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Definition of False Teacher: One
who presumes to teach in the Name of the Lord when God has not sent
him.
Bill Stevenson – “Bible
Lover Bill”
Blind Bibliolatry
“You search the Scriptures,
for in them you think you have eternal life. And they are the ones
witnessing of
Me, and you will not come to Me that you might have life. I do not
receive honor from men. But I know you, that you do not have the
love of God in you. I have come in My Father's Name, and you do not
receive Me. If another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.
How can you believe, you who receive honor from one another and do
not seek the honor that comes from God only?” (John
5:39-44 MKJV)
In 2006 we corresponded with the self-styled “Bible Lover Bill.” Bill
sent us one of Anton Bosch's writings, which we judged and posted in
our “False
Teachers” section. Four years later, Bill found Anton's
posting and complained to us because we mentioned him at the
beginning as the one who sent us the
article, we saying he did so because he is in enmity with God and
the truth.
What about Matthew 18:15 and the Golden Rule? Facts: I don't know
you or Anton. And you both don't know me. You certainly cannot mind
read especially since I live so far away from you. You probably have
never gone to my websites either. I think that I sent the indicated
article to my whole e-mail list at the time. It was just a list of
scripture. It had no accusations.
I await your apology. God hates slander. I have been a victim of such
due to my German wife. I will need to return to the USA soon.
I have been doing
fulltime Internet ministering for almost seven years in Germany.
I have had much success in doing proper spiritual encouragement,
Biblical teaching and counseling, blogging, intercessory praying, Bible
study tool developing, and "watchman on the wall" warning
to USAers. Romans 8:1 applies to me and most of the time I live Proverbs
3:5-6. Do you do the latter? The following was not Holy Spirit urged
because of the lies in it about me.
Living for God,
Bible lover Bill
Romans 8:28, Philippians 4:4-8, & Proverbs 3:5-6
Paul's reply:
Bill,
You ask us, “What about Matthew 18:15?”
The Scripture says:
“But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell
him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have
gained your brother” (Matthew 18:15 MKJV).
Have you truly forgotten our personal correspondence from four years
ago in which we showed you your shortfall and sin before God? The fact
that you have forgotten or repressed it tells us that you have not
repented and are yet in your sin.
After you rejected our sound words and Scriptural truth, we let you
go. We didn’t take this correspondence to others because you
are not a brother or part of the Body of Christ. We had exposed you
as a false convert, a Bible lover who doesn’t love the Bible
because you are a Christian who doesn’t know and love the Lord
Jesus Christ. You are one who talks, but doesn’t walk.
We will now post our correspondence with you in our False Teachers
section, in order to expose your evil ways that others might have opportunity
to repent and learn to fear God, while yet others who walk in your
sin of presumption and self-exaltation might be judged as you are.
In our correspondence [below], you will see that
you sent us Anton’s
article, not as part of a mailer sent to your email list, as you claim,
but as a personal statement directed towards us. Here are the words
you wrote to Victor in that letter:
“You are just a false accuser and doing
what Satan wants. God hates those who try to 'sow discord amongst
the brethren'.
Arguing is not productive. You misuse and disrespect God’s Word.
Romans 8:1 applies to me and to Brother Jennings and to Anne and to
two others who also discerned your serious problems.
So we see that your “facts” are false, and our “lies” are
not lies. You are in error and delusion, confounded because yet in
your sin. God has hardened your heart for destruction.
You say you don’t know Anton, yet there you are, distributing
his writing as if it has godly value. (After receiving your letter
we have updated his posting with more material; read it at Anton
Bosch - Correcting a Fool.)
You say we can’t know you because
you are so far away, as if the Spirit of God in us is subject
to physical sight and distance
and cannot
discern good and evil. At every turn you declare that you are
in gross darkness, not knowing the right hand from the left, the spirit
from
the flesh, and not able to
exercise any discernment whatsoever, yet you sit as judge over
us and all
things. You hypocrite! You deny
Jesus
Christ in order to make yourself God. You are antiChrist.
Whether or not you suffer because your wife is German is immaterial.
The point is that you certainly don’t suffer for the Word of
God, Jesus Christ. Any suffering on your part is as a religious fool.
You boast of your works and of yourself, using the same Scriptures
you gave us four years ago as applying to yourself, with only
your word as testimony. Your fruits show otherwise, Bill - that you
vaunt yourself in the works of the flesh. Such boasting is evil. All
that you take pride in is to be destroyed in the fires of God, to which
we have delivered you by the Word of God.
Regarding which, there is one true thing you wrote to us several years
ago:
“And only God's Word is guaranteed not
to come back void. Any statements by me are not given that guarantee.”
A candid admission on your part that you do not speak the Word of
God. “For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Revelation
19:10).
You are not among the brethren who have the testimony of Jesus, and
you do not receive them. Again, you are antiChrist. And that’s
why you are offended by the Truth.
Paul Cohen
Bill's reply:
You don't know me and I don't know you. I remember a forum group argument
with a man who was named Victor, who had liked my Bible study tools
but then suddenly turned against me. And the only thing else I remember
negative 4 years ago was an argument with 3 who were leaders of a small
cult. I guess that group included you. But a lot has happened in my
life since that time.
The below article etc. [our Anton Bosch posting] is the only negative
thing that comes up when one does a Google or Yahoo search for Bible
lover
Bill.
Your
response
to my inquiry shows that are not Christ-like. You are the false accuser
and doing what Satan wants. Romans 8:1 applies to me and I do live
Proverbs 3:5-6 most of the time and do full time Great Commission ministries
via the Internet so that I am living by the Holy Spirit like Romans
8 and Galatians 5 indicate that we should do. If I was such a horrible
false convert like you claim, then God would not have blessed me with
over 100 Bible study tools and my Internet ministries helping hundreds
if not thousands during the past 6 years. And you cannot find anything
unBiblical in my Bible study tools. I don't promote theories and opinions
like you do and condemn others like you do. No true Christian will
condemn anyone. I hope that you get right with God before it is too
late.
Onward for whatever He wants,
Bill
Paul then shared with Bill their correspondence with him from
2006; here is Bill's summary and reply:
My statements are true and the Bible supports all of them. Victor's
statements are not. Case is closed. I obey 2 Timothy 3:5.
Now we share that correspondence with you, dear
readers, so you can see the evidence and decide for yourselves what
is the truth....
When we invited Bill Stevenson - “Bible Lover Bill” -
to receive The Issues of Life,
he sent us 35 of his Bible studies and later asked if we had red
them. Victor’s
reply:
Hi Bill,
I skimmed your Bible studies - not all, but some. There is much knowledge
and labor there...and that is the problem. I see a burdensome, laborious
bondage to knowledge. Truly, I see you eating from the Tree of Knowledge
of Good and Evil. Yes, it is Scripture and yes, one can find some good
things. But it is like trying to put on a shoe or a glove three sizes
too small. It is like searching the discarded chaff for a few kernels
of wheat, or trying to sip water through a wheat stem when thirsty
on a hot day. We have learned the true meaning of the Lord’s
words:
Matthew 11:28-30 GNB
(28) “Come to Me, all of you who are tired from carrying heavy
loads, and I will give you rest.
(29) Take My yoke and put it on you, and learn from Me, because I am
gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest.
(30) For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put
on you is light.”
I can understand why you would call yourself “Bible
Lover Bill.” I
also once had that drive to know the Bible and every aspect of it,
every letter, to the fullest, and wanted everyone to know it. I had
the desire to excel in knowledge of it so that it did not matter what
one would ask me or wish to discuss, I would know the answer and be
able to give many references as backup. It was a matter of pride, though
I did not recognize it as such then.
I became overwhelmed with the impossibility of it, for I knew that
if I spent several lifetimes searching out the Scriptures and the meanings,
it would not be sufficient. Then the Lord gave me His Spirit on January
1, 1975, and how wonderful an emancipation that was! The answer is
the Spirit of Truth, the complete Bible within! He made me free, as
He promised:
“You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John
8:32 GNB).
Upon receiving the Holy Spirit of God, of Jesus Christ, I
now had the entire Word in me and I came to experience the reality
of John’s
words:
“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all
things” (1
John 2:20 MKJV).
“But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you,
and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing
teaches
you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He
has taught you, abide in Him” (1 John 2:27 MKJV).
Having
the Spirit of God, and not repentance only, one will know
true doctrine from false. I can see from your material
that we
teach things you would judge to be false, and you teach some
doctrines of devils, as you may see in Diabolical
Doctrines and The
Restitution of All Things.
Jesus said to the religious:
“You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal
life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me” (John
5:39 MKJV).
When I was converted, the Bible became a new
Book, but when I received the Spirit, I became the Book
and the Book
me.
The One
of Whom
the Scriptures testify took me to Himself, filled me with
Himself, and
now I thirst no more. He is my knowledge. I rest in Him,
thankfully, O how thankfully!
Read my story in Our Testimonies and read The
Baptism in the Holy Spirit. That should help you understand
what I
am saying
and testifying
to you. I do not condemn or fault you, Bill. We all have
to come to our times and places as the Lord gives. I
only speak
what
I know. If you receive The
Issues of Life, you will find,
Lord willing,
that
we are in life, with real issues and real people. That
is the will of God, Bill, not knowledge, except that
it is in
knowing
Him.
“Therefore let us fear, lest while the promise remains to enter
into His rest, any one of you seems to have fallen short.
For indeed we have had the Gospel preached to us just as those also; but the
Word
which they heard did not profit those, not having been
mixed with faith in those having heard it. For we who have believed enter that
rest, as He has said: So I swore in My wrath, they shall
not enter
My rest, although His works were finished from the foundation
of the world” (Hebrews 4:1-3 EMTV).
The Lord grant you deliverance from
laboring by the sweat of your brow, and grace to partake of the Tree of Life,
through faith,
Victor
Bill wrote to his friends:
How would you respond
to this? I only sent them 35 of the PFHL courses that were just collections
of Scripture logically grouped and some
in the indention format at the same time I sent them to that Greek
Orthodox “Top George”. In those courses there is no commentary
at all. Most of the assignments were just writing essays.
I am not a theologian as he indicates. I am not eating from the Tree
of good and evil. I am just doing what the Holy Spirit urges. I received
the baptism of the Holy Spirit in early 1975 on my bed. None of these
Bible study courses took any sweat or work at all. I have never felt
like I was working when the Holy Spirit was guiding me in such developing.
It has all been just enjoyable usage of time. He has never had me do
any of them in one sitting either. Usually the delays in the middle
for needed real life experiences so I would understand the rest to
come. I have never felt in any of them I was putting any effort on
my part. It is such a wonderful feeling. It is a special form of divine
grace. I now have the feeling that I am arriving to a good response
to this challenge.
I looked at their website and it seems that they have started a cult
based on spiritual theories and spiritual philosophy, not based on
the Bible.
I look forward to your responses.
Your friend in Germany,
Bill
Bill sent us a response from one of his friends:
Note: This is from one of the best Christians I have met in Yahoo
360.
If this wasn’t
such a serious accusation, it would be hilarious. Come on! Since
when is it wrong to study the Bible!!!!!!
Doesn’t
Joshua 1:8 say “This Book of the Law shall not
depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day
and night,
that you may observe to do according to all that is written in
it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will
have
good success”? Isn’t that kind of advice repeated all
over the Bible. Doesn’t the Bible say all Scripture is useful
for exhortation, reproach, edification, etc.?
Since when is subjective
experience as valid as Scripturally based knowledge?
One may find “some good things in the Bible”???????
So the Bible is like a book of fables?????
I have witnessed
many people in bondage to knowledge, even Bible
knowledge. Yes, hypocrites who know the Bible very well but
don’t
live one bit of it, and are proud because of their knowledge.
But I would never think the problem is in the person having studied
the
Bible!!!!!! Proverbs states clearly that the beginning of wisdom
is the fear of the Lord (a loving reverence for Him, a hatred
of evil)... with that attitude you can study the Bible and will
not
become proud. And Bill, I would not accuse you of having that
problem. It is true sometimes you can seem to be strong-willed
and even stubborn,
but aren’t we all? And unless a person knows you very
well, who has the right to make such accusing statements about
you?
The Bible repeatedly
uses the ruminating “chewing the cud” animals
as a symbol of what a Christian should be like in dealing with the
Bible. Dr Mc. Gee explains it very well in his study of Exodus and
Leviticus. To compare Bible study with searching for discarded chaff
is like saying most of the Bible is worthless and there are such few
good things in it that it is a waste of time to study the Bible at
all.
The Jesus this man refers to is not the Jesus of the Bible, who
did NOT come to abolish the Law and the Prophets. And Jesus Himself
quoted
from most (or all?) OT books, thus validating each of them.
Regarding
his experiences with the “holy spirit”...
again this is not the Holy Spirit of the Bible. The Holy Spirit
WROTE the
Bible!!! So why would the Holy Spirit DISCOURAGE anyone from
Bible study????? A little discernment here... People run about
to see
the next revelation, they go after mystical experiences (that’s
very newagey, BTW) and believe anything that sounds good to
them. I believe the devil with his “revelations” can
give you a certain kind of “peace” that is similar
enough to the peace God brings (at least it is for the person
who has
never experienced
the true peace only God can bring. How can you tell a note
is counterfeit if you’ve never seen a real one?) so that
many are confused. Why do multitudes go after yoga, reiki,
TM and other aberrations?
Because they find sth in there that feels like peace...
In
any case, we are COMMANDED in the Bible to test all spirits,
to see if they are from God. What is the standard for testing
the spirits?
THE BIBLE. And Paul said if anyone, even an angel, brings
a different gospel, let him be anathema!!!!
The content of this
individual’s
speech reminds me of Benny Hinn. In his book Good morning Holy Spirit,
he talks
about a revelation
from the Holy Spirit in which He led Benny to many passages
of the Bible and explained them to him and the great joy
it caused. That
reminds me of satan in Matthew 4 trying to interpret Deuteronomy
to Jesus. Of course Jesus outsmarted satan. But we are
to remember we are not Jesus. We don’t have His discernment,
so we have to be especially careful about the “revelations” we
receive when reading the Bible. I don’t like fancy
theories... I don’t
trust them... Most preachers have some of these. I don’t
like “The
Lord told me...” statements prefacing some unprovable
notion.
So if I understand
what this man says correctly, when he received this special revelation
(Do I read a trace
of
gnosticism here?)
he sort of became one with the Bible and with God. Wasn’t
that supposed to be the result of eating the Tree of Knowledge,
according
to the devil??? Excuse me, but if there is anyone with
spiritual pride it is him not you.
“Experiences” can make people as proud as Bible knowledge
(if not more so). Benny Hinn, according to what I’ve read about
him (and God is his final judge) is one of the most arrogant
people I know. And I bet he doesn’t have a Ph.D. in Theology.
So, as far as my
limited knowledge of you allows me to say, you are on the right track.
I may be wrong but if
there is
something
I can
criticize about you, certainly your “obsession” with
Bible study is the last thing I would mention.
You can
forward this email to your “riend”,
as long as you keep my name and email address hidden. You
know, I have
enough
enemies cursing me, LOL, last night I dreamt with an
unholy spirit attacking me.
Anyway, there is
a saying in the Quixote which I really like. “LADRAN, SANCHO,
SEÑAL QUE CABALGAMOS” (literally: they
are barking, Sancho. It’s a sign that we are marching)
which basically means, when certain people are complaining
about you, it
means you are doing the right thing. Sorry, my brain
is malfunctioning and I cannot find an equivalent Bible
verse for that... OK, OK,
Luke 6:22-23. Read it and rejoice. :)
Onward to Romans
8:28 life
Bill’s response to Victor:
Hi Victor,
You are completely
wrong about me, but I expected it after I had seen your website (before
I e-mailed you the courses). The other
man I
sent the courses to is a modern day Pharisee Orthodox Christian
Church member. When I have to do the negative part of my ministry,
I wait
a while for Holy Spirit help. Sometimes I seek other suggestions
from true consecrated Christians. Most of the time in my full time
ministry I do Apostle Paul and Barnabas like spiritual encouraging.
Such is obvious in my 360 blog and comments. Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans
8, Philippians 2:1-16, and Ephesians 4 indicate what should be
true Christians’ priorities.
The Holy Spirit mentioned in the Bible urged me to respond in this
way. I will insert comments in appropriate places below. I spent
a few hours doing this for your sake.
Victor: Hi Bill,
I skimmed your Bible studies - not all, but some. There is much knowledge
and labor there...and that is the problem. I see a burdensome, laborious
bondage to knowledge. Truly, I see you eating from the Tree of Knowledge
of Good and Evil.
***Response-- None of these Bible study courses took any sweat or
work at all. I have never felt like I was working when the Holy Spirit
was guiding me in such developing. It has all been just enjoyable usage
of time. He has never had me do any of them in one sitting either.
Usually the delays in the middle for needed real life experiences so
I would understand the rest to come. I have never felt in any of them
I was putting any effort on my part. It is such a wonderful feeling.
It is a special form of divine grace. I now have the feeling that I
am arriving to a good response to this challenge.
This morning, I
also realized much more that when I am in the Proverbs 3:5-6 way
of thinking, nothing that the Holy Spirit has me say and
do seems to take effort. God just wants more of our time and thankfulness.
When I do things humanistically, it is hard work. For example (before
I knew the Holy Spirit), when I had a piano composition to memorize
for a piano recital to prepare for, I was so worried about what was
ahead that I would play the piece over and over and over again in order
to memorize it. I felt I had to memorize more than 5 times the normal
piano student. And I worried so much too about possibly making mistakes
in the performance and not making it through the whole piece. I did
similar for preparing for school tests/exams. On the other hand, the
tough part of Holy Spirit guided living is not the preparation parts,
but is when individuals reject the results or/and falsely accuse. I
care for others and want God’s best for them.
I am not eating from the Tree of good and evil. I am just doing what
the Holy Spirit urges. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in
early 1975 on my bed.
Victor: Yes, it is Scripture and yes, one can
find some good things.
***Response-- You missed th whole purpose of this form of Bible study
tools. They are not like a sermon or lecture or denominationalized
Bible courses. The best way for retention of information is if the
student has to reason for understanding either in relating to thought
provoking questions, logical grouping or/and formatting of information,
or being involved in a good discussion. So most of the teaching materials
I develop are done to cause the reader to reason for themselves. So
my Preparation for Heavenly Living Correspondence School did not become
a typical correspondence school; instead most receivers of the courses
are skimming them and then sending them to others. I use parts of them
to e-mail counsel individuals.
Victor: But it is like trying to put on a shoe
or a glove three sizes too small. It is like searching the discarded
chaff
for a few kernels of
wheat, or trying to sip water through a wheat stem when thirsty on
a hot day.
***Response-- That
is not what I have done!!! The Holy Spirit helps me find the best
verses or passages for certain topic areas or helps
me logically format the best chapters of the Bible for true Christianity
living. In beginning one of the former type, I download the results
of a word search, I look at each verse and its context, I decide whether
it is appropriate or might be to controversial or confusing for new
Christians, I put the appropriate ones in groupings that the Holy Spirit
urges. He gives me the group titles too. Again, I feel I am doing no
effort or work at all. I am almost like a spectator enjoying watching
a wonderful painting being done. And only God’s Word is guaranteed
not to come back void. Any statements by me are not given that guarantee.
So that is why most of my Bible study courses are mostly just Scripture.
Even my essays only include statements that could have Bible verses
substituted for them.
Victor: We
have learned the true meaning of the Lord’s
words:
Matthew 11:28-30 GNB
(28) “Come to Me, all of you who are tired from carrying heavy
loads, and I will give you rest.
(29) Take My yoke and put it on you, and learn from Me, because I am
gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest.
(30) For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put
on you is light.”
***Response-- I responded to your wrong judgment against me twice.
I am not going against this passage at all! And in John 16:13 it says
that Jesus Christ is telling the Holy Spirit when to tell me what.
The Holy Spirit knows all of divine truths and wisdom, but did not
experience living in our world as Jesus Christ did. The latter knows
human needs and weaknesses and about temptations. He is the compassionate
high priest for true Christians.
Victor: I
can understand why you would call yourself “Bible Lover Bill.”
***Response-- The
Holy Spirit gave me that ID because of my top love and to get me
contacts who wanted to really personally understand and
live God’s Word much more.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all
good works.”
1 John 2:17
“And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that
doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
Victor: I also once had that drive to know the
Bible and every aspect of it, every letter, to the fullest, and wanted
everyone to know it. I had
the desire to excel in knowledge of it so that it did not matter what
one would ask me or wish to discuss, I would know the answer and be
able to give many references as backup. It was a matter of pride, though
I did not recognize it as such then.
I became overwhelmed with the impossibility of it, for I knew that
if I spent several lifetimes searching out the Scriptures and the meanings,
it would not be sufficient.
***Response-- I
never had such a desire!!! I don’t really know
much Scripture. I usually know where the best wisdom and advice is
located. My favorites are a very small group and I share them often
in e-mails, Yahoo 360 messages, blogs and comments, and my sharing
in church. I only study the Bible when the Holy Spirit urges. And I
don’t memorize Scripture. So I go against what many Christian
pastors advise. I am not a theologian. I know of a pastor who is such
and has “burned out” a few times. He had to go to German
clinics for depressed individuals several times for 6-week stays where
they used the Rogerian method of counseling and psych drugs. I haven’t
even needed sleeping medicine. My times of depression have been very
short after upsets in my life.
Victor: Then the Lord gave me His Spirit on
January 1, 1975, and how wonderful an emancipation that was! The
answer is
the Spirit of Truth, the complete
Bible within! He made me free, as He promised:
“You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John
8:32 GNB).
Upon receiving the Holy Spirit of God, of Jesus Christ, I now had
the entire Word in me and I came to experience the reality of John’s
words:
“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all
things” (1
John 2:20 MKJV).
“But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you,
and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches
you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He
has
taught you, abide in Him” (1 John 2:27 MKJV).
***Response-- It
is ironic that I received the Holy Spirit in the same month and year
as you claim you did. I was raised in the First
Congregational Church (which believes in teh social good works gospel),
then was exposed to a Presbyterian church, some Roman Catholic churches
(when courting my first wife), and in August 1974 was hired by a conservative
Assembly of God church. Then I kept asking God for the baptism of the
Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues. Later, I met a lady in
Washington D. C. (I was from California to attend the 1988 “Washington
for Jesus March”) who had some of the same words that I had been
given! I have also attended many other different kinds of churches
because God apparently wanted me to be able to be understanding of
others. All churches have some of God’s truths in their doctrines,
but they all have a lot of human spiritual theories and opinions which
are not pleasing to God. Every church I have attended and with ever
person I have met, I looked for the good in them knowing the bad would
eventually be spoken or manifested.
The verses you quoted do not support your statements to justify your
apparent not using the Bible anymore. You are going against what 2
Timothy 3:15-16 says and many other verses about the Bible. I guess
you believe that Psalm 119 is not for Christians today at all.
Victor: Having the Spirit of God, and not repentance
only, one will know true doctrine from false. I can see from your
material that we teach things
you would judge to be false, and you teach some doctrines of devils,
as you may see in Diabolical
Doctrines and The
Restitution of All Things.
***Response-- I
have never said or written that only repentance is proper for Christians.
Most pastors do not even preach repentance,
but repentance is a major theme of God. The Holy Spirit is not. But
true Christians will have the Spirit of God and will want to be guided
by Him even for minor choice decisions (like what clothes to wear or
food to eat for a meal). Satan and the fallen angels are against my
Bible study tools courses, spiritual handouts, and spiritual essays
because they were urged by the Holy Spirit and have a lot of support
Scripture. Remember that Jesus Christ responded to Satan’s temptations
in the wilderness with Scripture and later did the Sermon of the Mount
which placed more spiritual responsibilities for future Christains
than the Old Testament Jews had been given by God the Father.
Some have said that the unforgiveable sin is saying that some ministry
is of the devil instead of the Holy Spirit. So you are warned. I have
not done everything perfect in my Christian ministries, but I am not
teaching any doctrine of the devil. I am not adding to the Bible at
all as you and many are.
Victor: Jesus said to the religious:
“You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal
life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me” (John 5:39
MKJV).
***Response-- I am not religious at all!! I could never call myself
any denominationalist. I could only say I was a Bible-believing, Spirit-led,
Jesus Christ following Christian. And I hate modern day phariseeism,
about which that verse refers too.
Victor: When I was converted, the Bible became
a new Book, but when I received the Spirit, I became the Book and
the Book me. The One of Whom the
Scriptures testify took me to Himself, filled me with Himself,
and now I thirst no more. He is my knowledge. I rest in Him, thankfully,
O how thankfully!
***Response-- I
read all 4 of those and my speculations about your beliefs were confirmed.
I can understand especially why you believe
what you do. It is because of your hatred of the legalism of the Roman
Catholic Religion. My children are mostly humanistic because of their
experiences in legalistic church and their hatred about the divorce
between their mother and me. They are glad to have freedom and I believe
that only my son goes to church. I have met other individuals who have
given up going to church because of similar past experiences. I have
more reasons than most to be bitter and resentful against various different
denominations and “Christian” leaders, but that would be
against what Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul taught. The 4 items
I read had contradictions with what you said in this e-mail, especially
in relation to the Bible. You apparently use it only to try to convince
others to believe the way you do. And you were arrogant all through
the paper about the Holy Spirit. You are completely wrong to say that
God the Father and Jesus Christ are the same person, as is the Holy
Spirit too. There are so many verses that show that they are separate
divine persons. I don’t approve of the use of the word Trinity
in reference to them; Godhead is a better word for such. I also think
that all pronouns referring to them should start with a capital letter.
But I never have tried to force anyone to believe the way I do. Instead
I mainly encourage them to live Proverbes 3:5-6 and then the Holy Spirit
will guide them into all of God’s truths.
Sort of like Sara’s testimony, I have lost the fellowships and
respect of relatives, friends, pastors, and others because of my consecration
to saying and doing what the Holy Spirit and the Bible urge. But God
has replaced the losses with other individuals, mostly true consecrated
Christians. I also have lost jobs and wrongly taken under custody by
law enforcement officials because of the same reason, but I have not
shed any blood as so many Christians have. But God has blessed me with
a lot of divine peace, divine joy, and so many Romans 8:28 blessings
(especially in understanding God’s wisdom and concerns).
Victor: I do not condemn or fault you, Bill.
***Response-- Reread
your comments in this e-mail. I guess your definitions of condemn
and fault are different than the ones I learned. I have
never even thought about condemning anyone. I have intercessory prayed
for those who I think are leading others astray in politics or spiritually
to become sensitive to the Holy Spirit’s conviction ministry
and then to confess and repent from their wrong beliefs. But you do
currently fit in the type of “Christian” mentioned in 2
Timothy 3:5.
Victor: We all have to come to our times and
places as the Lord gives. I only speak what I know. If you receive The
Issues of Life, you will find,
Lord willing, that we are in life, with real issues and real people.
That is the will of God, Bill, not knowledge, except that it is in
knowing Him.
***Response-- That
is why I don’t give lists for people to do.
For each believer, God has an “individualized lesson plan” and
the good works that have been pre-planned for him or her to do or not
do. (Ephesians 2:10) For example, He knows when is the best time for
an individual to give up a bad habit like smoking, so I never have
told a church-goer that they should stop such immediately. I have done
the same with those who drink alcohol or/and swear a lot. When one
is convinced that a change is necessary, it has the best possibility
to be forever and not the bad habit will not probably ever be done
again, but changes done because of what others say or want usually
are temporary. The Issues of Life list indicated almost all of my current
concerns. I read a few of them, but I don’t need to read the
rest. Most of the ones I read were like your paper about the Baptism
of the Holy Spirit, condemnations against individuals and other religions.
It is like you saying everyone else is wrong but you. I don’t
believe that any human being believes in all of the right doctrines
according to God and the Bible, so I can respect and pray for those
who seem to manifest the fruit of the Spirit and have just a few unBiblical
beliefs. Evangelist Billy Grayham is an example. He has not blasaphamied
the Holy Spirit as you claim; He just believes in the Baptist doctrine
in the area of signs and wonders spiritual gifts. As for me, I let
the Holy Spirit tell me how to react to leaders and the current events
which are related to the issues posted in your website. He tells me
for whom I should do intercessory prayer and if I should warn others.
Victor: “Therefore let us fear, lest while
the promise remains to enter into His rest, any one of you seems
to have
fallen short. For indeed
we have had the Gospel preached to us just as those also; but the Word
which they heard did not profit those, not having been mixed with faith
in those having heard it. For we who have believed enter that rest,
as He has said: So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest,
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world” (Hebrews
4:1-3 EMTV).
The Lord grant you deliverance from laboring by the sweat
of your brow, and grace to partake of the Tree of Life, through faith,
Victor
***Response-- I
don’t need the deliverance you indicate! Again,
I am mostly resting in my relationship with God the Father, Jesus Christ,
the Holy Spirit, and the Bible as they help me become more spiritually
wise and Christ-like. The only time I am not doing such resting is
when I live selfishly or humanistically. And I don’t say or write
things that would make my popular. I do not like being complimented
either. I am just an adopted child of God doing a lot in the Great
Commission during what appears to be the end of the Age of Grace. I
will avoid vain arguments and arrogant spiritual theorists which are
misusing Scripture.
Restfully onward for following my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, Bible lover Bill
Romans 8:28
Victor’s reply regarding Bill’s friend’s letter:
Bill, I will address some of the things “one of the best in
Yahoo 360,” Jennings Campbell, has to say.
First of all, generally speaking, he comes as an ignorant mocker,
starting on a false foundation and building from there. His whole line
of argument and condemnation is false because his premise is false.
Anyone looking at our site will know that we would not say it is wrong
to study the Bible. That is a foolish remark, indeed. Anyone with a
shred of honesty would admit so. Why would anyone professing Jesus
Christ as Lord surmise and boldly, publicly speak such a lie, and why
would you, Bill, sanction it and pass it on to us? If you walked in
the Spirit of Truth, as you claim, you would correct him in his error,
instead of receiving the testimony of a man who accuses falsely. How
poor are your resources of support for your untenable position!
“But I don’t depend on human testimony. I’m telling
you this to save you” (John 5:34).
We are solemnly respectful of the Scriptures because they testify
of Him Whom we worship. He dwells in us and we in Him. Because He does
not dwell in your friend, Campbell has no respect for the Scriptures
because he has no respect for the Author of the Bible, though he claims
otherwise. And you are deceived by him, even looking to his witness
rather than God’s. That can only be because you are not right
with God. While you are a Bibliolater (“Bible Lover Bill”),
producing many topical Scriptures, you do not love the Lord as you
claim. Repent, Bill.
The Scriptures say:
“From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. They have
the power to give you wisdom so that you can be saved through faith
in Christ Jesus. Every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of
them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people,
and training them for a life that has God’s approval. They equip
God’s servants so that they are completely prepared to do good
things” (2 Timothy 3:15-17 GW).
Is it not ironic that while you two claim to know and revere the Scriptures,
you actually know nothing and your ways are no different from those
of the religious in Jesus’ day? You promote yourselves, using
His Name, and will not come to Him. To such He said:
“You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you
have eternal life; and these are they which testify about Me. But you
are unwilling to come to Me, so that you may have life” (John
5:39-40 EMTV).
I grant you that I could have chosen better words. If either of you
had the Spirit and loved as you claim to, however, you would have known
that what you say I said is not what I said, quite the contrary. So
do you indeed worship the Jesus of the Bible and we another? How so?
When I spoke of wheat and chaff, I spoke not of the Word of God, which
is pure, but of what one must go through to find value in what “Bible
Lover Bill” teaches from the Bible. Unless the Spirit of God
reveals something to us, we know nothing, even as you men know nothing.
As for saying we teach that Jesus came to abolish the Law and the
Prophets, again your words are unfounded. We teach no such thing. Why
do you disregard and transgress the Law, accusing falsely? It is because
the Lawmaker is not with you, and you are not with Him.
You say the standard for testing the spirits is the Bible. It is recorded:
“To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according
to this Word, it is because no light is in them” (Isaiah 8:20
MKJV).
However, Jesus said to those who professed to use the Bible as a standard
to determine a matter:
“‘You err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of
God’” (Matthew 22:29 MKJV).
That is where you men fit right in. So we say to you:
“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit
of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges
all things, yet he himself is judged by no one. For who has known the
mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of
Christ” (1Co 2:14-16 MKJV).
Many use the Bible and to each of them the Bible says something different,
as you know. Thus, you are foolish and ignorant to think the Bible
itself determines anything. It is the God of the Bible Who determines,
revealing the meaning of His Book; without Him, one is dead to the
Scriptures, and they to him. You can only say what you say because
you are dead. You are religious, vainly professing faith, and dead.
Bill, you and I both declare that we received the Spirit in January
of 1975. That is not only ironic, as you say, but interesting, very
interesting. The Lord is showing me what I have, in contrast to what
might have been, but for His grace and mercy. He spared me, gave me
His Spirit, and set me aside, away from men’s books and teachings,
to read the Bible, He being my Teacher. Now I know the Bible because
I know Him. The Author dwells in me. If you received the Spirit, you
do not show it. You are confounded.
That is why I say the Bible is within, something Jennings cannot fathom,
not knowing Him, the Author of the Bible. He writes:
“He sort of became one with the Bible
and with God. Wasn’t
that supposed to be the result of eating the Tree of Knowledge, according
to the devil???”
The Bible says:
“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your
own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in
you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV).
So, one can, and must, as a genuine believer, become one with the
Lord, even as He prayed:
“I am not praying for these alone, but also for those who believe
in Me through their Word; so that they all may be one, just as You,
Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, so
that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You
have given to Me, I have given to them, so that they may be one just
as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; so that they may be perfected
in unity, and so that the world may know that You have sent Me, and
You loved them just as You loved Me” (John 17:20-23 EMTV).
Jennings has mistaken the Tree of Knowledge for the Tree of Life,
of Whom we partake. The serpent has beguiled him. There is only one
way he could say what he did, and that is if he has not known Jesus
Christ as his Lord and Savior. Yes, he likely “accepted” Jesus
into his heart and was “saved,” but that happens to be
the other
gospel. His words are dead giveaways, repeatedly.
And which is greater, the Bible or its Author? If the Author dwells
in me (“Christ in you, the hope of glory,” Colossians
1:27), how does the Bible not dwell in me? If He dwells in me, how
does His Word not dwell in me? Foolish man!
He says, “I don’t like ‘The
Lord told me...’ statements
prefacing some unprovable notion.”
Paul spoke of revelations from the Lord. Could he prove them? Did
people believe him? Few did. Jesus claimed the Father spoke to Him.
Could He prove it? They demanded He give them a sign to prove He was
Who He said He was. How is Jennings any different from the wicked and
adulterous generation seeking a sign? He believes the Bible, yet knows
nothing
of its spirit, nature, or substance. Amazing, is it not? Jennings has
an external, carnal, manmade Christianity, the very antiChrist one
of which the Bible, which is hidden to him, speaks. He is a self-made
man.
And for you, Bill, to receive Jennings’ corrupt testimony, and
to flatter him as one of the best you have met on your internet group,
reveals the nature of your experience as well.
“Jesus outsmarted Satan,” Jennings says? Telling words
again. He sees Jesus as some human hero in His earthly life, as he
tries to emulate Him, according to I
Am a Soldier.
He is God, Jennings’ Creator, and Satan’s as well. Saying
He outsmarted Satan is as belittling of Him as when the Muslims call
Him a prophet, as though they do Him justice. Yes, He did take upon
Himself human form, humbling Himself. Yet, of Him did Paul write:
“And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: God was
manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed
among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and was received up in
glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 EMTV).
You and Jennings have not known Him; no, you have not. You are still
in your sins, led about by other spirits, not His.
Finally, Jennings crowns the giving of himself away (not that his
first words were not revealing enough):
“(literally: they are barking, Sancho.
It’s a sign that
we are marching) which basically means, when certain people are complaining
about you, it means you are doing the right thing.”
Cervantes’ book was the funniest I have ever red. Don Quixote
was a legend in his own mind, not a noble man, but a foolish dreamer,
removed from reality altogether. Many people miss that message, even
the moviemakers. I laughed and laughed because while the Lord was taking
me through the waters and the fires over the years after baptizing
me in His Holy Spirit, even as John promised He would, He was showing
me how any self-righteous Christian (or non-Christian) can be as Quixote.
I was also that way, attacking all sorts of windmills and defending “holy” causes.
I thought myself to be the up-and-coming greatest man of God since
Paul or Moses, just like Jennings carries on.
By the time the Lord was through with me, however, I abhorred myself
and repented in dust and ashes, never to be the same again. I now know
that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good thing. I had only heard
of Him by the hearing of the ear, and then I came to see Him as He
is. Truly, Isaiah declared:
“But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses
are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities,
like the wind, have taken us away” (Isaiah 64:6 MKJV).
Which reminds me: One day in 1981, I was praying in difficult circumstances.
My wife and I were nearly broke, had no home, no job, no prospects
of either, no friends, no connections, and nowhere to go. All we had
was an old truck, a small trailer, and a few dollars. I prayed, “Lord,
I give everything I have and am to You. It is Yours.”
Immediately, I had a vision in which I saw myself before an altar.
On that altar I was offering up the vilest pieces of refuse one can
think of. I felt so ashamed for thinking that I could give or do anything
of value for God. He caused me to realize my utter unworthiness.
The sacrifices Jennings offered up on his site, in his counsel and
attitude, elsewhere and in any way, are as dung and used tampons. Some
day, he will know that. Right now, as far as he is concerned, he is
offering up the finest of gold. Yes, he has others deceived, but he
does not have true believers deceived, and least of all, the Lord God.
Finally, Bill, you have sought Jennings’ solace and counsel
to oppose the counsel of God by us.
Therefore you are both in the same place.
I have written a long letter, as have you, Bill. You say yours is
for me, and I say mine is for you and Jennings. You will not be resting
from here on in. The Word has gone forth, not to return void. One day,
Bill and Jennings, we will be brethren in the Lord. Until then, it
is obvious we are on opposite sides of the battlefield, we on the winning
side, and you on the losing side. Our victory over you will be your
deliverance, by the power of His Word. As He said:
“Behold, I give out of those of the synagogue of Satan, those
saying themselves to be Jews and are not, but lie; behold, I will make
them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have
loved you” (Revelation 3:9 MKJV).
Earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints,
Victor
Victor’s reply to Bill’s long letter:
Bill,
The work of which I speak is not as you think. However, let us grant
that you thoroughly enjoy your work. There are those in the world who
do so as well. Also, enjoyment of work in and of itself is not the
determining factor of value before God. There are those who are lovers
of pleasures more than lovers of God, so loving what you do is not
necessarily valid.
You and your friend, Jennings, will reply, “What’s
wrong with enjoying the Word of God? What’s wrong with arranging
verses in topical order and sharing with others, especially when
the Holy Spirit is guiding?” Now that is the question that
must be answered. I have seen many carnal people enjoy the letter
of the Word of God. They enjoy the status and attention or recognition
they have as “teachers” or “teachers of the Law.” They
love men’s praises. And the Holy Spirit is not in their works.
You say you do not like or want man’s praise. Is that true?
Jennings wrote a letter based on false premise, you flatter him as
one of the best you have met, he flatters you, you receive each other’s
testimony and his against me, and you say you do not value men’s
praise? Your fruits certainly say otherwise. Admit it, Bill.
Furthermore, how can you say the Spirit leads you in what you are
doing when you readily receive against us, with prejudice, testimony
that is obviously false?
Matthew 12:32-37 MKJV
(32) And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be
forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall
not be forgiven him, either in this world or in the world to come.
(33) Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the
tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt; for the tree is known by its fruit.
(34) Offspring of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things?
For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
(35) A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings out good
things; and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings out evil things.
(36) But I say to you that every idle word, whatever men may speak,
they shall give account of it in the Day of Judgment.
(37) For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you
shall be condemned.
When you say you did all this for my sake, I cannot believe you, given
your fruits. However, we speak to you in sincerity, and we do it because
we want you to believe the truth in Christ, you and Jennings and everyone
else. By now, both of you know full well that we are not drawing crowds
or pay. We can think of better ways to gain an audience. Neither are
we masochists. It is not pleasant to be ridiculed, scorned, falsely
accused, misunderstood, and called all the things the “callers” themselves
are.
But our reward is not from men or in this world. We are truly thankful
to the One Who has bought us with His blood and Who grants us the unspeakable
privilege of identifying personally with Him in this wicked, howbeit
religious, world. The part that is rather frustrating is when those
like you and Jennings come saying, “We know! We know!” when
you know nothing or very little. We speak to you in Christ Jesus, and
you do not know Him. You do not have His Spirit. You have another.
You say I missed the whole point of your work. You then go on to speak
words to confirm that I spoke accurately, missing nothing:
“The best way for retention of information
is if the student has to reason for understanding either in relating
to thought provoking
questions, logical grouping or/and formatting of information, or being
involved in a good discussion.”
You do not speak of spiritual revelation, the stuff of true believers.
Your dimension is a carnal one, of the power of the earthly mind, of
the flesh, of man’s intellect. While you speak the things of
the reasoning mind, we speak the things of the Spirit:
1 Corinthians 2:6-16 MKJV
(6) But, we speak wisdom among those who are perfect; yet not the wisdom
of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, that come to nothing.
(7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which God has hidden,
predetermining it before the world for our glory;
(8) which none of the rulers of this world knew (for if they had known,
they would not have crucified the Lord of glory).
(9) But as it is written, “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,” nor
has it entered into the heart of man, “the things which God has
prepared for those who love Him.”
(10) But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit; for the Spirit
searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.
(11) For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit
of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the
Spirit of God.
(12) But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit
from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to
us by God.
(13) These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom
teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things
with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit
of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
(15) But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged
by no one.
(16) For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him?
But we have the mind of Christ.
Yours, then, is eating from the Tree of Knowledge; it is the working
of the serpent, the subtle one, whose name is “experience.” You
and your great Christian friend are guilty of the very thing of which
you both accuse us.
Your friend also warns about feelings and trusting in experiences:
“People run about to see the next revelation,
they go after mystical experiences (that’s very newagey, BTW) and believe anything
that sounds good to them. I believe the devil with his ‘revelations’ can
give you a certain kind of ‘peace’ that is similar enough
to the peace God brings (at least it is for the person who has never
experienced the true peace only God can bring...).”
But you say: “It is such a wonderful feeling.
It is a special form of divine grace. I now have the feeling that
I am arriving to
a good response to this challenge.” So your feelings are right,
but testimony independent of feelings, without emphasis or declaration
of seeking experiences, is wrong?
Your testimony declares that you were seeking the baptism in the Holy
Spirit for some time. That did not happen with Saul or the Samaritans
or Cornelius and the Gentiles or the Ephesian disciples or with us.
Many times have I heard of people striving, seeking to receive the
Holy Spirit, and they received all right, but they received another
spirit. The Holy Spirit comes when He wills, and not because you keep
wanting and seeking.
Those who waited in Jerusalem till Pentecost were not wanting and
seeking an experience, but obeying the Lord. The fact that a man without
the Spirit seeks “the baptism in the Holy Spirit” (an experience)
indicates that he does so in the flesh, not knowing what he is truly
after. He is seeking something by that label, but being a carnal man,
his definition and perceptions are ungodly. He seeks something else,
and that which he seeks, he receives.
You accuse us of running after experiences, but while we are not guilty
of that (nowhere will you find that in our testimonies), you readily
admit you were doing so! You and Jennings ought to acquaint yourselves
with Our Testimonies and yours,
with honesty. There you will see that though we were not seeking an
experience, we indeed received an experience
in that the Lord came to dwell in us, just as happened to those at
Pentecost, complete with earthquake, tongues of fire, and gifts of
the Spirit.
Jennings condemns experience because he has had none. His Christianity
is intellectual, philosophical - in a word, carnal. It is not
the new birth he has, or he would understand the things of which I
speak. It seems that you, Bill, have experienced something, but it
is not the reception of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.
You write: “The Holy Spirit knows all
of divine truths and wisdom, but did not experience living in our
world as Jesus Christ did. The
latter knows human needs and weaknesses and about temptations. He is
the compassionate high priest for true Christians.”
Who is the Spirit? You are evidently saying He knows nothing of Jesus
Christ’s experiences. How utterly foolish! Was it not by the
Spirit that Jesus lived and ministered and performed all His works
and spoke all His words? Even your diabolical doctrine of the
trinity,
easily proven to be pagan, originating millennia before Christ, declares
that all three are one, co-equal, all omniscient, and all omnipresent.
Again, Bill, you and your supporters unintentionally yet truly tell
me you do not have the Spirit of God. The words you intend to speak
to us on the things of the Lord are lies.
How about this?
“Therefore take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock in
which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the Church of
God which He has purchased with His own blood” (Acts 20:28 MKJV).
The Scriptures testify that Jesus appointed shepherds to feed the
flock, as He said to Peter, “Feed My sheep…” He also
gave ministries to the Church:
“And truly He gave some to be apostles, and some to be prophets,
and some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, for
the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the
edifying of the Body of Christ” (Ephesians 4:11-12 MKJV)
Who did this? Jesus or the Holy Spirit? They are one and the same,
and you display full ignorance of Him, speaking the words you speak.
So just what spirit is it that you received on your bed in 1975 and
which is leading you now? Of the Holy Spirit of God it is said:
“However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide
you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever
He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come” (John
16:13 MKJV).
After over thirty years, not knowing Who is the Holy Spirit, how can
you say you are led of Him?
You say, “I don’t really know much Scripture.”
Indeed, you do not. When I received the Spirit, He led me into Scripture
for many hours each day for years, setting aside completely almost
all other books. The Bible served as a confirmation of what He had
given me within. That is the way it is for all those truly born again
(baptized in the Holy Spirit). You call yourself “Bible Lover
Bill,” but you “don’t really know much Scripture.” You
men are something else, defending the Bible as though it is precious
to you, yet erring, not knowing the Scriptures or the power
thereof.
You write, “It is ironic that I received
the Holy Spirit in the same month and year as you claim you did.” I see that the
Lord has brought us to this day by appointment. I see the contrast
of two opposing paths, the true and the false, the difference between
eating of the two Trees.
You write, “The verses you quoted do not
support your statements to justify your apparent not using the Bible
anymore. You are going
against what 2 Timothy 3:15-16 says and many other verses about the
Bible. I guess you believe that Psalm 119 is not for Christians today
at all.”
I fail to understand how you come to these false conclusions from
anything we have written. We say Psalm 119 and all the Bible is entirely
applicable today, and the notion that it is not entirely applicable
today is error. Again, so much for the spirit you have received.
Bill, you write:
“Some have said that the unforgiveable
sin is saying that some ministry is of the devil instead of the Holy
Spirit. So you are warned.
I have not done everything perfect in my Christian ministries, but
I am not teaching any doctrine of the devil. I am not adding to the
Bible at all as you and many are.”
You are not one to warn me, Bill. Firstly, I did not say that your
ministry was of the Devil. However, you do teach doctrines of devils,
like eternal damnation and the
trinity, some of which we have pointed
out. The anointed of God do not do so, and never will.
Therefore, along with all else I have said in this letter and another
regarding Jennings, yes, I have to now say that your ministry is not
of God, and if you are guided and influenced by another spirit, we
must sadly conclude that your ministry is of the Devil. That also goes
for Jennings, if he thinks he has some kind of ministry.
You are not one to decide if we add to the Bible. However, give it
your best shot and see if I cannot soundly reply to your assertions.
You give us no substance, as you can see, neither you nor Jennings
(you both make ignorant assumptions without facts), yet we give you
much in specifics. That is because the Father, Creator of Heaven and
earth, is complete Substance and Light, while the powers of darkness
are simply absence of Light. You have nothing but anger for the Light,
which we are in Him, Who is the Light of the world, Jesus Christ, Almighty
God and Everlasting Father:
“For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government
shall be on His shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor,
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah
9:6 MKJV).
You write, “I can understand especially
why you believe what you do. It is because of your hatred of the
legalism of the Roman Catholic
Religion.”
How could you possibly reach such a conclusion unless not having the
Spirit? When I was a Catholic, I did as I pleased. Apparently, reading
my testimony did little to give you understanding (if you red it).
When I came to repentance, they hated me because…I repented of
my sins. How is that “hatred of the RCC legalism”?
Not long after, when I received the Holy Spirit, I was granted obedience
in still other matters; for example, I ceased to celebrate pagan festivals
in His Name, such as Christmas and Easter. And Easter is not entirely
in His Name, is it? Your surmisings are foolish and evil, Bill, without
justification, without knowledge, without true love. You say you care
about others? No, Bill, you do not. Your fruits plainly declare that
you do not.
You write, “You are completely wrong to
say that God the Father and Jesus Christ are the same person, as
is the Holy Spirit too. There
are so many verses that show that they are separate divine persons.”
As it is written:
“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit
of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14 MKJV).
The natural man can only carnally understand the letter of the Word.
To the spiritual, it is understood by revelation.
You write, “I don’t approve of the use of the word Trinity
in reference to them; Godhead is a better word for such.”
Yet you write, “In other words, the third
part of the divine Trinity works in the yielded Christian….”
Do you approve of that which you do or that which you do not do? Which
is it? And are you not aware that the word “Godhead” has
nothing to do with numbers? Strong’s definition is simply “Divinity.”
In our differences of the words, “condemn” and “fault,” I
could have expressed myself differently and acknowledge that my words
were unintentionally misleading. I do not condemn you. You condemn
yourself and I tell you that you do so in what you think, say, and
do. When I say that I do not fault you, while I mean that it is not
a personal desire or intent, indeed I must not only say, I must solemnly
declare, that I do fault you. In other words, you are in fault and
I tell you so.
You write, “It is like you saying everyone
else is wrong but you.”
Nobody but the Lord Jesus Christ is right. We believe, know, serve,
and speak by Him. We are not after right doctrine, but right
relationship. Having said that, right doctrine grows out of right relationship. Many
think to have right relationship, presuming to be teachers, yet they
teach false doctrine. Why? Because they do not have right relationship.
You defend Billy
Graham who opposes the Holy Spirit. How can one be
a believer and oppose the One He professes to believe and serve?
Bill, you are almost entirely, if not entirely, ignorant of the One you presume
to serve, and thus, you sow confusion and lead astray. You scatter
abroad, defending false ministers because you are a false minister.
While it is anathema to the inhabiters of the earth, is it any wonder
in Heaven that we must preach frankly and boldly that which we do?
Contending earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints,
Victor Hafichuk
Paul’s reply:
Bill,
You wrote the following, which Victor quoted above:
“The verses you quoted do not support
your statements to justify your apparent not using the Bible anymore.
You are going against what
2 Timothy 3:15-16 says and many other verses about the Bible. I guess
you believe that Psalm 119 is not for Christians today at all.”
It is you, and not we, who writes off the Bible to do as he pleases.
In the document you sent us about Psalm 119, you write:
“So I was surprised by how many verses
I don’t need because
of New Testament Christianity. For example, I don’t need to proclaim
Psalm 119:6-8 anymore. Verse 6—‘Then shall I not be ashamed,
when I have respect unto all Thy commandments.’ I don’t
need to think about or meditate on or respect the Old Testament ordinances.”
Of those, Jesus said:
“For assuredly I say to you, until Heaven and earth may pass
away, one iota or one tittle shall by no means pass away from the law
until all things are fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of
the least of these Commandments, and shall teach men thus, will be
called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever does them and teaches
them, he shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven” (Matthew
5:18-19 EMTV).
So, are people to believe and follow you and the spirit teaching you,
or should they believe the Lord Jesus Christ?
You continue:
“Jesus Christ said to obey His commandments
that He taught when on Earth….”
That is not all that He said. Here, my Bible-loving friend, is what
He did say:
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets.
I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17 EMTV).
Is Heaven and earth still standing? If so, then the Law is not abolished.
But you do not know how to apply or teach the Law, not having been
brought to Christ to firstly have it fulfilled in you.
“But we know that the Law is good if one uses it lawfully” (1
Timothy 1:8 EMTV).
You reject the Law because you are yet in your sins and lawlessness,
speaking from darkness as though it is light. That, in particular,
is your sin. You go on to say:
“Also, there is no link of shame with
such respect [when lacking towards all His commandments] and
obedience in the New Testament.”
This is another gospel, of which the apostle Paul wrote that even
though an angel from Heaven preaches it to you, “let him be accursed” (Galatians
1:8).
You had quoted 2 Timothy 3:16, “All Scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness,” using it to falsely condemn
us for “not using the Bible anymore.” Yet it is apparent
that we do use the Scriptures, and that it is you who denies the Law
and the Prophets, thus also taking away from your portion in the Book
of Life and from the holy city of God. You deny the applicable truth
and Scriptures that we speak from Him to you, by His Word, which would
serve you well as His reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness,
were you to repent and turn away from your wickedness.
Paul Cohen
Bill’s first reply:
You are just a false
accuser and doing what Satan wants. God hates those who try to “sow discord amongst the brethren”. Arguing
is not productive. You misuse and disrespect God’s Word. Romans
8:1 applies to me and to Brother Jennings and to Anne and to two others
who also discerned your serious problems.
I rebuke you Victor about all that you have said against Jennings
Campbell and the other one that responded to your first attack against
me. I have nothing more to add. My previous responses stand.
Onward for God and His Word,
Bill
Victor’s reply to Bill - his defense and defender (Jennings):
Bill, we did not attack or accuse anyone. We have honestly spoken
the truth, giving substance and godly reason. You are the people doing
the attacking and accusing. You serve your own image, as do your friends.
That is what Satan is all about, worshipping God in the flesh, which
destroys the worshipper. Now you rebuke me for speaking in the Lord.
It cannot go well for you or for those who support you in your sin.
Contending
earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints,
Victor
Jennings’ reply to Bill:
Oh by the way did you make Victor aware I didnt write the fine letter
you forwarded to him. I would love to tahe the credut and I hate to
admit but I never read Don Quixote. Who did write this? I would like
to thank him. Shoot and I thought I was the finest on 360 I’m
just thankful for the priviledge of being a messenger boy as unworthy
as I am. Love....Bro Jennings
Bill’s response to Victor:
Victor, you are
a liar, false accuser, and contradict yourself so much. You apparently
don’t have the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ
in you. I say that because the fruit of the Spirit are not manifested
in you and you are not Christ-like.
Others looked at your site and said that you are way off spiritually
too. Spiritual theories like your two tree doctrine is the adding to
Scripture sin.
By the way, I am
saved, have been since May 25, 1967. But now I need to use the precious
time to share God’s truths with others in
this apparent ending of the Age of Grace. I hope that you will realize
your wrongs before it is too late.
Concerned for your soul,
Bill
Victor replied to Jennings:
Jennings,
I apologize for assuming you were the one who wrote the letter.
Technically, I am at fault. However, your reply tells me that what
I had to say
applies to you. Take your credit, “Christian,” because
though another wrote it, you revel in it. The credit is indeed yours.
Anyone reading your note with godly discernment will know you have
nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ you profess to serve. You
serve “another Jesus,” even as you have accused us, with
false assumption and error, out of a wicked heart.
The mockery, sarcasm, and lightness with which you conduct yourself
and treat life and death matters reveal your true nature. Yet you have
the audacity and impudence to call it “love,” having a
form of godliness but denying the power thereof. You are not our brother,
having nothing in any way to do with the Lord Jesus Christ, Who laid
His life down and took it up again for us all.
“Messenger boy”? Yes, you are:
“They’re a sorry bunch--pseudo-apostles, lying preachers, crooked
workers--posing as Christ’s agents but sham to the core. And
no wonder! Satan does it all the time, dressing up as a beautiful
angel of light. So it shouldn’t surprise us when his servants
masquerade as servants of God. But they’re not getting by with
anything. They’ll pay for it in the end” (2 Corinthians
11:13-15 MSG).
“Not worthy”? That is false humility. You are a liar. I
Am a Soldier expresses your true opinion of yourself.
What reasonable person would argue otherwise?
In the Name of the Lord
Jesus Christ, addressing scoffers in reality
and not pretense,
Victor
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