Jesus Christ - A Great Man or Jehovah
Ruth sent Victor an invite to a Jehovah's Witness service:
It is with real pleasure that I send you a special, personal Invitation
to join me at the commemoration of the Memorial of the death of the Greatest
Man who ever lived, Jesus Christ.
Victor sent Ruth a question and writing to consider:
Here is a very interesting question for you, Ruth. I don’t know
what your answer is:
Could Jesus Have Sinned? [PDF
Jesus Christ was a perfect man. Adam was a perfect man. Adam chose to
sin, Jesus chose not to sin. Thankfully, his life buys us ours, because
If he couldn’t sin,, he would have been little more than a robot.
Adam, as a perfect man, didn’t NEED to disobey Jehovah. He CHOSE
to. To please his sinful wife, I guess. Satan enters here, to promise
her independence from God. She bit. Chose to disobey, and that became
sin. Adam followed. Jesus, thankfully, didn’t. Romans 5: 18,19 “So,
then, as through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation,
likewise also through one act of justification the result to men of all
sorts is a declariing of them righteous for life. For just as through
the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise
also through the obedience of the one person many will be constituted
I understand where you are coming from. (I think I do!)
Ruth, did you go to the link I sent you? According to your reply, you
would not agree with what is written in it.
Would you be willing and
able to take that document and line by line or thought by thought,
as you see things, refute what is written there
by specific Scripture to show me how any of it is in error?
the Scripture you sent here: “For
just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted
also through the obedience of the one person many will be constituted
righteous,” is that not saying that just as by Adam
all men sinned and died, so by Christ all men are delivered from
sin and made alive?
In other words, it won’t be just JW’s
or Baptists or Catholics or any brand of Christian, but all people,
who will be
saved with the
Last Adam, just as all people were lost with the first Adam?
Good question! It reminds me of John 3:36: “He that exercises
faith in the son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will
not see life but the wrath of God remains upon him.” Similarly
Hebrews 5:9 reports: “After he (Jesus Christ) had been made perfect
he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying
So, Jesus, in providing the ransom to ‘buy back humankind out
of sin and the prospect of death’ provides that ransom to those
believing/obeying him. Not all mankind/religions do, as you well realize.
I am not able to accept any concept that teaches that Jesus is God.
Too much scripture denies that. ie: In luke 1, the angels announced to
the shepherds “He will be great, and will be called the Son of
the Most High.” Jesus himself at John 10:36 called himself “the
Son of God.” Jesus was sent into the world by God, so by means
of this only-begotten Son, God was with mankind. He died on that stake,
and it was his Father who raised him back to immortal spiritual life,
eventually, in heaven, (after 40 days of appearing to his disciples,
At John 17:3, Jesus prayed to his Father: “This is eternal life,
that they know thee the only true God (who alone art truly God” NE)
and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent” (Notice that Jesus referred
not to himself but to his Father in heaven as “the only true God”)
At John 20:17, RS “Jesus said to her (Mary Magdalene) ‘Do
not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my
brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father,
to my God and your God’ “. (So to the resurrected Jesus,
the father was God, just as the Father was god to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly,
not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as “my
I am going to Calgary in about an hour and a half, won’t be back
until supper, then get ready to go to the Memorial celebration at the
How I do hope you and your wife decide to attend!
I will be looking for you there.
Sincerely, as always,
Ok. You overlooked the last question in this letter:
“As for the Scripture you sent here: ‘For just as through
the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise
also through the obedience of the one person many will be constituted
righteous,’ is that not saying that just as by Adam all men sinned
and died, so by Christ all men are delivered from sin and made alive?
In other words, it won’t be just JW’s or Baptists or Catholics
or any brand of Christian, but all people, who will be saved with the
Last Adam, just as all people were lost with the first Adam?”
He also wrote:
I have another question for you, this time concerning the Memorial
event tonight, April 9th. Correct me if I am wrong. Your picture in
the invitation shows the wine and bread set out on a table. I believe
you said that you didn’t know of anyone in Lethbridge that would
be worthy of partaking, or the very few that would partake could well
be mistaken. Indeed, I believe you said that throughout the world,
rare would be the person that would be partaking. Is that so?
A gentle warning Victor: Jesus made very clear his followers would be
hated. Indeed, he said the day would come when anyone killing them would
imagine they had rendered a service to God. John 15, 18 - “If the
world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If
you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is it’s
own. Now because you are no part of this world, but I have chosen you
out of the world, on this account the world hates you. Bear in mind the
word I said to you. A slave is not greater than his master. If they have
persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they have observed my
word, they will observe yours also. But they will do all these things
against you on account of my name, because they do not know him that
sent me.” Jesus continues in that vein until chapter 16 where he
warns us that people will actaually kill us, thinking they are doing
God a service.
So when you mention the Name: Jehovah’s witnesses, expect about
anything. That’s why the general hatred for us among people. It
doesn’t bother us, if confirms the prophecy is true. It helps if
you understand that.
Jehovah is searching all hearts, and is drawing those to him with hearts
he approves. Jeremian 17:10: “I Jehovah am searching the heart,
examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways,
according to the fruitage of his dealings.” If a persons heart
is right, then Jehovah draws that one to him through the preaching we
are doing, and what a happy day that is, when another one finds the narrow
road that leads to life!
Which reminds me of the second e-mail this a.m. Im not sure if its come
in before, my computer needs a tune up! Matthew 7: starting at verse
13 Jesus says: “Go in through the narrow gate (1 gate!) because
broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many
are the ones going in through it, whereas narrow is the gate and cramped
the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it. (15)
Be on the watch for the false prophets, that come to you in sheep’s
covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will
recognize them. Read please, up to verse 21 where he said: “Not
everyone saying to me ‘Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom
of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the
heavens will. Many will say in that day did we not prophesy in your name,
and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your
name? And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you. Get away
from me, you workers of lawlessness.”
Clearly, a warning about the proliferation of ‘false prophets’,
and confirmation that only those ‘doing the will of my Father will
enter into the kingdom.
So not all religions qualify. In fact, only one does.
The one doing the will of his father, Jehovah God.
So, please keep on praying to Jehovah, and asking questions, and I will
do the very best I can to answer all.
Victor went to the meeting and recorded the event:
We were agreed that I alone attend the JW Memorial at Stafford. I sat
with Ruth and husband Al. Everyone was dressed. I think there were two
outsiders of about 250 people - I and one young hard-looking fellow,
unless other outsiders were there that were similarly dressed as the
Ralph and Evelyn Olson were there, and I met Terry Fox again. I met
Alana, Ruth’s daughter; Marilyn met her husband, Kelly, coincidentally,
as he was on the street directing traffic.
They sang two hymns, had three prayers and a sermon on the breaking
of bread and drinking of the cup, as recorded in the gospels and 1
1 Corinthians 11:23-26 MKJV
(23) For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that
the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;
(24) And giving thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this
is My body, which is broken for you; this do in remembrance of Me.”
(25) In the same way He took the cup also, after supping, saying, “This
cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink it, do this
in remembrance of Me.”
(26) For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you show
the Lord’s death until He shall come.
They had several ushers pass the bread on a bread and butter plate.
It was unleavened and small. Nobody partook of it; they just passed
it on throughout the whole congregation. They then returned the bread
to the table and passed the wine in three stemware glasses. Nobody
that I could see partook of the wine. (I was tempted to partake, and
I would have been the only one to do so, but didn’t feel led
to do so.) I find it so ironic that they pray, preach, and read from
Scripture that they are obeying the Lord by holding this memorial to
partake of the bread and wine representing His flesh and blood, then
they do not partake, which was what He specifically told His disciples
to do. How very strange that this contradiction is entirely lost on
When the service was over, Ruth asked me if I was disappointed. “On
the contrary,” I replied, “I am very thankful I came.” And
I was! I felt perfectly comfortable there and would have had a difficult
time believing it if someone had told me they passed the bread and
wine but could not/would not partake of it. They believe the partaking
is only for the 144,000 (Revelation 7:4; 14:1-5), of whom there are
very few left alive in their estimation (Ruth, who is in her early ‘70’s,
believes she knows one such person, a “saintly woman who is 93
or so”). Of 17 million JW’s, they had 9,000 partake of
the bread and wine in 2008.
Ruth believes that many of those partaking do not do so legitimately,
being presumptuous or deluded or both.
The people are very friendly (young and old alike) and try to make
an effort to smile, acknowledge a stranger, introduce themselves, and
make one feel welcome.
Ruth wants so much to convert me and hopes for Bible studies. I am
sending her questions, which are designed to make her think.
Ruth wrote more to Victor:
Some things I DO know!
one is that: God cannot lie (Titus 1:2)
and, that God cannot die (Habakuk 1:12, see also 1 Tim. 1:17, Rev 15:3)
And to believe anything else on this subject is to deny the ransom sacrifice
of Jesus Christ, God’s most precious gift to mankind. If we accept
scripture as is, in total, as God’s word, it’s pretty clear.
There is much more Victor, but are you too closed to consider it? I
know, if you had the job of detecting which money is counterfeit, would
you run all over studying money to figure which is real? By carefully
engaging in a study of the Bible, you can figure out the true religion,
you don’t need to run all over examining all of them. The Bible
is truly the word of God, studying it will help us find the real truths
I know you heard enough about the ransom to at least make you think,
and you can let me know if you would like us to call and discuss it further.
Be honest Victor with yourself. Change is difficult, but possible.
We have a little book called “What does the Bible Really Teach.” Subject
by subject, it clarifys doctrines in a consistent pattern of accepting
what Gods word says on the matter.
Ruth, you say, “And to believe anything
else on this subject is to deny the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ,
God’s most precious
gift to mankind.”
So you are saying that if I believe Jesus Christ is God, I am denying
His ransom. How is it, then, that we have been forgiven our sins and
have received His new life, not to sin anymore, if we are denying Him
by calling Him Lord and God? Is it not by His ransom only that one
can be forgiven, freed of guilt, and delivered from the power and tyranny
of the carnal nature? All of these I have personally experienced years
ago, and they have remained with me to this day. Have you experienced
The Scriptures do indeed declare that God cannot lie:
“On hope of eternal life, which God, Who cannot lie, promised before
the eternal times” (Titus 1:2 MKJV).
Concerning the matter of God’s not being able to die, one Scripture
you give is from your version, which plainly does not say what almost
all other versions say:
“Are you not from long ago, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you
do not die. O Jehovah, for a judgment you have set it; and, O Rock, for
a reproving you have founded it” (Habakkuk 1:12 NWT).
“Are You not from everlasting, O Jehovah my God, my Holy One? We
shall not die. O Jehovah, You have ordained them for judgment; and, my
You have established them for correction” (Habakkuk 1:12 MKJV).
It is true that there is a considerable difference of opinion as to
what the correct translation of that passage is. However, the context
of the passage is plainly the prophet’s concern that Judah is
about to suffer a fearful judgment. He is afraid of their death, not
Jehovah’s. Look at verse thirteen, for example (not to mention
the first eleven or the rest of Habakkuk):
“You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, and can not look upon
vexation. Why do You look upon those who deal deceitfully? Will You be
when the wicked swallows one more righteous than he?” (Habakkuk
The Hebrew word “mooth” has not only the meaning of dying
but of being killed or destroyed. Again, with the revelation from Jehovah
that a terrible and ruthless nation (Chaldea) was assigned by Jehovah
and on its way to Judah to destroy, the prophet was not concerned about
His Maker as much as about his own people and himself.
Be honest, Ruth, and pay attention to sound reason rather than to careless
and presumptuous translation that adds and subtracts from the Word
of God, dealing death to both the translators and those who blindly
It is no secret to me that the ones rendering the New World Translation
were not linguistic scholars or skilled and educated in translation,
or for that matter, and most importantly of all, familiar with the
ways and Person of Jehovah.
Another verse you give also does not speak of God’s inability
to die, even in your corrupted translation:
“Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, [the] only
God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen” (I Timothy 1:17
You may argue that the word “incorruptible” means “inability
to die,” yet Jesus died and the Scripture declared that He did
not see corruption:
“For You will not leave My soul in hell; You will not allow Your
Holy One to see corruption” (Psalms 16:10 MKJV).
Peter refers to David’s Psalm in his speech at Pentecost:
“Because You will not leave My soul in Hades, nor will You allow
Your holy One to see corruption” (Acts 2:27 MKJV).
Though Christ’s body was put to death, He was never dead:
“For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust,
that He might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the
made alive in the Spirit; in which also He went and preached to the
spirits in prison” (1 Peter 3:18-19 MKJV).
“And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be
with Me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43 MKJV).
Not only could God die, but He had to die, to demonstrate His power
in overcoming death for us, by destroying him who held us in death’s
“Since then the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He also
Himself likewise partook of the same; that through death He might destroy
who had the power of death (that is, the Devil)” (Hebrews 2:14
Perhaps you erred in your reference here, but I do not see any reference
to God’s inability to die in this following passage you give, even
in your own translation:
“And they are singing the song of Moses the slave of God and the
song of the Lamb, saying: ‘Great and wonderful are your works,
Jehovah God, the Almighty. Righteous and true are your ways, King of
You have not given me reasonable testimony, with two or three witnesses
from Scripture, that God cannot die. What will you say about those
matters now? Will you ignore them, not acknowledging that you have
been in error and failed? Will you now go on to other arguments?
Whether God can or cannot die is not the point, however, though obviously
it is not hard to understand why it is a point to you, since we say
Jesus Christ was God in the flesh. I can say that Jesus Christ raised
Himself from the dead (didn’t He?), which only God could do,
as the Model Man, which only God could be:
Isaiah 59:15-17 MKJV
(15) Yea, truth fails; and he who departs from evil makes himself a
prey. And Jehovah saw, and it displeased Him that there was no judgment.
(16) And He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was
no intercessor. Therefore His own arm brought salvation to Him; and
His righteousness sustained Him.
(17) For He put on righteousness like a breastplate, and a helmet of
salvation on His head. And He put on the garments of vengeance for
clothing, and was covered with zeal like a cloak.
Only God can do those things. Only God has power over death, according
to Moses. Only God has the keys to death and hell, and only God can
“See now that I, even I, am He. There is no God with Me. I kill,
and I make alive. I wound, and I heal. There is no one who can deliver
out of My hand” (Deuteronomy 32:39 HNV).
He kills and makes alive, He says, as if to say no one else could do
so, thus proving Jehovah is God. Yet Jesus Christ said He would raise
up His own body in three days. Was He a liar? Or was He the One you
deny Him to be, none other than Jehovah in the flesh, called the Son
of God only because He came in a human body? Has any other person ever
been able to raise himself from the dead? No such person exists because
only Jesus Christ has the keys of death and hell:
“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His
right hand upon me, saying to me, Do not fear, I am the First and the
and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever
and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hell and of death” (Revelation
These keys He had, with the power to forgive sins, even before His
death and resurrection:
Mark 2:9-12 MKJV
(9) Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, Your sins are forgiven
you; or to say, Arise, and take up your cot and walk?
(10) But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority upon
earth to forgive sins, He said to the paralytic,
(11) I say to you, Arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house.
(12) And immediately he arose and took up his cot and went out before
all. So that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, We never saw
it this way.
As John records by the Spirit of God, Jesus Christ declares Himself
the First and the Last, the Living One. Who but Jehovah God is first,
and who but Jehovah God is last?
Ruth, you make several assumptions of me that are not with knowledge.
For example, using your very good analogy, you assume that I would
be going about studying various counterfeit currencies to figure which
is real. I have known the Real since 1973 and received His Spirit in
1975. That ended any searching or doubts in my mind. Until then, I
was in desperately searching and perishing. No longer am I perishing.
I ask you to be willing to be fair and objective, informing yourself
of me before you speak - read the record of my
spiritual odyssey. There
you will find clear testimony and proof that I have not only not rejected
Jesus Christ’s ransom, I have been ransomed and transformed from
sinner to saint, not by any merit of my own, but by His resurrection
power, all praise and glory to Jehovah God, the Lord Jesus Christ!
I will also call you to task on your words, “By
carefully engaging in a study of the Bible, you can figure out the
I solemnly declare to you that favor with, and connection to, Jehovah
God will never come by “figuring.” One never figures out
the true religion. I tried, desperately so, until I asked the Lord
Jesus to take over my life, and when He did, and when He gave me His
Holy Spirit, I had no more figuring to do – I had The Answer,
that being Jehovah God, Jesus Christ Himself dwelling in me.
If you have any regard or respect for me, you will read my
testimony and hear what I have to say about what has happened to me. You will
acquaint yourself with available information before speculating and
surmising things that are not true. By God’s grace, I would do
the same for you.
I became Jesus Christ’s bondservant or “slave,” as
your translator likes to put the Greek to English, which is fine by
me. I am a very thankful and joyous slave, who earns far more and has
far greater benefits than any king or world ruler that I have ever
known about. This even includes King David, King Solomon, and Moses.
You say, “I know you heard enough about
the ransom to at least make you think….”
Believe me when I tell you that I have heard and known infinitely
more of The Ransom than I heard that night with you, Ruth (I do not use
the bolded words loosely).
You say, “Change is difficult, but possible.”
I say that a true nature change is impossible for man, and only possible
with God, even as Jesus said. I discovered that truth by trying, failing,
and when found in total defeat, being changed by the Resurrection and
the Life, God Himself, the Creator, by Whom all things were made.
Willing to talk; no offense taken; thankful for you and Al, Ruth. Frankly,
the way I have been feeling lately is that my heart goes out to all
members of the Jehovah’s Witness organization. What do I do with
that? God knows.
HI. Thanks for writing Victor.
The opportunity to be chosen to be of the 144,000 was opened up at Jesus’ death.
Holy spirit was poured out on the 120 in the upper room in Jerusalem,
as Jesus had promised before he left to return to heaven. That gave them
witness their destiny would be in the heavens as part of that group.
Through the 1st century the calling/choosing continued. Then as the great
apostasy that Jesus had foretold took hold, true Christians of the 1st
century died off, and the dark ages set in. So very few were added to
the 144,000 as the years went on. In the parable of Matthew 13 about
the ‘wheat and the weeds’ Jesus explained (24 - 30) that
the wheat and weeds should be allowed to grow to-gether until the harvest.(Verse
30) Weeds being false ‘christians’, wheat being true Christians.
So there has ALWAYS been someone of that class alive at any given time.
Now is the harvest time (another subject) and the ingathering of the
balance of the 144000 has been going on apace in this generation. Not
many left. We are close to the end. So as they age, and die, and receive
their reward, fewer and fewer remain alive. About 8,000 last year thought
they were of the annointed. Only Jehovah knows for SURE who he has really
called, we don’t. Nor must we try to judge: this one is annointed,
that one only thinks he/she is. Not for us to worry about. World - wide
the number is quite small, compared to the 7+ million active witnesses
This is deep material Victor, and I would love the opportunity to get
to-gether and then could do a much better job of explaining how it all
fits to-gether. Perfectly.
I just pray I will be given that opportunity.
The reason the emblems are displayed anyway, is that we are obeying
Jesus’ command to ‘keep doing this in remembrance of me’.
And that we continue to do.
You had yet to address some thoughts we had and answer some questions.
The last question, however, was answered when I attended your meeting.
The question was: “I believe you said that
you didn’t know
of anyone in Lethbridge that would be worthy of partaking, or the very
few that would partake could well be mistaken. Indeed, I believe you
said that throughout the world, rare would be the person that would
be partaking. Is that so?”
You gathered, and displayed and passed around the bread and wine, the
symbols of His flesh and blood, declaring you were doing so in obedience
to the Lord’s command. You even quoted the Scriptures with the
commands in them:
1 Corinthians 11:23-26 MKJV
(23) For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that
the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;
(24) And giving thanks, He broke it and said, “Take,
eat; this is My body, which is broken for you; this
do in remembrance of Me.”
(25) In the same way He took the cup also, after supping, saying, “This
cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink
it, do this in remembrance of Me.”
(26) For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup,
you show the Lord’s death until He shall come.
You wrote, “The reason the emblems are
displayed anyway, is that we are obeying Jesus’ command to ‘keep doing this in remembrance
of me’. And that we continue to do.”
Did Jesus command to display only? Where does it say that in Scripture?
Or did He command to eat and to drink? I found it highly ironic that
while you gather with the physical elements, and with the express purpose
of obeying His command, you all, to a member, disobey Him entirely,
declining to partake!
You believe that only those you consider to be the 144,000 are worthy
to do so. These persons, you say, are numbered from the day the Lord
kept His last Passover meal before His death to the present day. But
where and how is that doctrine substantiated in the Scriptures? Where
is it written that it is only for the 144,000 to eat His flesh and
drink His blood?
How do you see yourselves fulfilling the Lord’s words that you
must eat His flesh and drink His blood, otherwise you have no life
or part in Him? (John 6:53-57)
Ruth, when I ask questions, I always appreciate when people answer
them with consideration and direct relevancy. I find it unacceptable
when people give me Scripture or doctrine, and then when I give them
Scripture and interpretation that appear to refute their doctrines
and interpretations of Scripture, they either one - give a failed and
dishonest attempt to explain how I am wrong, or two - evade the question,
or three - simply give doctrine and Scripture that do not fairly and
reasonably answer my question. Then, when I don’t accept their
answers, they tell me I am closed or dishonest with myself. But am
I truly closed or are they?
You seem to avoid my questions or comments. I understand you are taught
to avoid conflict, and you do not wish to enter it, and that is certainly
a wise thing to do much of the time. It does not, however, absolve
one of speaking the distinct truth and answering legitimate concerns.
And consider that you have initiated the dialogue. How reasonable is
it that you can say something to another, but the other’s words,
spoken to you after considering your argument, are ignored?
We have given you the correspondence with Gayla concerning the stark
difference of opinion between Russell and Rutherford. We would like
to hear honest, straightforward answers and explanations on these matters.
Your reply was simply, “Very interesting.” We think you
skirt around the issues just to convert us to your doctrine, ignoring
the indicators that are worthy of consideration and reconsideration
on your part.
When we ask direct questions, we would like to receive direct answers,
substantiated not by doctrine formulated by Russell, Rutherford, Fred
Franz, Raymond Franz, or any other man, independent of the Scriptures
or interpreted by them from Scripture. We are after sound, reasonable
I appreciate you and Al and other Jehovah’s Witnesses that I
have met – many of them – Terry Fox, the Olsons, and the
Storozes to name a few, and I hope that you will not cast me off for
my earnest attempts at getting straight answers.
What did I witness the “Memorial” night? I appreciated
the friendliness, discipline, and corporate dedication there. There
was involvement of all ages, generations, and walks of life.
Curiously, when Marilyn came to pick me up, she asked directions or
instructions of someone directing traffic, only to find that it was
your son-in-law! We then got to meet your daughter as I was leaving.
We can’t make these things up, can we? I don’t suspect
or imagine that you gave your son-in-law instructions to watch for,
and buttonhole, Marilyn!
Why did you ask me if I was disappointed? Were you expecting more from
the meeting? What was it? Please tell me. I was not disappointed, but
By the way, I appreciate your warning of being hated for the Lord’s
sake. If you red the story of my
spiritual odyssey, you would see that
I am no stranger to hatred and persecution. I lost my family and everyone
and everything in my past for faith in Jesus Christ and obedience to
His personal call. I am the black sheep of two large trunk families
and all other branch and foreign families. To them, I am anathema,
but I am unspeakably thankful that I have the awesome, undeserving
privilege of suffering ostracism and hate for His sake.
In the Name of the Entirely, Perfectly Successful Lord and Savior of
all mankind, Jesus Christ,
Dear Victor: How could I have ‘set up’ my son-in-law to
meet either of you? I didn’t know you were coming, nor did I
know that Marilyn would be picking you up! Just one of those strange
circumstances we can’t account for.
I’m finding myself in over my head in trying to respond to your
questions. My mind boggles, I get blurry thinking, and I cannot focus
like I need to do to to cope with your counter-arguments.
I’m getting awfully afraid, that we are simply going to have to
agree to disagree, and wait for Armageddon to see who’s standing
and who isn’t!
One thing I must mention, I know that there are alot of apostates out
there. I know they hate Jehovah’s people. And of course, the New
World Translation. 1st, because it restores the Name to the nearly 6,000
places where it was in the original manuscripts. A name that is, above
all hated in this world. If fact I see the pope has ordered it be removed
from every CAtholic work, Bible, liturgy, etc. etc. Remove it is the
order. they who above all pray the ‘Our FAther’ “Hallowed
by thy name”! What name? None other than the name of the only true
How Satan hates the Name! And how we love it, and love fulfilling the
prophecy in Isaiah 43: “You are my witnesses, even my servant.
. . .”
The fact is Victor, we’ve had many articles/accolades in FAVOUR
of the NWT, and there were excellent Greek/Hebrew scholars involved in
it’s production. They chose to remain unnamed so the glory would
go not to men (them) but to Jehovah God himself. So it’s easier
to find haters of the NWT than lovers. Scholars routinely praise it for
it’s honesty, clarity and consistency. You won’t find those
accolades on the Internet. Too many apostates!
Revelation 12 explains that when the kingdom was born Satan was cast
out of heaven, furious, of course, and ‘went to wage war with the
remaining ones of her seed (the woman’s, or God’s heavenly
organization). And by extension, we are the targets of that fury, and
hatred, manifested world-wide. Matthew 24:14 Jesus foretold, “And
this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the world for a
witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”
That work is nearly completed, and when it is done to Jehovah’s
satisfaction, the end will indeed come. We are waiting for that now.
But we are still preaching the good news of the kingdom until it does.
That is our message, and that only.
I feel kind of sad that I’m not able to go into each verse you
quote and tackle each point you make. I just don’t see a happy
ending for that discussion. It seems fruitless, pointless, a haggling
over words, translations, to me that truth is clear as crystal, and my
faith is strong.
I know you feel exactly the same way.
So it’s kind of agreeing to disagree.
I got excited when you got the 3 messages in 3 days, all from J.W.’s,
we both wondered if it could be the holy spirit in action. I knew then,
and know it now, time would tell. I got worried I was being presumptuous
in hoping Jehovah would/could use me to open your heart, but now have
concluded it was my zeal, my intense love for righteousness that impelled
me to call you, to call on every one who had shown a speck of interest
to invite them to join us.
I’m glad you came, of course, but must now beg off. The points
you make, the explanations you give, the viewpoints you have, simply
don’t resonate with me, and I feel certain it’s the exact
same thing with you, for my explanations, and my attempts to help you
to see things the way I see them. I’ve lost count on how many religions
there are in this world now, I know they increase exponentially, as people
get disenchanted with the ‘higher ups’ and leave disgruntled
to start yet another religion. You’ve been right where you are
for many many years, I suspect, so I must ask leave to bow out. I simply
cannot satisfy your needs/questions/points-of-view in any meaningful
way. For us to continue this dialogue is a fruitless exercise in frustration.
Let’s part amicably, on friendly terms, but let’s part.
I am so sorry.
Hi Ruth, Paul Cohen here.
We answer your objections about the Lord Jesus being Almighty God in
our section Jesus
Christ Is God.
There are, however, some things I would like to say about the only-begotten
Son of God. You should know that being called the Son of God does not
disqualify Christ from being God. There is also the “Angel of
the Lord,” Who is God in the form by which He manifested Himself
to men, such as in this instance to Abraham:
“And the Angel of Jehovah called to him from the heavens and said,
Abraham! Abraham! And he said, Here am I. And He said, Do not lay your
on the lad, nor do anything to him. For now I know that you fear God,
since you have not withheld your son, your only one, from Me” (Genesis
There is no problem, according to the Scriptures, with the Son of God
being God, any more than there is with the Angel of the Lord being
God. There is only one God, but He manifests Himself as He chooses,
where and when He chooses. Man is in no position to deny God in whatever
form He appears, but it is the nature of sin and unbelief to do so.
So your question might be: Why would God appear as the only-begotten
Son of God? The Scriptures give us the answer:
“For it became Him, for Whom are all things and by Whom are all
things, in bringing many sons into glory, to perfect the Captain of their
through sufferings. For both He Who sanctifies and they who
are sanctified are all of One, for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brothers” (Hebrews
Who but God can sanctify men? Jesus Christ is Jehovah God entering
the dimension of man to accomplish this great work. He comes to make
the connection with His creation in order to duplicate Himself through
those made in His image. It is God Who has come to take us to Himself
and to make us One. God, Who is Spirit, came in the flesh, because
we, His creation, are flesh. This coming of God is known as the Son
It is all laid out in the first chapter of Hebrews (my comments in
brackets; please follow carefully):
Hebrews 1:1-14 MKJV
(1) God, Who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the
fathers by the prophets,
(2) has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, Whom He has appointed
Heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds [Christ is
God the Creator],
(3) Who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image
of His essence, and upholding all things by the word of His power [Christ
is, and expresses, all the power of God], through Himself cleansing
of our sins, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high,
(4) being made so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance
obtained a more excellent Name than they. [Who but God is higher
than the angels?]
(5) For to which of the angels did He say at any time, “You are
My Son, this day I have begotten You”? And again, “I will
be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son”?
(6) And again, when He brings in the First-born into the world, He
says, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.” [Only
God is worthy of worship.]
(7) And of the angels He says, “Who makes His angels spirits
and His ministers a flame of fire.”
(8) But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and
ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. [Christ
is called God; there is only one King in the Kingdom.]
(9) You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity, therefore God,
Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your fellows.” [He
came as the Son of Man.]
(10) And, “You, Lord, have laid the foundation of the earth in
the beginning, and the heavens are the works of Your hands.
(11) They shall perish, but You will remain. And they shall all become
old as a garment,
(12) and as a covering You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed.
But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.” [This
is said to the Son of God. Only God has no beginning and no end.]
(13) But to which of the angels, did He say at any time, “Sit
on My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
(14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for
those who shall be heirs of salvation? [There are ministers of
God and there are those who receive them. Above all, there is God.]
Jesus Christ can only be God. There is no other possibility. Only God
has immortality; only He can create and sustain life. He has done all
of this through the only-begotten Son of God. That is why we worship
and praise His Name! Thank You, Lord Jesus, for making Yourself known
to us, that we have seen and known Your glory and have this great honor
of praising Your Name. Worthy is the Lamb Who was slain, Who sits on
the throne of God!
“Let everything that has breath praise the LORD! Praise the LORD!” (Psalms
As for your objection about this Scripture:
“Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended
to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, I ascend to My Father
and Your Father, and to My God and your God” (John 20:17 MKJV).
These words of Christ agree with the other Scriptures I just quoted
you. Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, came to die for our sins and to
be raised again for our justification. We need His death and His resurrection
to be made complete.
Christ’s resurrection power was not yet made available until after
He ascended, beginning at Pentecost, when He descended on those gathered
in His Name. Then were the disciples able to receive Him and to hold
onto Him. God, the Father and the Son, came down to become one with them,
and they went forth in His Name, preaching His gospel, manifesting His
power to heal and to convert souls, suffering persecution gladly and
overcoming all things by the power of His Spirit.
“Everyone who transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine
of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ,
this one has both the Father and the Son” (2 John 1:9 EMTV).
I am sorry you took the trouble to write, since I am firmly committed
to being one of Jehovah’s witnesses, and my faith is very strong.
It’s a problem of seeing things from opposite ends of the spectrum.
Our differences are irreconcilable, and taking more time out of our
lives to hash out scripture, verse, vs whatever, and translation, etc.
is simply an exercise in futility. As I explained to Victor this morning,
we are about obeying Jesus’ command to preach the good news of
the kingdom, as he foretold in Matt 24:14, before the end comes.
That is when all will be revealed, and I am truly ready for that!
Thanks for your letter, but I must ask you to be kind enough to delete
my name from your files, and let’s just say we agree to disagree.
I do thank you Paul.
Ruth, if I had been writing with the hope that my letter would cause
you to instantly change your mind about God, I would have never sent
it to you. We know that things don’t work that way. Look at the
prophets of God in the Scriptures - “Who has believed our report?
And to whom is the arm of Jehovah revealed?” (Isaiah 53:1 MKJV)
Though men do not believe our testimony in Christ, the Word of God
endures forever. There is no stopping His Word from accomplishing what
God intends when He sends us to speak It. We are not speaking to you
Your admissions, however - that you cannot understand what we say,
cannot answer the Scriptures we explain, feel uncertain about the outcome
of what you see as our stand-off, and conclude it is useless for you
to continue talking with us - point to the fact that you are in defeat
and darkness. You don’t have the Light of God or His victory.
If you did, you would know that speaking the truth has great value
and effect. If you were in Christ’s victory, you would not be
in doubt as to the outcome of our visits, and you would not walk away
empty-handed, without giving or receiving an answer.
When you have a heart for the truth, you will be willing to hear our
answers to you. You will know that we speak and defend the Truth, not
a religion, in order that you might have the victory in Christ. We
already have the victory and have nothing to prove or to gain from
We are not trying to talk you out of your religion. We are directing
you to the Lord Jesus Christ, Whose flesh and blood you are not presently
partaking in, though you must, as He says, if you will have life. While
you pass on even the symbolic elements, we partake of the Reality of
them. Because we are partaking of Him and have His life, we share with
you in order that you might have life, too.
I’m sorry you misunderstood me about your daughter and son-in-law.
I was not foolishly saying that you set it up. I was saying that something
beyond us was happening, not to be written off as mere chance. That goes
for the three incidents as well as communications with Jehovah’s
Witnesses within two weeks, all apparently unrelated.
I understand your inability to answer my questions. I knew you could
not answer them, and that is partly why I asked them – to alert
you to the fact that while you have man’s indoctrination, you do
not have the truth or the freedom that comes by knowing Jesus Christ
our Lord personally.
Believing men and having invested in them all you possess, even your
very life, I also understand your reluctance to pay any attention to,
and to understand, what I am saying or what we write at The Path
Still, the truth does the work when spoken (written and red) and I know
it is working with you to bear fruit by and by.
One of the sure marks of false religion is the forbidding of adherents
to read and hear what others write and speak. We are not afraid to be
exposed to JW doctrine or any other because we know the truth, the truth
has made us free, and we are not intimidated by anything against the
truth. On the contrary, we thank God for the opportunity that falsehood
affords us to speak the truth against it.
As you well know, I have no problem with you or anyone else coming
to the farm and speaking whatever you will. Those among us to whom
you speak do not need my protection or defense. They know and understand
and can give a reply or give you questions to think about, not because
they are coached and trained to do so, as are you and your fellow congregants,
but simply because they have been gifted through salvation by His blood
to automatically recognize error and give answers to counter that error,
usually with great ease.
You and I talked of the training in identifying counterfeit currency,
haven’t we? Only this is not by man’s training that we
have that wonderful power and freedom to know the difference between
good and evil, and truth and error, but by the indwelling Spirit. We
have the Resurrection power of Jehovah God, which is something those
who formally call themselves His witnesses do not have!
Indeed, Ruth, send us your best teachers and whom you consider to be
the most powerful and persuasive witnesses to the farm, as many as
you like, and we will meet you, gladly, without enmity or ill will
or even inhospitality of any kind. We are also not afraid of your literature
or that of any other, as you are afraid of ours, because we know where
we stand – on solid rock.
Your leaders stand defensively on the shifting sands of men’s
doctrine, and so they forbid you free two-way conversation with others.
Of course, they tell you they are looking to your best interests, protecting
you from the treacherous notions of the “children of the darkness
of this world,” which is how you see us and all others not of
your organization. You are taught to reject anything outside “the
fold,” lest you be deceived and snared. Simply put, you and your
people live in darkness and fear, Ruth, while we are free, reigning
with Christ in this world.
How did we get there? We got there through Armageddon! We have been
there, as I believe I once told you. And Jesus Christ has won the victory
for us. You and your people have interpreted the Scriptures carnally
for the past century and more, setting dates, fudging the results,
setting more dates, and coming up with spurious explanations for your
failures and falsehoods. That is the way of darkness:
“Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell, lest you
should meditate on the path of life, her tracks are movable; you cannot
them” (Proverbs 5:5-6 MKJV).
We have no problem with the Name, Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH. Whatever the
pope does, he has problems with all righteousness because he is appointed
under God to stand for evil. But as Pharaoh was appointed as a vessel
fit for destruction, so also with the pope, and he will have Pharaoh’s
end. Those presuming to be Jehovah’s witnesses will also find
they have greatly erred. I speak this by sure knowledge and revelation
from Jehovah God Himself, Ruth.
You mention the increasing numbers of religions. We are of no religion.
We have the Lord Jesus Christ, our Savior; He is our religion. Jesus
Christ called me out of religion in 1976.
You continue to praise the New World Translation, yet you will not
answer a plain example of error and my objection to it (Habakkuk 1:12)
because you cannot do so. Your indoctrination and life commitment to
the organization prevents your eyes from seeing and your heart from
comprehending the plain and simple truth before you.
You stop your ears because you don’t want to be wrong, but God
came to save sinners, not the righteous, Ruth - those wrong and not
those right; when you confess yourself a perpetrator rather than a
victim (He has come to save perpetrators), then you will see Him and
rejoice with all your heart, with all humility, while in contempt for
the way you have been before Him - not that He will condemn you.
Ruth, we are not sorry we took the trouble to write you. We are thankful.
(I see I mistakenly sent you our file I was sending to Paul for the
record – as you see we keep these for future reference, in case
necessity should arise. Excuse me for that, please.)
Watching for you, and thankful,
Now. You’ve got me angry!
Jesus clear command to his disciples was to preach the good news of
the kingdom in all th earth for a witness to the nations, before
the end comes. (Mtt 24:14)
You, instead, make files of those whom you seem to like to criticize
and denigrate and run us down because we aren’t taken in by your
Matt 28:19, and 20. Go therefore and make disciples of people of all
the nations, baptizing them in the name of the FAther and of the Son
and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have
Are you doing that?
A Baptist lady once tried. She mobilized the members of her church one
Saturday morning and got 100 out to preach. The 2nd saturday 50 turned
out, the third she was there alone. She realized they couldn’t
do this work because they DON’T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. So she began
to study the Bible with the Witnesses and came right into the truth!
Experiences like that can be multiplied many times over.
Since the 1880’s we have come from a handful to 7 million, and
to the ends of the very earth, literally, and the gospel we preach is
the good news of God’s kingdom, in imitation of Jesus Christ. For
this we have been thrown in prison, concentration camps, hated, killed,
and villified. But we keep going, until Jesus Christ and Jehovah God
say “It is enough” in their strength we will keep doing it
What are you doing?
Keeping files on what I said and didn’t say. Running us down.
Problem is Victor, you simply don’t have the holy spirit.
I challenge you people to get out there and knock on doors. Just like
Jesus sent his disciples to do Matt 10. Go ahead. Try it. See how long
We are the only people in the face of this world who can and do and
continue to do this work because we are the only people on earth that
have Jehovah’s holy spirit empowering us to do it!
Put this in your file and try to figure out more ways you can insult
Now you’ve made me angry!
I’m sorry I angered you.
Let’s look at things rationally and factually, however. The answer
to your ire is in hearing and receiving the true story. Are you willing
to listen to reason?
You commit the constant offence against me of accusing me of things
of which I am innocent, particularly given that if you red my
spiritual testimony, you simply would not be able to say the things of me that
you do. Why continue in ignorance, accusing me and looking foolish,
when all you have to do is open your eyes and heart, and judge what
I have already said many times?
Still, I hold no grudge or resentment toward you for your stance, Ruth.
Let me reply to your repeated errors and false assumptions in this
letter. Had you red my other letters and links I gave you, I would
not be compelled to do this; I am constantly re-inventing the wheel
in our correspondence with you, but I will still do it for your sake.
You say, accusing: “You, instead, make
files of those whom you seem to like to criticize and denigrate and
run us down because we
aren’t taken in by your dark doctrines.!”
We keep files of all correspondence with all people, friend or foe.
You set yourself as a judge of motives, and your judgment is false.
However, if I am mistaken, Ruth, then here is what I am willing to
do: Show me where I am guilty of any denigration of members of the
Jehovah’s Witnesses organization and I will gladly consider the
possible need to apologize to you and all JW’s. I will also gladly
have you post publicly or send that apology to as many as you will.
Indeed, I will post that apology on our own site. Is that fair?
So that we maintain accuracy with our terms, can we agree on a dictionary’s
definition of “denigration”? Here is the definition from
One: A belittling comment.
Two: An abusive attack on a person’s character or good name.
Three: The act of expressing disapproval (especially of yourself).
As for the third definition, I’m sure you’ll agree that
we must be free, in righteousness, to express disapproval both of ourselves
and others if we or they are wrong. Jesus did it. So one can see where
dictionaries don’t always get it right, at least not the way
we generally understand words, as you and I do in this case. Let’s
try a better dictionary - The Random House Dictionary of the English
One: To speak damagingly of; criticize in a derogatory manner; sully;
defame: to denigrate someone’s good reputation.
Two: To make black, blacken.
Ruth, I repeat, if you will give me the exact statements, in context,
wherein I have spoken falsely against the Jehovah’s Witnesses,
or uttered or published, maliciously or falsely, anything injurious,
or written or said anything without good cause about you and your organization,
I will gladly, sincerely, and attentively consider, and by God’s
grace, I will confess and apologize not only to you, but to all Jehovah’s
Perhaps you are only surmising that I would keep files to “run
[you] down”. Is that not what the Scriptures call “evil
surmisings” or “wicked suspicions,” as your version
puts it (1 Timothy 6:4)?
As for the example of your Baptist lady, I consider Baptists to be
in darkness, so it would not surprise me whatever they might do. It
means nothing to me. We well know that just as Jehovah’s Witnesses
do not have the Spirit, Baptists do not have the Spirit. We were once
Baptists; Marilyn and I met in a Baptist Bible school in Saskatoon
in 1973 and were married within a year.
A month later, we received the Holy Spirit you say I don’t have,
and the Baptists expelled us for it! If you had red my
story, you would
have known that, but you keep speaking without knowledge, Ruth. Not
good. It tells me that you are not being responsible or respectful
toward me at all. What kind of “witness” is that? Does
that not make you a false witness?
You boast of numbers, Ruth. Is that not another dead giveaway as to
your unacceptable standing before God? If numbers count, let’s
all go back to the Catholic Church, 1.3 billion strong! If numbers
counted, Gideon should have waged war with the Midianites with 32,000
rather than with 300. God is no respecter of numbers, Ruth. Here is
what He has to say about such a notion:
“And the Lord said to Gideon, So great is the number of your people,
that if I give the Midianites into their hands they will be uplifted
in pride over Me and will say, I myself have been my saviour” (Judges
What about the Mormons, Ruth? Are they not a great organization as
well, and not much different in age from the JW organization? Do they
not go door to door as well, even leaving their own homes and countries,
if necessary, for 18-month terms of full-time service? Do they not
put the JW’s to shame in certain respects of the kind to which
you allude? Therefore there is no boasting before God in matters of
this nature, is there?
You speak of being in imitation of Jesus Christ. The Bible is clear
that no man can imitate Him; that is why we need to be born again,
receiving His Spirit, so that He might live in and through us. Imitating
Him is often the problem with those in the world who bear His Name.
They go about in their own strength, establishing their own righteousness,
presuming they can copy the Savior. They do not consider that they
need Him because they cannot be like Him to begin with.
Here you are, indignant with me (“Now.
You’ve got me angry!”).
Why? There are at least two reasons:
One, you believe I have done something evil that I have not done, at
least not that I am aware.
Two, you seem to expect me to recognize and respect, contrary to the
counsel of God and the Scriptures, your numbers, dedication, and suffering.
Is that not self-righteousness? Sure it is! What else can one call
I am well aware of the dedication and persecutions of the JW’s
in imprisonment, torture, and death throughout their history and throughout
the world, Canada included. While you have chosen to be willfully ignorant
of me and my history, despite my pleadings with you, I am anything
but ignorant of the JW’s and their history. You are telling me
nothing new. However, hear what brother Paul says about sufferings
of which you and many boast:
“And though I give out all my goods to feed the poor, and though
I deliver my body to be burned, and have not love, I am profited nothing” (1
Corinthians 13:3 MKJV).
You may say you have that love of God and neighbor. Whether you have
that true love or not can be a subjective thing, can it not? You certainly
haven’t loved me by paying respectful attention to much of what
I’ve said; you have listened and responded to very little of
it. You treat what I have to say with contempt, as though I am ignorant
and have nothing of value to express. You brush it away, yet with friendliness.
Is your love therefore not feigned? How can anyone respect you for
On the other hand, I have ignored nothing of what you have said, and
I have responded to almost all of it, specifically and categorically.
So who loves who, Ruth? Let the fruits speak for themselves. And I make you angry? Consider that it could be the other way around. Still,
I bear patiently with you, do I not?
“So then did I become your enemy speaking to you the truth?” (Galatians
We keep files of all correspondences for reference (as I said in my
note alerting you to my mistake). Nobody needs to rely on undependable
memories. Those files contain our words as well as yours. By taking
issue with my holding a record of both our words, are you not perhaps
afraid and even admitting that your own words condemn you? If you and
the JW’s speak the truth, should I not be the one afraid of being
exposed and “run down”?
You are perfectly free to keep a file of all my letters, whether you
intend to use them for good or for evil; I don’t care. I would
be thankful for you to publish my words along with yours for the whole
world to hear or read. I am not afraid of public scrutiny (I invite
it!), and I am not ashamed of anything I have said. I rejoice that
men speak evil of me for His sake, unlike you, who are now angry (though
I have not spoken evil of you).
Furthermore, Ruth, far from being ashamed of what we have written you,
we place great value on it, because it is the Truth that God has given
us in Christ for the sake of all, beginning with those whom we answer.
When we answer people in the things of God, as we are doing with you,
it is not just our thoughts or opinions that we express, but the thoughts
of God as He enlightens our understanding on the issues of life and
the application of His Word to the matters at hand.
When Jesus fed the multitudes, He had them gather up the fragments
of what was left over. If He so valued the food from God for the body,
how much more value should we place on the Food from God for the soul?
Yet you treat it contemptuously, as though it is vile garbage, not
realizing that you are rejecting the very thing that would make you
So how is it you think to have the Holy Spirit? Because you knock on
doors, and as an organization, experience persecution? Do you believe
the Mormons have the Spirit because they are as new as you, relatively
speaking, have great numbers, go door to door, suffer persecution,
and sacrifice their time, finances, and energies as do you?
You ask me, “What are you doing?” What kind of question
is that, Ruth? Is it not an accusatory and presumptuous one, as though
you think I do nothing to serve Jesus Christ? Again, you know nothing
of me, though it is publicly available, and I have tried to make you
repeatedly aware of it. You display great disrespect for me and an
ignorance of reality in your stance. It should be needless to say,
but I must tell you, that none of this is any good in the sight of
I will answer your critical and combative question, though you ignore
many of my questions, which are honest, straightforward, and not combative:
I spend long hours daily bearing witness to the Lord Jesus Christ to
thousands of people, personally and on the internet. I am talking to
you, taking all this time away from other associations and activities,
including time with my own son, just so you will hear the truth (not
complaining or boasting).
Do you think only JW’s go door knocking? I am not a stranger
to going door to door. I have done it many times, and I am not averse
to doing it again and again, Lord willing. What makes you think otherwise?
I am not a stranger to having doors shut in my face and being contemned
by stranger and friend alike.
Furthermore, I am not a stranger to having lost family, friends, career,
possessions, and social benefits of all sorts for the Lord’s
sake. I have been thrown out of many homes. Several of my next door
neighbors despise me for identifying with Jesus Christ. We suffer enmity
every day by those who condemn us, whom we “make angry” for
We continue to lose friends and acquaintances. We have lost tens of
thousands of dollars worth of business because we speak the truth to
the multitudes, Harvest Haven customers included, and we have the correspondence
files you hold in contempt to prove it.
Our website has the record of many who disdain us and count us as maniacs,
fanatics, heretics, antiChrists, false prophets, a cult, and a danger
to society. Some have threatened us and have even called for our blood
- evangelicals and Baptists, at that. Were it not for the law of the
land in place thus far, and God’s
grace more importantly, they would kill us; of that I have no doubt
whatsoever. Yet, we continue, without pay from this world. Our paychecks
come from the Kingdom and they are far more than worth the cost, even
as Jesus promised - a hundredfold, much in every way.
I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that it is not so with you, Ruth.
You are not hated as we are, not by a long shot. Neither do we have
the presumed advantage you have of many associates and the respect
(albeit often a grudging one) of the world as an established institution.
We are very few and much alone.
But do these things mean anything to me either way? Do I complain or
boast of these things? No, my glory is in the Lord Jesus Christ, for
Whom I have suffered the loss of all things, even as did Paul the apostle.
Admittedly, I have never suffered physical abuse. Several have tried
to hurt and even kill us, but the Lord miraculously protected us in
those cases. So why do I tell you this? I am simply setting the record
straight for yet another person who is willingly ignorant and dismissive
of me and my companions in Christ, as though we are stupid fools, children
of darkness and of the Devil himself.
I will use Paul’s words, written in a situation in which he found
himself, similar to the situation in which you have now placed me:
“I have become foolish boasting. You compelled me” (2 Corinthians
But God has, according to His will, restored to me in this life that
which I have lost, according to the Scriptures:
Joel 2:25-27 MKJV
(25) And I will restore to you the years which the swarming locust
has eaten, the locust larvae, and the stripping locust, and the cutting
locust, My great army which I sent among you.
(26) And you shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the
name of Jehovah your God, Who has dealt with you wonderfully; and My
people shall never be ashamed.
(27) And you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that
I am Jehovah your God, and no one else; and My people shall never be
He has made our business as a witness to the world of how people ought
to farm and produce food, deal with dietary, environmental, social,
economic, political, religious, medical, and health issues, besides
many other necessities of life, in which people are sorely lacking
and perishing. Are you not perishing? What of your present illness
and condition? Yet here we are with so much to offer you, and you are
blinded to it all.
We are given as salt and light, a leaven for good, no glory to us but
all to the Lord Jesus Christ.
So what do you have to say to all this, Ruth? Nothing, as usual? Will
you simply withdraw, as is your custom? Will you continue professing
to care for me when your actions prove so differently?
You say, “We [JW’s] are the only people in the face of
this world who can and do and continue to do this work because we are
the only people on earth that have Jehovah’s holy spirit empowering
us to do it!”
Do your own words and actions toward me bear that out? Have I not shown
you they do not?
You say, “Put this in your file and try
to figure out more ways you can insult me. Now you’ve made me angry!”
Have I insulted you? Show me where I have been wrong, specifically,
quoting words in context, and I will correct whatever is needful of
correction. I will retract whatever is necessary in God’s sight.
Are you a judge of hearts and motives, Ruth?
I think that in your great contradiction toward me, with unfounded
suspicions, false accusations, willful ignorance of me, and more, I have great and just cause to be angry with you, but by God’s
grace and His grace alone, I’m not. Neither do I cast you off
as you’ve already done with me, more than once.
On the contrary, I am thankful for our reacquaintance.
Clearly Victor, we aren’t on the same wave length.
We just ‘don’t see eye to eye’.
I absoutely refuse to engage in any more dialogue, arguments, or counter=arguments.
Simply no use.
So, once again, please allow me to say: Let’s agree to disagree.
This we have done.
Now, an end to the endless.
I sign off now, and forever. Unless you change your mind, because I
certainly am not changing mine!
I do not wish to continue this conversation.
Sorry, that’s it.
Indeed, Ruth, we are not at all on the same wavelength. I have spoken
to you from above, from the Kingdom of God.
As per your request, however, I will allow you to say, “Let’s
agree to disagree.” Though I do not agree with the disagreement,
I will leave it.
When you say you will not change your mind, I believe you. With men
these things are impossible, but with God, all things are possible.
Only Jesus Christ can change your mind for you, and He will, when your
Our door remains open to you, Ruth; there is no closing here by us.
On the night of April 21st, 2009, when I sent you my last letter, I,
by the Holy Spirit, saw and felt you wince or groan at receiving it.
resist the Truth, and you have a crisis of conscience. How hardly shall
a rich man enter heaven, but with Jesus Christ, all things are possible!
Your Armageddon has come, Ruth, when you have least expected it.
the Scripture not say that He comes as a thief (Revelation 16:15)?
And your reaction is because you have been found naked and utterly
unable to gainsay or resist what I have been given to say to you
for your sake.