From: Ed
To: The Path of Truth
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 4:03 PM
Subject: Rick Joyner
Greetings, I read your comments regarding your view towards Rick Joyner and his writings. I believe “the Final Quest” or “The Call” was referenced.
I believe the Lord urged me to send a portion of the “the Final Quest”.
“I incited men under me to investigate others and do my dirty work. I had them scour the earth to find any error or sin in the life of others to expose them. I became the worst thing that a man can become on the earth-a stumbling block who produced other stumbling blocks. We sowed fear and division throughout the church, all in the name of protecting the truth. In my self-righteousness I was headed for perdition. In His great mercy the Lord allowed me to be struck by a disease that would bring about a slow and humiliating death. Just before I died I came to my senses and repented. I am just thankful to be here at all. I may be one of the least of His here, but it is much more than I deserve. I just could not leave this room until I had a chance to apologize to those of you that I so wronged.”
“But you never wronged me,” I said.
“Oh, but I did indeed,” he replied. “Many of the attacks that came against you were from those whom I had agitated and encouraged in their assaults on others. Even though I may not have personally carried the attacks out, the Lord holds me as responsible as those who did.”
“I see. Certainly I forgive you.”
I was already beginning to remember how I had done this same thing, even if on a smaller scale. I recalled how I had allowed disgruntled former members of a church to spread their poison about that church without stopping them. I knew that by just allowing them to do this without correcting them I had encouraged them to continue. I remember thinking that this was justified because of the errors of that church. I then began to remember how I had even repeated many of their stories, justifying it by saying it was only to enlist prayers for them. Soon a great flood of other such incidents began to arise in my heart. Again, I was starting to be overwhelmed by the evil and darkness of my own soul.
“I, too, have been a stumbling block!” I wailed, dropping again to my knees. I knew that I deserved death, that I deserved the worst kind of hell. I had never seen such ruthlessness and cruelty as I was now seeing in my own heart.
May God bless you richly
Ed
From: Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk
To: Ed
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Rick Joyner
Hi Ed,
What you find on our website isn’t “our” view of Rick, but what God has given us to know and to shout from the housetops in order that others might be delivered from the same deception Rick labors under. (He has blessed us richly.)
The one depicted in the quote you sent us from Rick’s book tried to destroy his religious rivals (as Rick himself also admits he was convicted of doing). Is that what Jesus was doing in Matthew 23? Can you tell the difference between one who is sent to show the people their sins, and one who speaks in carnal enmity of the flesh?
God didn’t “urge” you to send us that quote, although He did give you to follow through on your urges that you might hear the truth.
Rick is a convert to False Love – Satan’s Last Stronghold. Read all about it in the entries at the link, making sure to read Does God Speak Only Gentle Words? in particular.
Then get back to us and tell us what you think.
Paul and Victor
www.ThePathofTruth.com
From: Ed
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: Rick Joyner
Greetings Paul and Victor, thank you for your response. I did some reading in the articles suggested and would like to share my thoughts on a statement of yours in “The Mark of Cain”.
“Cain was operating in this love when he made his sacrifice to God, in order not to give to Him, but to get from Him. His giving had a selfish motivation and goal. That’s why his sacrifice was not accepted.”
Yes, Cain did want something from God, acceptance, but on his own terms. He was motivated by jealousy and ultimately pride, a most deadly sin. Cain’s grain offering was not accepted because the shedding of blood is required to cover sin. This pattern was from the fall of Adam and I’m sure Cain and Able had sacrificed to the Lord before and certainly knew what God demanded. Cain didn’t want to deal with his brother to receive from his flock the needed sacrifice. Instead, Cain felt that the works of his hands should be sufficient to offer to God. It never is, the shedding of blood is required. Cain’s grain offering would have been accepted only if preceded by the blood sacrifice. Pride took Cain down.
Years ago I started learning the truth about many things I was taught in “church”. I came to realize that many doctrines like “pre-trib rapture”, holidays, the “trinity doctrine”, eternal torment and many others were lies of Satan. I felt that surely others would want to be delivered from these delusions, so fully armed with the truth I set out to free my family, friends, strangers, and even sent letters to very large ministries. The only result I could see from all my efforts was the damage to my relationships. All my relationships.
I expect to suffer for the truth, but what God showed me is that like Cain, often I offered my works instead of being led always by the Holy Spirit. If it isn’t Spirit led, it’s Spirit dead.
In your case, confronting people online makes it a bit easier to speak your mind and not care what anyone thinks. I too don’t care what people think, but unlike online, there is a real price to pay.
In the “Gentle Words” article you listed the words of Stephan, James, Jude, Paul, John the Baptist, Peter and Jesus Himself.
I believe most of these words spoken by them were said in person, face to face. And the price for speaking the truth boldly could cost your life.
Are you equating your discernment, authority and ministry to these, and to the Lord Himself?
Regarding Rick Joyner, I have enjoyed a few of his books, however when I’ve heard him speak or see what or who he’s involved with, I just shake my head. I wrote to you out of concern and that portion of “the Final Call” was brought to mind. God can speak to us any way He chooses, and often humility is required to hear Him. If God is speaking to you through a horse’s ass, you damn well better humble yourself and receive what He is saying.
I appreciate your passion and dedication for truth and pray you receive your daily bread, the manna from our Heavenly Father on which we truly exist.
May you dwell in the Father’s Love
Ed
From: Victor and Paul
To: Ed
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: Re[3]: Rick Joyner
Hi Ed, Victor here,
I can’t say I agree with everything you’ve said about Cain; it seems to be some true doctrine mixed with opinion and speculation.
You say, “In your case, confronting people online makes it a bit easier to speak your mind and not care what anyone thinks. I too don’t care what people think, but unlike online, there is a real price to pay.
In the “Gentle Words” article you listed the words of Stephan, James, Jude, Paul, John the Baptist, Peter and Jesus Himself.
I believe most of these words spoken by them were said in person, face to face. And the price for speaking the truth boldly could cost your life.”
Ed, you seem to be given to much speculation and opinion. Is that wise?
“If one rejects a matter before he hears, it is folly and shame to him” (Proverbs 18:13 LITV).
What makes you assume we don’t speak openly and personally? What makes you think we haven’t suffered persecution? It appears you have yet to read and/or the Theo-autobiography, wHaT tHe LoRd HaS dOnE wItH mE.
Furthermore, we fully identify ourselves and our locations, pictures – everything – on our site. Does that sound like someone afraid of confronting people in their sins? Is that wise of us? Let God be judge. But by His grace, we’re open season for murderers from many directions of many stripes and colors. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
Unlike you, by the grace of God we do care what people think. For His sake and theirs we answer carefully according to what He gives us and would have us say. We speak for the Lord and His salvation of all, but you speak only for yourself and your own sake. That’s why you’ve suffered the things you have from others with no reward from God.
“Are you equating your discernment, authority and ministry to these, and to the Lord Himself?”
Yes.
Not only are you given over to speculation and opinion, but also loose and very inappropriate, irreverent words and concepts for which you surely must give an account:
“If God is speaking to you through a horse’s ass, you damn well better humble yourself and receive what He is saying.”
He may make a horse or an ass speak, but He will not speak as you suggest. He wouldn’t defile Himself. Your words border on blasphemy.
Dwelling in the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ’s love, power and sound mind,
Victor and Paul
From: Ed
To: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: Re[3]: Rick Joyner
Hello Victor,
I must apologize to you and Paul. I should have read your testimonies before commenting on how you conducted your ministry and the consequences of it.
I didn’t know what I was talking about, and I am truly sorry. Beyond that, it’s painfully obvious that I didn’t communicate very well on a few other points.
First, regarding my statement “I too don’t care what people think”, was meant to convey that I try to follow the Lord’s ways and His truth no matter what people think. Clearly, I care what people think or we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Secondly, about the equine statement, (for which I was quite uncomfortable, but felt led to include it), it was meant to be symbolic, applying to myself, Rick Joyner or whomever.
I do believe the exhortation is valid, God can speak to us any way He chooses, including by our enemies.
But that’s no excuse, and I’m sorry for offending you.
I would like to clear up the misunderstanding contained in your statement below.
“We speak for the Lord and His salvation of all, but you speak only for yourself and your own sake. That’s why you’ve suffered the things you have from others with no reward from God.”
I speak only for myself and my own sake? I truly hope that was a rare blip in your pristine discernment. Along with, suffering things from others with no reward from God. Really? That’s not what I said and is clearly speculation on your part. What I had shared with you was that when I eagerly tried to share truths with people who were not prepared by the Holy Spirit to receive it, things didn’t go well. And, truly, I’ve gotten far more reward from God than I would ever have imagined. Again however, I’m at least partially to blame for my poor communication skills.
In the matter of Cain and why his sacrifice was not accepted, I see you didn’t completely reject what I said. However, you did say;
“some true doctrine mixed with opinion and speculation.”
I can accept your statement in the light that it so clearly applies to what you said below.
“Cain was operating in this love when he made his sacrifice to God, in order not to give to Him, but to get from Him. His giving had a selfish motivation and goal. That’s why his sacrifice was not accepted.”
Whether you can accept it or not Victor, we both have been “given to speculation and opinion”, as you put it, however I would argue that we are using reason and logic, God given attributes of our minds. Isa_1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” KJV. Since I feel that the issue of Cain is of the most substance we have talked about, perhaps you’ll endure me to go over it one more time.
To start, we can agree that Adam sinned and thus began death, but also mans reconciliation back to God.
Gen 3:21 “Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.” KJV
Briefly, the covering was physical but more importantly the symbolic covering for sin.
The shedding of blood was essential;
Heb 9:22 “And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.” KJV
Now, using logic, I believe Adam and Eve witnessed God slay the animal for a couple of reasons.
First, to realize the how serious their offense was, and also to see how to perform future sacrifices and to know what was required.
Also, to instruct future generations,(Cain and Able?)
Cain and Able sacrificed to the Lord, He then obviously had instituted a sacrificial system.
Cain brought the “fruit of the ground” in which he toiled and “had not respect” of God. Able brought “of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof”, and God had respect unto Able and his offering. Cain offered the work of his hands and Able offered the requirement, blood.
Adam must have taught his sons about sin and sacrifice, and at some age they began to offer unto God.
Cain being older would have sacrificed before Able, so this was not his first time. Cain surely would also have known what God required, being instructed by Adam.
Gen 4:5 b “And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.” KJV
Logic tells me jealousy was the root of Cain’s anger. Further, a humble man is not jealous, therefore Cain had a problem with pride.
It’s reasonable to assume that because Cain had animosity toward his brother, and that there had been a number offerings made by them previously. I don’t believe this resentment suddenly appeared, and certainly Cain’s actions would declare it was deeply seated and may have built up over years. Therefore, due to Cain’s pride, I said that he didn’t, (as he may have in the past), go to his brother to receive from him a proper offering. It’s obvious that pride caused Cain to fall.
That being said, I do generally agree with your statement;
“Cain was operating in this love when he made his sacrifice to God, in order not to give to Him, but to get from Him. His giving had a selfish motivation and goal”
Further, I felt there was good insight in the article “The Mark of Cain” and found it profitable.
Again, I apologize for offending you, that was not my goal, I missed the mark.
My prayer for you, Victor, and Paul is that the Lord will continue to use you in mighty ways to His Glory and you’ll be protected and greatly blessed for all the sacrifices you have made.
Ed
From: Paul and Victor
To: Ed
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 8:21 AM
Subject: Re[5]: Rick Joyner
Ed, we’ve received your apology. We forgive you – no problem there. While we weren’t offended by any of the erroneous things you said of us in previous letters, and are glad to see you’re examining our testimonies in order to clear up wrongful presumptions, there’s still considerable confusion and contradiction in your take on things.
I’ll point out several issues in the order presented in your letter. To begin with, you justify your statement about God speaking through a horse’s ass:
“Secondly, about the equine statement, (for which I was quite uncomfortable, but felt led to include it), it was meant to be symbolic, applying to myself, Rick Joyner or whomever.”
Apparently it still hasn’t fizzed on you about what comes out of a horse’s ass – gas and excrement. As Victor said to you, God wouldn’t defile Himself by speaking through a horse’s ass. Let us know if you now understand and acknowledge this point.
If you’re trying to say that you’ve been a horse’s ass, yet God can still speak through you, we’re saying He doesn’t deliver a clean message through an unclean vessel or orifice.
“A fool’s lips enter into argument, and his mouth calls for strokes. A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul” (Proverbs 18:6-7 MKJV).
Proverbs 26:6-10 ESV
(6) Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence.
(7) Like a lame man’s legs, which hang useless, is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
(8) Like one who binds the stone in the sling is one who gives honor to a fool.
(9) Like a thorn that goes up into the hand of a drunkard is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
(10) Like an archer who wounds everyone is one who hires a passing fool or drunkard.
And isn’t that what you’ve proven here, trying to be wise and butchering the truth?
You quote a statement from our previous letter:
“We speak for the Lord and His salvation of all, but you speak only for yourself and your own sake. That’s why you’ve suffered the things you have from others with no reward from God.”
Contesting it as follows:
“I speak only for myself and my own sake? I truly hope that was a rare blip in your pristine discernment. Along with, suffering things from others with no reward from God. Really? That’s not what I said and is clearly speculation on your part. What I had shared with you was that when I eagerly tried to share truths with people who were not prepared by the Holy Spirit to receive it, things didn’t go well. And, truly, I’ve gotten far more reward from God than I would ever have imagined.”
That’s not what you said before:
“The only result I could see from all my efforts was the damage to my relationships. All my relationships. I expect to suffer for the truth, but what God showed me is that like Cain, often I offered my works instead of being led always by the Holy Spirit. If it isn’t Spirit led, it’s Spirit dead.”
If you suffered for making the offerings of Cain as confessed (and we believe it to be so), then you weren’t suffering on account of the Lord’s righteousness with commensurate reward. You suffered as a fool.
“He who kills an ox is as if he killed a man; he who sacrifices a lamb is as if he broke a dog’s neck; he who offers an offering is as if he offered swine’s blood; he who burns incense is as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations” (Isaiah 66:3 MKJV).
Speculation on our part, or confusion and losing track of your own words on yours?
And what’s with the snarky “pristine judgment” statement? If we’re wrong, we’ll gladly be corrected (thanks to God and His grace). But if we’ve been speaking God’s judgment, then you’re mocking Him.
Next you say Victor is using logic and reason to speculate about Cain. Clearly you’re doing this in the scenario outlined in your letter, but I don’t see Victor speculating in his statement quote in your letter:
“Cain was operating in this love when he made his sacrifice to God, in order not to give to Him, but to get from Him. His giving had a selfish motivation and goal. That’s why his sacrifice was not accepted.”
You say you generally agree with the statement, but I don’t see Victor offering a logical explanation based on speculation as you do in your scenario. And that’s where you run into trouble:
“Now, using logic, I believe Adam and Eve witnessed God slay the animal for a couple of reasons.
First, to realize the how serious their offense was, and also to see how to perform future sacrifices and to know what was required. Also, to instruct future generations,(Cain and Able?)
Cain and Able sacrificed to the Lord, He then obviously had instituted a sacrificial system.
Cain brought the ‘fruit of the ground’ in which he toiled and ‘had not respect’ of God.
Able brought ‘of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof’, and God had respect unto Able and his offering. Cain offered the work of his hands and Able offered the requirement, blood.”
You presume that God made an animal sacrifice to atone for their sin and speculate on top of that, but nowhere is such a thing stated or confirmed in the Scriptures. The only sacrifice God ever made was through His Son:
Hebrews 10:4-8 MKJV
(4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
(5) Therefore when He comes into the world, He says, “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but You have prepared a body for Me.
(6) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have had no pleasure.
(7) Then I said, Lo, I come (in the volume of the Book it is written of Me) to do Your will, O God.”
(8) Above, when He said, “Sacrifice and offering, and burnt offerings and offering for sin You did not desire, neither did You have pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the Law),
The issue has always been faith, not blood sacrifice. The offering up of our lives by faith is what God is after.
“That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the nations, ministering the Gospel of God, so that the offering up of the nations might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Spirit” (Romans 15:16 MKJV).
This is how Abel pleased God (and Cain didn’t), by the giving up of himself through faith, which has nothing to do with a literal blood sacrifice (not that Abel didn’t offer one, of course). Abraham made this kind of sacrifice with Isaac without shedding blood – the ram was given by God to confirm the prophetic words – “And Abraham said, My son, God will provide Himself a lamb for a burnt offering” (Genesis 22:8 MKJV).
You’re fixated on form, not faith, having gone astray in the logic of your own faulty thinking.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor your ways My ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9 MKJV).
Finally:
“My prayer for you, Victor, and Paul is that the Lord will continue to use you in mighty ways to His Glory and you’ll be protected and greatly blessed for all the sacrifices you have made.”
All by His grace, all by His grace.
Paul and Victor
From: Ed
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: Re[5]: Rick Joyner
Hello again Paul, Victor. Thank you for continuing this conversation that we may better understand each other. Originally, I wrote to you out of concern that judging and tearing down others isn’t in anybody’s best interest. I’m not accusing you of this, but stating that it may appear that way on your web site. I was trying to express concern while not coming against God’s Anointed.
That said, I’m a bit confused when you say;
“We forgive you – no problem there. While we weren’t offended”
Then you go into a diatribe about the back side of a horse. So which way is it?
You seem to have a propensity toward the “literal” when symbolism was obviously being used.
Look, I got the message, I’m sorry, perhaps now we can move on to greener pastures.
For my works that weren’t Spirit led, (therefore Spirit dead), yes, I suffered as a fool.
I’ve been generously rewarded by God for my works that were Spirit led.
You said;
“Next you say Victor is using logic and reason to speculate about Cain. Clearly you’re doing this in the scenario outlined in your letter, but I don’t see Victor speculating in his statement quote in your letter:
OK, here’s Victor’s statement, let’s see how it lines up with Scripture.
“Cain was operating in this love when he made his sacrifice to God, in order not to give to Him, but to get from Him. His giving had a selfish motivation and goal. That’s why his sacrifice was not accepted.”
Please underline in the account below where Cain’s type of love is stated.
Please underline where it says Cain “in order not to give to Him, but to get from Him.”
Please underline where Cain’s selfish motivation and goal is stated.
Please underline where it says why Cain’s sacrifice was not accepted.
Perhaps you use a translation that does in fact declare all these things.
Again, you may be generally correct about Cain, but not your conclusion.
“Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.” KJV
So tell me, have you ever explained who Cain’s wife was? Did you say she was Cain’s sister? The Bible does not state any such thing, so either you don’t know who Cain’s wife is, or you looked at what the Bible does say;
Gen 5:4 “And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:” KJV
And you come to a logical conclusion based on what God has said. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that Cain’s wife was his sister. Further, to see it otherwise would be adding to Scripture. God gave us minds and expects us to use them.
Paul, you say;
“You presume that God made an animal sacrifice to atone for their sin and speculate on top of that, but nowhere is such a thing stated or confirmed in the Scriptures. The only sacrifice God ever made was through His Son:”
Not what I said Paul. Had you not omitted it, you may have seen what I did say;
“Briefly, the covering was physical but more importantly the symbolic covering for sin. The shedding of blood was essential;”
Covering, not atone, I believe there is a difference. However, please let me say that I agree with you, faith has always been the issue. Able, by faith, offered what God had commanded, Abraham, by faith, offered what God commanded, in both cases the shedding of blood was required but what’s more important is their obedience, which is the result of FAITH lived out.
Faith is the currency of Heaven, without it we cannot please God. It’s always been about faith.
The account of Cain and Able that I sent you is sound, and is in harmony with the Scriptures. Victor’s statement about Cain and the type of love he was operating in adds another layer to the revelation with no conflict either with the Bible or the account I offered.
May God bless your work and dedication for His Glory
Ed
From: Paul and Victor
To: Ed
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 8:26 AM
Subject: Re[7]: Rick Joyner
“Does a fountain send forth at the same hole the sweet and the bitter? Can the fig tree, my brothers, bear olive berries; or a vine, figs? So no fountain can yield both salt water and fresh” (James 3:11-12 MKJV).
Ed, do rebuke and correction only come from those offended? And where’s the “diatribe”? Oh, how you hate the truth!
You first came to us intending to correct us, and made this claim about the material you quoted to do so: “I believe the Lord urged me to send a portion of the ‘the Final Quest’.”
Now you write: “Originally, I wrote to you out of concern that judging and tearing down others isn’t in anybody’s best interest. I’m not accusing you of this, but stating that it may appear that way on your web site. I was trying to express concern while not coming against God’s Anointed.”
If the Lord urged you to send that portion, then wasn’t He addressing us for causing harm by “tearing down others,” presumably His brethren? Could it be any plainer? Certainly you know that the Lord doesn’t send murky messages when correcting His people:
“For also if a trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for the battle?” (1 Corinthians 14:8 MKJV)
So here you are trying to back out of taking responsibility for the things you’ve said by claiming you were “trying to express concern
while not coming against God’s anointed.” If God had sent you to deliver a message to us, is His correction for evil? So how could you be coming against His anointed, except if He wasn’t sending you to deliver those words of correction? And since you were coming against His anointed who speak His words, in condemning us you were finding fault with Him.
Using God to justify your false accusations of us, you’ve taken His Name in vain and aren’t held guiltless. You venture thoughts and feelings without any proof or knowing what you’re talking about, but what is far worse, you won’t receive correction. You’re a bastard, not a son of God. Woe to you for usurping His rightful place and speaking lies in His Name.
You’re right that Victor’s words about Cain are consistent with the Biblical record. You’re wrong, however, that your words and reasonings about Cain are consistent with the Bible. They’re not, as I’ve shown, but you can’t hear the Truth and refuse its entry.
In summary, we could almost agree with you that your words are indeed coming from a horse’s ass, except we would be thereby denigrating horse excrement, which provides good fertilizer, building the land. What comes out of you and your carnal imagination is toxic, bringing forth death and destruction wherever it’s spread and received.
We do understand you, Ed, but you don’t know us or the Lord:
1 Corinthians 2:14-16 MKJV
(14) But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(15) But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
(16) For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
You have been brought here for judgment, according to Christ’s mind. Thus says the Lord.
Paul and Victor
From: Ed
To: The Path of Truth
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:15 PM
Subject: God’s Words
Victor and Paul,
“Son of man, receive all My Words which I shall speak to you in your heart, and hear with your ears.”
“He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands, says these things. I know your works and your labor and your patience, and how you cannot bear those who are evil. And you tried those pretending to be apostles, and are not, and have found them liars. And you have borne, and have patience, and for My name’s sake you have labored and have not fainted.
But I have against you that you left your first love.”
“Who are you that judges another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. But he will stand, for God is able to make him stand.”
Be humbled before the Lord, and He will lift you up. Do not speak against one another, brothers. He who speaks against his brother, and who judges his brother, speaks against the Law and judges the Law. But if you judge the Law, you are not a doer of the Law, but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you who judges another?”
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another. By this all shall know that you are My disciples, if you have love toward one another. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He who does not love his brother abides in death.
Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and will remove your lampstand out of its place unless you repent. But you have this, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the Tree of Life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.”
“(He)…who fed you in the wilderness with manna which your fathers did not know, so that He might humble you and so that He might prove you, to do you good in your latter end,” MKJV
From: Victor and Paul
To: Ed
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: God’s Words
Samuel Johnson once said, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel,” but we say it’s religiosity.
If you think you can pretend fidelity with God and claim righteousness by quoting Scripture without understanding or reality, think again. God is not at all pleased with you.
Face it, Ed, you’re religious, dishonest, unreasonable, and dead. And therefore, while you say you see, your sin remains.
So let it be as you choose – go with your gods and be destroyed with them.
We have nothing to do with one who can’t be honest with himself and with God.
Victor and Paul
From: Ed
To: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: God’s Words
Victor, Paul, I assume this will be our last correspondence by what you said in your latest letter. Thank you for your time and effort.
I don’t apologize for troubling you about your words of judgment towards fellow believers, even though my concern for you was obviously unwanted.
It’s really sad, you guys have some great reform points. One being “The Reconciliation of All Things” which I’d hoped to talk to you about, but you chose to throw stones instead of having a meaningful discussion.
Fault finding, name calling, hurling insults and curses at people is far below you two. Victor, Paul, you have much to offer, and you have so much potential to be great in God’s Kingdom for all eternity. Being accusers of the brethren is not taking you toward the glorious future God has for you.
If indeed you two are in the First Fruits Company, you will find that your arrogance will not be tolerated much longer. Humble yourselves and be broken or be found with the rest of the Pharisees and be ground to powder. The Pharisees had the Truth and knew the Truth but failed to receive the Truth in themselves. It’s not Truth you lack, Victor, Paul, but love and humility.
Repent.
Please, know the time of your visitation.
Last call.
Ed