Definition of False Teacher: One who presumes
to teach in the Name of the Lord when God has not sent him.
False Teacher - Len Horowitz
The King of Vain Deceit
“Be careful that you don't let anyone rob you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the elements of the world, and not after Messiah. For in Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily” (Colossians 2:8-9 HNV).
Len Horowitz is just such a thief, mixing God and Christ into his health business enterprises, calling himself the “King David of Natural Healing.” In this writing we expose Zen Len for the unscrupulous and fraudulent ways by which he has made merchandise of many.
“These are wells without water, clouds driven with a tempest,
for whom the blackness of darkness is reserved forever.
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they lure through
the lusts of the flesh, by unbridled lust, the ones who were escaping
from those who live in error; promising them liberty, they themselves
are the slaves of corruption.
For by whom anyone has been overcome, even
to this one he has been enslaved”
(2 Peter 2:17-19 MKJV)
Dr. Len Horowitz is the author of many books and a popular speaker
at symposiums and conferences such as one Paul Cohen and I attended
in the Bahamas in December 2003, where we met and visited with him
and his wife, Jackie Lindenbach.
We agree with some things Len says about vaccines and drug-based medicine.
After you are finished reading this account, however, you will have
enough evidence to decide for yourself whether Len is a reliable spokesperson
We are now here, for the sakes of all seekers of God and truth, to
expose Len Horowitz’s false teachings about YHVH (God), which,
given his fame and popularity, may effectively mislead many.
It is regretful that we did not keep all the correspondence we had
with Dr. Horowitz after personally conversing with him in the Bahamas.
By now, we highly doubt he still has it, but should he have it and
think it would vindicate him, we invite him to send it. We will post
his and our letters in their entirety and, if necessary, his and our
comments on them. As it stands now, we post below those letters we
Be that as it may, what we have on record and what we have to report
of our visit with him should justly persuade any sincere seeker of
truth that Dr. Horowitz is not to be trusted as a spiritual guide.
He is not a true believer in God, YHVH, Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach,
as he pretends or presumes to be. In these matters, the man is plainly
We heard Dr. Horowitz speak and immediately perceived that he was
using God for his own selfish ends, speaking as though he was well
familiar with Yahweh, yet speaking of Him as some impersonal force
to be understood and manipulated to one’s own ends by anyone
bright and informed enough. He was downright blasphemous with the kinds
of remarks and references he was making of Yahweh, though he did not
seem to know it or care. We decided to talk to him about his error.
He did not like what we had to say.
Short-Term Sidekick Steals
While still on friendly terms at the symposium, Dr. Horowitz revealed
to us that he had a very unpleasant experience with Dr. Joseph Puleo,
someone with whom he joined in a partnership of sorts. This excerpt
from Len’s site:
“Dr. Horowitz’s revelatory research, however, has gone
beyond humanitarian perspectives on HIV/AIDS. His most recent works
target ‘global healing’ as an ‘idea whose time has
come.’ In 1999, he joined co-author Dr. Joseph Puleo, in compiling
Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse (Tetrahedron Publishing
Group, 1999; 1-888-508-4787)—a book that revealed Bible codes,
hidden for 3,000 years, that includes the earliest musical scale. These
determinations and revelations, they say, hold profound implications
for personal and world healing.
At the same time, they provide alpha-numeric
sequences that led Dr. Horowitz to decipher the primary code being
used by leading global
industrialists with links to the world’s most powerful secret
societies. Most importantly, these codes herald the dawning of an unprecedented
spiritual renaissance and a renewing global event—the ‘Concert
for the 144,000.’ Foretold in the Bible, the event is currently
being planned by Dr. Horowitz, colleagues, and musicians worldwide.”
Len angrily told me Dr. Puleo was a crook who betrayed his trust,
borrowing his QXCI, which was worth several thousand dollars, and not
returning it. Having red about Dr. Puleo, I said we could have told
him Dr. Puleo didn’t know what he was talking about concerning
spiritual matters and God, and was not to be trusted. However, we also
knew that Len sowed for what he reaped and was headed for much more
because he also knew nothing of Yahweh, yet presumed and pretended
We met his wife Jackie as well; together, the four of us went to the
beach to talk. Len became rather impatient with me because I told him
there was something I needed to say to him, but I did not seem to be
coming out with it at his preferred speed; I was prayerfully taking
In minutes, he became agitated, then insulting and downright abusive.
Pressed by his impatience and concomitant impudence, I told him that
God was not an impersonal force to be toyed with or used. I told him
Yahweh was Almighty God and that Len needed to revere Him rather than
pretend he had inside information on Him and understood Him. Len claimed
to be a Messianic believer in Yeshua (Jesus Christ), and I had to tell
him that he had no relationship with Yeshua whatsoever.
It was evident to us that Len was an opportunist looking for freebies
from dealers carrying products he would endorse and advertise on his
site. I told him he was using God for mammon’s
sake and, when he vehemently urged me, I was provoked to say he was
an arrogant and stubborn ass that needed to be put in his place, and
would be, unless he repented. He and Jackie then scornfully and contemptuously
dismissed us from their presence as though they owned the entire beach.
I would compare Dr. Horowitz to the infamous Elymas, the sorcerer
“But Elymas the conjurer (for so his name is, if translated)
withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith.
Then Saul (who is also Paul), filled with the Holy Spirit, set his
eyes on him and said, O son of the Devil, full of all deceit and all
craftiness, enemy of all righteousness, will you not stop perverting
the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:8-10 MKJV)
As we walked through the mall in the Atlantis, we suddenly spotted
what was apparently a woman, yet a man, and heard what sounded like
a man’s voice coming from this creature. The person was dressed
as a harlot, nightclub entertainer, or dance hall girl, seminude with
wig, makeup, short skirt, high heels, and stockings.
It was Bill Nelson, the inventor of the QXCI or SCIO, as it was later
called, which energy device has taken the alternative health world
by storm. Though many different alternative healthcare modalities were
presented, the symposium was primarily about his product, the QXCI.
Bill was an eccentric, exhibitionistic, unrestrained, amoral genius,
it seems, and he did not seem to care what anybody thought of him;
he simply did his thing. And, as we found, he was a transvestite.
Dr. Horowitz talked casually to Nelson as Nelson stood there in his
shameful array. Horowitz was flattering and praising him for his genius.
Had he received a complimentary QXCI from him, or was he hoping for
another one, seeing Puleo stole his? Who knows? All I know is that
Horowitz’s spirit appeared to be of greater harlotry than Nelson’s
A Sample of Horowitz’s Fiction from His Site
“Narrated by Sir Leonard George Horowitz,
this 2-hour edutaining documentary decrypts Leonardo Da Vinci’s most famous drawing,
The Vitruvian Man. These revelations hold profound implications for
the Spiritual Renaissance and civilization’s evolution toward
world peace. Listen, view, and learn the secret sacred real Da Vinci
code missing in Dan Brown’s famous novel and movie, The Da Vinci
Code. The real code inspires creative genius and prophetic vision.
Those that seek to enslave humanity and prevent Divine-human empowerment,
otherwise called ‘communion,’ have secreted this knowledge
for thousands of years.”
Horowitz titles himself “Sir,” as though knighted. Even
if he were knighted by the Queen of England (and he was not), only
British citizens can use this title. But what are such facts and rules
to Len? Obviously nothing if they stand in the way of his self-promotion.
He also sees himself as a prophet, and perhaps even a Messiah. Well,
I go on record to say that he is not a prophet of God, much less a
Messiah. He is either deluded when it comes to spiritual matters of
God, or he is an outright fraud. I have come to the conclusion that
he is an outright fraud, likely delusional as a result.
Time and Chance Happen to All
I often follow up with people by email after we have visited, because
they said things I later came to realize were in further need of discussion.
I seldom have the presence of mind to perceive the substance or import
of their words at the time, so I must take time to consider them and
the underlying issues.
I am so slow on the uptake; sometimes it takes days, weeks, months,
or even years for me to realize things. When they finally dawn on me,
I like to follow up and express them. However, after having the conflict
with Len and Jackie, and knowing there would be things to say in aftermath,
I was chagrined to realize I did not have their email address.
As we were making preparations to leave the Bahamas, we ran into a
lady who opened her address book to record information from us. There,
I noticed Dr. Horowitz’s personal email address. I took it as
God’s provision and expected I would be using it. While this
was happening, Paul was simultaneously speaking to another lady who
declared Dr. Horowitz’s evil influence and fruits. How fortuitous
is that? We needed to address him further and were provided the means
to do so.
A Letter to Dr. Horowitz, and His Response
On December 21, 2003, after returning from the Bahamas, Paul and I
wrote Len Horowitz a letter:
I had the opportunity for a personal visit with one of the symposium
attendees on the last day. She asked me why I did not celebrate Christmas.
I told her I was raised a Jew and then became a Christian. She made
a face expressing disdain and said, “Why would you do that?
After hearing Dr. Horowitz’s presentation I want to learn Hebrew.”
I went on to explain what true Christianity is and means.
As for you, are not your fruits evident? You cause your hearers to
worship and eat from the Tree of Knowledge, and to reject the Tree
of Life. You are the supreme hypocrite calling others Satanists,
when you, in the Name of Yeshua, cause your hearers to despise Him.
YHVH is not mocked. His judgment is already upon you, one small portion
of that being Puleo and his evil doings, of which you have been a
dupe and victim. Your hard and impenitent heart cries out for much
In defense of disseminating knowledge, Jackie has said that people
are being reached at their level. Has eating from the Tree of Knowledge
ever brought forth anything but death? The very Scriptures you claim
to share declare the Truth and condemn your ways. You serve not YHVH,
As for your oft-repeated assertion that the heathen really intend
to call the Creator a dog, by spelling His Name backwards, the origin
of the word “God” is from the Indo-Germanic word “Gott.” The
German word for “dog” is “hund.” A reference
in Google as to the etymology of the word would testify against you.
This is but a tiny sample of your ignorance and arrogance. Each sentence
out of your mouth reveals such. What will it take till you cease
to refuse rebuke and correction from the One you claim to represent?
While your hearers applaud you and think you minister good things
to them, you do them great injustice and harm. YHVH is not deceived.
He knows your flatteries and their purpose of exalting and promoting
yourself. And while you entertain yourself with the flatteries of
your hearers, they must, of necessity, all come to ruin.
In the Name and service of Yeshua, by His grace, according to His
Paul and Victor
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, Dr. Horowitz responded:
The Messiah said: “The traditions of men make the word to no
You are as blind in this age of Christian dogma as the hypocrites
the Messiah exposed in his time.
Please do not attempt to contact me further. We have nothing more
to say to each other. I rebuke you and Victor for being the menaces
to humanity and the Christian faith that you have become.
Having earned by Victor’s prayer for harsh and destructive
judgement to befall me and my family, your collaboration with his
has earned you also the reputation of being among those for which
others should “Beware of those who call themselves Christians
who are not.” Our Creator is not the father of confusion and
destruction, nor death and disease among His failthful, as Victor
falsely peached to us. Satan is. I wish therefore, that you “Get
thee Satan behind me.”
Never contact me again! If you do, I will contact your server and
report that you are violating my right to prevent such uninvited
Back to us:
His letter is malarkey, complete with false accusation. I did not
curse him or anyone else, nor did I wish any evil on him or his family.
The man is a raving, pretentious, bluffing fool. Those taken by him
will be as him.
Now that we have reviewed our history with Len Horowitz, we will supply
you with the damning evidence from his own words published on the net.
The man is a charlatan and spiritual scumbag of the first order
whose mouth must be stopped. This can only be done effectively by shining
the light on his outrageous lies and blasphemous self-aggrandizement.
Len says that we, Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen, are “as blind
in this age of Christian dogma as the hypocrites the Messiah exposed
in his time.”
What he means by “Christian dogma” is anybody’s
guess, but the word “dogma” means “religious
doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof.”
Has Len proven that we promote dogma? No. Not only hasn’t he
refuted what we believe (and teach from the Scriptures), he
even identified what we believe. We are simply labeled as dogmatic
and hypocritical because we disagree with him and prove him wrong.
According to the dictionary, this makes Len the dogmatist. It
also makes him the hypocrite because he condemns us for the very thing he
does. As you will see from what follows, Len Horowitz is a serial hypocrite,
his mouth a revolving door of lies and disinformation that serve the
two primary things he worships - himself and money.
If there is one thing God hates, it is hypocrisy. Worse is the hypocrite
who uses God to justify his hypocrisy. Worse yet is the hypocrite who
doesn’t only use God, but assumes and pretends to be the power
and wisdom of God incarnate. And worst of all is the hypocrite who
does all of that and charges people for dispensing the “hidden
secrets” from his mighty throne. Len Horowitz is in this last
category, making him the chiefest of scoundrels, greatest of liars,
and vilest of hypocrites.
In the last section, we quoted Len calling himself “Sir Leonard
George Horowitz” and brought up the fact that he has never been
knighted by the Queen of England. So where did Len acquire his title,
if not from the Queen? Perhaps this notice from his site explains it:
“Horowitz Knighted by Sovereign Orthodox Knights Hospitaller
of St. John of Jerusalem
New York, NY—The title ‘Knight of Merit’ was bestowed
upon Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz today by Grand Prior Prince Michael of
Russia in the company of a full regalia from the New York Priory of
the Sovereign Orthodox Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem… The
sacred investiture ceremony was administered at The Cathedral of the
Holy Virgin of Protection in Manhattan where officials of the organization
acknowledged Dr. Horowitz’s meritorious career acheivements.”
Len takes an award from dogmatists who promote diabolical doctrines
contrary to the Scriptures (like worshipping Mary as a “holy
and perpetual virgin”), while condemning as dogmatic those who
stand against such satanic teachings.
He condemns as blasphemers those who use the Name of Jesus rather
than the Hebrew equivalent:
“The Messiah’s name is not the blasphemous Pagan name ‘Jesus,’ it
is YahShah. I wish Christians would get that the greatest tribute and
glorification anyone can give to the Heavenly Creator (Yah), is declaring
the Son’s correct name. It literally proclaims ‘Yah Saves.’”
Yet he takes a vow in the Name of Jesus with those same people to
get his “knighthood”!
Now is this a bastard or what? This is typical contradiction and hypocrisy
from Dr. Horowitz. (By the way, we have no problem with physical bastards
who are born through no fault of their own, but those who spiritually,
deliberately bastardize themselves are another matter altogether.)
Consider: Len takes an award from an Orthodox organization, while
saying (in another place): “I am in good
company as Martin Luther was likewise stoned as a ‘heretic…’”. If Luther
was “stoned as a ‘heretic’” it was by those
from whom Len readily received an award of which he boasts without
any sense of irony or shame.
So if they stone Luther, they are wrong, but if they award Horowitz,
they are right. How convenient! A thorny dilemma when presented to
any person with a conscience, but Mr. Horowitz does not have that “burden.” He
is a sociopath. Check it out: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html, especially
the first ten traits.
Why Whores Cast a Sigh of Relief
Len inadvertently trashes his benefactor, The Cathedral of the Holy
Virgin of Protection, in another place:
“The problem, as I see it, is with one’s personal frame
of reference, not seeing the forest of YahVah’s [God’s] cohesive
Truth and universe, and brotherhood of humanity, because of the trees
of egocentric dogma and psychological warfare orchestrated
by the leading devil-doers representing all religions, nations, and
political persuasions here on Babylonian earth.”
Horowitz rails against the powers that be, the status quo, the “cryptocracy,” and
the rulers of this world, yet takes awards from the same, to honor
himself and have more opportunity to line his pockets. How disgusting!
He caustically condemns the “medical deities” of this
world, while calling himself “Dr.” at every opportunity,
because of a dental degree he supposedly received from the same medical
that produces the doctors he denigrates.
An honest whore is for sale for whoever can afford her and plays by
her rules. “Whorowitz” is the whore of whores, seeking
to profit by taking a moral stand against certain activities or groups,
yet willingly receiving honors from the same, even announcing them
with a bullhorn (which he would prefer to call a ram’s horn) to
promote his image and business.
There are no rules or morals with Horowitz, except those which comply
with his guiding principles of self-glorification and making money.
He would give whores a bad name, if he called himself one. Certainly
those things he associates with in name, such as God (the Lord Jesus
Christ - Yeshua HaMashiach), alternative health advocacy, and energy
medicine, are given a bad name by all who witness his shenanigans and
don’t know any better about these things.
(As with physical bastards, we make a qualification with physical
prostitutes. Jesus said, and with Him we say, that
prostitutes of the body will enter the Kingdom before those who spiritually
prostitute themselves and offend others
in God's sight, using God’s Name for self-advancement.)
Touching the Apple of His Eye
Those who question his deity status or knowledge find that Len follows
the dictum of, “The best defense is being offensive.” Len
strikes at those whom he sees in opposition with some truth garbled
with vilification, lies, and nonsense, and many walk away shaking their
heads, not able to comprehend what he is saying or able to argue with
such a fool.
This is mistaken for, or construed as, victory, and in one sense it
is, because those he attacks do not have the wherewith or desire to
counter Len’s bluffs and insane rants. He has thereby been encouraged,
becoming more full of himself after getting away with his outrageous
shtick of “Divine Knowledge for Hire” for so long.
Now his Day of Truth has arrived and he is finished. The Truth, the
Lord God Whom Horowitz has abused for personal gain, says, “Enough.”
While we did not curse Len before, it was certainly brought to his
attention that his ways are cursed. He has not repented of them. Let
it be known that we curse him now. Let it also be known that whoever
follows Len will come under his curse, perishing with him unless they
repent: “And [Moses] spoke to the congregation, saying, I pray
you, get away from the tents of these wicked men. And touch nothing
of theirs lest you be destroyed in all their sins” (Numbers 16:26
Go ahead, Len, now is your chance to show everyone how you control
the divine life force. Manifest peace and prosperity with your awesome
powers while God destroys you under His curse.
We confronted you on your presumptuous sins against God six years
ago, but you insisted on continuing in them. You reviled us and have
mocked God, continuing to scam people with your blasphemous nonsense.
You went from wicked to wickeder, without any fear of God or love of
anyone but yourself. Yours are the ways of the destroyer, whom the
Lord has come to rebuke for the sake of His Name and peace on earth.
How fearful it will now be as Christ has come to judge you! As great
as you have made yourself out to be, so will He demonstrate how vile
The King of Con Artists
There is no superlative that this shameless self-promoter won’t
use to tout himself as the greatest thing ever to happen to mankind.
Some examples from his site (and highly likely written by his own pen):
“Welcome to the official website of Dr.
Len Horowitz. This is your gateway to intellectual stimulation, physical
and spiritual evolution. Herein you will learn why so many people have
credited this award winning scholar who recently decrypted Leonardo
Da Vinci’s most famous drawing, as a ‘World Leading Intellectual’ and ‘one
of the bravest men in the world.’”
“Dr. Horowitz is, far and away, healthcare’s most riveting
speaker He is best known for being a Robin Hood of sorts…”
“…by far healthcare’s most controversial critic
of the pharmaceutical cartel…”
“…the ‘King David of Natural Healing’…”
“His celebrity has expanded internationally…”
“As you might expect from his biospiritual
orientation, Dr. Horowitz is a Levitical priest by virtue of his
and ecclesiastical commitments. He is the body corporate and Overseer
of The Royal Bloodline of David, an omni-denominational healing ministry.”
“He has earned the respect of his greatest
critics, including high level government health and leading pharmaceutical
have learned the hard way never to debate him. This Harvard-trained
consumer health protector has often left them embarrassed, even
stuttering and convulsing, before public meetings and symposium lecterns.”
“Robin Hood”? “King David of Natural Healing”? “Levitical
priest”? “Overseer of The Royal Bloodline of David”?
Who but he would come up with these self-exalting terms? These are
undoubtedly not independent appellations, but “homegrown.”
If acknowledging him as the vilest of the vile is what Len considers “respect,” then
indeed he has earned our respect, the same as we respect the intentions
of a viper. Nevertheless, as those given the power in Christ to handle
serpents, we defang and devenom Horowitz. Stuttering and convulsing
is now his fate, even as he has wished to plague others with it.
Are You a Lover of Len or a Lizard?
It is the habit of serpents like Horowitz to project their nature
on others, those who oppose them as well as those who serve as bogeymen,
opposite their role as self-appointed saviors. Len divides the world
into the “children of God” (those who agree with him) and
degenerate “reptilians” (those who do not agree with him).
“That the snake in the garden of Eden
came into Eve. She bore his child, genetic defect. Started the Old
Testament’s war against
Didn’t you ever wonder why Yah had such a vendetta against certain
ungodly people. He wanted them killed for the same reason he had Noah
build his ark, to kill off the genetic defects. Were did the non-chosen
people come from that Yah was not happy about. He took pride and joy
in all creation, at the beginning. Remember Genesis? The mutants were
not his creation, but born out of the manipulation and deception of
the reptilian who had seduced Eve. That’s why they covered their
genitals after the snake did his dirty work. The epitome of their shame
was their pregnancy. Eve and Adam were exiled for this reason mostly.
President Bush…is part of this alien
line controlling the planet. That’s why we are living in Babylon.
Beware of those who call themselves ‘Christians’ or ‘Jews’ who
are not. The ‘Jew World Order’ concept promoted over
the Internet and halls of deception is a false doctrine based on
seduction. The Creator’s people are in exile from spiritually-blessed
earth; living a nighmare manufactured by the cryptocracy, people who
run the planet. These terrorists are reptilians, not of Abraham, Isaac
or Jacob. They are at war, spiritual and otherwise, with humanity--the
Creator’s clone. These omnicidalists consider humans less valuable
than animals. To be the President of the United States today, and most
developed nations, you need to be part of this globalist cult that
replaced collaboration with competition and production with rampant
consumption. This plot to degrade and degenerate all of sacred creation
is the neurosis of the mutants and their unholy bloodline.”
If God killed off the “evil seed” with the Flood, how
did it reappear afterwards? We don’t want, or need, to hear Len’s
nonsensical answer, but we ask in order to point this out as the kind
of fairytale Hitler and other genocidal maniacs believe. A particular
group of people is inherently evil, while their group is inherently
If you honor him and his confusing tripe, Horowitz lavishes the praise
on you as part of his divine clan:
“You are a digital bioholographic precipitation,
crystallization, miraculous manifestation, of Divine frequency vibrations.
Get it? You
are the music echoing universally and eternally hydrosonically!”
Do you “get it”? Beware of the flatterer with his hand
in your pocket!
Awesome Powers Guaranteed, by Len!
For a fee, Dr. Horowitz will teach you how to tap into your divinity!
Len holds the keys to everything you could ever wish for! Read all
“The Love Code Seminar is for people to
express creative genius by Divine direction…. Available now is the most advanced technology
for optimal creativity for you to gain mastery over prosperity and
more…. Manifest your special destiny by attending an event that
advances the technology for unstoppable creativity…. And this
is your invitation to join the growing celebration of collaboration
in applying these secreted methods and music needed to miraculously
recreate yourself and our world to be optimally free and prosperous….
Here is your opportunity to be a hero, advance your leadership, and
prosper beyond your greatest hopes and dreams.
This seminar changes lives in the most meaningful,
positive, and productive ways. GUARANTEED!”
Is this too good to be true? Heaven on earth through Zen Len? How
can you lose? It is guaranteed by none other than Sir Leonard George
Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H., D.N.M, D.M.M! If he can’t deliver,
But let’s back up a second here. What exactly, Mr. Horowitz,
have you done with your “unstoppable creativity,” “mastery
over prosperity,” and “optimal freedom”? If you have
such powers, how come the “lizards” are still in control
of the world?
Can anyone come forth with substantive proof of having received from
Horowitz the abilities and powers promised in his promotional materials?
Let us hear from you, and we will gladly publish your testimony with
The One Who Does Deliver on His Promises
Jesus Christ promises living waters from within, eternal life, and
true freedom to all those who believe on Him and keep His Word, without
Isaiah 55:1-3 HNV
(1) Ho, everyone who thirsts, come you to the waters, and he who has
no money; come you, buy, and eat; yes, come, buy wine and milk without
money and without price.
(2) Why do you spend money for that which is not bread? and your labor
for that which doesn’t satisfy? listen diligently to Me, and
eat you that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
(3) Turn your ear, and come to Me; hear, and your soul shall live:
and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies
Did Jesus Christ ever charge anyone for these inestimable gifts? Do
any of His true disciples charge? Jesus said to them:
“Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give” (Matthew 10:8 EMTV).
The anointing oil from above comes without charge from the Lord of
Hosts, but the oil of snakes is for sale from snake oil salesmen who
How could anyone ever believe such a liar as Horowitz, except that
God has given them over to strong delusion? Men are blinded because
they choose to serve themselves rather than the truth. There, but for
the grace of God, go I.
Flim-Flam Man to the Rescue?
The grace of God, however, means nothing to self-important glory seekers
like Horowitz. He portrays himself as a hero and most significant human
being because of the awesome divine powers he exercises:
“The most common question people ask me
is, ‘How come
they haven’t killed you yet?’ The answer is, I live my
life beyond the limiting context of that fear-based question. It’s
like living in a very dark room. You can only trip and get hurt when
you forget your light.”
It is not God, the Lord Jesus Christ, The Light of men, Yeshua HaMashiach,
Whom Len credits or glorifies, but himself, because (as he informs
you) he lives beyond the limiting context of ignorant mortals by tapping
into his own light. He teaches you to trust in his knowledge (what
the original snake oil salesman was peddling to Eve in the beginning).
“At this point of mass ignorance and general
dysfunction, the only hope for personal and global salvation rests
in the mathematics,
physics, genetics and musical harmonics of love, which is completely
Divine, innate in humans as their natural endowment and connection
to the great universal Creator, and happily on the rise. Love, and
the Spiritual calling, is rapidly increasing among those responsible
and awake enough to call themselves co-creators.”
Len talks up the Bible for its “healing codes” and whatever
else he can milk It for in the way of “secret” knowledge
that he packages and sells to the simple-minded and credulous. By doing
so, he demonstrates absolutely no use for the real Subject of the Bible
and Its Author, the Lord Jesus Christ, or as he pretentiously prefers
to name - though misspells - Yeshua,
in Whom is all “personal and global salvation.”
Our Only True Hope
Mankind’s hope is not in mathematics, physics, genetics, or
musical harmonics that are claimed by charlatans to innately connect
men to God. That is mercilessly mercenary, predatory, antiChrist hogwash.
Jesus Christ is our only connection to God and true hope. That is why
God took on human form and suffered the things He did - to reconcile
you to Himself and to make you complete. Without Him, here is your
“He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he
who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of
upon him” (John 3:36 MKJV).
To give credit to any created thing that Len says you need to fulfill
you is death-dealing idolatry. To pay Len Horowitz
to teach you such lies robs God of His glory and you of your salvation.
It is blasphemy.
While Horowitz sits on his throne in heaven, you, his congregation,
have the privilege of paying him to relieve you of your ignorance:
“This is precisely what the book ‘Healing Codes for the
Biological Apocalypse’ was written to convey--an edification
of the congregation. Providing the meaning of God’s sounds for
the ignorant masses….”
Through Jesus Christ we are wise to the devious ways of the serpent
of old, Satan, whose head Christ has come to bruise. The ignorance
that prevents you is not of “truths” fabricated by the
one so high and mighty in his own mind, but of the Lord Jesus Christ/Yeshua
HaMashiach and His Ways.
“Come to Me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will
give you rest. Take My yoke on you and learn of Me, for I am
meek and lowly in heart, and you shall find rest to your souls. For My yoke
is easy, and My burden is light” (Matthew 11:28-30 MKJV).
Did Christ talk about the Roman elite, their global conspiracies and
reptilian ways, as the cause of your woes, or did He tell you the truth
- that your problems are within, because you are not right with God,
for which He is the remedy? He took up no campaigns against the secular
authorities of His day, which were by no means innocent. He knew the
issue for mankind was one of the heart, ever within and never
All His true spokespersons will tell you the same.
The Cream of the Crop Creamed
Here are some more of Len’s quotes from “The Insight Hour.” Not
only did he say these things, but he is proud of saying them, having
chosen these quotes for a special section on his site dedicated to
demonstrating how wise he thinks you should esteem him.
“Isn’t it interesting that no one remembers the Creator’s
name anymore. Rabbi’s teach Jewish people that they are not holy
enough to say it. Christian teachers proclaim the Messiah’s pagan
name and refer to the Father as ‘doG’ spelled backwards.
Horses eat hay to survive, humans who commune with ‘Yah’ thrive.”
No one is holy enough to commune with God. That is why we need the
Savior, Jesus Christ, rather than the knowledge of the imposter, Len
Horowitz. It is not our language or God that is defiled, but Horowitz’s
conscience and being. Read Hebrew
Names for God.
“The Messiah’s name is not the blasphemous Pagan name ‘Jesus,’ it
is YahShah. I wish Christians would get that the greatest tribute and
glorification anyone can give to the Heavenly Creator (Yah), is declaring
the Son’s correct name. It literally proclaims ‘Yah Saves.’”
Hebrew speakers agree that the Son’s Name in Hebrew is “Yeshua” or “Yehoshua,” not “YahShah.” Horowitz
once again doesn’t know what he is talking about and makes a
fool of himself by setting up “sacred” criteria and then
violating them. It was never about right pronunciation. Len is wrong
from the get-go for even thinking such a thing:
“Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, This people
draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips, but
their heart is far from Me. But in vain they worship Me, teaching for
doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:7-9 MKJV).
You can say the “right” name and be wrong (as with the
Pharisees of old and the sons of Korah centuries before them), or you
can say the “wrong” name and be right. God is a Living
Being with thoughts, emotions, understanding, compassion, and intelligence,
for goodness’ sake, not a combination lock to be guessed at or
picked! Horowitz would have you think that he alone has the combination
or wherewith to open the box of goodies he calls “God.” Inside
his box, however, is death and destruction.
“Our world is made deadly by leaders,
propagated fears, and resulting choices made by hoodwinked people.
From the English language
we speak, and the words we use, such as referring to our great Creator
as a ‘doG’ spelled backwards, to the toxic vaccines we
consider good for our children, the myriad scams relay, and rely upon,
one universal political scam. It is the greatest scam of all time.
It is that ‘common folk’ remain unaware of their uncommon
greatness. We are not simply human beings, but super-humans—eternal
spirits having a physical experience. We are holy children of the Force
behind universal creation. Convinced that we are far less, more vulnerable,
and politically impotent, we have allowed, even invited, our leaders
to enslave us.”
Yet how does Jesus Christ, or if you will, Yeshua HaMashiach, counsel
His followers to see themselves?
“So likewise you, when you shall have done all the things commanded
you, say, We are unprofitable servants, for we have done what we ought
to do” (Luke 17:10 MKJV).
Deception is more effective by mixing lies with truth. Yes, vaccines
can be, and are, toxic and dangerous. Mixing these known, provable
truths with his lies empowers Horowitz. Except there is some truth,
why would anyone believe the lies of conniving, cunning thieves who
come to pilfer, in whatever form or guise these thieves appear - ministers,
health advocates, new age philosophers and gurus, politicians, or corporate
We do not reject everything anyone says, including Len, because everyone
says some true things. Our point is to identify a great scoundrel and
false teacher for what he is, a servant of Satan and defiler of everything
good and godly.
Consider how antiChrist Horowitz’s preaching is. He says you
are superhuman and far too powerful to be enslaved, or taken advantage
of, by your leaders. The apostle Peter suggested the same to Jesus
Christ, the Son of God. And what did the Lord say to Peter?
“Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block unto Me, because
you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men” (Matthew
The Lord taught that there is no power but of God. Those in power
in this world are there because He has assigned them these positions
of authority. The Lord submitted Himself to this fact in the days of
His flesh, even unto death at the hands of wicked men, knowing it was
the will of God. Who are we to contradict God, saying, “My will,
and not Yours be done”? Will man prevail in this way?
The greatest scammers and enemies are not without, Mr. Horowitz, but
within. You are the greatest scammer and your own worst enemy. You
speak and teach contempt for fellow man and rebellion for profit.
“Awaken from your hypnotic induction!
Medical deities have you trance-fixed in a drug-cult. They use pseudoscience
like a siren’s
song pulls you along. Our global elite use the media’s mainstream
like a hypnotist uses his voice. . . . When I snap my fingers you will
awaken. You will not remember your enslavement by the international
bankers and petrochemical–pharmaceutical profiteers. Your nightmare
of slave labor with institutionalized fear will end. I will snap my
fingers and you will come back to your senses; to this normal place
and time, and you will remember that you deserve better. . . . That
you are divine by nature, and worthy of growing optimally with spiritual
sovereignty. With a snap of my fingers you will recall your Divine
spirituality to make your greatest heart-felt dreams come true.”
Horowitz mocks the “medical deities” and others in positions
of power, but doesn’t he do the same thing, trying to hypnotize
you with psychobabble while reaching into your pockets? Sure he does.
He is a lying, conniving sorcerer, topping it all off by being a “heavenly” hypocrite.
Will Horowitz snap his fingers and restore all those who believe in
him to their rightful places of Divine sovereignty and spirituality,
retrieving their souls out of the hands of straw men he created for
his gains? Will pigs fly to the moon?
“We are on the ground floor of a royal
Spiritual Revolution. Divine technology has been given to us for
bringing Heaven to Earth.
We are licensing it for a tithe in service to our return to lawful
and loving life.”
Yes, we come to the point, people. Amidst the highfalutin language
comes the pocket grab under the guise of a holy tithe to the royal
priest of the order of Horowitz.
“The context of Christianity is Judaism,
and at the heart of Judaism is the love in Christianity. Isn’t it time we celebrate
our mutual communion with One God.”
The one god Len wants to celebrate with you is mammon - money. He
certainly celebrates when you give him yours. And he says:
“If not now, when. If not you, who?”
A possible description of how Len makes merchandise of you, but there’s
one problem with this quote for which he claims credit: It
It is from “Hillel the Elder” or “Rabbi Hillel,” a
Jew from Babylon around the time of Christ.
Speaking of Jews
Len gives the Jews a bad name, too, being a Jew himself and conducting
himself in such a scandalous manner. But it doesn’t stop there.
In his glory-seeking money mania, he did an interview with Al-Jazeera
informing the Muslim world there is a conspiracy to wipe them out with
the H1N1 vaccine.
This naturally translates into “Zionist plot” in the Arab/Muslim
mind and stokes the fires of jihad against “Big Satan” and “Little
But that’s no skin off Len’s back, even though he is a
Jew living in the United States, because he is manifesting his divinity
by building up his prestige and potential sales. Appearing on Al-Jazeera
will make him even more famous.
Plus those Arabs have a lot of moolah. Who cares if they are in league
with “lizards” (if not “reptilians” themselves)?
After all, he has said: “These terrorists
are reptilians, not of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. They are at war, spiritual
with humanity--the Creator’s clone. These omnicidalists consider
humans less valuable than animals.”
Islam originated with Arabs, and Arabs come not from Isaac and Jacob,
but from Ishmael, the one who was not miraculously born, but half-brother
and antagonist to Isaac, the chosen son, and his seed.
Perceiving possible gain, Horowitz is blinded to the glaring contradiction
of abetting those who conspire with the express goal of world dominion
at the point of the sword and “sacrifice” of the suicide
bomber. In what is truly an insane move (or a fiendishly diabolical
one), he feeds Muslim victim mentality and stokes jihad fervor with
a conspiracy theory that makes no sense. Are Muslims truly the intended
target of vaccine mischief? What of North Americans who line up in
droves for vaccines, destroying themselves, to the glee of pharmaceutical
Facts don’t fizz on Horowitz. How could these “minor details” possibly
affect one in possession of such awesome godly powers, able to manifest
anything he wills?
What’s Wrong With the Fundamentals?
When anyone says anything to Len about his deviant ideas of Who
Jesus Christ is and what it means to follow Him, he complains
are “fundamentalist Christians” who are in abject darkness,
not knowing what they are talking about. How dare they question
one who is so thoroughly shining his own light?
Len has constructed a straw man called “fundamentalist,” lumping
all who question his “theology” under the general grouping
of the hypocritical and false religious that take the Name of Christ
in vain. (Of course, Len doesn’t name these groups, so everyone
can maintain the thought he is talking about “the other guy.”)
Smoke and mirrors are his specialty.
But the false Christian religion of other parties is entirely beside
the point. It is not the issue being put to Mr. Horowitz, which is
this: The Jesus Christ he talks about is not the same One found
in the Scriptures.
When the smoke clears, we see that Len’s real problem is not
with “fundamentalists,” but with the fundamentals, starting
with the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, Who is the Chief Cornerstone for
those being built on His faith:
“For no other foundation can anyone lay, other than that which
is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 3:11 EMTV).
Rejecting the Chief Cornerstone, Len also rejects the testimony of
those built on the Stone. He rejects the Scriptures and all those who
uphold Them. The following exchange (posted on Len’s
site as of Feb. 2010 [discovered removed in Jan. 2015])
is an excellent example of how he does this.
Smokescreens and Shaky Sources
Matthew Tuttle posed this question to Len in 2002:
“Considering Muhammad doesn’t believe YahShuah was the
Christ or that he was ever raised from the dead and that to my knowledge
Native Americans are as pagan as the Romans and don’t believe
in Christ and are Pantheists, are they ‘saved’. …Can
their names be written in the lamb’s book of life when Christ
said ‘I AM, the way, the truth and the life and no man come the
Father but by me.’ John 14:6…given that verse I am very
confused as to how anyone can be saved without Christ, even our orthodox
“I humbly submit that the only discrepancy
between YahShuah/Yeshua being the ‘One’ and only ‘Way,’ and the Christian
fundamentalist exclusivity doctrine, is in the deceived mind of those
who call themselves ‘Christians’ who are not. The Messiah
warned ‘The traditions of men make the Word to no avail.’ I
believe this is the case with the exclusivity dogma… But contrary
to fundamentalist exclusivity doctrine, His one Way is of the heart
and spirit, not mind and belief systems…. I also recommend those
afflicted with this egocentric, dogmatic, desensitizing, de-spiritualizing,
socially-antagoning position that they read the Messiah’s words,
closely following John 14:6. In John 14:12 He says, ‘Yes, indeed!
I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do! Indeed,
he will do greater ones….’ Yeshua warned, ‘My people
die of lack of applied knowledge.’ Thus, final judgment is coming
upon America’s Christian community along with all the rest who
have been deceived into thinking their dogma, including that issued
by medical deities (M.D.s) promoting vaccinations and drugs, is the
one right Way.”
Don’t be dismayed if you don’t understand this answer
(it makes no more sense intact, check for yourself at Len’s site).
Baffling with male bovine excrement is the intent.
Mr. Tuttle, understandably, was not satisfied with this answer. He
“‘For God sent His Son into the world not to condemn the
world: but that through him the world might be saved. He that believes
on Him is not condemned: but he that does not believe on him is condemned
already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten
Son of God.’ Given this, can we believe that Muslims and any
of the innumerable factions of new agers and Buddhists and others be
“In terms of your disagreement concerning
Muslims, again, to my knowledge, contrary to your belief, Muslims
are taught to accept
YaHShuah as a legitimate Messiah, the only begotten Son of God.”
Muslims are taught to accept Christ as the only begotten Son of God?!
That is news to Muhammad and any Muslim familiar with his holy book.
Here is what Muhammad says in the Koran:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[112.1] Say: He, Allah, is One.
[112.2] Allah is He on Whom all depend.
[112.3] He begets not, nor is He begotten.
[112.4] And none is like Him.
So, unless Horowitz replaces Muhammad as the last prophet of Islam,
the central theme of Islam remains, “God has no Son!”
Who does Len think he is to change what a “prophet” declares?
Does he think himself greater than a prophet, a “Messiah”? Conveniently
and insidiously, he makes room for that, since he states that Jesus
is a Messiah rather than THE one
and only Savior of all men, as those with true knowledge declare:
“This is the Stone which was set at nought of you builders,
which is become the Head of the corner. Neither is there salvation
in any other: for there is none other Name under heaven given among
men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:11-12 KJV).
But who needs these pesky apostles with their inconvenient Source
of Truth, when one has Len? Is there no end to this man’s chutzpah?
He is our number one shaky source of information.
“If fact, and I hate to use this as a
source, the current issue of Newsweek (February 11, 2002 ‘The Bible and the Qur’an:
Searching the Holy Books for Roots of Conflict & Seeds of Reconciliation’ states
that Muslims do not place their major prophet, Muhammad, above the
stature of YahShuah. Muhammad is recognized as a prophet blessed by
the angel Gabriel, to deliver God’s word and lead Muslims from
polytheism and paganism to alliance with Jewish/Christian monotheism.
They hold YahShuah in equal esteem.”
If Muhammad’s words directly contradict the words and testimony
of Jesus Christ, and they do (if in doubt, read to your heart’s
content at Islam), then Islam plainly elevates Muhammad over Christ.
Recognizing Muhammad as “a prophet blessed by the angel Gabriel” makes
Horowitz the supporter of a liar and false prophet. And he supports
one because he himself is one, and he seeks personal gain in doing
There is no common ground at all between Christ, the sinless Savior,
and Muhammad, the murderous maniac. Len identifies what nature he is
walking in by the company he keeps.
“According to a personal conversation
I had with Minister Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam differs with the
rest of the Muslim world in accepting
YahShuah as the Messiah who will return.”
Now we are given the lowdown from Farrakhan, who once won the “Al-Gaddafi
[dictator of Libya] International Prize for Human Rights,” perhaps
for the politically tasteful way he praised genocidal tyrants: “The
Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s
a good name. Hitler was a very great man…. Now I’m not
proud of Hitler’s evil toward Jewish people, but that’s
a matter of record.”
Islam teaches its adherents to dissemble, just like their founder,
a notorious liar who taught that his followers were not bound to their
word, especially if it was given to an infidel. (Read The
Answer to Islam.) So how can you believe what a representative from “The
Religion of Peace” has to say when doubletalk is their god-sanctioned
The Nation of Islam celebrates something it calls “Saviours’ Day,” implying
that they, as Horowitz, also believe there are multiple saviors. On
Saviours’ Day in 2000, Farrakhan made the following public statement
demonstrating his allegiance to orthodox Islam: “Allah
sent Mohammed with the final revelation to the world. ... There is
no prophet after
the Prophet Mohammed, and no book after the Koran.”
But Jesus Christ says, “I will send you prophets….” The
apostle Paul, inspired of Christ, says that God has set prophets in
His Body. So much for the value Farrakhan places on the Savior of all
men. So much for the value Horowitz places on Him. Here is the proverb
fulfilled, “Birds of a feather flock together.”
Sleight of Hand Switcheroo
How can Horowitz possibly maintain he believes in Jesus Christ when
confronted with the Scriptures Mr. Tuttle gave him? He does this by
performing the old shell game sleight of hand, replacing the Lord with
a substitute, but with a twist. Len doesn’t hide what he is doing,
but even shows you right to your face on his website. Try this for
“You wrote, ‘The wages of sin is Death but the gift of
God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” Romans 6:23.
This leads to the conclusion that we are all lost without YahShua… Substitute
for YahShua’s name its meaning and His main message: ‘God
Saves.’ Now you can legitimately interpret salvation
as a function of diligent and high integrity monotheism and law keeping.”
Instead of Christ saving you, which is the plain meaning of the Scripture,
Len changes it to mean you can save yourself through “diligent
and high integrity monotheism” (whatever that is) and “law
keeping” (when has that ever worked?). Proudly bluffing to look
knowledgeable, he shows himself for the charlatan he is. Clearly he
perverts the Gospel of Christ, which is the Good News of all the promises
of God fulfilled through Jesus Christ.
Len continues to explain this outrageous swindle in his reply to Mr.
“Your question regarding non-Christian
souls being saved referring to John 3:16 with verses 17 and 18. ‘For
God sent His Son into the world not to condemn the world . . . but
he that does not believe
on him is condemned already, because he has not believed in THE NAME
of the only begotten Son of God.’
Again, my analysis applies. Why should be judge
or ‘condemn’ anyone,
Muslims, new agers, Buddists, etc. regarding their salvation when the
simple act of doing this violates The Word, The Truth, The One Way
. . . It’s a trap! Get it? Exclusivity doctrine is simply a belief
that brings about wars and hatred in direct opposition to monotheism….”
Judging that one is not of God or saved is not condemning that person.
Does a doctor condemn someone who has cancer because he diagnoses him
with it? That is the notion of the perverse Dr. Horowitz, who eschews
righteous judgment and perception because it exposes him as a phony
who doesn’t know what he is talking about because he doesn’t
know God. He condemns himself by presenting himself as knowledgeable
while stumbling in darkness and causing others to stumble. Woe to him!
To say that judging whether one knows God “violates the Word,
The Truth, and The One Way” is truly wicked and absurd. It is
unreal and stupid to think that one cannot and should not distinguish
such things. It is no different than depriving yourself of the sense
to perceive who are your friends and who are your enemies. To know
such is desirable and necessary.
Horowitz’s mindset, as applied in real life situations, leads
to tragic consequences. Consider the recent incident with Major Hasan
at Fort Hood, where this Muslim army psychologist, based on his religious
beliefs, shot and killed or injured many of his fellow base members.
The man had displayed many urgent signs of dangerous instability regarding
his Islamic sentiments and allegiance, but no one took concrete steps
to recognize and defuse the ticking bomb in their midst.
(We now warn you all of a spiritual Hasan in your midst. Wise up while
you can; seek God for His grace that you may know the deception that
mercilessly lurks for your soul by this predator, Dr. Len Horowitz.)
At what point will you recognize that a man is telling you he is going
to kill you - after you are shot and dead? What good is it to honor
someone on the subjective basis that he is a “diligent monotheist”?
“You have the belief that God is one, and you do well: the evil
spirits have the same belief, shaking with fear. Do you not see, O
foolish man, that faith without works is of no use?” (James 2:19-20
Buddhists are no monotheists, having many gods, or none, as they wish.
The same with New Agers. So how do these fit Horowitz’s profile
of “diligent monotheists” who are thereby saved? What about
those who believe God is schizophrenic, having multiple personalities
called “the trinity”? The One true God is three gods, they
say. This isn’t “diligent monotheism”; it is confusion.
On the other end of the spectrum are the Muslims, who insist they
worship one god alone, Allah. But Allah is not Jesus Christ, the Lord
God and Creator. Allah is a destructive devil. So what good does it
do to say you worship “one god,” whether speaking of the
Real One or a devil? (Read Devils
Also Believe in God.)
There are so many holes in Len’s spiritual opinions that there
is nothing left but sheer emptiness.
In the end it’s not what you say, but what you do. Len Horowitz
has done very wickedly by treacherously selling the Holy Name of God
for silver and filling a field with the blood of simple ones seduced
by him, making himself out to be something great. Having been warned
and not repenting of such presumptuous sin is the reason God now
Responses to "False Teacher - Len Horowitz - The King of Vain Deceit" and
- Len Horowitz: Thanks for this
courteous notice of your libelous printing of personal misgivings
and psychological projections you issue about me, whom...
response and Paul's and Victor's replies.
- Sherri Kane: You
have listed Dr. Horowitz among many great people that have really
helped spread the Love of GOD. And he is one of them. You as...
response and Paul and Victor's reply.
- Matthew Tuttle: Hmmm.... so
you steal the address’s from Len Horowitz’s
list so that you can bad mouth him? Divinely
inspired I’m sure. take me off your...
response and Victor's and Paul's replies.
- Dan Brule: No one is perfect... Or
everyone is perfect. Everyone is a unique expression of the Creator,
the Source, our Father. I met Len and spent time...
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and Victor's and Paul's replies.
- Cristina: If you really believe
in what you believe in, you do not need to put...
response and Victor's and Paul's replies.
- Daniel: No offense, but its hard
to believe spamming people with an intent to harm others and showcase
your religious prowess is the business
of Christ or...
response and Paul's and Victor's replies.
- Larry Smith: Having read your
emails to and from Daniel I am reminded of a story. The Preacher
scolded the congregation for not obeying the message...
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and Paul's replies.
- Carolyn: We ran a location for
last year's live h2o concert for living water and he seemed only
concerned with the money he was or wasn't making. There...
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- Carol: I know
Len, have met him a few times, read at least one of his books,
reviewed another one, and heard him speak a few times. At first,
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and Paul's replies.