The following was a conversation about God and Israel that occurred on Facebook:
Antonius shared a link. (July 12, 2014)
Israeli Invasion Coming in “Coming Hours” Tikun-Olam Tikun Olam-תיקון עולם
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/07/12/israeli-invasion-coming-in-coming-hours/
www.richardsilverstein.com
Victor Hafichuk: In 1948, when Israel declared itself a nation, the surrounding Arab nations refused to acknowledge the UN’s sanction and attacked Israel from all sides. They failed in their avowed attempt to destroy Israel. Why? Because God fought for Israel.
They tried again in 1956 and lost again. Why? God was on Israel’s side. It is God Who brought them back to their own ancient land to keep His promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The Arabs/Muslims tried again in 1967, attacking without provocation and lost big time. Why? God was with Israel, fighting for His chosen nation on earth.
Sadat of Egypt rallied Arab forces again in 1973 in yet another attempt to destroy Israel. It didn’t work. Why? God was with Israel and not with the Arabs.
Wars of attrition and intifadas have continued since and Israel still stands. Why? Because God is for Israel and against those whose sworn mandates are to destroy Israel.
I now go on record, as I have before, that you will all see Israel prevail, in spite of the horrific odds against it, in spite of the fact that the entire world is against Israel, including you people here.
And those who stand with Israel will be blessed, while those who are against Israel, as you Antonius and the others will fall.
Victor Hafichuk: Antonius and others here, for your information:
As it is written in the prophets of Israel’s Book of books:
Zechariah 14:12-19 MKJV
(12) And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples who have fought against Jerusalem. Their flesh shall rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes shall rot in their sockets. And their tongue shall rot in their mouth.
(13) And it shall be in that day a great panic of the LORD shall be among them And they shall each one lay hold of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor.
(14) And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the nations all around shall be gathered, gold, and silver, and clothing in great abundance.
(15) And so shall be the plague of the horse, the mule, the camel, and the ass, and of all the beasts which shall be in these tents, like this plague.
(16) And it shall be, everyone who is left of all the nations which came up against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
(17) And it shall be, whoever will not come up from all the families of the earth to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, even on them shall be no rain.
(18) And if the family of Egypt does not go up, nor come in, they shall have no rain, but the plague with which the LORD shall strike the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
(19) This shall be Egypt’s offense, and the offense of all the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Victor Hafichuk: There’s no point in arguing with any of you. Your minds are made up and the lines of battle are drawn. God has chosen vessels of honor and of dishonour.
As He hardened Pharaoh’s heart to his destruction, so I take it He has done with you. He has left you in your pride, vanity and ignorance. He will glorify Himself in this final day of chastening but victory for Israel, and you all will discover yourselves to be sadly, even tragically, mistaken.
I know whereof I speak because I know Him of Whom I speak. You don’t. There it is.
Peter: It is not the Lord, but the hypocritical world leaders that wish to wipe away their collective guilt for their shameful disregard of the Jewish people during the time of the holocaust. The poor people of Palestine are the worlds scapegoat. When I see the military might of Israel moving toward Gaza, I think, where are the Palestinian tanks. Even if they were wiped out, they should at least have the ability to defend themselves. This situation is a shame for the entire western world. This makes of Gaza nothing more than another concentration camp. The Jews are doing what was done to them, and there shall be no salvation until they rise above this petty revenge and dedicate themselves to peace.
Keltar: Where is your God now, Victor?
Victor Hafichuk: Keltar, where is my God, you ask. You have no idea, but I know. Whoever said God is willing to prevent evil? Only fools say so. He says He creates light and darkness, good and evil (Isaiah 45).
Is He able to prevent evil when He wants to? No problem. I’ve seen it many times.
Is He malevolent, if able and not willing? Not at all. We need both light and darkness. Shall He prevent night? Evil has a purpose, with only good in the end. So what’s the problem? Epicurus the pagan speaks in great ignorance.
And the foolish believe him.
Read: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/purpose-of-evil.htm
Keltar: Leave it to a bible thumper to deny logic.
Victor Hafichuk: You have something against the Bible, Epicurus/philosopher thumper? You’ll find the Bible true and your vain philosophies and unsubstantial reasonings to be wrong.
Keltar: It’s called, THINKING FOR MYSELF. You should try it sometime, you just might like it.
Victor Hafichuk: Not an easy task for you without the tool or materials, which can only come by the Light of men, Keltar. You contradict yourself, but you can’t think as to how, can you? Don’t depend on Epicurus, for example, whom I’ve proven wrong.
Keltar: You want contradiction? Here ya go, bub. https://bibviz.com <now defunct>
BibViz Project – Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies interactively visualized
bibviz.com
A beautiful and interactive resource to explore Bible contradictions, cruelty and other negative aspects of the Bible
Victor Hafichuk: Hey Keltar, we’ve seen many of those and have satisfactorily, reasonably, logically, factually answered all we’ve encountered. How would you like to take a stab at it – one at a time – your favorites, run them by us and see how we do? Lord willing (no promises), we’ll answer.
Keltar: Please. There is nothing truthful about religion. I was born an atheist, indoctrinated by religious bullshit, and later was able to break free of the brainwashing and go back to my natural state.
Victor Hafichuk: No problem with your declination, Keltar. Just know you’re not turning down religion. God spoke to me in March of 1976 to leave all religion behind and He would teach me. That’s what happened. I had also been indoctrinated by religious bullshit and God cleansed and delivered me of it.
You’re still trapped in bitterness and cynicism. Not a good place at all to be, and you know it. I don’t need to tell you. Just so you know I know.
Keltar: I’m not “turning down” religion, I flat out want to see it wiped clean from this planet. That shit has cost us at least a thousand years of scientific and social progress. Without those significant delays by now we’d likely have much cleaner energy, a lot less diseases, no poverty or hunger, flying cars. STARSHIPS, even. That’s right, by now I believe we could have been a spacefaring species.
But hey, who needs that when you already have an ancient book about an invisible sky daddy that’ll make you burn in hell if you don’t return his unconditonal love?
Victor Hafichuk: Keltar, do you really believe all that nonsense? Do you honestly? Now why do you mistake truth for religion? Why can’t you tell the difference between religion and truth? Where did you get your “truth”? Thinking for yourself? Who are you to be believed or trusted?
(Shared this with Tony, meanwhile):
Jeannie Van Popta:
I can only say that those who support Hamas and stand against Israel are at least criminally ignorant, if not as guilty of genocide as those who fire the rockets at Israel. I don’t care who you are. It is wickedness. – Victor Hafichuk
10 High Risk Activities That Can Get You Killed By a Hamas Rocket
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Victor Hafichuk shared a link.
Many Canadians have no idea how thankful they can be for the fact that our Prime Minister and government support Israel and stand for justice in this particular case. I know Canada will benefit enormously from it: “And I will bless those who bless you, and curse the one despising you. And in you all families of the earth shall be blessed” (Genesis 12:3 LITV). Woe to Israel’s enemies. Woe, woe, woe to them.
Canada Rejects UN High Commissioner for Human Rights’ Criticism of Israel’s Response to Rocket…
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Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird today issued the following statement: ?Canada rejects UN High Commissioner for Human…
Antonius: Beyond apartheid now. Mr. Netanyahu. Take down this Wall.
Victor Hafichuk: And let children, women and everyone else be blown up at your home, at the Penny Coffee House, the LPP, the Galaxy theatre, City Hall, Galt Museum, and the Yates? Sure, Antonius, why not? Very reasonable. Bold and wise talk!
Victor Hafichuk: Antonius, DO try this enlightening video of Israel’s Ambassador Prosor to the UN.
Why can’t the world see the honesty, reasonableness and legitimacy of Israel’s position? It is simply because, as the apostle John puts it in Scripture, the whole world lies in wickedness, opposing all that is reasonable, good and true. Man will believe any lie, no matter how obvious or outrageous, over the simple, unvarnished truth. Only Jesus Christ, the Light of All Men will be able to save mankind from total destruction in its depravity of choice and actions.
July 15:
Antonius: If Lethbridge is to be the example, how does one explain that the jails and the morgues are so disproportionately full of Native people. Is this the cost of civil peace? Where is the love and the compassion for those outside the world’s central circle of wealth and power, for the so-called wretched of the earth so ruthlessly colonized by those whose terror is being championed by many, including our own Canadian government. The same federal government that sanctions poisoning Canadians with forced fluoridation is sanctioning the raining down of death on the Gaza concentration camp.
Victor Hafichuk: Who needs explaining a change of subject, Tony (though it wouldn’t be hard at all)? Why obfuscate the issue at hand? Is it to garner native favor or publicity at any cost, and for what? Yourself? Is it worth it?
How you contradict yourself! I could use any number of cities or countries as an example for the issue at hand.
Antonius:
How would you like to have missiles raining on Lethbridge or Canada and be told you shouldn’t defend yourself?
How would you like to be attacked in your home by a murderous thug and told you are only allowed proportionate response, that is, one policeman sent to your house, perhaps armed only with a tire wrench or a knife?
How would you like to be denied the right to defend yourself, despite much patience exercised over years toward your enemies whose mandate is to destroy you from the face of the earth, according to their holy books, prophet and god?
How would you like to have gone through a holocaust of your people and have nowhere to go, especially back to your own home or land? (Don’t tell me you deny the holocaust as did Keegstra, Christie, Ash and countless others whom Muslims classify as “useful idiots?”) They secretly laugh at you. And when they’re done with the “Saturday and Sunday people,” they’ll come for you (if they care to wait that long…and they don’t) and you’ll have 3 choices, none of which would be your own or the least desirable.
This is not mere opinion on my part or that of others. By their own mouths, they with their ayatollahs, imams and mullahs, declare these things, and you ignore it all while slaughtering the innocent who beg for peace with your verbal, immoral stance.
Wake up from your sweet dreams of being important and famous, Tony, before you find yourself in a nightmare you can’t awaken from.
End of Share with Tony, back to conversation with Keltar at Tony’s FB here):
July 14:
Keltar: Let me get this straight. If I believe religion is keeping us from our true potential as a species it’s nonsense, but believing that some allegedly all-powerful being created the entire universe in six days, and then chose ONE planet to have life on, a man made from dirt, and later a woman made from that man’s rib, and then they met a talking snake, it’s perfectly legit?
That’s the thing, I don’t proclaim to have “the” truth in some stupid fairy tale book. And I don’t mistake truth for religion, I’m saying RELIGION IS A LIE.
A great man once said, “I don’t want to believe. I want to know.” That bible shit isn’t good enough anymore. We can figure things out on our own. It’s high time humanity outgrew superstitions and fairy tales. If we’re to survive, we need to fulfill our potential BEFORE we kill everything on this planet.
July 15:
Victor Hafichuk: Keltar, Oh, Mr. Keltar, you are sooo lost. “Species?” What’s that all about? Have you no idea you should have a bit more going for you than other “species?” Or are you evolving in the other direction? Come on, Keltar, why is it you’re such a failure in that which you believe you do best…thinking? Let me go on here, not to put you down but to show you up, and with good intent….
No doubt religion is the bane of men; I totally agree. Religion happens to be false worship, worshipping any god or gods but the Almighty God in spirit and truth. Such worship always leads to disaster – God says so:
Exodus 20:3-7 MKJV
(3) You shall have no other gods before Me.
(4) You shall not make to yourselves any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
(5) You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me,
(6) and showing mercy to thousands of those that love Me and keep My commandments.
(7) You shall not take the Name of the LORD your God in vain. For the LORD will not hold him guiltless that takes His Name in vain.
Victor Hafichuk: Keltar, is it more foolish for you to believe someone deliberately made your computer “from dirt” – with thinking, or to believe it eventually made it to your so-called intelligent face by pure accident out of an explosion of gases billions of years ago from who knows where? How utterly stupid can you be, Keltar? Really!
There was no “talking snake,” as you term and know snakes. The serpent was a man, and that’s why he spoke and reasoned. You know nothing, have thought very little, and yet a There was no “talking snake,” as you term and know snakes. The serpent was a man, and that’s why he spoke and reasoned. You know nothing, have thought very little, and yet are so proud of the ignorance you use as black hole material to “think” with. How amazing is that?
Is the Bible a “fairy tale” book? Have you ever red it and tried to investigate and think its contents through? Or are you so thoughtful and effective at thinking that you should ignore the greatest book every written, one that has been proven accurate historically, morally, intellectually and otherwise by millions of thinkers, countless times?
I can give you facts about the Bible to make your big head spin, if only it could think for real. Try me, “bub.”
Religion is filled with lies, but truth is truth, and truth is antithetical to religion. Got that? I’ve tried to tell you so, but because I happen to be very practical and worship an Intelligent Being instead of an accidental, stupid explosion of gases, you call it “religion.” Just who is so foolish here, anyway?
Aren’t you the one here all dumbed down with religion? I’d say so. Can you? No…that’s because you’ve got your religion with its asinine imaginations and idiot logic you call “thinking for yourself.” I can tell you that you didn’t come up with your thoughts all by yourself. You know that, don’t you, or have you ever been able to think it through?
You say, “A great man once said, ‘I don’t want to believe. I want to know.’” Well, a greater is here now because not only do I believe and want to know – I do know. How’s that? Did your great man ever come to know? Tell me who he was and I’ll tell you if he did.
“Bible shit?” How ignorant of you! Show me how it’s “shit” and I’ll show you how you so fall short of shit (I’ve already offered and you’ve refused).
As a sterling example of the inestimable worth of the Bible, there are hundreds of prophecies spoken by men inspired of God thousands of years ago which have been fulfilled. Daniel, for example, interpreted a dream the Emperor Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon had around 500. BC, wherein it was revealed that certain empires would come and go. Daniel identified them years and centuries before they came into existence, were ever heard of, or imagined. This is all on record, Keltar..
What has the Bible done for me personally? Read my story at our site. Argue with it if you will, but I was brought back from the death and hell of philosophy and religion by the precepts of the Bible and its Author. One day, you will be as well; mark my words.
Meanwhile, you remain very, very stupid, as I was before I was enlightened over 40 years ago. How old are you, Keltar? Not that it matters. Stupid is as stupid thinks.
“We can figure things out on our own,” you say. Really? Then why haven’t you done it, whoever “we” is? Were you too stupid to not be able to see through religion or the Bible? Where have you and your clever companions been all these thousands of years? Were you duped and overwhelmed by religion? Too much to handle? How have you failed! Shall you blame the ignorant masses for your downfall?
Keltar: I’ll tell you where you’ve been. You’ve been religious in all your foolish, ignorant ways, you and God-rejecting humanity, and that’s why things are in the mess they’re in. And that’s the Truth, right in the Bible.
But then, where has God been all this time, you ask? Why hasn’t HE done something about it? I’m here to tell you He’s been way ahead of you. All things are in His hands, both good AND evil, all working to eventual good. You won’t be innocent by the time He’s done with you, and neither will you be as stupid as you are now with all your confounded “thinking.”
He’s putting you and all of mankind through a “cooking” process and He’ll be bringing everyone through the fires and out the other side in perfection. That’s what’s going on – no gas here, no shit here – all pure, unadulterated truth, something you can’t seem to handle, hot shot thinker.
“If we’re to survive, we need to fulfill our potential BEFORE we kill everything on this planet.”
Wow! Thousands of years gone by and you still haven’t got it together, have you? And isn’t it the science with industry, chemicals, radiation, pollution and technology today, by man’s “intelligence” that has brought things to where they are – at the cusp of self-destruction?
You, my friend Keltar, and your friends are going to have to be delivered from your thinking before man entirely annihilates himself with such cleverness. And God is going to do the delivery in due time. He’s done it for me, for many others, and He’ll be doing it for you and every other idiot who thinks a monkey’s his uncle…er…daddy. Monkeys know better!
Honestly, Keltar, you and so many millions are such idiots. Not trying to be nasty with you, just truthful, honest and blunt. Do what you will with it.
Antonius, all the above is for your reading pleasure and enlightenment, as well.
Keltar: Look you fucking ignoramus. When I say “we” I don’t mean some group or faction. I mean goddamn HUMANITY.
People like you really fucking piss me off.
And do you really believe yourself to be greater than Carl Sagan? Because of some bullshit you *think* you know? Like you know fucking everything? A REAL inquiring mind always wants to know, because there always is more to discover and learn. That’s why it’s called the PURSUIT OF KNOWLEDGE. But I don’t expect you to grasp that concept.
Oh and you know what? If science is SO fucking horrible, then get rid of your computer, your car, your phone, your TV, your appliances and pretty much everything else you own because they are all results of scientific advancement. Go crawl into a cave and pray to your god to do your shit for you.
I’ll be over here working on my portable retro gaming console design, which I will someday build and enjoy, thanks to education and SCIENCE.
Don’t bother with another 20 page sermon, I’m done talking to you. Stupid people give me headaches.
July 18:
Victor Hafichuk: Keltar, you are vulgar, aren’t you? Is that an educated mind speaking? You don’t sound very happy or in a thinking mood at all. Rethink.
Concerning the accomplishments of science, it’s perfectly obvious that for every problem man thinks he solves, he creates ten other problems. As well, things have their time only to be disposed of in the end. I’m thankful to have a good bowel movement, too. It doesn’t mean I should eat the stuff.
Is this sermon short enough for you?