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To: The Path of Truth
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 10:08 AM
I was reading an article you wrote on John Piper being a false teacher, and I had a question about it. Before I ask the question I would like to make clear that I am familiar with Piper, but do not completely know his doctrine. I have only watched a few short videos of him on youtube. However, your criticism of him as a false teacher revolved around the fact that he preaches about a place of eternal punishment for nonbelievers (Hell) as you can read from your own writing:
One of the biggest and worst lies ever told in manmade Christianity, one that John Piper subscribes to and teaches, is that there is a place of interminable torment and punishment for sinners. Men think to find this doctrine in the Bible, but while it is something the carnal man would wish on others, it is surely not something God has ever said or that ever entered into His mind. He made creation as an act of His love. He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son for it. We are His, bought and paid for by His blood.
I was wondering where you got the idea that there is no hell, based on the fact that there are numerous verses in The Bible – some even spoken by Jesus, whom you believe to be God, as I also do – about the existence of a place of eternal punishment for people who do not believe in Christ. See a few examples, of many, below:
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
“There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. …
As much as I do not like the idea of a place of torment for nonbelievers, I have to except the fact that the Lord, whose ways are above mine, has created such a place, and I am nobody to discern what is fair and unfair compared to the all knowing, righteous God.
From: Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Question
Court, you write:
“I am nobody to discern what is fair and unfair compared to the all knowing, righteous God.”
So if you are nobody to discern what’s fair and unfair, then who are you to discern the meaning of God’s Word? Plainly you don’t understand the Scriptures and have no business interpreting the Scriptures or relying on carnal men to do so for you.
For example, men have mistranslated the Greek words you interpret to mean “time without end.” Read The True, Scriptural Meanings of “Forever,” “Everlasting,” and “Hell”. All the Scriptures you cite are plainly answered in our Christ-inspired, Biblically-based writings (The Restitution of All Things). Read them, more than once, with your Bible.
Ask the Lord to open your heart and ears to the truth. But if you want to believe lies, then you will believe lies, because you haven’t received a love of the truth from God, Who has given you over to strong delusion.
Also read The Rich Man and Lazarus – A Pagan Parable.
Paul and Victor
From: Todd To: The Path of Truth Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 8:09 AM Subject: False Teachers To whom it may concern, This has to be a joke right? I was shocked to see many of the names on your list that you have declared false teachers. In addition to this, there is no explanation or citations to support your claim. For instance, what makes Clayton Jennings or Francis Chan a false teacher? This must have taken an immense amount of time to put together and it begs the question, “what is the purpose?” I understand and agree that false teachers are to be exposed, but Matthew 25:31-46 makes it quite evident that this is far from what God is expecting from us. Todd Student Pastor From: Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk To: Todd Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:20 AM Subject: Re: False Teachers “Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear?” (Mark 8:18 EMTV) “This has to be a joke right? I was shocked to see many of the names on your list that you have declared false teachers. In addition to this, there is no explanation or citations to support your claim. For instance, what makes Clayton Jennings or Francis Chan a false teacher?” The explanations and citations are right in front of you, Todd, so you should consider why you can’t see or hear. Your only hope is in becoming honest, because insisting you can see, here’s what the Lord says to you: “If you were blind, you would have no sin. But now you say, We see. Therefore you...
From: Nicola To: The Path of Truth Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 5:02 PM Subject: Using my picture and personal information Without consent! Dear Ronnie, I have become aware that my picture and personnel information has become public knowledge without first asking me.m which has resulted with over 50 downloads so far. This is illegal. If it is not removed, I will have to take further action. My son is also in that picture. Regards, Nicola From: Victor Hafichuk To: Nicola Cc: Ronnie Tanner and Paul Cohen Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Using my picture and personal information Without consent! So Nicola, it’s okay for you to publicize demonic trash (albeit as a sick “joke,” as you say) with your toddler in it, but cry in protest at his involvement if we publicly confront you for doing so? How does that work? Are you upset with people seeing what WE’VE said, or about people seeing what YOU’VE said, or, with what your “friends” have said? Perhaps you simply don’t want any of your associates to know you profess Christ, and to hear what He has to say about your profession? Might that be it? Victor [The record of the Facebook conversation] Nicola October 31 at 4:50pm · The closest I'm getting to Halloween this yr! Comments Rob Ha ha your lucky i didn't even get that close been asleep most of it , not even a trick or treat knocked on the door lol looks like you had a little drink though , xxxxx Nic...
From: Dan To: The Path of Truth Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 8:55 AM Subject: Mary Baxter Well I do have to say you have no idea about what the bible really says. You should really look up the judgements of God and you will then know that judgement is forever in hell. Why do you think it says death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire? What does fire do but burns continually, and it's not fire but actually liquid molten sulfur continually burning and it is true that the flesh continually comes back because that's the working of the tree of life except when those are in hell there will be continual torment. And the bible does say that. Yes once in hell the judgement is set, there's no return from hell because we can never ever righteous except for God in us therefore no amount of judgement upon those in hell can ever make them righteous so therefore the torment will continue for ever. The bible says God will destroy both body and soul in hell. Please study things before you say things that are not true, thankyou. From: Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk To: Dan Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Mary Baxter “Why do you think it says death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire?” Because “the last enemy to be destroyed is death” (1 Corinthians 15:26 ESV). If Jesus Christ is the First and the Last, Almighty God Whose grace abounds more than sin, how can any person be totally irredeemable? Look at yourself, Dan, spouting ...