Justin Quintin responded to A Curse on the Betrayal of Canada:
I recieved your e-mail and was wondering why it was sent/ what is has to do with your business.
Also, who is to say that Stephen Harper is so holy and virtuous to lead us? he only reprisents 33% of Canadians AND does not have the support of parliament.
Therefore, in a democratic country such as ours, it is the oppositions obligation to the canadian people to challenge the governments authority. And to bring religion into politics as bluntly as that? come on. you think the bible or God deems Stephen/Layton/Duceppe as a hazard to the canadian people?
Please take me off of your mailing list, as i do not need Harvest Havens political as well as religious views as a "gift with purchase" with my strawberries.
Wonder no more as to why we sent you what we did; I will answer your question. Our email, “A Curse on the Betrayal of Canada,” is very much our business because it is the business of our Father in Heaven.
We said nothing at all about Stephen Harper being holy or virtuous. He is a sinner like every other man – God says so and we believe Him. But as with all other leaders, God has appointed him to be the Prime Minister of Canada. He has done Canada a great favor, not because Harper is anything in himself, but because God has done it; for how long is up to Him.
Because the Conservatives do not have the support of Parliament does not mean Parliament is right and Harper is wrong. God has found the coalition to be wicked and has cursed it. So much for man’s righteousness and pretensions – God knows their hearts and judges them accordingly. Do you presume to know their hearts?
God has no problem with “Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition” challenging the government. As you say, that is why it is rightfully there. However, He has a big problem with scoundrels who pretend to be the loyal opposition but are acting simply in their own selfish interests. He is not at all pleased, hence the curse. They are hypocritical in their stance. Not that it is a first for these people, but God has decided to deal with them at this time.
As for “bringing religion into politics,” we are not doing that. This is about truth and good and evil, not about religion. There is a great difference. Here you are arguing the right and wrong of things without bringing religion into the matter, as you see it. I do no differently.
If you think I contradict myself because I bring God into the picture, too bad. He was here long before you, me, Parliament, or any religion.
He is also the One Who decides right from wrong and appoints whomsoever He will to speak on His behalf; who has the right or power to correct or even question Him? He has appointed us to speak for Him.
You ask, “You think the bible or God deems Stephen/Layton/Duceppe as a hazard to the canadian people?”
Indeed, I do, because God does. Otherwise, He would not curse their evil works in this particular incident. Let them do their jobs as the opposition, as they ought, in all honesty and righteousness, and they will do fine. If not, they fail. They have stepped over the line, and now you see the curse manifest.
You are wrong on yet another matter: You very much “need Harvest Haven’s political as well as religious views as a ‘gift with purchase’ with [your] strawberries,” albeit we do not consider what we speak to be either political or religious, but living. You will consume your strawberries and die, but if you receive God’s Word you will live. While you must pay for that which does not give you true life, that which does give you true life is free.
The truth is invaluable, and that is why it cannot be sold. Is it not ironic that while we freely offer you life, you offer us costly death, Justin? So then who are you to dictate and be angry with us? By what standard, measure, or law do you do so?
As for whether we have any right to speak to you, again, God sends us to do so. You will have to take it up with Him.
Still, as per your request, we will strike you from the mailing list.
Really? It was God who appointed Mr. Harper? so if god appointed Harper and not us, than God only had a say in 38%? that a little odd to me; "God" giving a country a minority government, and after 7 weeks of being in power a coalition is formed. to me, if god came ANYWHERE into play in the canadian electoral system (which i very much doubt) would it not make more sense for him to be on the coalition side, attempting to get the majority of the canadian people heard?
Why do you automatically assume it was the will of god to appoint Harper? I could just as easily (though i wont persue it because i do not make such presumptuous accusations about how a political leader is actually elected)say god was on the coallitions side and was helping his people get the voice they deserve.
The fact of the matter is that the argument that it was gods will that stephen harper be elected can be swung in just about every direction to help make it SEEM like a person has a rock-solid platform but in reality it is a theory built on sand.
As for their hearts, i never presume to know know them, but you obviously do: deeming the coalition as evil. You say i presume to know their hearts because i believe "parliament (which reprisents the people i might add) is right and Harper is Wrong.
You yourself have said and believe, "God has found the coalition to be wicked and has cursed it."
First off, where are you getting this info? Let me guess, god talked to you and told you this? talk about pretentious; god has deemed the NDP, Bloc and Liberals Wicked, even tho they stand for green shifts, helping the homeless and putting more money into charitable organizations? last i checked these are all ideas of the church. (i assume you are christian of some sort) Harper on the other hand has nothing invested to the people except the economy. one day the soils harvest haven grows its food in will be poisoned because we have raped the land of all its resourses and leave it a baren wasteland.
Also, what has stephen harper done about abortion laws in canada? Last i checked the abortion laws are still legal up to 9 MONTHS!
You said this as well:
You ask, "You think the bible or God deems Stephen/Layton/Duceppe as a hazard to the canadian people?"
Indeed, I do, because God does.
Where is your proof that god said that the Coallition is a hazard to the people?
Enough if this pseudo-scientific bickering, i would like very much to hear from you again,
Justin, there are no assumptions on our part. We know what we are saying because, unlike you, we know God and do not guess at His motives or proclaim things in His Name that He has not told us. We dare not. I assure you that taking His Name on oneself is certain doom if not done in truth and uprightness. We would not want that, ever, of course, because He has given us a new heart that desires truth and to see the right thing through, no matter what, at all costs. Thus we speak.
It is foolish to guess at what God thinks or does. He said this through one of His prophets:
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, or your ways My ways, says the Lord” (Isaiah 55:8 BBE).
You are further off from guessing at how He rules and why, than you are from being able to fly yourself to the moon.
God not only appointed Mr. Harper, He appointed every ruler that ever was, including Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Paul Martin. He also removed every one of them when their work was done. God is a majority of One. He rules absolutely and does not need any person to agree with Him. Here are words especially given for one who thinks and talks like you do:
“With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him and taught Him in the path of judgment, and taught Him knowledge, and made known the way of understanding to Him? Behold, the nations are like a drop in a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the scales; behold, He takes up the coastlands as a very little thing. And Lebanon is not enough to burn, nor the beasts of it enough for a burnt offering. All nations before Him are as nothing; and to Him they are thought to be less than nothing, and vanity. To whom then will you compare God? Or what likeness will you compare to Him?” (Isaiah 40:14-18 MKJV)
It is not the will of man that decides among men, but God’s:
“For lifting up comes neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. But God is the judge; He puts down one and sets up another” (Psalms 75:6-7 MKJV).
There was a great ruler (the greatest ever, in fact) in power over men on earth who came to think it was his own ability that made him great. He was warned by God not to think this, but when he did, here is what happened:
“And he was driven from the sons of men. And his heart was made like the animals, and his dwelling was with the wild asses. They fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of the heavens, until he knew that the Most High God rules in the kingdom of men, and that He appoints over it whomever He will” (Daniel 5:21 MKJV).
Do you think therefore that you will go on forever in your ignorance? No, God will also make these things known to you, and He is, by our words that you are now hearing.
You say to us, incredulously, “god has deemed the NDP, Bloc and Liberals Wicked, even tho they stand for green shifts, helping the homeless and putting more money into charitable organizations? last i checked these are all ideas of the church.”
You are young and naïve, not yet learning that talk is not walk, and not having learned to distinguish a real walk in godliness from a fake one. Your problem, though, is not that you are inexperienced, but that you think you are something and know so much, when you are not what you think and you know nothing. Either you have been surrounded all your life by fools who did not know the difference themselves and could not tell you, or you have been very stubborn and resistant to any that might have had some wisdom who tried to tell you otherwise than what you think. I would say it is a combination of both.
You call our talk “pseudo-scientific bickering” and say, “enough.” We reply that if you have had your fill then you should shut your mouth and open your ears to hear something of value. What pours forth from you, Justin, is utter foolishness. Because you are not teachable and willing to listen, hard circumstances are ordained and necessary to open your ears.
Yes, you would assume we are “christian of some sort,” but you do not know Jesus Christ, Who is God, so all the “christian” you know about is phony, just like the altruistic motives you ascribe to the political coalition God has condemned.
You ask us what Mr. Harper has done about abortion laws in Canada. What does that have to do with anything we said? Victor wrote you: “We said nothing at all about Stephen Harper being holy or virtuous. He is a sinner, like every other man – God says so and we believe Him.” So what is your point? And do you think your coalition will stand for a change in the abortion/infanticide law? Does Harper really have the opportunity to make such a change? You are arguing for the sake of being contrary, which is stupidity born of selfishness and stubbornness.
You write: “one day the soils harvest haven grows its food in will be poisoned because we have raped the land of all its resourses and leave it a baren wasteland.”
You know as much about farming as you do about life. How you treat your soil, or interior environment, will determine whether it is polluted or not. You cannot blame others for polluting your mind and spirit when you are the gatekeeper and the one who has permitted the toxins of unbelief, ignorance, hatred, and stupidity in your garden.
Lord willing, Harvest Haven will not be poisoned because God has taught us otherwise, and He will keep us. If He does not keep us (because we go into wickedness), then it will no doubt become a barren wasteland – from within. But you speak as an ignorant fool.
That is our proof that God has spoken to us about the coalition. It has brought us to you to tell you the truth about yourself. That is what matters and will make a difference in your life – to hear the truth about yourself, from which will come fruits, either good or evil. Good if you believe and pay heed to what we are telling you, turning from pride and ignorance, but evil if you go on stubbornly in your ways.
The same goes for all regarding the warning God has given against the evil of the coalition. The proof will be in the outcome, and it does not linger.
You have not paid responsible and diligent attention to what we have been saying, making false assumptions, and reading into our words things that are not there, and either ignoring the things that are there, too foolish to acknowledge them, or simply too stupid and ignorant to understand. The primary problem is your antagonistic, arrogant, and rebellious attitude, which the Bible calls “sin.”
In summation I give you the words of the prophet who spoke to that most powerful king and advised him according to the counsel of God, there being no separation of true religion and state ever, except in the minds of fools:
“Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the Name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and might are His. And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and sets up kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding” (Daniel 2:20-21 MKJV).
Hello Paul, First of all i would like to thank you for taking the time to e mail me back as i am quite interested in the topic.
anyways, you say that "God not only appointed Mr. Harper, He appointed every ruler that ever was, including Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Paul Martin. He also removed every one of them, when their work was done."
How then do you not see that this could easily be gods way of saying that Stephen harpers time as a world leader is passed and is now implementing a new one. also, god appointed hitler, and when his job was done (the largest-scale genocide on the planet) god tossed him to the side?
You also said that it is I who assumes to know everything and am an ignorant fool. How wrong you could be. I am the one asking the questions; wanting to get both sides of the story. You are the one presuming to know everything, including how i was brought up, raised, and tought.
You, sir are the one PRESUMING to know all and your way is 100% correct. You are the one not willing to even acknowledge other ideas because you are so consumed with throwing sciptures at me to show how wrong and a bad christian i am, yet you base all your knowledge from "intrinsic" knowledge that everything you know you know because of god.
Also a little side note of your soils (seeing as you have also taken it upon youself to assume that i know nothing about farming.)
because of the enhanced greenhouse effect, our glaciers have been melting longer into the winter and haveing less time to freeze and re-accumulate during the winter. the St. Marys resivoir is 100% fed from glacier runnoff and that runoff feeds all of southern alberta. in the next 30 years there will be no glacier runnoff, rendering all farming here useless.
Anyways, you also say i am simply too stupid and ignorant to understand. The primary problem is your antagonistic, arrogant, and rebellious attitude, which the Bible calls "sin".
i will end with the fact that i am a christian myself, with a good family backgroud and an understanding of ALL religions, not just my own. If you a person becomes so enthralled with there own religion that they dont even question anything or have a healthy skepticism, that leads to danger. If questioning a persons motives deems one antagonistic, arrogant, and rebellious, i truly do pity and pray every night for those people. there is a whole world out there, and if one is too sel-serving to see it, therein lies true danger, arrogance and sin.
We see what we see and have said what we see. You see nothing so you speculate ad nauseam and judge us by your speculations. We are not impressed. We do not acknowledge your speculations when we plainly see they are foolish. To do so would make us bigger fools than you are.
Having eyes in our head by the miracle of the new birth in Christ, we do have what you call “intrinsic” knowledge of you. We can see you, as all true Christians can see the spiritual nature of things. You are walking in the carnal man, which the Bible calls “the man of sin.” We know him and his corruption, having been delivered from that same man within by Jesus Christ.
You need to know that you are a Christian in name only, having nothing whatever of a true God and Bible-defined walk of faith with God. Your understanding of Jesus Christ and what you call all other religions is academic, superficial, unspiritual, and animalistic. Here is what a man of God said about his state:
“As for me, I was foolish, and without knowledge; I was like a beast before You” (Psalms 73:22 BBE).
How much more does that apply to you, who has not even heard of the true God (until now), let alone met with, least of all come to know, Him? But we know Him.
You are in the spiritual stage of what could be called, in this world, “unconscious incompetence.” You don’t even know that you are without a clue, walking in darkness as a fool, while kept there by confidence in the knowledge you think to have. (This will change – that is why we are here talking to you.)
Yes, you are asking questions, but so did the religious ask questions of the Lord. They did not ask in faith, and neither do you. They were defiant and looking to find fault with the Son of Man; it is the same with you. Shall we pat you on the back for your attitude and the company you keep? We don’t think so.
Your speculation on what will happen to our water supply still has nothing to do with good farming principles. You present us with a science fiction story as though it is fact. There are many credible scientists who debunk altogether the global warming hysteria that you have obviously bought into. And our point anyway is that God is above all. He will either keep us or not. He is above weather and governments.
What is your question about Hitler? Are you questioning whether God was over his genocidal regime? If God was not, who was? You see, you do not believe in Him at all. You believe in other things that you call “God.” You have made a god in your image, which is merely a figment of your imagination and no god at all.