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Counterfeit Christianity of the Southern Baptists

From: Dwight Osborne
To: The Path of Truth
Date: 10/27/2013 5:01 AM

I read with interest your e-mail correspondence with Ruth, the Jehovah’s Witness.  I was in full agreement with you until I read you write that Baptists do not have the Spirit.  I understand that you are angry with Baptists for expelling you from their church, but you are wrong to say that Baptists in general don’t have the Spirit.

I’ve been a Southern Baptist for 52 years, but before we are Southern Baptists we are Christians.   It is unfortunate that over the centuries, denominations came into existence, but with so many different interpretations of Biblical doctrine, I suppose it was inevitable.  While I fully understand that not all people who profess to be Southern Baptists are saved individuals, how can you lump all people together in the manner you do?

I primarily read and study the NIV Bible and my Bible says that in order for me to be saved, I must believe that God has raised Jesus from the dead.  I must confess my sins and accept the sacrifice of His life for mine.  I have done that and I believe in His resurrection.

The Bible also says that upon our salvation the Holy Spirit is given to us as a seal, a deposit guaranteeing that what God has promised us He will fulfill.   I believe what the Bible says, but more importantly my faith is in Him, believing that He does what He says He will do.

I enjoyed your website and was about to add it into my favorites bar, but I’m not sure now that I can do that, even though we believe in the same truths.  You have judged a whole group of people based on what that one group did to you; that’s somewhat unfair.  Your judgment concerning jehovah’s witnesses was correct, and would apply to others as well, i.e. mormons, roman catholicism, etc.   Certainly, I’m not saying all SBs are perfect, we’re certainly not perfect, no one is.

But, if I understand correctly you would consider yourself a Messianic Jew, and if so, I have no problem with that and applaud you for such.  Even moreso, I applaud God that He called you into His kingdom and that you were able to see the truth and heed that call.

But, for the record, could you please tell me why you believe that all Baptists are deceived and have not the Holy Spirit in them?  It concerns me that you think this as like you I know and accept the truth of God’s word.   In reading your statement of doctrine,  I note that Southern Baptist doctrine is extremely similar.

Thank you for your time and look forward to your correspondence.  I indeed would like to add your site to my favorites but understand that if you cannot accept me as a believer in and follower of Yeshua, then I would not be able to do so.

Sincerely in Christ,
Dwight Osborne

From: Dwight Osborne
To: The Path of Truth
Date: 10/27/2013 5:42 AM

Please disregard my earlier e-mail.  Having gone further into your website, I find that you have teaching of your own that is not Biblical, so while I will not judge you on one false teaching and say you’re not Christian or have the Spirit as you have done with Baptists, I cannot follow your site as intended.  Sorry to have wasted your time.

From: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:40 PM
To: Dwight Osborne
Subject: What the Lord Has Done for Us

Hello Dwight,

Let it be known the Southern Baptists didn’t expel us from their church. We left voluntarily after being given three options. Nor have we harbored, or ever felt any cause to harbor, bitterness toward them or any other church organization. So let’s make that clear. Our testimony is not from a negative base at all. It was purely the leading of the Holy Spirit of God, Who is not found in your organization; He has nothing to do with it.

Though I had experienced the wonderful gift of repentance, I didn’t know that in general, Southern Baptists didn’t have the Spirit of Christ until my wife and I received His Spirit as described in my testimony and extensively explained in various documents, especially The Baptism in the Holy Spirit. We were as much in the dark as you are now. It takes the reception of His Spirit to know better; there’s no other way.

Your letter is a typical expression of Southern Baptists, demonstrating you’ve never known the Lord. I know you’ve never heard His voice. I expect you would argue that you hear His voice by the Scriptures, that the Bible is the full revelation, and that nothing more is needed than what is recorded in the Bible (both Old and New Testaments). I know what Southern Baptists believe and why they believe what they do.

I know that when my wife and I received the Spirit of the Lord, as recorded of the 120 in the upper room, of the Samaritans in Acts 8, of Saul in Acts 9, of Cornelius and his house in Acts 10, and of the Ephesian disciples in Acts 19, we suddenly began to hear the Lord speaking to us, directly and personally. I recall one of first things, if not the first thing, He said to me was concerning our pastor, Jack Connor. He said, “He isn’t saved.”

Of course, that wouldn’t necessarily mean all Baptist pastors aren’t saved just because one isn’t, but we never drew such a conclusion. As we went on, we discovered that while Baptists trusted in the letter, not one of them knew the Lord. And if they ever did come to know Him, they would see through the general falsehood, the counterfeit Christianity of the Southern Baptists, as well as all other similar evangelical denominations. And if they obeyed the Lord, they would have no choice but to come out from among them and be separate.

Dwight, you reveal your spiritual emptiness, not to yourself or to those without the Spirit, but to those of us who do have His Spirit. For example, you ask, “While I fully understand that not all people who profess to be Southern Baptists are saved individuals, how can you lump all people together in the manner you do?

Again, if you had the Spirit, you’d have the discernment of God to understand. Obviously, by your judgment, as with other Baptists, you would believe that while some profess faith, there’s something missing, like commitment, for example, like witnessing, for another. You would see things to question whether or not their faith was real. But I say to you that if your faith was real, if suddenly you received the Spirit of God, you soon wouldn’t be defending Southern Baptists. You would say, “Victor, you’re right! I never saw it, but you’re right, praise God!”

You say, “I primarily read and study the NIV Bible and my Bible says that in order for me to be saved, I must believe that God has raised Jesus from the dead.

And Jesus says to you:

“You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me, and you will not come to Me that you might have life” (John 5:39-40 MKJV).

Your trust is not in the One of Whom the Scriptures testify, or in belief of His shed blood, burial and resurrection, but in the letter of the testimony, which has no life without Him. You, Dwight, are without Him, of Whom these things are written.

To those who erroneously believed they were saved, He would say:

“Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your Name, and through Your Name throw out demons, and through Your Name do many wonderful works? And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!” (Matthew 7:22-23 MKJV)

You say, “I must confess my sins and accept the sacrifice of His life for mine.  I have done that and I believe in His resurrection.

Yours is an intellectual, doctrinal, theological stance, but not one of the gift of living faith from above. I tell you this not to argue or belittle, or out of mere opinion, but because I know by the Mind of Christ what I know:

“You worship what you do not know, we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22 MKJV).

You are not a Jew, one circumcised in heart. Your “Judaism” is that of the circumcision of the fleshly mind, the indoctrination and intellectual assent to truths mixed with error and conformity to religious tradition and conduct. You, my friend, have never tasted the reality of God. You are lost.

You say, “The Bible also says that upon our salvation the Holy Spirit is given to us as a seal, a deposit guaranteeing that what God has promised us He will fulfill.

We both know what the Bible says, don’t we? But while I know the reality of those words, you only mouth them, albeit believing them with the carnal mind.

But don’t you know that the carnal mind is at enmity with God (Romans 8:5-8)? Don’t you know that devils also know these things and aren’t the better for it (James 2:19)? Don’t you know that many have “believed what the Bible says,” and are quite sincere about it, yet without the Spirit of God? Don’t you know, Dwight, or are you only trying to convince yourself as much as you’re trying to convince me of your right standing with God through Christ Jesus our Lord?

What the Bible says is true; however, the issue here is not what the Bible says, but whether His Living Word has been manifest in you to the glory of God. It hasn’t been. You may have experienced repentance, I’m not sure of that, but I am sure you have never received His Spirit. His Spirit bears witness to me of that fact.

Malachi 3:16-18 MKJV
(16)  Then those fearing the LORD spoke together, each man to his neighbor. And the LORD listened and heard. And a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who feared the LORD, and for those esteeming His Name.
(17)  And they shall be Mine, says the LORD of Hosts, for the day that I will make up My treasure. And I will pity them as a man has pity on his son who serves him.
(18)  Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between him who serves God, and him who does not serve Him.

You say, “I find that you have teaching of your own that is not Biblical,” and I say you need to specify. Allow me the opportunity to re-examine what we teach according to your perspective. Perhaps you are wrong, blinded by Southern Baptist doctrine and tradition? Let’s see.

Victor

From: Dwight Osborne
Sent: October-31-13 8:19 PM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: Re: What the Lord Has Done for Us

You prove by your response that you are the one who do not know Christ.  As a matter of fact, I asked you to disregard my e-mail as I had later found out that you have many false teaching on your website.  To say that Southern Baptists don’t have the Spirit shows your ignorance and disdain of the Scripture.  I was not prepared earlier to question your Christianity, but your response has proven, that while you were correct in your responses to Ruth, you did so from knowledge and not because you know Christ.  I stand on my belief in what God’s word says and am now prepared to call you what you are, false teachers and wolves in sheep’s clothing.  Perhaps God will speak to you in your ignorance and show you how you are wrong.  At this moment, you too much follow satan and his ways.  I indeed feel so sorry for you in your blindness.   Sad and pitiful.  Don’t contact me again; I have already seen through your guile.  satanic

Dwight Osborne

From: Dwight Osborne
Sent: October-31-13 8:30 PM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: Re: What the Lord Has Done for Us

Found this online that specifically applies to you, take it to heart and get out of your false religion.

http://raptureready.com/featured/duck/dd96.html

From: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:01 AM
To: Dwight Osborne
Cc: ‘Paul Cohen’
Subject: Re[3]: What the Lord Has Done for Us

Dwight, I said to you: “Allow me the opportunity to re-examine what we teach according to your perspective.” In other words, tell me where we err. But you didn’t, and couldn’t, do that, so you falsely accused me of the gross evils of Vanderbilt University Divinity School. That makes you no better than the new lesbian dean of that wicked institution.

You have it wrong, Dwight. It isn’t our knowledge and love for the Scriptures and their Author that is at all in question here. For me to have to tell you that Southern Baptists don’t have the Spirit shows your ignorance and disdain for the Scriptures and their Author, Whom you don’t even refer to.

Truly, you don’t believe the Scriptures at all and you don’t love the Lord Jesus Christ. You despise and vomit on Him as you now do on us. Go your way, Satan, the way of self-worship and destruction. We’ll see how far you get. You’re finished.

Victor

Dwight, Paul Cohen here.

In your case, unlike the apostle Paul’s, much learning has indeed made you insane. And that’s because you’ve been indoctrinated by corrupt religious men and their vile works, having nothing from the Lord.

You start off your letter to Victor saying: “You prove by your response that you are the one who do not know Christ.  As a matter of fact, I asked you to disregard my e-mail as I had later found out that you have many false teaching on your website.

You say, “as a matter of fact,” that Victor doesn’t know Christ because he answered your letter when you said to disregard it? How does that compute? You had rattled off unproven allegations and lies, but allow for no answer, even for your own benefit? You’ve assumed authority and dismiss whatever you choose on your say-so, without proof, which means you’re no authority at all. You’re an impudent religious whore.

“Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eats, and wipes her mouth, and says, I have done no evil” (Proverbs 30:20 MKJV).

Victor has answered you with substance, as many have witnessed, and you have nothing at all to hide your utter nakedness, yet you double down on spiritual trash-talk. How sad and pathetic.

“Therefore the showers have been withheld, and there has been no latter rain; and you had a harlot’s forehead, you refused to be ashamed” (Jeremiah 3:3 MKJV).

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