We received a comment at one of our videos here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnuCGr0WMug&lc=UgwZWEyiVZ4yCmGQvGt4AaABAg
Joe Szulborski says:
The problem is they posted testimonies of countless people over the year on their website. Paul cohen….sara schmidt…and lois benson are three i remember but there were dozens…
They r all gone now…
No story of what happened to them…no apology to people… But yet they preach openness.
Its an awful look. This guy believes that God hears him when he prays (at least i hope).
So u cant tell me those people were not at some point or another worth at least one prayer that they would be faithful to the end from their leader. So either he did pray for them but God didnt answer. Or they werent even worrh his five minutes of time to pray for them.
[END]We shared this response to some of those who we are in contact with. Their responses to Joe’s comment below:
Marilyn said:
The guy doesn’t know human nature, and he sure doesn’t know the Bible. How many times did Paul say that EVERYONE left him, except…? Were Paul’s prayers unheard, or did God just not answer him?
What an arrogant jerk! Paul doesn’t tell us what happened to all those who left him. And neither do we need to give an explanation for what happened to those who’ve left us.
Lloyd said:
Hello to all of you.
The comment doesn’t make much sense, but I have a few thoughts.
First of all, what he’s implying suggests someone who has not seen the light and does not end his prayers with ‘Your will be done, Father.’
So what he is saying is that if God hears you when you pray, His answer is always going to be what the person praying wants?
Romans 8:26-27 NKJV
[26] Likewise, The Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but The Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. [27] Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of The Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.Victor, your will is The Lord’s will, and The Lord’s will is that all endure to the end, but in His timing.
This person reminds me of the last time I spoke with my older brother a year ago. He ended the conversation with ‘I’ll never stop praying for you to be delivered from your delusion.’ Did he not stop to think this is what God wants? Even if it was for me to be deluded! These people don’t give a damn about God’s will.
Lloyd.
Lynn said:
Hi Everyone,
Here is what I would say to Joe:
By your logic, then God didn’t hear Jesus’ prayer to remove the cup from Him, because that’s what He asked for, though He did say, if it be Your will. The point is, we can’t just make any request from the Lord and expect that it will go our way. He’s over everything.
James 4:13-15 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow let’s go into this city, and spend a year there, trade, and make a profit.” Whereas you don’t know what your life will be like tomorrow. For what is your life? For you are a vapor that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. For you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will both live, and do this or that.”
What about Judas? Surely Jesus could have prayed for him and kept him from the betrayal. Judas had a purpose to fulfill. So with each of us.
Who do you think is owed an apology? Those who have left Victor’s fellowship have made their choice. You can do a search and find more that has been added to Paul Cohen’s testimony. If you really care about others, you could ask Victor about the circumstances, but I think you just want to find fault with him.
Lynn
Tony said:
I don’t have anything to say/comment as I have not met Paul Cohen, Sara Schmidt, Lois Benson et al.
However, there was an update on Paul Cohen on the paper “Paul Cohen’s Testimony.” As to Sara and Lois, they were mentioned in the Theo-Bio.
If this Joe is really interested in Paul, Sara (Not assuming he knew them), he could have asked. Not sure why he said an apology is needed. He was being presumptuous in everything he said.
People come and go, as I believe it is the Lord who gathers and disperses for His purposes.
Dena said:
Good day!
My thought is Joe Szulborski (if that’s his name) or someone he’s well acquainted with was part of TPOT several years ago. Probably 12 years or so based on the names mentioned as well as the testimonies. I can understand remembering Paul and Sara having testimonies up but why Lois?
Joe’s numbers are a little off as there were only around 10 testimonies (that I recall). I believe he is thinking about people not testimonies based on this since there are dozens no longer with TPOT. No lack of openness, either. Paul’s testimony with addendum is readily available on the site. Since he was in ministry with you, it makes sense to have this information online. The rest weren’t but were still handled openly; just in a different way.
Joe seems to be digging for information about what would be said about people no longer with TPOT as well as blaming Victor for those who’ve left. He’s got things exactly wrong.
Speaking from experience, not a one of us was a nice faithful person “worth a prayer to be faithful to the end.” I was anything but. It’s the Lord’s mercy for everyone involved when someone is removed by Him. I had a slight understanding of that after being removed but more now after being forgiven.
Dena
Jill said:
About Joe’s response to the video, That Prophet, Episode #54
These are my thoughts:
In Joe’s first sentence in his response, he starts with,” The problem is.”
The problem lies with Joe. He is either lying or hiding or both,
I think what Joe is trying to do is warn others by saying,” It’s an awful look,” and taking what Victor and Martin had said in the first part of the video, “Nobody’s been listening. Everybody wants to have someone, a small audience to listen to; if you don’t, you are not human.” And Joe is using that to set the record straight by turning their focus on what happened to the three he remembers from the TPOT,
Because they are gone now, he thinks Victor owes an apology.to people. because he didn’t take the time to pray for these people who are now gone to stay on the Path of Truth.
(This sounds similar to what Sabine did recently. “Shame on you!”)
To sum it up, I think Joe feels you didn’t find him worthy to pray for, and he isn’t happy with how his life is going. I believe he is relying on others to help him, unaware that only the Lord can do that. This reminds me of what Martin had written in a letter sent to me, “There are some who come to be spoon-fed.” (words may not be exact)
I can only walk with Him if I am in agreement with Him.
Thank you,
Jill Veldkamp
Michael Lash said:
Hello everyone, my thoughts on Joe’s Szulborski’s comments;
I don’t know wether Victor has ever prayed that specific prayer or not but Joe commits a black and white fallacy, here;
“So either he did pray for them but God didnt answer.
Or they werent even worrh his five minutes of time to pray for them.”
…he doesn’t consider the possibility that Victor did pray, God did answer, but those people rebelled. I think he doesn’t see that possibility because he is trying to find fault, because he wishes to justify and make himself feel better.
And how does he know that prayer won’t be answered at a later time, whether in this life or in the ages to come?
Also, of course even if Victor hadn’t prayed that prayer that doesn’t automatically mean it’s because he doesn’t care, maybe Victor wasn’t moved to do that. Jesus didn’t pray for the world, does he fault Him for that?
I think he should instead be looking for ways to find credit for God, “ascribing righteousness to his Maker”, like Elihu did, instead he is a “miserable comforter”, like Job’s friends. It certainly seems to me by his words that he is miserable.
It’s sad to see, I think he is choosing to be that way, choosing to see the glass half empty. I think he needs to repent, “turn and live”, walk by faith, quit trying to understand and just obey. If he does that he will gain the understanding he seeks after, as for now he thinks to know better. But the fear and reverence of the Lord is where that begins, and he is not revering God if he is finding fault with Him.
“Are you trying to prove that I am unjust, to put me in the wrong and yourself in the right?” Job 40:8
So ultimately, I say he is faulting God, where obviously there is no fault, as Victor has said, God gets all the credit and we get all the blame. I think he should be quicker to fault men, that would be a safer bet and bring better results.
Ronnie said:
Is Joe your real name?
Will you be open and tell us who you really are and what you’ve had to do with anyone you’ve mentioned here? I don’t believe you will. That’s what fault finders and sinners do – contradict and condemn themselves with their own accusations.
Victor has shared his entire life online at The Path of Truth – sins, victories, defeats – all of it. It’s been public for over 20 years now, even to this day. Even the people you mention who aren’t still around – their lives are also public – the good, bad and ugly.
And what do you know about who Victor has prayed for or who he hasn’t, and what those prayers were or are? You’re incredibly presumptuous and ignorant.
Are you “open”? Have you confessed your sins and been forgiven? I know you haven’t. Speaking of awful your playlist on Youtube says it all. Your mind is a sewer, and you know it. What I see is you’ve been confronted with the Truth and you’ve hated both The Message and the messenger. Everything else here is just smoke and mirrors.