In 2005 we had correspondence with Mr. Bacchiocchi, a Seventh Day
Adventist author and scholar. He
was unable to defend his errors concerning God and the Bible. After
a final attempt to reason
with him, we never heard from him again.
More recently, in May 2009, we were sent one of Mr. Bacchiocchi’s
papers, “Hell: Annihilation or Eternal Torment?” Searching
out some background information, I learned that Mr. Bacchiocchi died
of liver cancer in December 2008.
God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked; neither do we, but
there are some things to learn from this man’s death, both the
death in which he lived, and the physical death he met because of his
Life-deprived spiritual condition.
Mr. Bacchiocchi preached annihilation of the unbelieving who die,
because he was dead. He believed the Seventh Day Adventist doctrine
that the physically dead are asleep, because he was asleep, as are
all Seventh Day Adventists. They are among the unconscious dead. They
have never known the Life of God, Jesus Christ.
So what can this man teach us, from his life of death and death of
life? A post mortem can tell an instructive story to the living who
listen and learn from its lessons. It also serves as a warning to the
dead of their impending judgment.
Our subject presented himself as “Dr. Bacchiocchi,” a doctor
of church history, so designated by men’s schools of “higher” learning.
This degree and title may impress men, but not God. All of God’s
servants learn directly from Him, the Highest there is, without fanfare
before men. Did the apostle Paul introduce himself to the Athenian
idolaters or his Roman tribunal as “Dr. Paul”? The very
idea is absurd! Paul had left all that behind, calling it dung (Philippians
3:8).
By calling himself “doctor,” Bacchiocchi presented himself
as a professor of theology, an authority on God. Men respect this claim,
but here is the reality:
“That which is highly esteemed amongst men is abomination in
the sight of God” (Luke 16:15).
Not only did Mr. Bacchiocchi take pride in his doctorate from men,
but this doctorate came from the Pontifical Gregorian University of
all places!
Seventh Day Adventists teach that the papacy represents the antiChrist,
but Mr. Bacchiocchi is a doctor of divinity based on the authority
of the pope of Rome!
Consider the contradiction. This is the nature of all false religion.
False religion is in league with the Devil himself, by seeking the
approval and acceptance of men to further its self-promoting agenda.
From his website:
“In 1969 Dr. Bacchiocchi returned to his
native city of Rome to study at the prestigious Pontifical Gregorian
University, where
he was the first non-Catholic to be admitted in over 450 years of its
history. At the Gregoriana he spent the next five years working toward
a Doctoratus in Church History. He was awarded a gold medal by Pope
Paul VI for attaining the academic distinction of summa cum laude for
his class-work and dissertation From Sabbath to Sunday.”
If the pope’s office represents the antiChrist (and it does,
along with Seventh Day Adventists and all other religious organizations),
why should the honors the Catholic Church confers on Mr. Bacchiocchi
be acknowledged by followers of Christ or any persons desiring the
truth?
Of course they are not, not for a second.
If Mr. Bacchiocchi’s preeminent claim to knowledge and position
comes from the antiChrist, according to his own church’s teaching,
why should anyone follow him as a teacher of God?
In his zeal to fully maximize the benefits of his degree and honors
from the pope, Mr. Bacchiocchi overstated his accomplishments, according
to his Catholic Alma Mater, and the resulting contest of interpretations
went on for years, through many correspondences of considerable length.
Here is a very short summary:
Devil A (Catholic Church): Dr. Bacchiocchi, we must ask you to stop
using our good name to exaggerate your academic accomplishments at
our pontifical institution and claiming we supported the publication
of your dissertation.
Devil B (Bacchiocchi): You are quite mistaken in your charges. Now
that you have publicized this matter and have people questioning my
credibility, I will produce the beautiful diplomas hand crafted by
Vatican scribes and other proofs of the awards and backing you have
given me.
Devil A: We will concede that you received such and such a distinction,
but not the others, as you present them. We apologize for our mistake
about the publication of portions of your dissertation, which we did
allow.
Devil B: Good enough for now. Though some allegations remain unresolved,
in the spirit of Christian forgiveness, I consider the case closed.
With that, the audience applauded both devils as they went about their
respective work, spreading their religions as a substitute for reality
and relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. He had no degrees in this
world, and He confers none. He gives something infinitely better, Himself
and His Nature, to those who believe, obey, and follow Him.
The world thinks it a good thing that the various religious get along,
not knowing that they are supporting a single entity called Mystery,
Babylon the Great. No wonder the first title is Mystery, as men are
mystified and awed by this tremendous fraud.
This entity is shown by God to be “the mother of harlots and
abominations of the earth.” She, in contrast to another woman
- the heavenly Jerusalem from above, is a whore who is drunk on the
blood of the saints, whom she has persecuted and murdered from the
beginning. She has slurped and usurped, but now her day is finished.
Mr. Bacchiocchi is the quintessential representative of this mighty
whore, of her ways, and of her reward.
Around the time of his dispute with his brothers in the Catholic Church,
Mr. Bacchiocchi was diagnosed with cancer. After surgery on his colon
cancer, he began chemotherapy and a new localized radiation treatment
for his liver cancer.
He described his approach:
“My strategy is to attack the cancer in
the liver using three methods: 1) faith in divine healing, 2) the
latest conventional remedies,
and 3) natural products that can boost my immune system.”
Let’s call this the shotgun approach. You hope that if you spread
your shot wide enough, you will hit something. “Can the Lord
heal me? Sure, let’s hope that will happen. Do conventional remedies
work? I believe the doctors know what they are doing. Add those to
my list. Are there natural products that can boost my chances? Indeed,
I will do those, too.”
Belief in divine healing is not the same thing as putting one’s
trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. The first is a concept; the second
is a relationship. If I am in jail and I need to make bail, believing
my father cares about me is not the same thing as calling him and asking
for his help. Maybe he will provide bail money, or maybe he will think
I need to remain there and learn a lesson; either way, he will be engaged
in the process of exercising his care for me.
Throughout his ordeal with cancer, Mr. Bacchiocchi would attribute
things he deemed as positive to God, but never was there a word from
God or the assurance of a victory.
At first, the conventional methods of chemotherapy and radiation seemed
to be working. Mr. Bacchiocchi reported:
“It is hard for me to believe that the
Lord is giving me a new lease on life in a most unexpected way. Two
months ago the prognosis
was bleak: only a few months to live. Today the prognosis is hopeful.
The battle against the liver cancer is being won and the Lord is pleased
to add years to my life to make it possible for me to continue my ministry
of biblical research and proclamation of Bible truths in many parts
of the world.”
Was the Lord adding years to Mr. Bacchiocchi’s ministry, or
did the chemotherapy and radiation kill his cancer temporarily while
frying his liver?
He had no doubts in his Don Quixote-like delusional thinking:
“I believe that the Lord have restored
me to greater health and strength than I had before, because He wants
me to accomplish greater
things for Him in this Endtime. Pray that the Lord may give me the
wisdom to expose errors and present the truth in a clear and loving
way.”
A year later reality reasserted itself:
“…about three months ago, I was
made forcefully aware that my cancer was active again, because my
belly became like a balloon
filled with fluid. Three times the Cancer Center removed over 4 liters
of fluid.
On the basis of blood tests and PET/CAN scans
taken two months ago, my oncologist, a most caring and compassionate
doctor, told me that
my liver was not functioning (fibrosis condition) and consequently
the fluid were dispersed in my abdomen. Apparently the chimo and the
radiations had damaged my liver making it unable to process fluids.
The condition is usually irreversible.”
What happened to the Lord’s healing? Does He heal only to allow
the dreaded disease to come back with a vengeance? Were the lepers
He healed only in remission for a time? Did the woman who was bent
over and couldn’t straighten her back for eighteen years cripple
over again in a short while? Or did the woman with an issue of blood
that was healed after twelve years, who spent all her money on physicians
that couldn’t help her, go back to her bleeding?
Mr. Bacchiocchi, even with the news of his relapse and its cause,
said his physicians helped him:
“Providentially the Lord led me to the
Center for Cancer Care in Goshen, Indiana that treated my liver with
microsphere radiation
and chimo. These shut down over 90% of my liver cancer.”
They also shut down his liver.
God says that none of this world’s terrible diseases will come
on those who keep His Commandments. Is He unable to make up His mind
or deliver on His promises?
“If with all your heart you will give attention to the voice
of the Lord your God, and do what is right in His eyes, giving ear
to His orders and keeping His laws, I will not put on you any of the
diseases which I put on the Egyptians: for I am the Lord your Life-giver” (Exodus
15:26 BBE).
If the heart of one so diseased turns to Him, can He not deliver?
Does God bring blessing and curse together? Or does He do a pure work?
“Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes
down from the Father of lights, with Whom there is no variation or
shadow of turning” (James 1:17 EMTV).
Now all that was left for Mr. Bacchiocchi, after the failure of his
medical course, was option 1 - divine healing. Along with some of his
family and close friends, he met every night for a week in a conference
call to pray for the healing of his liver. Here is his report of what
happened:
“The healing effect of these intercessory
prayers soon became evident. The first night I slept with a new sense
of wellbeing. Somehow
I felt that healing was taking place in my body. I woke up in the morning
with a new surge of energy. I could only thank God for restoring my
strength….On that Sabbath I felt like a new man, with a new surge
of energy. Contrary to most weekends, on Saturday evening I felt great.
I was not exhausted as usual.
To express my gratitude to God, I asked Lyndon
Parson, the godly pastor of the Murrieta church, to conduct a private
anointing service for
me. It was a simple but very meaningful service attended by a dozen
of persons. I sensed again the reassurance of God’s healing power
in my body.
On Tuesday, October 14, my wife and I drove to the Center for Cancer
Care in Goshen, Indiana, to undergo the PET/CAT scan that had been
rescheduled for a week. We were eager to see if the new test would
show that my liver cancer had improved dramatically after one intense
week of prayer. We were not disappointed. At 4:00 p. m. when we met
with the oncologist to evaluate the results of the PET/CAT SCAN, the
doctor showed us the contrast between the picture of the last PET/CAT
SCAN taken over two months ago with that taken on that day.
The contrast was evident. The latest PET/CAT SCAN shows that the size
of the cancer has shrinked considerably. Not only the size was much
smaller but even the color was less intense than the previous picture.
The doctor explained that the lighter color indicates that the activity
of the cancer has slowed down considerably.
My oncologist was surprised because the shrinking
of the cancer occurred without any medication. In fact the last infusion
of chimo took place
over two months ago. I explained to the doctor that our family and
a circle of close friends had prayed intensively for God’s healing
of my cancer and for us the picture of the shrinked cancer was a proof
that our prayers had been answered and the healing power of God was
at work.
This experience has convinced me of the truth
that ‘the fervent
prayer of a righteous man avails much’ (James 5:16). Moreover,
I have learned that I need to turn to God FIRST, not LAST when all
the medical resources have failed.”
Mr. Bacchiocchi admitted that he had been looking to man all the time
he was talking such a good game about looking to God and giving Him
credit for his healing, though he did not confess it as sin. Only after
he found himself out of options and with apparent success through his
prayer group did he come to the conclusion that he had missed out the
first time. Now he learned that he needed to turn to God first, after
God had supposedly heard his and his group’s prayers and had
answered them.
He was once again proven a righteous man in his own sight, still able
to teach others about the ways of God. He did not confess himself a
sinner, but one who wisely learned from his mistake. Far from being
a sinner, he considered himself a righteous man, because his prayer
seemed to be heard by God.
How can one pray fervently as a righteous man when there is unconfessed
sin? Does God hear the prayers of those who are not doing His will?
“Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is
God-fearing and does His will, He hears him” (John 9:31 EMTV).
Mr. Bacchiocchi and his group’s prayers were made without first
clearing up the outstanding matter between him and the Lord. He had
not acknowledged his offense of looking to men rather than to God.
He had not acknowledged that he was serving and promoting himself by
his religious works. He supposed that he had been healed by men, but
he wasn’t. He was still unrepentant of putting his trust in men.
Jesus said it is impossible for such to receive from God:
“I have come in My Father’s Name, and you do not receive
Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can
you believe, who receive glory from one another, and do not seek the
glory which is from the only God?” (John 5:43-44 EMTV)
Mr. Bacchiocchi, encouraged by his scan report, continued to exude
optimism and false hope to the end. He died two months after his victorious
report, without a word about being wrong or in sin. To men, this behaviour
can appear as noble and praiseworthy persistence in the face of great
difficulties, but the truth is much different:
“A wise man fears, and departs from evil; but the fool behaves
overbearingly, and is confident” (Proverbs 14:16 JPS).
Mr. Bacchiocchi went to his death as a fool. Who can argue with the
results of his faith? Either God, to Whom supernatural healing was
accredited, does not exist, or Mr. Bacchiocchi’s connection to
God was nonexistent.
We know that not only does God exist, He reigns over all things, doing
whatever He pleases, and He is fully capable of keeping what is committed
to His care. The problem was on Mr. Bacchiocchi’s end, and as
any good post mortem should do, we have identified the cause of his
death.
Mr. Bacchiocchi was seeking a place and name for himself in this world,
rather than losing his life for God’s sake, which is the Way
of Life through Jesus Christ.
His last article in his last newsletter is a perfect summation of
his man-pleasing, middle of the road, self-serving ways.
In this article, he acknowledges the pagan origin of Christmas, yet
he argues for keeping it at another time of the year:
“Personally I am not inspired by the elaborate
Christmas decorations and celebration, because as a church historian
I am aware of their
pagan origin. Jesus was born in a humble manger. There were no fanciful
decorations to celebrate His birth. It would be more in keeping with
the setting of His birth, to keep the decorations simple, designed
to help people catch the real spirit of Christ’s humble birth.
It was the celebration of the birth of the Sun-god in ancient Rome
that was accompanied by a profusion of lights and torches and the
decoration of trees. To facilitate the acceptance of the Christian
faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it expedient
to make not only the Day of the Sun the weekly celebration of Christ’s
resurrection, but also the Birth Day of the Invincible Sun-God on
December 25, the annual celebration of Christ’s birth. This
point will be expanded later.
A Witnessing Opportunity
The recognition of the pagan origin of Christmas, with all its lights,
decoration, partying, and celebration, does not mean that it is wrong
to take time to remember the birth of Jesus at this time of the year.
After all it would be well for us to remember every day how Jesus
was willing to leave His glorious heavenly position in order to be
born into the human family as a helpless baby to become our Savior.
...
The time of the Feast of Tabernacles provides
Christians today with a more accurate Biblical timing and typology
for celebrating Christ’s
birth, than the pagan dating of December 25th. The latter date not
only is removed from the actual time of Christ’s birth, but is
also derived from the pagan celebration of the birth of the Sun-god.
Why celebrate Christ’s birth at the wrong time of the year because
of a pagan tradition, when we can observe it at the right season on
the basis of sound biblical reasons?”
If God instituted Christmas, would He not have given a date, time,
and instructions, just as He did, very specifically, with the feast
days that He gave Israel through Moses? The quotes above are man’s
reason for keeping something God never wanted. God will have obedience,
not sacrifice. And if not sacrifice, certainly not partying.
What observance has God introduced since Christ came, except the fulfillment
of the three major feasts of Israel, which were done away with in shadow
form after the resurrection, because the Substance had come to fulfill
them within through God’s Holy Spirit?
“Dr. Bacchiocchi” gave us satanic reasoning, yes, satanic,
because it savors the things of men (gift-giving, lights, action, tradition,
carnal pleasures) while using Christ’s Name. For this reason,
God hates it with a passion.
Knowing that Christmas is based on and uses heathen traditions, that
there is no known date for it, and that God never commanded it, the “good
doctor” still sends his patients to hell with his religious-coated
advice about Christmas:
“May our celebration of Christ’s birth, at any time of
the year, incorporate these essential elements: worship, giving, and
praise.”
Samuele Bacchiocchi represented the compromising spirit of the worldly
religious: “Christmas is heathen, but don’t let that stop
you from celebrating it. The pope is the antiChrist, but don’t
let that stop you from honoring him if he honors you.”
This accommodation with darkness is why he could not hear us, and
it explains his confusion at what we told him. The worst part of it
was not that he couldn’t understand, but that he refused understanding.
He wanted to keep his life, and so he lost it, as Jesus warned.
The Lord came to Samuele as a thief, through us, and Samuele rejected
Him. His heart was exposed and his course set for destruction. He did
not recognize his day of visitation.
Paul Cohen
Our correspondence with Mr. Bacchiochi:
We contacted Samuele Bacchiochi with this letter:
Greetings in the Lord Jesus Christ, Samuele!
I have some things to say to you about one of your postings, “The
Bible and Race,” which came my way recently by an email from
a friend in South Africa. I am commenting because the Lord has taught
me by revelation and the personal application of truth in my life that
what you have said is wrong, which I am sure you would be interested
to hear about, as it seems you are trying to get it right! Here is
your quote regarding the situation described in Ezra 9 and 10:
“Frankly, I find this sad story very disconcerting. It does
not seem to be a sensible solution to break up families by sending
away wives and children, in order to restore racial purity and to bring
out the spiritual reformation. After all, it was the men who caused
the problem in the first place by marrying foreign women. There are
no indications in the story that these women were insubordinate and
determine to promote their pagan beliefs. In my view, the men should
have been challenged to accept responsibility for their wrong doings
and to become the spiritual priest of their homes by leading their
wives and children to the true worship of God.
The only way I can make sense of the story is
by noting the importance that the Bible attaches to respecting racial
and cultural distinctions.
The Jews were instructed not to marry foreigners, because people are
conditioned not only by culture and education, but also by racial and
genetic patterns. This is why God has set some boundaries for the orderly
functioning of the human family (Acts 17:26; Gen 10:25,32; Deut 32:8).”
The problem there had nothing to do with race or genetics. It was
a spiritual issue. Some of those people would have had common genetics
with the Israelites, such as the Moabites for example, the offspring
of Lot, who was the nephew of Abraham. Perhaps all of them were related
in some manner. I am not prepared to research or comment on that at
the moment, and it does not matter, for we can see there was a genetic
connection between at least some of the people involved. It was not,
therefore, a genetic issue.
My own example will illustrate this point. In January of 1978, I began
to read the Bible. What was most noteworthy was that I was led to do
so of God, and I was led, in particular, to read the New Testament.
As a Jew I had never learned about Jesus Christ. I had never professed
faith or belief in God as a Jew. But at this time, God drew me and
began to reveal Himself to me in Christ. It was a most wonderful thing,
I can tell you.
However, I did not repent of my sins as I needed to and would later.
My old life of independence and carnal relationships continued. In
particular, I continued in a sexual relationship with my Jewish girlfriend.
God did indeed warn me of the wrongness in doing this, but I continued
headstrong into what I wanted. I ended up moving to California where
she attended school, and we lived together.
My conscience bothered me about living together. Rather than repenting
of fornication, however, I brought up the idea of getting married,
which we ended up doing by mutual consent. She knew I professed to
believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and it did not matter as long as
I was pleasing to her, and consenting to sin did make me acceptable.
I say this without suggesting the blame was hers. I was the one who
knew better, who was being called to forsake the world, and who had
the decision to make, not her.
I say that now with understanding. At the time I did not know what
was going on. In fact, because I was so clued out, and growing increasingly
perplexed and uncomfortable, I began asking the Lord to send someone
to tell me what was my problem. I could not figure it out, though it
was always staring me in the face.
Now, there we were, two Jews, having gone together to the homeland
of Jews, Israel, anticipating living there. We had the same genetics.
We had the same values. We were legally married. But we did not have
the same calling. It was not that she was belligerent or unwilling
to try. It was that she was not called, and I was. It was that simple.
A Jew is not one outwardly, but inwardly (Romans 2:29). We are not
to be unequally yoked with unbelievers (2 Corinthians 6:14).
There I was, having knowingly entered into the most intimate of relationships
with one who did not believe. Oh yes, I had my justifications at the
time, “She is favorable towards my belief, she loves me, etc.” It
was all justification to do what I wanted to, being also led by what
she wanted to do. I gave myself over to sin.
When God graciously answered my prayer and sent a man to Israel to
tell me these things (God having shown him that I was in fornication),
I knew what I was told was true. I could not deny it, being convicted
of the truth, though I did question it, and I looked for a possible
way out of the verdict from God that I needed to leave my wife. I considered
that if what I was told was the truth, the Scriptures would also speak
to what was required of me, and They would confirm that ill-conceived
and unholy marriages were put away by the commandment of God.
Samuele, it was the very Scriptures of Ezra referred to in your writing
that the Lord showed me as corroboration of His will and commandment.
He led me into those verses and opened my understanding, which came
at a dear price, but truth bought cheap is soon despised. It was not
what I wanted to hear, yet at the same time, I rejoiced greatly that
God had answered me.
No, the issue was not race; it has always been the calling and will
of God. Sons of God cannot choose the daughters of men as they please.
They are not sons by DNA, but by His Spirit. I was called at that time
to become a son of God, and my kinswoman of the flesh was not.
The viewpoint and counsel you suggest are not good. You would have
told me to try to win my spouse over as priest of the household, which
would have been a work of the flesh, unclean; it would have brought
the wrath of God rather than His blessing. In fact I did try very hard
to do what you suggest, and it did not work. It made things worse.
Believers who marry contrary to the expressed will of God do not have
His blessing. He never did bring such together. What He has brought
together let no man take apart, but what He has not sanctioned let
no man keep together. It works both ways.
Unbelievers can also marry against the will of God. Anything that
can be sanctified by God can be polluted by men, whether it is the
land, marriage, or the Sabbath - nothing is clean and holy of itself
except God. If God is not building the house, they that do so labor
in vain.
When I left my wife, a professing evangelical believer that had been
a college mate of mine tried to tell me that I was wrong to do so,
even though he had reservations about our relationship before we married.
The Lord gave me this Scripture in reply to his arguments, which also
applies to what you have stated contrary to the expressed will and
work of God:
“There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the
LORD” (Proverbs 21:30).
You might say, Samuele, that it was not clearly the counsel of God
for the men to forsake their wives, but hear what the Scripture reports
Ezra the priest, who officiated over the people in the Name of God,
said:
“Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers,
and do His pleasure; and separate yourselves from the people of the
land, and from the strange wives” (Ezra 10:11).
That you do not know or understand these things shows me that you
have not yet learned to know what is clean and what is unclean. Are
you called to be a son of God? If so, you must come out from among
them. Who are they that you must come out from? You are receiving The
Issues of Life, which speak of the differences between light and darkness.
There is more on our web page. I suggest you read:
I pray that these things I share with you will encourage you in the
faith, to identify with the Lord Jesus Christ at all costs. Anything
less is not acceptable or profitable. The will of the Lord be done.
Paul Cohen
Mr. Bacchiocchi’s reply:
HI PAUL:
THE POINT IS THAT FORCED RACE INTEGRATION IS UNKNOWN IN THE BIBLE.
In the Apostolic church JEWISH CHRISTIANS AND GENTILE CHRISTIANS coexhisted
as two separate churches. No forced integration.
--
Christian regards
Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D.,
Retired Professor of Theology and Church History, Andrews University
4990 Appian Way
Berrien Springs, MI 49103
Phone (269) 471-2915 Fax (269) 978-6898
WWW HOMEPAGE: http://www.biblicalperspectives.com
Paul’s reply:
Hi Samuele,
Our wires appear to have gotten crossed. Did you read my letter? It
seems you did not. The portion of your letter I replied to was not
about forced race integration, but about God’s specific command
to separate believers from unbelievers in unholy marriages. I do not
see what forced race integration has to do with that, or of what relevance
that has to a believer in Christ. Jesus Christ does not force people
to do anything as men use force. Can you possibly explain where you
are coming from, and what message you are trying to convey?
What do you mean by saying that the early Jewish Christians and Gentile
Christians coexisted as two separate churches? What is the point and
application for us today? What about Luke traveling with Paul? What
about the Jews who ministered to the Gentile churches? Did they not
mingle? How do you apply this? I am a Jew living amongst Gentiles.
Shall I not be joined to Gentile believers?
Who is a Jew anyway? Paul writes that a true Jew is not one outwardly,
but inwardly. So all true believers are Jews, in spirit. And all unbelieving
Jews are Gentiles in spirit. That brings us back to the point I was
making in my letter. The issue of faith is not a race issue. God does
not bless any relationship of unequal yoke between believer and unbeliever.
To add to the confusion, by what you said in your quote (posted below
in my original letter), you appear to be supporting forced race integration
(using your definition of these terms). By suggesting the Israelite
men who married foreign women should have served as priests in their
homes to convert those women and their children to the faith, you are
advocating race integration, where it was specifically prohibited by
God no less!
Paul
Mr. Bacchiocchi’s reply:
Thank you for sharing your experience. Frankly I do not understand
what you are trying to say.
Ezra’s command to send away wives and children because of the
fear of idolatry, without trying first to teach them the ways of the
Lord, seems irrational to me. The problem were not the wives or children,
but the Jewish men themselves who failed to be the spiritual leaders
God wanted them to be.
--
Christian regards
Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D.
Victor’s reply:
Samuele, what we are saying is that Ezra, Nehemiah, the priests and
elders of Israel, and ultimately God, Who was leading them and speaking
to them on any matter of importance, as the whole Biblical record shows,
were directing the people to do what they did. It was God’s judgment
(correction/will). Although one will not find a record of God’s
speaking this command to them, the leaders were right in saying that
because they joined themselves in marriage to unbelievers, His wrath
was upon them. They knew that. As well, God was not discouraging this
course of action. If it had been so wrong, He would have made it known
to them, as He had with so many other things.
They were undoing that which was not to be done in the first place.
One does not please God by correcting disobedience by rearranging
the circumstances brought on by sin. One may find divorce in this
case to be abhorrent to the flesh, but to such Jesus says, “Get
behind Me, Satan! You are an offence to Me because you savor the
things of men and not of God.”
Of all the SDAs I have met, I can understand your thoughts and judgment
on this matter. You think as you do because you trust your own righteousness,
your own goodness or concept of it, and your own ability to interpret
the Bible as you think fit. God is removed from you. That is because
you have never received the Spirit of God to understand the things
of God.
You need to repent of your own understanding and wisdom, which is
foolishness with God. All the SDAs I have known think it is their right,
yea, duty, and in their power to figure it all out with their carnal
minds, not considering, or even being vaguely aware, that the carnal
mind is at enmity with God. How can anyone be aware of God’s
perspective and will without His Spirit to provide the contrast?