and the Forgiver of our sins.”
The greatest truth to all mankind that I know of (yet hidden to most) is this:
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV).
The prophet Isaiah spoke these words:
“For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. There is no end of the increase of His government and peace on the throne of David, and on His Kingdom, to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on, even forever. The zeal of Jehovah of Hosts will do this” (Isaiah 9:6-7 MKJV).
This was written of Jesus Christ. God came to this world in the Person of Jesus Christ. He appeared as a man and lived among us in Israel. He came to lay down His life and take it up again, to demonstrate that He was God. No other man before or after was or is able to do that, being mere man and not God. The Jews killed Him because He forgave sins. They too said, “Nobody but God can forgive sin.” They did not believe. Believing, and repenting of our sins, He has revealed Himself to us and changed us. “Messiah” means, “the Anointed One.”
You say, “Muhammad has no power to forgive our sins either.”
You are absolutely right. That is the big difference between Muhammad and Jesus Christ – Jesus alone can forgive sins because He is God. Would you like to have your sins forgiven, Ali? You can (Lord willing). Guilt and confusion can be instantly removed, your search ended. You can start a new life (Lord willing) and be assured of your salvation and acceptance with God. We have that new life and assurance because our sins are forgiven, and we have been given a new life so as to not sin any more.
You ask, “I want to ask a question here: does Jesus pray? If he does, how can it be if he is a ‘God’ or a ‘son of God’ or a ‘manifestation of God’? And for whom does he pray? If he does not, how can we believe the verses from the Bible which confirm that prayer?”
God manifested Himself as a man, and accomplished two things: He demonstrated how we should live – how a son of God should and does live, and He sowed His life to death and brought it up again to give us His Spirit so that we might have that life in God. As He said:
“Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it brings forth much fruit” (John 12:24 MKJV).
God reached down to us in Jesus Christ to redeem us from this realm of death. Without Him, we are all dead, though we walk and speak and think. I was dead and now I am alive because He birthed me from above. He saved me from my sins, forgiving my offences against Him, and gave me a new heart and a new mind to serve Him as He wills and not as I thought I should.
Man has no ability to please God. He really has not even the true desire to please God. Sometimes he thinks he does but when God reveals Himself to man, man knows that he has been at enmity with God. Jesus Christ alone can change that, because only God can, and He is God.
As a manifest example of man, Jesus did all those things you mention to demonstrate the way man ought to live and relate to God. Yes, prayer was part of that life. “Son of God” does not mean that God had a wife, and from that wife, a Son – no. “Son of God,” means the “manifestation of God.”
Think of it this way, Ali. Your words are an expression of you, your mind and heart. In essence, they are you. If you could give body to those words and make them visible, they would be you. That is what God did as Jesus Christ. He is known as “The Word.” That is what is recorded in Scripture, and that is what you can, must, and will believe, when He decides it is your turn for His mercy and grace, whether in this life or another.
You say, “I would like to say here that your unfaithfulness to Muhammad is similar to that of the Jews to the Messiah when he appeared.”
There is only one faithfulness that really counts and that is to God. If I am faithful to God, I will do right by Him and my fellow man. I owe no allegiance to any man. Furthermore, man is entirely incapable of being faithful to God and that is why Jesus Christ came to save us, Ali. He gave me faithfulness by a new nature. The old Victor died decades ago. The new one lives, grows, learns, and rejoices in God, his Savior. By the way, Allah is not God and Jesus Christ is not Allah.
You cannot compare Muhammad and Jesus Christ. There is no comparison whatsoever, certainly not in terms of what they taught or stood for. One is the Creator, the other, one of His creatures, no different than you or I.
You write: “I have said that in practice there are a lot of conflicts between the people practicing the different religions, but it does not mean that this is incorrect.”
If you deny that Jesus Christ is Lord and God of all, that He died for your sins, then you cannot be saved; you can have no part with God, and you will die in your sins. You are taught that by believing Muhammad and the Koran you have favor with God. One is true and one is false. How do you mix night and day or fire and water, truth and error? You can’t.
Finally, you say, “If mankind understands well the message of God, we will not have those sometimes bloody conflicts.”
That is very true. However, there is much more than a mere message involved, Ali. Our natures must be changed from evil to good. Islam and Christianity cannot do that for us. Only Jesus Christ can. He is the One and Only solution. Only God can save man from himself. I had no idea of this fact until I was 27.
Your last message is loaded with the sentiments of a true believer in Jesus as Lord. The way of seeing things is profound (deep). Your belief is apparently based on a philosophy which is well founded and justified.
But how can you answer the following questions:
– How can a Lord (Creator) be killed?!!!!! A Lord who would be dead!!
-How can you base your belief on a “dream”? One can dream about Mohammed too, and it has happened to several Muslim brothers, but those dreams were a breath of faith forward and did not constitute the basis for a belief.
I know that the world of dreams is complicated, but it cannot be compared to the real conscience.
-It is good to say that you are not with the wars of Bush and the others….., but I don’t know if you knew that Mr Bush himself has said that ‘God has spoken to him and is leading his steps’….!!!!?? Bush also said that he wanted to protect Israel… That dogma, which makes armed troops move to blindly bombard children and women before the men, is undoubtedly based on a false belief.
The philosophy and the sentiment of faith can also be an illusion, if man does not base his ideas and his beliefs on the conscience of good and evil and does not keep in mind that only the good God can save him and guide him on the right path. In Islam, we have respect for the sensation of faith combined with the work of the brain. The head to think and the heart for the sense of good and evil.
– To say that you have succeeded in coming out of darkness and discover truth is relative. As far as I am concerned, you still need to make a step forward.
I started to read the Bible in depth and I have started to find a few contradictions and things that have been tampered with. A complete answer will be delivered later.
You ask, “How can a Lord (Creator) be killed?!!!!! A Lord who would be dead!!”
You will recall (if not, please refer back to) what I said about how God formed a body for His Word (speech, the expression of His Substance and Nature) and thus manifested Himself to this world and to our physical senses that operate in this realm. It was that Manifested Example Person that was put to death and raised up again.
God made an exact image of Himself:
“God, Who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, Whom He has appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds, Who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the word of His power, through Himself cleansing of our sins, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high, being made so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they” (Hebrews 1:1-4 MKJV).
And after His resurrection from the dead, He appeared to many – one of those being a beloved disciple, John, and here is what Jesus said to him:
“I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8 MKJV).
John referred to Him thus: “Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him Who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood” (Revelation 1:5 MKJV).
John testified: “And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me, Do not fear, I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:17-18 MKJV).
This same Resurrected Lord speaks to us, Ali. He lives. And He lives in us here and now, having turned us from our destructives, and from the powers of death and Hell.
You ask, “How can you base your belief on a ‘dream’?”
One cannot base one’s belief solely on a dream, at least not just any dream. There are two kinds of dreams – dreams that come from God and dreams that come from one’s self or from other spiritual sources. I had dreamed all my life, as all people do, but when Jesus Christ came to me by dream, I knew it was Him and that it was no ordinary dream.
My belief is based on far more than a dream. God opened my mind to understand the Scriptures and believe Them. His Spirit moved upon me to give me that understanding. It was not my dreaming or my own intellectual understanding, not at all. Truly, the most intelligent and educated men in the world cannot comprehend these things. It is strictly a gift. As Jesus said:
“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25 MKJV).
Ali, President Bush is not a true Christian. I believe (from much of what I have heard) that he believes he is a Christian, but he is not, and only true Christians can know this. There are very few true Christians.
George is a convert through Billy Graham, a false Christian evangelist who is highly respected in Christendom, perhaps more than any other man other than, maybe, the pope. In God’s sight (and that of true Christians), Billy Graham is one of the greatest false prophets in Christendom that has ever lived. He is antiChrist. You may read what we have to say about him on our site, if you wish to know more, but he is not an issue to us here and now.
Billy Graham and President Bush both praise the pope. The pope is likely the greatest antiChrist of all on earth. He presumes to be the sole vicar or representative of Jesus Christ, and claims both temporal and spiritual authority over all men. He is nothing of the kind. The Catholic Church has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, except to use His Name for their wicked purposes. Many of them may be sincere in deception, but they are wrong.
You say, “The philosophy and the sentiment of faith can also be an illusion, if man does not base his ideas and his beliefs on the conscience of good and evil and does not keep in mind that only the good God can save him and guide him on the right path.”
You are right to say that “the sentiment of faith can also be an illusion.” I have just given you examples of such. There are 1.3 billion Catholics, for example, who are deceived. There are many hundred millions of other nominal Christians who are deceived. There are 1.3 billion or more Muslims who are deceived, all thinking to have true faith in God, as you do.
Each of these presumes to “base his ideas and his beliefs on the conscience of good and evil,” as you put it. We do battle (as you can see on our site) every day with so-called Christian believers who believe they are good and faithful to God and we are false prophets. Jesus said this:
“They are going to throw you out of the meeting places. There will even come a time when anyone who kills you will think he’s doing God a favor” (John 16:2 MSG).
Many of them – nominal Christians, Jews, Muslims and others – will also declare, as you say, that “only the good God can save him and guide him on the right path.”
The false faith parades itself as true and often believes and declares itself to be true, and many are deceived, Ali. Jesus said there would be very few when He came. It is not billions or millions or hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands. We find very, very few who have met God and who walk with Him. We are here to bring the message to the world that it is deceived and must turn to the Living God, not a historical God, not a philosophical God, or a God of religion, but to the Living God of Heaven and earth, the Creator of all things, the Real, Living God – the Lord Jesus Christ is He, even as the prophets and apostles of the Scriptures boldly declared in their days.
They laid down their lives to get that message out. We lay down our lives to get that message out. All true believers in Jesus Christ will boldly declare that He is Lord, knowing Him personally, because He lives in them, as He does in us.
Note: True believers do not take lives (kill) to put forth their message. They give their lives; false Christians do not do that; neither do Muslims or any other group or religion. If they give their lives, they lose them because they do not give them for Jesus Christ’s sake. If one gives his or her life for Jesus Christ’s sake, it is returned to that person multiplied. He promised so, and has done so for us personally.
You say, “The head to think and the heart for the sense of good and evil.”
Yes, however, the Bible clearly teaches that it is impossible for man to think clearly or to know the difference between good and evil without a new heart. I know I could not tell the difference and I know you can’t, George Bush can’t, Billy Graham can’t, the pope can’t, Muhammad couldn’t, the apostles and prophets couldn’t before they were turned to Him, nor can any man or woman I have ever known. Jeremiah the prophet said:
“The heart is hopelessly dark and deceitful, a puzzle that no one can figure out. But I, GOD, search the heart and examine the mind. I get to the heart of the human. I get to the root of things. I treat them as they really are, not as they pretend to be” (Jeremiah 17:9-10 MSG).
Salvation is strictly a work of grace, as the apostle Paul said:
“Then He picked us up and set us down in highest Heaven in company with Jesus, our Messiah. Now God has us where He wants us, with all the time in this world and the next to shower grace and kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. Saving is all His idea, and all His work. All we do is trust Him enough to let Him do it. It’s God’s gift from start to finish! We don’t play the major role. If we did, we’d probably go around bragging that we’d done the whole thing! No, we neither make nor save ourselves. God does both the making and saving. He creates each of us by Christ Jesus to join Him in the work He does, the good work He has gotten ready for us to do, work we had better be doing. But don’t take any of this for granted. It was only yesterday that you outsiders to God’s ways had no idea of any of this, didn’t know the first thing about the way God works, hadn’t the faintest idea of Christ” (Ephesians 2:6-12 MSG).
You say, “To say that you have succeeded in coming out of darkness and discover truth is relative. As far as I am concerned, you still need to make a step forward.”
It is only relative to those who have not entered the Light of men, Jesus Christ:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it” (John 1:1-5 MKJV).
“If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin” (1 John 1:6-7 MKJV).
Ali, I solemnly declare to you that I have taken all three necessary steps forward to come to the Light, the Truth, Jesus Christ. He has done it. He has brought me here.
I await those perceived contradictions in the Bible. Many have thought to find them, only to be shown otherwise. We have had to deal with many. Remember again what Jesus said:
“I thank You, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25 MKJV).
Another translation puts it thus:
“At that moment Jesus said: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that You hid all this from wise and educated people and showed it to ordinary people” (Matthew 11:25 CEV).
Man will never enter God’s Kingdom by cleverness or much education. That would make it a very unfair “playing field” for those many without the advantages others have. God has made the Truth available to even fools and illiterates who turn to Him. The apostle Paul said this:
“Human wisdom is so tinny, so impotent, next to the seeming absurdity of God. Human strength can’t begin to compete with God’s ‘weakness.’ Take a good look, friends, at who you were when you got called into this life. I don’t see many of ‘the brightest and the best’ among you, not many influential, not many from high-society families. Isn’t it obvious that God deliberately chose men and women that the culture overlooks and exploits and abuses, chose these ‘nobodies’ to expose the hollow pretensions of the ‘somebodies’? That makes it quite clear that none of you can get by with blowing your own horn before God. Everything that we have–right thinking and right living, a clean slate and a fresh start–comes from God by way of Jesus Christ. That’s why we have the saying, ‘If you’re going to blow a horn, blow a trumpet for God’” (1 Corinthians 1:25-31 MSG).
May God bless your reading, Ali, and open your heart to Him.
How can you say that the true good God had the following characteristics: Jesus was dressed with robes, and all royal attire. He had a neat beard, not short, not long, and His hair was not long, as usually depicted. He was taller than the man with Him.
Then the characteristics of a human: The man with him also was distinctly Jewish, but not universal as was the Lord Jesus. He too had the same kind of hair and beard, and was dressed in royal clothing. I did not know who the man was. As he walked, he kept focused on the face of Jesus.
It is of course a false belief to compare the characteristics of a Lord with those of a human. It is FALSE, Mr Victor, to say that God can have one image or another. NO MATTER WHAT IMAGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, THE LORD GOD WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM IT. God does not have an image that can be perceived by our conscience. It is certain that the Creator of the heavens, the earths, the seas, the stars, of all things does not have an image comparable to that of humans. Your faith in that image in your dream leaves you far away from the Truth. At this stage, you can say that it was an image out of your heart or out of your faith…., but how have you seen (with your heart of faith) the image of the Lord next to a human…?!
We cannot believe that “God made an exact image of Himself” for the simple reason that God does not have an image that can be grasped by our conscience. I very well know that: “Any pictures I have seen of the Lord Jesus in homes or churches or anywhere, no matter how skilled the artists, are abominable compared to the Reality. They are a lie.” Yes, that is correct.
I repeat too that all representation of the God, even the one in your dream is a false representation of Him.
We can have a sense and faith of the presence of God, but it is false to say that you have seen Him.
You might have seen the prophet Jesus (in your dream), but you had no chance of seeing the image of the Lord God. Those readings of a dream or of such a consideration of the good God are out of line.
On the other hand, it is right to say that Graham and his student Bush and his other students are in a false belief. It is also interesting to say that the majority of the Christians are on the wrong path. And I can also confirm that the majority of Muslims are on the wrong path too. But it does not prevent us from saying that the belief in Muhammad and his message coming from the true Lord ALLAH is the only belief that corrects the different mistakes in your belief.
I estimate that you are close to the Truth, but you still have to take a step forward to find it. I would advise that you don’t miss the opportunity to discover it.
I am ready to help you discover it. I will start with inviting you to this walk towards the truth: www.harunyahya.com
You write: “It is of course a false belief to compare the characteristics of a Lord with those of a human. It is FALSE, Mr Victor, to say that God can have one image or another. NO MATTER WHAT IMAGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, THE LORD GOD WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM IT. God does not have an image that can be perceived by our conscience. It is certain that the Creator of the heavens, the earths, the seas, the stars, of all things does not have an image comparable to that of humans. Your faith in that image in your dream leaves you far away from the Truth. At this stage, you can say that it was an image out of your heart or out of your faith…., but how have you seen (with your heart of faith) the image of the Lord next to a human…?!”
God can manifest Himself in any way it pleases Him, and who is man to even begin to judge Him as to what He can or cannot do, will or will not do? Who are you to judge Him, Ali? You are as I am, merely one of His myriad creatures.
He appeared to Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah and others, and finally gave Himself a body and appeared to mankind, through His chosen people, the Jews, to demonstrate the will of God to us, as to how we ought to conduct ourselves. He gave us the Perfect Example.
It is so true that we should not make any images of God or of anything in the context of worshipping God, other than what He declares, commands and ordains (the Second Commandment of Moses). It is not necessarily false to say that God can and does express or manifest Himself in some way. By what authority or on what grounds do you make those presumptuous statements?
(Again, I ask you to answer. You have continually avoided giving me true credentials, or any credentials for that matter. You have only given me opinion. Concerning God, let me solemnly tell you that we are not entitled to our opinions.)
Muhammad was supposed to have had a vision and heard a voice in a cave. He was supposedly attacked by the presence he encountered there and was afraid that a demon had taken possession of him. His wife tried to comfort him and to dispel this notion. After consulting with her cousin, who was apparently familiar with some of the Scriptures, she told Muhammad that it was the angel Gabriel, sent by God, Who was calling him to be His prophet. If you honestly and soberly consider, Islam, according to Islam’s own historical record, began with the mere opinion of a woman who was not even present for the alleged epiphany, in which an entity was supposed to have spoken or revealed itself to Muhammad. Is that not so?
Think about it: Who was she to decide, not even having been there? Who was her cousin to counsel her on the basis of his third hand knowledge? Even if they had been there, who were they to decide or conjecture what is of God and what is not? They also were mere human beings. The alleged entity speaking to Muhammad did not even identify or name itself to him.
I can tell you this: If God or an angel from God had spoken to Muhammad, He would have identified Himself; Muhammad would have known, but he did not; otherwise, he would not have had to be told by his wife. Your whole religion is based on the word of a woman who took matters into her own hands, who was not even first witness on the scene. And you all believed her, starting with Muhammad! Amazing, is it not, Ali?
While you cannot tell me how you are justified in making such statements, I can tell you why you make them – you have not met God directly, and therefore do not know Him. That is the only way we can truly know anything for sure. Why should I believe you? You are but a man. Why should you believe me? I am but a man. Why should we believe any man, no matter what he may call himself or claim he has seen or heard? To believe man concerning God is sheer folly, Ali, plain and simple. Muhammad was not God or an angel of God. You yourself allow that, as do all Muslims that I am aware. Therefore he was but a man like you and me, no matter his claims. Only God Himself can settle a matter for a man.
But I have met and know God. I speak to Him and He speaks to me. Therefore, while I am qualified and commissioned by the Highest Authority in all of creation to represent Him as He is, you are far from that place or from having that ability. In fact, in that you find fault and argue with me, you are opposing Him. You, Ali, should therefore stop and soberly consider. You are not speaking to a religious fool or heretic, of which there are many, but to a true representative of God, Who is the Lord Jesus Christ, contrary to your doctrines of men, which are erroneous and false.
Who said anything about God being perceived by my conscience? You presume things that I have not said and misinterpret nearly everything I say. While I cannot perceive Him, He is very able to reveal Himself to a rock, giving that rock the ability to perceive Him. I claim no special powers or virtues over any other man but I do declare that He has revealed Himself to me.
Speaking of rocks, five times each day you bow in the direction of a physical place and pay homage to a black rock in Mecca, do you not? You would argue, likely, that you pay no homage to a place or rock, but you cannot deny it in truth. God did not ordain that you should partake in such idolatry, Ali. It is abomination to Him.
And you cannot judge me in this matter of what is valid and what is not valid in my experience because you have no qualifications to do so, there being only one qualification, that being that He appears to you and reveals the Truth to you. Should He do so, you will become my friend and co-worker and not my antagonist.
Again, as I have told you more than once (and you are incapable of hearing), my faith is in no image or object or creature of any kind, not even my dream. Neither is my faith in three gods. It is in the One Unseen God, Who has revealed Himself in part to me, imparting Himself to me, birthing me from above to trust, love, obey, and worship Him in spirit and in truth. He has proven Himself worthy and faithful to His Word, as His beloved disciple declared:
“But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His Name, who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God” (John 1:12-13 MKJV).
Therefore, I am not alone in this experience. Of Jesus Christ, John also said:
“And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth” (John 1:14 MKJV).
And John plainly declared where you stand at this very moment, Ali:
“The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him” (John 3:35-36 MKJV).
Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews, also could not understand these things. He and Jesus had this conversation:
John 3:1-21 MKJV
(1) And there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
(2) He came to Jesus by night and said to Him, Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no man can do these miracles which You do unless God is with him.
(3) Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.
(4) Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb and be born?
(5) Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
(6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(7) Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.
(8) The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.
(9) Nicodemus answered and said to Him, How can these things be?
(10) Jesus answered and said to him, Are you the teacher of Israel and do not know these things?
(11) Truly, truly, I say to you, We speak what we know and testify what we have seen. And you do not receive our witness.
(12) If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how shall you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
(13) And no one has ascended up to Heaven except He Who came down from Heaven, the Son of Man Who is in Heaven.
(14) But even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
(15) so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(16) For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
(17) For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.
(18) He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.
(19) And this is the condemnation, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil.
(20) For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
(21) But he who practices truth comes to the Light so that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
You say, “On the other hand, it is right to say that Graham and his student Bush and his other students are in a false belief. It is also interesting to say that the majority of the Christians are on the wrong path.”
I have the right to say what I say about them, personally knowing and being informed by the One Whom they profess to worship. You do not have that right because, though your opinion happens to be true, you truly do not know by substance and godly revelation. You have only been taught by men to believe so but you have no authority to speak as you do, whereas I have. You go on to say:
“And I can also confirm that the majority of Muslims are on the wrong path too.”
That is another true opinion, but not quite. How about all Muslims, Ali? I am here to tell you that they are all in error (you included, of course), having made a weed of a tree by calling Jesus Christ a mere prophet when He is God Himself. But again, how can you judge other Muslims, saying they are on the wrong path, when you don’t know the truth yourself?
You continue: “But it does not prevent us from saying that the belief in Muhammad and his message coming from the true Lord ALLAH is the only belief that corrects the different mistakes in your belief.”
True, it does not prevent you, but you are wrong all the same. You continue:
“I estimate that you are close to the Truth, but you still have to take a step forward to find it. I would advise that you don’t miss the opportunity to discover it. I am ready to help you discover it.”
Friend, you do not know whereof you speak. You are the one in darkness and danger, and I am here to tell you so and to offer you the gift of Life, if you are willing to receive it, though it will not be in my power to enable you to receive it. Only the Creator will determine what He will do with you. All things are in His hands.
I remind you after several times – you have not substantiated your claims that there are many Bibles and many changes in It. The truth is that you cannot do so. Is that not so, Ali? You have simply repeated a lie oft told by Muslims and so many others around the world over the ages, a lie you have ignorantly swallowed and foolishly repeat. You thus destroy yourself (or keep yourself in destruction). You need to repent, Ali.
Are you now about to categorize me into the “House of War,” Ali? While you may choose to judge me and be my enemy, justifying yourself as you deem me to be stubborn, foolish, and unbelieving, I remain the truest of friends to you, not by any ability or virtue of my own, but out of truth and sure knowledge and understanding in Jesus Christ, my Lord and yours.
You need to take off your shoes; you have stepped on holy ground.
In and by Him,
I tell you in one word: my congratulations for gaining the Heavens the other day. Your walks with the God will necessarily guarantee you the heavens, that is the normal ending, isn’t it?!!!!
Moreover, you can also judge who is in Heaven and who is in Hell…….
You have a good position at the good God’s place……!!!
That is my conclusion to your last message.
I have only one word to add to this, I will never consider you as an enemy. Until this very moment you are a friend in spite of these differences.
The complete answer will be there in 3 days, Lord willing.
Ali’s “complete answer”:
In my reading of the Bible, I am really impressed. As a culture, there is an interest; in spite of the existence of some unnecessary verses, I see that it is interesting to read the Scriptures that preceded the Holy Koran. I have tried to be careful as even in this reading and critical (which explains the importance of the reading period). These Scriptures are from sound origin, we Muslims believe that. But, unfortunately throughout history the hand of man has come in to falsify… I am not a specialist in comparing religions, but I tried to discern a few obvious lacks.
1/ Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
How would the Great God, the Almighty, the Most High, the Eternal and the Creator get tired and would therefore need a ‘rest’. How can that be?!! It is a big mistake that touches the sense of respect and worship given to the Good God… If the true Lord (rests) during a thousandth of a second (or less), then it is over (!!!). I don’t believe the situation of the universe…! Can the Master of the universe have a rest or need to rest?!!!
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Here is a passage that compares the walk of God to that of just any human. Beware: He is a Lord! The first necessary condition and insufficient for such a comparison is the homogeneity in physical terms of the 2 things compared…!
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Here is the false belief and the vision of the woman on your side! She is the cause of all the sins of man. She is the cause of his exclusion from paradise. Consequently, the vision of the woman would eternally be inferior. But on the other hand, you condemn the Koran because it allows the man, in extreme cases, to beat his wife. This situation (to beat) is not a law as you think. Compare the 2 visions very well?!!!! And I know that in the history of the Church, meetings have been held to determine the nature of the woman (!!!) and her relationship with the man (…!!).
2/ The genealogy trees presented by several verses of the Bible (OT or NT) are too strange. They have no use in terms of commandment, except in rare cases. It might be for the familial purposes of a few rabbis. Of course, we can quote a few examples…(1 Numbers, 2Numbers, Luke, Matthew…….) Even the quote about the ancestors of Jesus was different in Luke and Matthew. How can an individual (Jesus) who is without ancestors, have a chain of almost 60?!
3/ We can notice the Israelites and their behaviours in Judges. I would like to insist on the fact that the blind belief in the notion of a ‘chosen people’ of the children of Israel represents a catastrophe for humankind. The various wars in the world are led by Jewish senators. They have no practical faithful belief in the good God. Their true god is gold and silver and they want that god to become everybody’s god (K. Marx). The main TV stations with violence and nakedness are based on financing that are essentially Jewish. Even in psychotherapy, the Jew Mr S. Freud wants to show us with his theory that man is a set of feelings (of peace and violence) of sexual origin!
4/ I noticed in a few biblical texts a description more or less explicit of man-woman relationship!! Since Adam and Eve it is repeated. Adam knew Eve (3 or 4 times) in Genesis 4,5. A lot of other stories that are there exclusively to expose some sexual relationships – lawful and unlawful – have been introduced in the Bible (here is an example: Genesis 38).
Gen 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.
Gen 38:16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
Gen 38:17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it?
Gen 38:18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him.
Gen 38:19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.
Gen 38:20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman’s hand: but he found her not.
Gen 38:21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place.
Gen 38:22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place.
Gen 38:23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.
Gen 38:24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
Gen 38:25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.
Gen 38:26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
Gen 38:27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.
How could a sound reference coming from the Lord of the universe contain this kind of story? The goal of these Scriptures (original) was to guide people on the right path. Does this story have any use in your faith. Can you read these passages from the Bible with your children? For me, no, I cannot read this type of falsified stories with children under age…. On the other hand, with the Holy Koran, there are no problems in reading different verses. I know that in a few versions, the Bible has caused problems of that kind for a few countries (Britain, South Africa).
You only need these remarks to demonstrate the existence of falsification. We can also add another problem concerning the origins – the historical collected manuscripts – of the biblical texts.
Now, concerning your last message:
Jesus- the prophet – (peace be on him) is a symbol of eternal peace and of a sentiment of friendship even towards the enemies. But you, according to your speech (and this is a general remark for all the Jews), behave in a way that is very far from that peace. You sow hatred against the ones who do not believe and applaud to your dreams. In your last message you said: And you cannot judge me in this matter of what is valid and what is not valid in my experience because you have no qualifications to do so, there being only one qualification, that being that He appears to you and reveals the Truth to you. Should He do so, you will become my friend and co-worker and not my antagonist.
And you go on saying: I have the right to say what I say about them, personally knowing and being informed by the One Whom they profess to worship. You do not have that right because, though your opinion happens to be true, you truly do not know by substance and godly revelation. You have only been taught by men to believe so but you have no authority to speak as you do, whereas I have.
Based on what qualifications do you speak? What blind superiority sentiment do you have? I refuse to speak to me like that! I tell you that you can qualify me, but you can never qualify the master of humankind Muhammad (on him be the peace and the godly blessings). He is my master and your master sent by the Great master of the universe : our good God : Allah. I am not authorized to qualify the prophet Jesus or Moses or another. I judge Graham (on this occasion, in spite of his lacks, his speech was more reasonable than yours (see his book: Peace with Allah)), Bush, Victor, Paul, etc…. You have said a lot in your speech: we are all humans! And I add we are ordinary humans.
On the other hand, you have said: He appeared to Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah and others. The names mentioned here are those of prophets. Are you also a prophet?!! You go on saying: But I have met and know God. I speak to Him and He speaks to me. Therefore, while I am qualified and commissioned by the Highest Authority in all of creation to represent Him as He is, you are far from that place or ability.
I am not forced to believe you. I tell you that those words are myths and are of no value to me. You have a blind superiority behaviour. I have all the ability to give the love of my Lord Allah who is your Lord but you refuse that truth and continually make up lies; As a true representative of God. Do you consider yourself to be an angel or a prophet!? The myth of the ‘chosen people’ and of ‘the promised land’ in your heads keeps harassing others. You, with that behaviour (of blind superiority), refuse Christians and Muslims. The others – other than Jews – according to you are inferior peoples, who are in the service of you and have to applaud when you tell your dreams. You can read the Talmudist texts and/or the protocols of the wise men of Zion. Or if you want, ‘Mein Kampf’ by Hitler. All the deeds of the Jews, even their sins, represent acts granted by the Lord. Can you be a democrat with such a mentality?!!! You ignore others and you place your person as indisputable judge!!!
Now, why this fabricated story about our belief being based simply on one woman’s opinion: Islam, according to Islam’s own historical record, began with the mere opinion of a woman who was not even present for the alleged epiphany, in which an entity was supposed to have spoken or revealed itself to Muhammad. Based on what historical records are you talking? Muhammad saw the angel Gabriel, but he did not recognize him because it was the first time that he appeared to him. Islam never bases itself on a simple opinion, but on the good preparation of the Messenger Muhammad. He was a good person before he was sent (his behaviours were noble among people). Let’s go deeper, in our belief, we Muslims, Muhammad (Peace be on him) is only a messenger chosen by the good God, and he transfers the Message in an exact way. Our relationship with the good God Creator happens via his words: the Koran. The Holy Koran is the secret of the relationship between us and our good God and not Muhammad. We have known Muhammad through the Koran, not the other way around. The Koranic texts are so convincing and sound. Consequently, the story you told only represents superficial acts that do not make any sense in our faith. Open your eyes, dear sir, to see things in their actual sizes.
Convergences between the biblical and koranic commandments:
Indeed, the Fatihah – which is the first chapter of the Koran – starts with a praise addressed to God:
[1.1] All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
[1.2] The Beneficent, the Merciful.
[1.3] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1.4] Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.
[1.5] Keep us on the right path.
[1.6] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.
The Shema in the Deuteronomy Book (6, 4-5), a central element of the Old Testament and of the Jewish liturgy, says:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
In the same way, in the New Testament, when Jesus-Christ, the Messiah (peace be on him), is asked about the greatest of the commandments, and he answers:
Matthew 22:34-40 MKJV
(34) But hearing that He had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees were gathered together.
(35) Then one of them, a lawyer, asked, tempting Him and saying,
(36) Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
(37) Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
(38) This is the first and great commandment.
(39) And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
(40) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
At the end of this message, I assume there was a certain interest that was gained in this conversation. You have your opinions, I have my opinions. I know very well that we have a lot of differences. The goal, truth be told, is not hatred or negative feelings towards you. But I show the Truth as I see it. I respect all opinions and strongly maintain my right to answer.
Ali, you are not an honest man. You say the Bible has been corrupted, yet when asked for proof, you bring forth nothing but your opinion, in which even you admit that you are not a “specialist.” You have not provided one single verified instance of tampering, while you boldly assert there is so much as to make the Bible unreliable. You continue to make that assertion, I continue to ask you to back it up, but you continue to produce nothing for proof. All you have done is demonstrate that you do not have a clue about what God thinks or does, which is what the Bible and we have said of you:
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, or your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9 BBE).
Your reasonings are not even acceptable to men, much less to God. If Adam was in sin by following his wife, how does that make his excuse of blaming his wife justified? You are wrong to attribute that to the Bible or us.
Because God rested after creating does not mean He stopped being God, fully omniscient and omnipotent. Neither does it mean He was tired. It simply means He accomplished what He set out to do. You speak in gross darkness and ignorance. You, a mere foolish creature, think you can understand God but you don’t even understand yourself.
While you complain about others tampering with the Scriptures, we say to you: “Just who are you to criticize and dismiss the Scriptures based on something unproven, coming out of your own corrupt mind? Is not your very real tampering evil, a wicked companion to your false accusations? Are you not also a hypocrite for accusing others of what you do to the Scriptures?”
You are offended that the Bible records that Judah went in to a woman posing as a prostitute. You are offended by the Word of God, and He is offended with you. He and His Book do not hide the sins of men, even righteous men of God. God will have reality, not the fiction of the Koran about the non-existent righteousness of man, namely Muhammad and all those who follow him.
You say you wish to protect your children from hearing about wrongdoing. Do you read to them about how Muhammad took his son’s wife to be his own wife? Are your sons, if you have any, now afraid that you may take their wives? That is sin according to the Law of Moses:
“You may not have sex relations with…your daughter-in-law, for she is your son’s wife, and you may not take her” (Leviticus 18:14-15 BBE).
You speak of beating wives only in “extreme cases.” Do you call a situation in which a husband is encouraged to beat his wife if she is even suspected of unfaithfulness “extreme”? Will your children feel safe with your relationship to their mother when mere suspicion might bring a beating on her? On the other hand, the Bible does not teach to beat wives under any circumstances.
Are you Muslims not the greatest liars and hypocrites on earth? How can you escape your just judgment from God, when He has accomplished His purposes through you?
You ask me if I am a prophet. Am I? Can you tell me? Would you know a prophet if you were to come into contact with one?
As for the “history of the Church,” you refer to the false, not the true. What have we to do with it? Even so, if they discuss matters, so what? What is your point? You speak foolishly, Ali. You don’t know what you are talking about.
The genealogy of Jesus pertains to His adoptive father and mother, of the tribe of Judah. He did say to the Jews, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” God introduced Himself to humanity by humanity – at once simple and profound. And who are you to question it in your ignorance?
You confuse western “civilization” with Hollywood with Jews with democracy with religion with nominal Christianity with Catholicism with culture. We represent none of those things. Neither do we promote them. We represent God.
America is destroying itself without the help of Muslims, but Muslims are intent on destroying the West and bringing it under the tyranny and idolatry of Islam. Your coming is the judgment on the West for its sins against God, not that you are innocent. Islam all over the world has proven its antiChrist spirit in dramatic terms, with people murdering their own, issuing fatwahs, rioting in Paris, blowing themselves up…burning synagogues, temples, churches, killing Jews and nominal Christians in Asia, Africa, the Middle East…it is a horrid religion and it gets its spirit and sustenance from the Koran. I have red it and find it despicable to all true values of God – and you believe it. You are lost and in a horrible darkness, Ali.
Tell me if you can tell a prophet. Tell me if I am a prophet. You ask if I am. Your judgment is valueless because you have your Islamic agenda to blind you from seeing anything of God. The Creator of the Universe has nothing to do with Allah or the Koran or Muhammad, nothing at all, except that He is using these evils to bring judgment against wicked men who take His Name in vain and break His Law, a Law for which you have no respect whatsoever. And when He is done using you, He will deal with you, too.
After quoting me, you write: “Based on what qualifications do you speak? What blind superiority sentiment do you have?”
You have not red my letters or paid attention. You repeatedly ignore much of what I say. I told you my qualifications. You are a dishonest man, insincere, disrespectful, and inattentive, as we have witnessed so many times with Muslims. And then you get angry when people confront you for your sins. Hypocrites and liars! I call Catholics hypocrites and liars. I call Jews hypocrites and liars. I call Buddhists and Hindus hypocrites and liars. Why? Because they presume to know something about God when they know nothing. We know because we know Him, and He sends us to speak.
You are in danger, Ali, because now we have spoken to you and you are resisting the Truth, even while you say we are doing that very thing with you. You say you have your opinions and we have ours. No. You have your opinions but we do not deal in opinion. Nobody has a right before God to cast opinions about Him. We speak by, from, in and for Him, by His command and grace. You have been dealing not with us so much as with God Himself.
You think that I am arrogant in saying what I say, but you are the arrogant one, because while I know whereof I speak, you know nothing. Speaking without knowledge, yet thinking to have it is true arrogance. The Bible says:
“Respect and obey the LORD! This is the beginning of knowledge. Only a fool rejects wisdom and good advice” (Proverbs 1:7 CEV).
All you are able to do is give us the regurgitations and foolish imaginations and machinations of wicked men. We give you the Word of God. So who then is arrogant, if not you? You have no fear of God at all.
You hate Jews because you have been taught to hate them. You deny them their homeland, and you are set on their destruction if they do not believe you. Beware – you come against God and the people He has chosen and only forsaken for a time. Now He is standing up for them.
What other nation has been restored to its own original homeland after nearly two millennia of being scattered to the wind and persecuted by all nations and empires? There has been no other such nation. Soberly consider; God is doing it. Go against Him as you do now and He will deal with you accordingly. He is finished overlooking the murderous machinations of men.
You jump to many conclusions and lie. I consider no people inferior or superior to any other. You need to learn English and read all that we have at our site, and then you will know that you speak ignorantly and foolishly.
Muhammad is not my lord at all. The Truth, the Lord Jesus Christ, did not send him. Jesus Christ is your Lord. He laid down His life for you. Muhammad laid down his life for nobody. On the contrary, he has killed many. He is a murderer, a liar, a false prophet, and you will know it.
You say: “Muhammad saw the angel Gabriel, but he did not recognize him because it was the first time that he appeared to him.”
Gabriel is well able to identify himself and make himself and his mission known, and he would do exactly that. He does not go about attacking as a thief and abuser. Devils do. There is no excuse for Muhammad.
No, I cannot force you to believe or agree with me, and you indeed maintain your right to answer, but I will speak and you will have heard. And you will know that God has spoken to you by me, though you despise it at this time.
A remark dear Mr.: I assume that the “nastiness” of the terms of the dialogue comes from the character of the subject (a conflict of beliefs). And I will bear with your terms too. You mustn’t send this back to my personal character or to Islam. Let’s try to be more patient.
You have said:
You confuse western “civilization” with Hollywood with Jews with democracy with religion with nominal Christianity with Catholicism with culture. We represent none of those things. Neither do we promote them. We represent God.
But you have added:
Beware – you come against God and the people He has chosen and only forsaken for a time. Now He is standing up for them. What other nation has been restored to its own original homeland after nearly two millennia of being scattered to the wind and persecuted by all nations and empires? There has been no other such nation.
But, who created the current Israel? Is it not the West (the Balfor treaty in Britain)?
One day, that people was really chosen by the good God, but when it fell in the darkness of sins and insisted on fighting messengers from God, it became forsaken and for ever. A lot of lessons were sent to the children of Israel, but without positive answer…..
In any case, the come back of the children of Israel has been mentioned in the Koran for almost fifteen centuries:
[17.4] And We had made known to the children of Israel in the Book: Most certainly you will make mischief in the land twice, and most certainly you will behave insolently with great insolence.
[17.5] So when the promise for the first of the two came, We sent over you Our servants, of mighty prowess, so they went to and fro among the houses, and it was a promise to be accomplished.
[17.6] Then We gave you back the turn to prevail against them, and aided you with wealth and children and made you a numerous band.
[17.7] If you do good, you will do good for your own souls, and if you do evil, it shall be for them. So when the second promise came (We raised another people) that they may bring you to grief and that they may enter the mosque as they entered it the first time, and that they might destroy whatever they gained ascendancy over with utter destruction.
[17.8] It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you again return (to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment), and We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers.
[17.9] Surely this Quran guides to that which is most upright and gives good news to the believers who do good that they shall have a great reward.
[17.10] And that (as for) those who do not believe in the hereafter, We have prepared for them a painful chastisement.
There is the character of their come back…..
Moreover, you are confused in yourself! The current Israel inspires its existence from the West: the Americans whose master is Graham (your adversary, isn’t he) and the church of Europe (..!). Can we believe in a “Israel” (current) without the West? Of course not. If you say yes, it is unfaithfulness towards the West. (nuclear: France; Weapons: USA; ….)
How do you deny these unlimited protection and support from the West and simply say: God is standing up for them (the Jews).
I have said in my previous message that you benefit from acts that have nothing to do with the support from God (it is the support from the West) and you take them as realisations of the return of the guidance of God.
I know that the Good God does everything and that nothing happens without his authorization, but it is not to the profit of some. But life turns and everyone has his share.
Can we say that Israel, lead by the agreement of God, was created by unbelievers (Hertzel and Ben Gurion) and protected by false believers (Bush and his allies, ….)!!? That is absurd!
How can a chosen people have a State surrounded and supported by false believers?!
How many deaths has the creation of the State caused among the children?!
The war was led by the Jews against Islam and not the other way around. A lot of ink can be poured here, but we should not waste time with things that are clear.
I did not say that Muhammad was a lord. You make a lot of conflicts!! But I said that he was a master (teacher). You continue on making false stories up. Mohammed did not marry his son’s wife. Zaid was not his son but his servant. And when he was done serving Muhammad, he went back to his parents. Why do you say things that are not true as if they were true.
You have said: You are in danger, Ali, because now we have spoken to you and you are resisting the Truth…
I can answer you with the same words; you are in danger………..
I am not spreading simple opinions, but a belief based on a persistent reality.
Paul’s and Victor’s replies:
Shame on you that you do not even know what is in your Koran, though you present it to us as wholesome and good for mankind, even children. Are those the same children that strap on bombs to blow themselves up in the name of Allah?
Let us show you what is in your book. Here are the verses about Zaid, adopted son of Muhammad:
[33.37] And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor: Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah’s command shall be performed.
[33.38] There is no harm in the Prophet doing that which Allah has ordained for him; such has been the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and the command of Allah is a decree that is made absolute:
Besides this, Jesus Christ says that Muhammad was in sin by taking his son’s wife, no matter whether Zaid was adopted or not; this would also apply to a servant:
“Everyone putting away his wife and marrying another commits adultery; and everyone marrying her who is put away from her husband commits adultery” (Luke 16:18 MKJV).
You are also quite wrong that we should not be talking about personal character. What do you think God comes to judge if not persons according to their deeds, in other words, their characters? Muhammad was a vile adulterer, a thief, murderer and blasphemer. He was and is judged by God in all these things, which are the facts that are reported in his book, the Koran, and not something his enemies made up.
We know the Koran speaks the truth about Muhammad’s misdeeds, because we see his children doing the same things.
Who cares whether Allah approved of all that Muhammad did? That just goes to prove that Allah is not God, because God, the Lord Jesus Christ, does not approve of Muhammad’s deeds, as we have shown. Furthermore, God does not deny Himself. Allah declares that he has no son, but God says this of His Son:
(1) Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
(2) The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against His anointed, saying,
(3) Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
(4) He that sits in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
(5) Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.
(6) Yet have I set My King upon My holy hill of Zion.
(7) I will declare the decree: the LORD has said unto Me, You are My Son; this day have I begotten You.
(8) Ask of Me, and I shall give You the heathen for Your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for Your possession.
Muhammad is God’s enemy, denying the Son of God, and for this God holds him in contempt. He holds you in contempt too, because you agree with Muhammad, walking in your pride and ignorance and refusing the entry of Truth, which God has sent us to speak to you.
We cannot ignore the facts as you wish. Your character is not at all acceptable with God, which is why you need the Savior of all men, Jesus Christ. He does not need you or your vain works, which do not please Him. On the contrary, they anger Him now; they are sin to you. You need to repent and turn to Christ to be forgiven of your sins and blasphemous works and words. You have come against God and He does not hold you guiltless for your stout words against Him.
Ali, Victor here,
I want you to know and to understand that there is no nastiness expressed or intended in our spirits and communications with you. But we do know that we must speak the truth and the truth appears “nasty” to those who walk in lies, as you do. Compare it to this example: you walk about in public with dried snot visibly sticking out of your nose. We come and say, “You have a dirty nose; clean it.” So you have two options: you may be offended at us for telling you to clean your nose, thinking we are insulting you, and continue as you are, or you can choose to recognize that we do you a favor and heed our counsel, thereafter making yourself presentable to those concerned, particularly God.
But we do not merely tell you that you have a dirty nose. We tell you that you have a venomous cobra in it. Why then should you be insulted and die?
God resurrected Israel, using Balfour, England, the West, Russia, Herzl, Hitler, the Muslims, and all people and elements, as it has pleased Him. He is above all. He has even ordained the enmity between you and Israel, between you and the West. And there is no winning for you against Israel. Here is what Moses said to the Israelites:
Deuteronomy 30:1-10 MKJV
(1) And it shall be when all these things have come on you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and when you shall call them to mind among all the nations where Jehovah your God has driven you,
(2) and shall return to Jehovah your God and shall obey His voice according to all that I command you today, you and your sons, with all your heart, and with all your soul,
(3) then Jehovah your God will turn your captivity. And He will have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from all the nations where Jehovah your God has scattered you.
(4) If you are driven out into the outermost parts of the heavens, Jehovah your God will gather you from there, and He will bring you from there.
(5) And Jehovah your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it. And He will do you good, and multiply you above your fathers.
(6) And Jehovah your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed, to love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.
(7) And Jehovah your God will put all these curses on your enemies, and on those that hate you, who persecuted you.
(8) And you shall return and obey the voice of Jehovah, and do all His commandments which I command you today.
(9) And Jehovah your God will make you have plenty in every work of your hand, in the fruit of your body, and in the fruit of your cattle, and in the fruit of your land, for good. For Jehovah will again rejoice over you for good, as He rejoiced over your fathers;
(10) for you shall listen to the voice of Jehovah your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the Law, and if you turn to Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Not one of those words is error, Ali; read them all very carefully, for your life. The land the Jews till was barren and desolate. It now blooms and produces as a garden, in spite of their implacable enemies surrounding them, in spite of being outnumbered fifty to one. God is blessing them.
Twenty-six hundred years ago, Isaiah prophesied:
Isaiah 11:12-16 MKJV
(12) And He shall lift up a banner for the nations, and shall gather the outcasts of Israel and gather together the scattered ones of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
(13) And the envy of Ephraim shall depart, and the foes of Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not trouble Ephraim.
(14) But they shall fly on the shoulders of the Philistines to the west; they shall spoil the sons of the east together; they shall lay their hand on Edom and Moab; and the sons of Ammon shall obey them.
(15) And Jehovah shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with His scorching wind He shall shake His hand over the River, and shall strike it into seven streams, and make one tread it with shoes.
(16) And there shall be a highway for the remnant of His people, those left from Assyria; as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
Isaiah 45:17-25 MKJV
(17) But Israel shall be saved in Jehovah with an everlasting salvation. You shall not be ashamed nor blush to the forevers of eternity.
(18) For so says Jehovah the Creator of the Heavens, He is God, forming the earth and making it; He makes it stand, not creating it empty, but forming it to be inhabited. I am Jehovah, and there is no other.
(19) I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth. I did not say to the seed of Jacob, Seek me in vain. I Jehovah speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
(20) Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, escaped ones of the nations; those who set up the wood of their graven image, and those that pray to a god that cannot save. They know nothing.
(21) Declare and bring near; yea, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this of old? Who has told it from then? Is it not I, Jehovah? And there is no other God besides Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none besides Me.
(22) Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
(23) I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
(24) He says, Only in Jehovah do I have righteousness and strength; even to Him he comes. And they are ashamed, all who are angry with Him.
(25) In Jehovah shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Isaiah 49:12-26 MKJV
(12) Behold, these shall come from far; and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.
(13) Sing, O Heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break out into singing, O mountains; for the Lord has comforted His people, and will have mercy on His afflicted.
(14) But Zion said, Jehovah has forsaken me, and my LORD has forgotten me.
(15) Can a woman forget her suckling child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? Yes, they may forget, yet I will not forget you.
(16) Behold, I have carved you on the palms of My hands; your walls are forever before Me.
(17) Your sons shall make haste; those destroying you and ruining you shall go out from you.
(18) Lift up your eyes all around and see; they all gather and come to you. As I live, says Jehovah, you shall surely wear them as an ornament, and bind them on as a bride.
(19) For your wastes and your deserted places, and your land of ruins, shall even now be too narrow to dwell there, and they who swallowed you up shall be far away.
(20) The sons of your bereavement shall yet say in your ears, The place is too narrow for me; come near to me so that I may dwell.
(21) Then you shall say in your heart, Who has borne me these, since I am bereaved, and desolate, turned aside and an exile, and who has brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where were they?
(22) So says the Lord Jehovah, Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and have set up My banner to the people; and they shall bring your sons in their bosom, and your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders.
(23) And kings shall be your nursing fathers, and their queens your nurses. They shall bow to you, faces to the earth, and lick up the dust of your feet; and you shall know that I am Jehovah; by Whom they shall not be ashamed who wait for Me.
(24) Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?
(25) But so says Jehovah, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the fearful ones shall escape. For I will contend with him who contends with you, and I will save your sons.
(26) And I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh; and they shall be drunk with their own blood, as with sweet wine; and all flesh shall know that I Jehovah am your Savior and your Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
Isaiah 54:7-17 MKJV
(7) For a little moment I have left you; but with great mercies I will gather you.
(8) In a little wrath I hid My face from you for a moment; but with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you, says Jehovah your Redeemer.
(9) For this is as the waters of Noah to Me; for as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth, so I have sworn from being angry with you and from rebuking you.
(10) For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but My kindness shall not depart from you, nor shall the covenant of My peace be removed, says Jehovah Who has mercy on you.
(11) Afflicted one, storm-tossed and not comforted, behold, I will lay your stones among antimony, and lay your foundations with sapphires.
(12) And I will make your battlements of ruby, and your gates of carbuncles, and all your borders of pleasant stones.
(13) And all your sons shall be taught of Jehovah; and great shall be the peace of your sons.
(14) In righteousness you shall be established; you shall be far from oppression; for you shall not fear; and from terror, for it shall not come near you.
(15) Behold, they shall surely gather together, not by Me; whoever shall gather against you, he shall fall by you.
(16) Behold, I have created the smith who blows the coals in the fire, and who brings out a tool for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
(17) No weapon that is formed against you shall be blessed; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment, you shall condemn. This is the inheritance of the servants of Jehovah, and their righteousness is from Me, says Jehovah.
Isaiah 60:1-22 MKJV
(1) Arise, shine; for your light has come, and the glory of Jehovah has risen on you.
(2) For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the peoples; but Jehovah shall rise on you, and His glory shall be seen on you.
(3) And the nations shall come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawning.
(4) Lift up your eyes all around, and see. All of them gather themselves; they come to you. Your sons shall come from far, and your daughters shall be nursed at your side.
(5) Then you shall fear and become bright, and your heart shall throb and swell for joy; because the abundance of the sea shall turn to you, the wealth of the nations will come to you.
(6) A host of camels shall cover you, the camels of Midian and Ephah. All of them from Sheba shall come; they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall proclaim the praises of Jehovah.
(7) All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together to you; the rams of Nebaioth shall minister to you. They shall come up on My altar pleasing Me, and I will glorify the house of My glory.
(8) Who are these who fly like a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
(9) Surely the coastlands shall wait for Me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring your sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, to the name of Jehovah your God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because He has glorified you.
(10) And the sons of strangers will build up your walls, and their kings will serve you; for in My wrath I struck you, but in My favor I had mercy on you.
(11) Therefore your gates will always be open; they will not be shut day nor night, to bring to you the wealth of the nations, and their kings may be led.
(12) For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you will perish. Yes, those nations will be completely wasted.
(13) The glory of Lebanon will come to you, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box tree together, to beautify the place of My sanctuary; and I will make the place of My feet glorious.
(14) Also the sons of your afflicters shall come bowing to you; and all your despisers will bow down at the soles of your feet. And they will call you, The city of Jehovah, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
(15) Instead of being forsaken and hated, so that no one passes through, I will make you for everlasting majesty, a joy of many generations.
(16) You will also suck the milk of nations, and suck the breast of kings; and you will know that I Jehovah am your Savior and your Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
(17) For bronze I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver; and for wood I will bring bronze, and for stones, iron. I will also make your overseers to be peace, and your rulers to be righteousness.
(18) Violence will no more be heard in your land, wasting nor ruin within your borders; but you will call your walls Salvation, and your gates Praise.
(19) The sun will no more be your light by day; nor the brightness of the moon give light to you; but Jehovah will be to you for everlasting light, and your God your glory.
(20) Your sun will no more go down, nor your moon withdraw; for Jehovah will be your everlasting light, and the days of your mourning will be ended.
(21) Your people also will all be righteous; they will inherit the land forever, the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, so that I may be glorified.
(22) A little one will become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I Jehovah will hasten it in its time.
Isaiah 62:1-12 MKJV
(1) For Zion’s sake I will not be silent, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until its righteousness goes out as brightness, and her salvation as a burning lamp.
(2) And the nations will see your righteousness, and all kings your glory; and you will be called by a new name, which the mouth of Jehovah will name.
(3) You also will be a crown of glory in the hand of Jehovah, and a royal diadem in the hand of your God.
(4) You will no more be called Forsaken; nor will your land any more be called Desolate; but you will be called My Delight is in her, and your land, Married; for Jehovah delights in you, and your land is married.
(5) For as a young man marries a virgin, so will your sons marry you; and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so will your God rejoice over you.
(6) I have set watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who will not always be silent all the day nor all the night; you who remember Jehovah, do not be silent.
(7) And give Him no rest until He establishes and makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
(8) Jehovah has sworn by His right hand, and by the arm of His strength, Surely I will no more give your grain to be food for your enemies; and the sons of strangers will not drink your wine for which you have labored.
(9) But its gatherers will eat it and praise Jehovah; and they who collected it will drink it in My holy courts.
(10) Pass! Pass through the gates; prepare the way of the people. Raise up! Raise up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a banner for the peoples.
(11) Behold, Jehovah has sent a message to the end of the earth, Tell the daughter of Zion, Behold, your salvation comes. Behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him.
(12) And they will call them, The Holy People, The Redeemed of Jehovah; and you will be called, Sought Out, a city not forsaken.
Jeremiah also prophesied of this day:
“And I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and will bring them again to their fold. And they shall be fruitful and multiply” (Jeremiah 23:3 MKJV).
Jeremiah 31:1-11 MKJV
(1) At that time, says Jehovah, I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people.
(2) So says Jehovah, The people who were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I will go to give him rest.
(3) Jehovah has appeared to me from afar, saying, Yea, I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore with loving-kindness I have drawn you.
(4) Again I will build you, and you shall be built, O virgin of Israel. You shall again put on your tambourines, and shall go forth in the dances of those who rejoice.
(5) You shall yet plant vines on the mountains of Samaria; the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.
(6) For there shall be a day that the watchmen on Mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise and let us go up to Zion to Jehovah our God!
(7) For so says Jehovah, Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations. Cry out, give praise and say, O Jehovah, save Your people, the remnant of Israel.
(8) Behold, I will bring them from the north country and gather them from the corners of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and she who is in labor with child, together; a great company shall return there.
(9) They shall come with weeping, and with prayers I will lead them. I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way; they shall not stumble in it, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.
(10) Hear the Word of Jehovah, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands afar off. And say, He Who scattered Israel will gather him and keep him, as a shepherd keeps his flock.
(11) For Jehovah has redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of the one stronger than he.
Jeremiah 32:37-42 MKJV
(37) Behold, I will gather them out of all the lands where I have driven them in My anger, and in My fury, and in great wrath. And I will bring them again to this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely.
(38) And they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
(39) And I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me forever, for their good and for the good of their sons after them.
(40) And I will cut an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good. But I will put My fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from Me.
(41) Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will truly plant them in this land with all My heart and all My whole soul.
(42) For so says Jehovah: As I have brought all this great evil on this people, so I will bring on them all the good that I have promised them.
The prophet Ezekiel said this:
Ezekiel 11:16-20 MKJV
(16) Therefore say, So says the Lord Jehovah: Though I have sent them far off among the nations, and though I scattered them among the lands, yet I will be to them as a little sanctuary in the lands where they had gone.
(17) Therefore say, So says the Lord Jehovah: I will even gather you from the people and assemble you out of the lands, in those where you were scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
(18) And they shall come there, and they shall take away all its hateful things and all its abominations from it.
(19) And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you. And I will remove the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them a heart of flesh,
(20) so that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. And they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 34:11-16 MKJV
(11) For so says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out.
(12) As a shepherd seeks out his flock in the day that he is among his scattered sheep, so I will seek out My sheep and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
(13) And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the lands, and will bring them to their own land and feed them on the mountain of Israel by the rivers, and in all the places of the land where people live.
(14) I will feed them in a good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Israel. There they shall lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture they shall feed on the mountains of Israel.
(15) I will feed My flock, and I will cause them to lie down, says the Lord Jehovah.
(16) I will seek the lost, and bring again those driven away, and will bind up the broken, and will strengthen the sick. But I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
The prophet Micah said this:
“I will surely gather all of you, O Jacob; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel. I will put them together like the sheep of Bozrah, like the flock in the midst of their fold. They shall be in commotion because of men” (Micah 2:12 MKJV).
“In that day, says Jehovah, I will gather the lame, and I will gather the banished, and the one I have afflicted. And I will make the lame into a remnant, and her who was cast off a strong nation; and Jehovah shall reign over them in Mount Zion from now on, even forever” (Micah 4:6-7 MKJV).
The prophet Zephaniah said this:
Zephaniah 3:14-20 MKJV
(14) Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
(15) Jehovah has turned off your judgments; He has cast out your enemy. The king of Israel, Jehovah, is in your midst; you shall not fear evil any more.
(16) In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear not! Do not let your hands droop, Zion.
(17) Jehovah your God is mighty in your midst; He will save, He will rejoice over you with joy; He is silent in His love; He rejoices over you with joyful shout.
(18) I will gather the afflicted ones from the appointed place; they were from you, a lifting up of reproach over her.
(19) Behold, at that time I will deal with all those who afflict you. And I will save her who is lame, and gather her who was driven out. And I will give them for a praise and for a name in all the land of their shame.
(20) In that time I will bring you, even in the time that I gather you; for I will give you for a name and for a praise among all the peoples of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, says Jehovah.
These words are all accurate and will not fail to be fulfilled. You see that God is fulfilling them even now, after thousands of years, in spite of impossibilities and apparent heavy odds against the Jews, from the very inception of the new nation of Israel in 1948.
Again, Paul and I do not represent His creatures, but Him. Neither are we respecters of persons. I would just as soon have you to be made free in soul and spirit, and granted a new heart, as I would my earthly mother, who also does not believe. We are not respecters of persons, even as God is no respecter of persons, but we know Him, His will, His mind, and we have His favor. We are with Him in His judgment, as He has graciously appointed.
You say, “One day, that people was really chosen by the good God, but when it fell in the darkness of sins and insisted on fighting messengers of God, it became forsaken and forever. A lot of lessons were sent to the children of Israel, but without positive answer….”
“Forsaken and forever,” you say? But here is what God has to say, by Ezekiel, more than 2 ½ millennia ago, and which we are even now witnessing:
“I will receive you with your sweet aroma when I bring you out from the people and gather you out of the lands into which you have been scattered among them. And I will be sanctified in you in the eyes of the nations. And you shall know that I am Jehovah, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the land for which I lifted up My hand, to give it to your fathers. And there you shall remember your ways and all your doings in which you have been defiled. And you shall despise yourselves in your own sight for all your evils which you have committed” (Ezekiel 20:41-43 MKJV).
He also said this, and many matters, which we have discussed, are mentioned and answered in the following, as well as many others:
Ezekiel 36:16-38 MKJV
(16) And the Word of Jehovah came to me, saying.
(17) Son of man, when the house of Israel lived in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings, even as the defilement of woman’s impurity, their way was before Me.
(18) So I poured My fury on them, because of the blood that they had shed on the land, and for their idols by which they defiled it.
(19) And I scattered them among the nations, and they were scattered through the lands. I judged them according to their way and according to their doings.
(20) And when they entered the nations where they went, they even profaned My holy Name by saying to them, These are the people of the Jehovah, and they are gone out of His land.
(21) But I had pity for My holy Name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they went.
(22) Therefore say to the house of Israel, So says the Lord Jehovah: I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy Name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations where you went.
(23) And I will sanctify My great Name, which was profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. And the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, says the Lord Jehovah, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
(24) For I will take you from among the nations and gather you out of all lands, and will gather you into your own land.
(25) And I will sprinkle clean waters on you, and you shall be clean. I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from your idols.
(26) And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit within you. And I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
(27) And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My judgments and do them.
(28) And you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers. And you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
(29) I will also save you from all your defilements, and I will call for the grain, and will increase it, and will lay no famine on you.
(30) And I will multiply the fruits of the tree and the increase of the field, so that you shall never again receive the curse of famine among the nations.
(31) And you shall remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall despise yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
(32) I do not do this for your sake, says the Lord Jehovah, be it known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your ways, O house of Israel.
(33) So says the Lord Jehovah: In the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be built.
(34) And the waste land shall be tilled, instead of being a ruin before all passing by.
(35) And they shall say, This land that was wasted has become like the garden of Eden. And the wasted, deserted and ruined cities now are fortified and inhabited. [My note: This is happening before our eyes.] (36) And the nations that are left all around you shall know that I Jehovah build the ruined places and plant that which was wasted. I Jehovah have spoken it, and I will do it.
(37) So says the Lord Jehovah: yet this, I will be sought by the house of Israel to act for them. I will increase them with men like a flock.
(38) As a holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her appointed feasts, so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men. And they shall know that I am Jehovah.
You say the Jews rejected the prophets and were cast away forever, but what does God say? Ali, you are proven in error, and the Bible, which you claim is altered and inaccurate, is being confirmed to be perfectly faithful and true, as we speak.
Who are you to judge the Jews for rejecting God’s messengers when you do so yourself, as you write? Who are you to accuse and criticize when you support murder and blaspheme with all your Muslim lies? Who are you to speak of love and peace when the Koran reeks of violence, hate, murder, revenge, and pettiness, and you agree with it? The Koran advocates and supports every breaking of the Ten Commandments, as Paul has shown you, for example. How, then, can you ever begin to imagine that Islam is compatible with God in any way, shape, or form? Neither can Islam continue indefinitely. Its day is coming to an end, in spite of appearances.
While God forsook His chosen people, the Jews, for a while, He has not altogether forsaken them. He will keep His promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is fulfilling that promise as we speak. In the past century, He has been gathering them from among all nations, even as Isaiah and other prophets prophesied about 2600 years ago, as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, Which have not changed as you charge.
As to your problem with unbelievers being involved in the establishment of Israel today, I have quoted you the words of the prophet Isaiah to Israel:
“So says the Lord Jehovah, Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and have set up My banner to the people; and they shall bring your sons in their bosom, and your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders. And kings shall be your nursing fathers, and their queens your nurses” (Isaiah 49: 22- 23).
“And the sons of strangers will build up your walls, and their kings will serve you” (Isaiah 60: 10).
“You will also suck the milk of nations, and suck the breast of kings; and you will know that I Jehovah am your Savior and your Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob” (Isaiah 60: 16).
The Holy Scriptures, Which God has ordained to be preserved in all accuracy (no man can change His will), have also prophesied that God would bring the people back in unbelief, as the prophets quoted have said. You do yourself great injustice to oppose God as though you know better. Much better to believe God’s Truth than man’s lies. The former redeems, while the latter destroys.
Ali, you continually make reference to “the good God.” Yes, indeed, God is good, but you are not calling Him “good” because He is, or even because you know He is. You call Him “good” to flatter Him and/or to try to demonstrate your spiritual uprightness to Him, us, or both. But God despises your flattery and we know, by His mind and heart, that you have no goodness, so don’t bother trying to display righteousness or goodness. You have none (no man has any true good of his own), and your calling Him “the good God” will not accomplish anything, not with Him, us, or with yourself. Your pious words are of no value to Him. I assure you, He despises them.
You say, “The war was lead by the Jews against Islam and not the other way around.”
Any person with any true knowledge will know that Israel rejoiced to have its land in 1948, and was not willing to wage war on the Arabs, seeing the Jews were entirely outnumbered and out armed by 50 to 1. However, the Arabs, who had so much more land, would not accept the UN resolution and immediately launched a full-scale war.
Again, in 1956, Nasser closed the shipping lanes to Israel, effectively declaring war, and was fully prepared for it, supplied by the Soviets. Israel was not railing on the Arabs; it was the other way around. It is still that way today.
For you to say what you say causes me to wonder why I should even bother talking to you. The public record is very clear for all to know the truth if they wish to know it, and it is anything but propaganda. Any reasonable person knows better than to say what you say. But this is your Muslim hatred, indoctrination, and consequent ignorance expressing itself.
In 1967, Israel had to fight, surrounded by a belligerent enemy. In 1973, Sadat attacked Israel without provocation. When Sadat came to make peace (for which you killed him), Israel was glad and gave him the Sinai back, along with its oil reserves. With Israel surrounded by enemies, would it wish to fight? Do all these things sound like Israel is the instigator?
Does Israel fire on Gaza without provocation? Now it tolerates incessant Hamas missiles from Gaza raining on Sderot, but for how long? And Hamas’ objective is to destroy Israel. If Israel wanted to destroy Gaza, it could; instead it pulled out. Hezbollah has constantly fired missiles from Lebanon. Israel has done all that it has done in self-defense. Did Israel murder any defenseless Arab Olympian athletes or hijack planes or ships or send out suicide bombers, willfully killing civilians? Does Israel teach its children to hate and to kill Arabs or Muslims, as Muslims teach their children to hate and to kill Jews, by the Koran?
No, you cannot tell us Israel is the aggressor. Today, Muslims continue to be belligerent all over the world, including in Canada. We send you even more proof, yet you do not heed. What will it take, Ali?
You will argue with me, not really wanting to know the truth, being fully biased, and you will say the same of us. That is your modus operandi and mentality; you cannot do but. You are not an honest man; you are certainly bitter and ignorant, and not at all objective or desirous of the truth. The record proves you wrong; history proves you wrong; the Bible proves you wrong, and even the Koran proves you wrong, as we have shown and can show even more, not that we place any faith in the Koran.
You say: “I did not say that Muhammad was a lord. You make a lot of conflicts!!”
I see I made a mistake here, Ali. When some have used the term, “Master” in Christian circles, they have meant, “Lord,” and not only a “teacher.” But anybody who teaches what Muhammad teaches is a false teacher, much less a teacher of value, least of all a prophet of God. The man was a perfect scoundrel, contrary in all his ways to God, who is not Allah. He has robbed, raped, plundered, looted, tortured, deceived and murdered millions. That is his influence and legacy, manifest for all but blind fools to see. Jesus Christ has done none of these things. He said:
“The thief does not come except to steal and to kill and to destroy. I have come so that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep” (John 10:10-11 MKJV).
There, in a nutshell, is the perfect comparison of Muhammad and Jesus, the Koran and the Bible, Allah and God. How can Islam, therefore, be reconciled with true believers or with God? As it is written:
“Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what partnership does light have with darkness? And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, ‘I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.’ Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty” (2 Corinthians 6:14-18 MKJV).
But do Paul, the apostle of Christ, and Jesus Christ instruct to put a slave tax on infidels or to fight or to kill them? No. Muhammad and Allah do, and Islam has done it throughout the world and throughout all history to the present day. Islam is cruel, wicked, beastly, and altogether vile before God. He hates it and will deal with it. He already is. Many Muslims die, even by their own hand, as the prophets of Israel prophesied.
I see you have not replied to many things I have had to say to you. You asked if I was a prophet, and, concerning that matter, I asked you what?
Yes, you can answer me with the same words but of what good? Your words are opinions, your reality darkness. I speak from and by the Light of all men. He is the True Reality; besides Him there is none.
We will see who is in danger. We have been here before, with many opponents. To many of them have I said, “Let us see each other’s end some years from now and see who is right and who is wrong, seeing you will not listen to me.” Years later, it has been proven every time, with every one of them. Many are dead or sick or bankrupt or in turmoil. We are in peace and prosperity, and only increasing, because taking the only good way of faith and obedience to God and His Word, the Word you despise as the tamperings of men.
The Lord Jesus Christ has graciously granted it to be so. It is His doing, and not mine. We speak that you too might have that grace, peace and prosperity. Put away your sins and vain gods. It is the only way. Religion will not buy your ticket to Heaven. Only faith in, and obedience to, the Lord Jesus Christ will.
To complete this discussion, Paul sent Ali this note:
Here are a couple writings from other authors, for much needed perspective. The first is a link to an article about the true castastrophe taking place in the Islamic world, written by an Egyptian, Ibn Misr, who has experienced these things firsthand. There is a translation tool on the left side of your page, where you can select the flag of the language in which you wish to read it. If you cannot find what you need, or if the translation is not intelligible enough, Ibn said he would be glad to help you with understanding what he wrote. He is fluent in Arabic and can communicate reasonably well in French.
The next article compares the Nobel Prize output of Muslims and Jews. Are Jews better human beings? No, all men are sinners. Are they blessed by God and given by Him to bless the world? Yes. Fighting them sets you against God. They may be chastised but not destroyed, while you will be destroyed if you persist in fighting them. Consider this:
Ali sent us a reply several months later, a parting shot that leaves no doubt about his enmity against us as Jews in the spirit. We compare some of his statements with previous ones in this correspondence as a prime demonstration of the contradiction of Islam’s real and hidden faces. Read HERE.
Click HERE to read Ali’s objections to “The Answer to Islam” and Paul’s answer to those objections.
The nobel peace prize given because of dreams!!! Obama, who is Obama to be able to be designated as a peace maker? It is not a strange thing because a criminal such as Perez received it, as well as ones such as Arafat and Sadat who made a contract with him and are close to him (meaning just as he is). What a horrible thing! And what a huge criterion that nobel prize (without a capital letter) is!! That is the criterion you and your neighbour Paul have chosen to discriminate between peoples!!!
We agree with you that Obama is not worthy of any honor, much less a peace prize. He is no more worthy than Arafat – a vile, thieving, murderous creature – because he has been aiding and abetting Arafat’s successors.
As for Sadat, God knew his motives, too, and had him destroyed in the very act of reveling in a parade celebrating an imaginary victory in a cowardly attack against Israel in October 1973, a war Sadat, Egypt, and the Arabs plainly lost, in spite of a surprise attack and the backing of the superpower Soviet Union.
As for Peres, his fault is that he has tried to make peace with murderers and insane, political, idolatrous religionists like you for the survival of Israel, but has failed to realize that Islam is for war and not peace, as dictated by its murderous prophet and god.
And who are you, who follows and worships a devil and a murderer, killing and being killed, to speak of peace or of who ought or ought not to get a peace prize?
Unfortunately, you are far from being wise. If our prophet MUHAMMAD is a murderer, then who are you?!!! Here is the Goldstone report that approved your bloody and racist character. Believe me, it is the end of what is called the State of israel. You have all the means (money, media, power, ….) but you have no sense of joy. Fear covers all your hearts. It is because of your false belief.
Wait for your fate of pain(!!!).
You said that Muslims are killers, but who occupied the land of the other!! How many Israelites have been killed or taken hostage? Compare that number with that of the Muslims killed and taken hostage by “Israel”!!
Peace is in the heart: Our hearts are full of quietness and joy thanks to our true belief and absolute trust in ALLAH. But, in your case, Satan is leading you to a lost path……….!! Your “path of the truth” is wrong…..
And there you have the perfect presentation of the inverted lies of Islam – claiming to possess what they most conspicuously lack, accusing others of the very things of which they themselves are guilty, and pronouncing doom unknowingly for themselves.
One of the purposes of this paper is to discover the contents of the Koran to all, and to expose its spirit and essence. Perhaps as importantly, we want those who call themselves moderate Muslims to know what they are calling themselves and to what they are committing themselves when calling themselves "surrendered ones."
While the West has been self-absorbed watching the Super Bowl and the Olympics, monster trucks and American Idol, and while hypocritically singing the praises of God in day-time nightclubs called churches and on TV, the Muslim scourge has slipped in the door, with a vengeance and ruthlessness not anticipated, catching people unawares of their hour of visitation and judgment.
Which is “hate literature,” the Koran that promotes bigotry and subjugation of all those not in agreement with it, presuming to be mandated by God, or that which refutes this presumption and exposes the ungodly spirit underlying an unholy and abusive religion? We answer another former customer at Harvest Haven who is offended at the wrong literature.