At the time of our main conversation with Harold Green, the following conversation also took place:
Harold, did you know that we know this and identify with it?:
“I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin” (Romans 7:25 MKJV).
We have served both and preach so. We see you, however, serving the law of sin with your mind, though professing otherwise, because that is all you have. You cannot serve the Law of God with your mind because it has not been redeemed and transformed. Your mind is still in the flesh, where only sin can be served. Is that not so?
So you DO admit you have “trouble in the flesh”. You have never answered my question; Do you profess you have never walked in your flesh and sinned since you were saved?
Waiting for this one.
All believers have trouble in the flesh; we have never taught otherwise, accuser and liar. Those who chose to marry would not sin if they did so, Paul declared. He did say, however, they would have trouble in the flesh. How then can they not sin and have trouble in the flesh if both are sin? You are a fool, Harold.
Paul the apostle had trouble in the flesh, a messenger from Satan to buffet him, as he defined it. That is not sin, Harold. Your state and attitude, however, is one of pure sin, rebellion against God, an arrogance combined with ignorance that reaches to the heavens. You have stumbled on the Stone, having come here, and you are dead. Satan, we know you and your ways. Beat it.
Should that be by my works or by sheer grace, Harold? If by grace, do I need grace to avail myself of it, or shall it be simply given me, without any effort on my part, seeing “ALL WORKS” are worthless, as you have more than once put it?
I personally think you need to repent of your false repentance–Remember, repent means to Change your mind NOT OF WORKS. Maybe you need to GET SAVED BY GRACE. But I think you have been bewitched, Pray and ask God to show you the truth.
What you personally think matters to you, but it matters nothing to God or to us. You came to our site, the throne room of God, as though you were walking into an outhouse, ready to do as you pleased, though uninvited, unauthorized, ignorant, presumptuous, and clearly foolish. All you have ever known is an outhouse for your throne room, Harold.
Still, your judgment is complete and you will not walk away the same. You think you can stop your ears, open your blasphemous mouth, and spread your oral and spiritual defecation anywhere, but you have found your bounds; you have met your Maker.
Though many have rejected you, with good enough cause, few have been able to speak the truth to you for your sake, not knowing any better themselves. We know better and speak from the Lord what you need to hear.
We have been born of the Eternal Nature and cannot sin by that Sinless Nature, being His sons. We have spoken the Truth to you by His grace, and you have not been able to hear us by the sinful nature you are deceived into thinking is saved. Furthermore, you are guilty of presuming to spread your fecal matter in His Presence and will give an account for all your legalistic, stubborn, truth-counterfeiting malarkey. Go your way, proud man, and as you insist, destroy yourself and those with you.
Victor’s words [emphasis added by Harold]:
“You came to our site, the throne room of God, as though you were walking into your own outhouse, ready to do as you pleased, though uninvited, unauthorized, ignorant, presumptuous and clearly foolish. But all you have ever known is an outhouse for your throne room, Harold.”
“Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?” (Acts 7:49)
Victor’s words [emphasis added by Harold]:
“Furthermore, you are guilty of presuming to spread your fecal matter in His Presence and will give an account for all your legalistic, stubborn, truth-counterfeiting malarkey. Go your way, proud man, and as you insist, destroy yourself and those with you.”
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
“Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.” (Hebrews 4:12-13)
You have nearly outdone yourself with your words. God’s throne is HEAVEN, my friend. You actually presume to declare your website is God’s throne room? Think at what you are saying! Read the Word, Victor. The Bible is His Word–you borrow the terminology then be-little it as secondary to your “voices”.
Here is where you have gone astray. Those “voices” you have exalted above HIS HOLY WORD from the mouth of HIS HOLY PROPHETS. You have rejected THE TRUE VOICE GOD; the more sure Word of prophesy, HIS HOLY WORD and replaced it with a lying spirit.
(1Ki 22:23) “Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.”
This lying spirit has bewitched you, Victor! I will pray for you to be released and those you have influenced to reject THE TRUE VOICE OF GOD. I believe you to be a sincere man, but please see where these “voices” have taken you! It has blinded you to the truth.
You will know that all I have said is true. Our site is of Heaven, with, in, and by Him. And I am that prophet spoken of in Deuteronomy 18, John 1, Acts 3, and Acts 7.
What you have been saying is contrary to the Word. You are NOT A PROPHET! Again, look where this evil spirit has taken you for denying God’s Word.
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2Thess. 2:11)
This lying spirit has bewitched you, Victor! I will pray for you to be released by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST and those you have influenced to reject THE TRUE VOICE OF GOD. I believe you to be a sincere man, but please see where these “voices” have taken you! It has blinded you to the truth.
Not only are we prophets, Paul and I, but I am “that prophet.” And what voices are they to which you refer? Have we spoken of them to you? Have you not heard that His sheep hear His voice? But you have listened to the voices of strangers because you are not His. You have never heard His Voice (you don’t even claim to, so foreign is the truth to you) and you do not hear His Words by us, even as He and John declared of such as you. Thus is fulfilled Enoch’s prophecy, as recorded by Jude. We are among the myriads with Him, bringing judgment and rebuke to the ungodly by His Word, which is like fire, burning, and you, like stubble.
Of such as you it is written:
Jude 1:8-13 MKJV
(8) Likewise, indeed, also these dreaming ones even defile flesh, and despise rulership, and speak evil of glories.
(9) But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the Devil, he argued about the body of Moses, he dared not bring a judgment of blasphemy, but said, Let the Lord rebuke you!
(10) But what things they do not know, they speak evil of. And what things they understand naturally, like the animals without reason, they are corrupted by these.
(11) Woe to them! For they went the way of Cain, and gave themselves up to the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah.
(12) These are sunken rocks in your love feasts, feasting together with you; feeding themselves without fear; waterless clouds being carried about by winds; fruitless autumn trees, having died twice, having been plucked up by the roots;
(13) wild waves of the sea foaming up their shames; wandering stars for whom blackness of darkness has been kept forever.
And: “These are murmurers, complainers, leading lives according to their lusts. And their mouth speaks proud things, admiring faces for the sake of gain” (Jude 1:16 MKJV).
2 Timothy 3:1-9 MKJV
(1) Know this also, that in the last days grievous times will be at hand.
(2) For men will be self-lovers, money-lovers, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
(3) without natural affection, unyielding, false accusers, without self-control, savage, despisers of good,
(4) traitors, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
(5) having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these.
(6) For of these are those who creep into houses and lead captive silly women loaded with sins, led away with different kinds of lusts,
(7) ever learning and never able to come to the full knowledge of the truth.
(8) But as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so these also resist the truth, men of corrupt mind, reprobate concerning the faith.
(9) But they shall proceed no further. For their foolishness shall be plain to all, as theirs also became.
You can fool yourself and a few others, but you can’t fool God or those He sends to flush you out.
I have caught you both in errors, Victor. I have them recorded on hard copy. Stop this charade in Jesus Name!
True prophets of God, who speak in the name of the LORD, do not make errors:
Deut 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deut 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deut 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deut 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God.
The wicked religious “caught Jesus in errors,” too, and they perished. He has not erred in sending us and putting words in our mouth to speak to one who stops his ears and crows like an early morning rooster, not knowing that soon his head will come off.
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How great is the pressure in politics and public life to capitulate to those who promote sin. This correspondence took place in 2003, regarding Member of Parliament Larry Spencer’s apology for statements made about homosexuality. Though in some respects his statements were inadvisable, they did not warrant a complete retraction. Sin is sin, and those who know it are more responsible for calling it what it is.
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