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Debunking Fallen Angel Myths

From: Brown Family
To: The Path of Truth
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:29 PM
Subject: False teaching??

In short, the subject of fallen angels and what they did to the women of men has been debatable for sometime. Because the Bible doesn’t clarify in detail about this subject, there are references in the Bible that strongly suggest there was giants during that time in history. Let’s not forget that the supernatural is a real force from God as well as Satan and his demons. Yes, all we need to focus on is the Cross!! But to reference Bible scriptures for further study is not forbidden. There is reliable resources that would suggest that there was a time period in history that is not recorded in detail about the giants existence. 

Fossil and skeletal remains have prove the existence as well! Of course BIG Brother has covered up most the findings which defies the truth and maintains mainstream theology about Darwinism. Darwinism is Satan’s BIG LIE to the world. Proving the existence of Giants would be supported by the Word of God and flip Darwinism upside down! I don’t know why some Christians have a hard time understanding that Angels rebelled against God by leaving their place of residence, finding women of men attractive, having sexual relations, thus being punished by God!!! Yes we live in the 21st century and are far removed from our ancestors such that we have a hard time imagining that something like this could ever happen. Many Christians think that our current time in history is deplorable and Sadistic. This is true, but for what is coming doesn’t compare as Jesus said, “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.” (Luke 17:26) The world during Noah’s time suggest that there was a race of Giants along with other unnatural living creatures. Thus man became corrupt because of this evil presence on the earth. The Flood ensued.

Please explain why this study on scriptures (32 in fact) that talk about Giants be excused?

From: Paul Cohen
To: Brown Family
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: False teaching??

“Brown Family,” you’re confusing the “giants” of Genesis 6 with the giants in the land of Canaan, such as: 

“For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? Nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man” (Deuteronomy 3:11 KJV).

The root word used for giants in this verse is different from the word used for the offspring produced by the sons of God who went into the daughters of men in Genesis 6:4. Read about the latter here: Giants Who Bring Humanity Down

Angels of God and devils don’t physically mate with human beings – you won’t find that in the Bible. (You reference a study on giants in the Scriptures, but none is linked or attached.)

As for the cross, read: The Cross – Only the Death Sentence Will Avail

Paul

From: Brown Family
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: False teaching??

  Paul,

 I have question, is there any mention in the Bible about angels not being able to mate. I’m not talking about “not marrying”. These are two different things. Angels can obviously rebel against God and there is no mention about Angels not being capable of mating. Jesus clearly stated that the angels “in heaven” do not do this, but He did not say whether they were capable of doing such a deed. Also, He specifically pointed out that the ones “in heaven” don’t do this. But what about the angels who left their proper abode and are currently being held in chains of darkness because of the sinful activity they engaged in during Noah’s day (1 Peter 3:19-20; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6)? 

Another note, fossil records at the time of the Flood period shows that life forms were at enormous size. Dr. Carl Baugh -http://www.creationevidence.org/. I believe God works through men to expose darkness. Dr. Carl Baugh is one of those men. We are not robots with narrow minds. Having said all of this, the supernatural is at work constantly -good & evil! There is nothing I can think of that is Heresy regarding the Giants before & after the flood existing through rebellious angels mating with women. Scripture does imply this which continues to be debatable. The result of all of this supports creation and not evolution. The question is “doesn’t the Holy Spirit reveal truths to us as believers even if it is not written word for word?”

Sincerely,

Brown Family

From: Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk
To: Brown Family
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 7:56 AM
Subject: Re[3]: False teaching??

Who is the “Brown Family”? To whom are we speaking? 

But what about the angels who left their proper abode and are currently being held in chains of darkness because of the sinful activity they engaged in during Noah’s day (1 Peter 3:19-20; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6)?

The word used there is “spirits,” referring to human beings, as in: 

“To the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Hebrews 12:23 MKJV).

The spirits Jesus preached to were the people in need of repentance and restoration who perished during the flood – “….who formerly disobeyed, when the longsuffering of God was waiting in the days of Noah, when the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water” (1 Peter 3:20 EMTV).

The word “angel” can also refer to human messengers, as in this translation of the underlying Greek word used in Jude 6 and 2 Peter 2:4:

“For this is the one of whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger [Greek, angelos] before Your face, who shall prepare Your way before You’” (Matthew 11:10 MKJV).

And because there were giants doesn’t prove they were the result of “rebellious angels mating with women.” In fact, it doesn’t even suggest such a thing, which, if examined logically, is frankly a preposterous notion. But we don’t need to examine or belabor the matter any further. The Scriptures we have given you are sufficient to dispel your theory. The real issue for you here is that you need to get real, beginning with Repentance and the Obedience of  Faith. You’ve never turned to the Lord Jesus Christ or known Him. 

This also answers your question:

The question is ‘doesn’t the Holy Spirit reveal truths to us as believers even if it is not written word for word?’

What we have just told you is the Word of the Lord, Jesus Christ coming in the flesh by His Spirit. We’re not simply reciting Scriptures for you, but the Lord Himself has revealed your heart of independence from God. What truth could be more important for you to hear? The things you’re engaging in are totally inconsequential, even diverting you from the truth you need to hear and face. 

Paul and Victor

From: Brown Family
To: Paul and Victor
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: False teaching??

Where do you source (what translation) the word used “spirits” referring to human beings instead of angels? Also, you stated “examined logically”. You hit the nail on the head. Nothing is revealed logically when it comes to God’s word. It is the Holy Spirit that gives us understanding. You don’t “logically” understand the Bible. That’s how some churches rationalize homosexuality through logic!! Yes!!!!! Our focus is on the Cross!! I have said that in past correspondence!! Paul, you can spend time looking into other verses and it’s meanings besides the one’s you mentioned below. I admire your focus! But that doesn’t mean you cannot study the whole word of God! And I think we can agree that their are those who would rather not talk or teach about some things in the “Word of God” fearing refute in the church! Which is an age-old problem!!!

C. Brown

[About half an hour later, “C” wrote:]

Paul,

Just researched the version you are using MKJV. For your sake you need to dump this version ASAP!! It omits the the words “Holy Spirit”  88 times! from the previous versions along with a long list of changes. BEAWARE!!! Subtle changes from the truth corrupts God’s Word!! God has already warned us of that! Revelation 22:18-19 , Deuteronomy 4:2 ,Proverbs 30:5-6 [links defunct]

From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Brown Family
Cc: Paul Cohen
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: False teaching??

“C,” from your letter just prior to this one: “Where do you source (what translation) the word used “spirits” referring to human beings instead of angels?

Here’s the original Greek word from the Textus Receptus manuscripts, as defined by James Strong in the KJV concordance. There is no incongruity on the part of the MKJV for Hebrews 12:23. 

G4151

πνεῦμα

pneuma

pnyoo’-mah

From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: – ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

G5590

ψυχή

psuchē

psoo-khay’

From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: – heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

We are well aware of error in the MKJV as with the KJV and nearly every other translation we’ve used. Where any translation is unacceptable in a certain passage, we endeavor to avoid using it. 

Just as we have demonstrated the MKJV to be an accurate translation of the original in this instant, now show us where we have gone wrong with using the MKJV; finding error, we will correct. Let’s talk specifics and not generalities, and perhaps more importantly, reality and not religiosity, the latter of which seems to be rather abundant with you.

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[About fifteen minutes later, Victor wrote:]

We’re speaking the logic and reason of the Lord Jesus Christ and not of man, “C.”

“Now therefore stand still, that I may reason [H8199] with you before the LORD of all the righteous acts of the LORD, which he did to you and to your fathers” (1 Samuel 12:7 KJV).

H8199

שׁפט

shâphaṭ

shaw-fat’

A primitive root; to judge, that is, pronounce sentence (for or against); by implication to vindicate or punish; by extension to govern; passively to litigate (literally or figuratively): –  + avenge, X that condemn, contend, defend, execute (judgment), (be a) judge (-ment), X needs, plead, reason, rule.

Come now, and let us reason [H3198] together, says Jehovah; though your sins are as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be like wool. (Isaiah 1:18 MKJV)

H3198

יכח

yâkach

yaw-kakh’

A primitive root; to be right (that is, correct); reciprocally to argue; causatively to decide, justify or convict: – appoint, argue, chasten, convince, correct (-ion), daysman, dispute, judge, maintain, plead, reason (together), rebuke, reprove (-r), surely, in any wise.

Aren’t you being rather unreasonable, now?

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