The more loony the idea, the more credibility some think to have by championing it.
The Sabbath is an idea so simple no one could misinterpret it, could they? Sure, they can. Fallen man is an expert at making simple things complex. The following concoction of a “lunar Sabbath cycle” is a prime example of delusional thinking spurred on by warped dreams of grandiosity.
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Reaching the world, with His original intent
This message is so very important and related to the times we currently live in. At this time our Creator is revealing His truths concerning His true seventh day Sabbaths to a world filled with turmoil and distress. Sadly, some see this as just another burden to weigh down mankind. Here at Sabbath of The Bible, we see it as a lifeline to the only one who is able to free the world from the pit it has dug itself into.
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His Sabbaths have been made into a memorial of creation, by the One who has created the heavens and the earth.
Be blessed this day as we are continually gaining more and more knowledge of His original intent.
His desire is for His people to have “knowledge” of His ways . .
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
David Vander Toorn
Sabbath of The Bible
Regarding your “very important message” about “another Sabbath” – we have corresponded with other “lunartarians” in the past concerning the weekly Sabbath, and respond to you by copying the appropriate segments of those letters as our answer from the Lord on this matter.
By the way, the Lord gave us to keep the weekly Sabbath in 2000, which you can read about here: How the Lord Gave Us the Sabbath.
The following is from our correspondence with Troy Miller, beginning with my reply to the material he sent us on the lunar Sabbath:
I’ve tried reading through the materials you sent us. I say “tried” because in some instances I find it hard going and didn’t understand the reasoning or conclusions. I hope you can help me out. One part in particular pertains to using the lunar cycle to determine the times of the weekly Sabbath. It reminds me somewhat of the conversation Victor had with his son Jonathan about the Sabbath, which you comment on in your letter:
“On November 21, 1999, as Jonathan and I sat reading Exodus 20, he asked me why we didn’t keep the Sabbath. I don’t feel at peace about any answer I give him. Why? I found myself getting into a sort of confusing defense against keeping the seventh day, the Fourth Commandment. I also had to reason with him about keeping another day, namely Sunday. Honestly, I was confounded with man’s theology and it wasn’t making sense while trying to answer a child’s simple question.” [From wHaT tHe LoRd HaS dOnE wItH mE]
Of that conversation, you said:
“Isn’t this always the case? A little child shall lead them. As adults and denominations, we’ve made ‘salvation’ so much more difficult than it really is. We are to have that child like faith.”
The sum of the matter is this: If you can’t explain it simply, so that a child can understand what the “seventh day” means, then you have a problem. Your literature is definitely creating that problem! I don’t want to potentially throw the baby out with the bathwater and miss any significance to the new moon and the lunar cycle, so I must ask you directly: Can you tell me, in your own words, directly and simply, how one is to keep the Sabbath as commanded by God?
Your answer will be much appreciated. To help you in providing me with it, let me tell you what I see, as I can verbalize it from where I now sit. I’ll start with the Scriptures:
“And God called the light, ‘Day.’ And He called the darkness, ‘Night.’ And the evening and the morning were the first day” (Genesis 1:5 MKJV).
“For in six days the LORD made Heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:11 KJV).
“You shall do your work six days, and on the seventh day you shall rest, so that your ox and your ass may rest, and the son of your handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed” (Exodus 23:12 MKJV).
The day begins with darkness, proceeds to light, and ends with darkness. Every seventh day since God created Heaven and earth is the Sabbath, a day of rest. After each Sabbath the days are counted again till the seventh day, and then we have the next Sabbath. It was according to this reckoning that Israel kept the Sabbath in the wilderness, as commanded by God through Moses. In case anyone had forgotten which day was the Sabbath, or had a quarrel about how to calculate it, God Himself showed them which day it was, and regularly demonstrated it, for 40 years through His miraculous provision of manna, which was doubled on the sixth day, and ceased on the seventh:
“Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, in it there shall be none” (Exodus 16:26 MKJV).
Having this training, the Jews didn’t forget which day was the Sabbath, from Moses to Yeshua, the Latter also acknowledging the Sabbath, knowing what day it was.
Now, here is the tricky part: Has something actually changed the way days are counted from the time of Yeshua till today? This is where you lose me. The Jews, who have not forgotten which day is the Sabbath, keep what is called “Saturday,” or Friday evening to Saturday evening, without fail or dispute, all over the world, at all times. Have they all missed the change, or do they all misunderstand how to calculate the days to determine which day is the Sabbath?
Here’s another aspect to the situation, more personal. The Lord gave us the Sabbath to keep, Friday evening to Saturday evening, and He didn’t correct us on this understanding or direct us otherwise when He gave it to us. Perhaps now is the time for that, you might say, and perhaps you’re right. He could have withheld this from us….
The Lord has never corrected us about the day we’ve kept. Indeed, He has blessed us. Like the Name of Christ has a singular identity, Saturday is known all over the world as the Sabbath.
It did cost us to keep Saturday as the Sabbath, literally. We lost half or more of our business, as we expected. I’m not saying this as complaint, or perhaps thinking we lost it for nothing. Obedience always costs. But it was great gain spiritually, and the Lord turned things around and prospered us even more than before in physical things, though we didn’t ask for it.
I’m not trying to build a case here for Saturday as the Sabbath. I’m simply reporting to you what I know and see. If you can show us otherwise, and I believe I speak for Victor and the rest of us in this regard, we do want to hear what you have to say and to obey whatever is right and good in the sight of God. Don’t be dismayed or consider this an adversarial debate. We are, by the grace of God, for the Truth, and we hope you are and will be, too. We aren’t assuming otherwise. It is in this spirit that we come together with you and wish to reason….
Troy never supplied us with a simple explanation.
This next correspondence was with Galal Doss of WorldsLastChance.com, a website teaching Sabbath observance according to a luni-solar calendar.
I went to your challenge page, which says:
“Since the mark of the beast is received if one does not worship the Creator on His true Sabbath day, and because WLC infinitely cares about our salvation and yours, WLC is offering US$1,000,000 (one million) to anyone who can convincingly demonstrate from the Scriptures that the true seventh-day Sabbath has ever been recorded in the Bible to have fallen on any other dates than those listed above.”
You start off on the wrong foot altogether. The mark of the beast is about having the “name of the beast” or the “number of his name.”
Revelation 13:15-18 BBE
(15) And he had power to give breath to the image of the beast, so that words might come from the image of the beast, and that he might have all those who did not give worship to the image of the beast put to death.
(16) And he gives to all, small and great, the poor and those who have wealth, the free and those who are not free, a mark on their right hand or on their brows;
(17) So that no man might be able to do trade but he who has the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name.
(18) Here is wisdom. He who has knowledge let him get the number of the beast; because it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.
The mark of the beast has nothing to do with the Sabbath (at least not directly). Apparently you don’t have wisdom from God regarding what is the mark of the beast. We do – by His grace and revelation. He has delivered us from that mark, having sealed us in our foreheads. Read The Mark of the Beast and the Seal of God.
Though not specifically formatted according to the letter of your challenge, Brian has provided ample proof, with valid Scriptural arguments that disprove your theory in truth and principle. He shows that the observance of Sabbath days according to the luni-solar calendar is disconnected from the authentic seven-day cycle that God initiated from the beginning, meaning that your schedule violates the Sabbath Commandment. You owe this man a million dollars. Will you heed your pledge to retract your error and pay up?
You say on your site:
“By the mercy of God, I conjure you, . . . to prove from the writings of the prophets and apostles that I have erred. As soon as I am convinced of this, I will retract every error . . . .”
Martin Luther before the Diet of Worms.
Please join us in studying this topic. Knowing the truth is worth more than US$1,000,000 to WLC.
Will you now be exposed as liars, as those who make vain pledges because they trust in themselves and their knowledge rather than in the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the Truth? In other words, will you exhibit the mark of the beast in full bloom? We would hope otherwise. We would prefer to see you retract your error, pay your pledge, and repent of walking in the carnal confidence of a manmade ordinance, instead walking in the grace and commandment of the Lord, rejoicing in God your Savior.
We must point out that it’s not enough to know and keep even the true Sabbath day, but one must have the faith of Christ and love of God in order to be saved. The Jews who crucified the Lord kept the proper Sabbath day, the same one He kept, did they not? Plainly, you can keep the right day and still have the mark of the beast, as did they.
So what did Jesus say was the essential life and death issue, which separates those with the mark who perish with men from those who are sealed and safe with God? He said that unless you took up the cross and followed Him, you would certainly lose your life:
“Then Jesus said to His disciples, ‘If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life shall lose it, and whoever desires to lose his life for My sake shall find it’” (Matthew 16:24-25 MKJV).
There is an abundance of materials on our site teaching the cross of Christ and His path of truth, but of what use is good food to one who has no appetite for it?
“The full soul despises a honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet” (Proverbs 27:7 MKJV).
It’s a constant source of amazement to see how “former” SDAs find ways to disagree with Ellen White while holding her up as a prophetess from God. But what else could be expected from those under the power and sway of the beast? Ellen, her disciples, and former disciples like you who find The Great Controversy their second favorite book next to the Bible, are all in strong delusion. I’m not asking you to take my word for it. Read at Seventh Day Adventism.
And just so you know, we have never met or had anything to do with Brian Hoeck of Truth on the Web, except to read what he has to say about the lunar cycle Sabbath calendar. In all justice and truth before God, we red his material and judge that Brian has soundly refuted your theory logically, reasonably, fairly, historically, and most importantly, Scripturally – and then some, according to the conditions of your hasty, defiant, proud challenge.
You are indebted to him for US$1,000,000, payable now, according to your promise. Now pay that which you have vowed before all, unless you can prove him wrong, not by Babylonish record and tradition or man’s carnal reasonings (none of which prove anything), but by the Word of God, which tries all things, which is precisely what Brian Hoeck rightly and wisely relied upon.
While it is abundantly clear that what he has provided is in harmony with Scripture, Brian also made it abundantly clear that you altogether contradict God and His Word.
If keeping the right weekly day as the Sabbath means one’s salvation, you perish in your calculated error. Fortunately for you, it doesn’t mean that, but it appears you are trying your level best to remain lost and anti-Christ any way you know how.
There is was no new light presented from the Bible that would show an alternative calendar to Yahuwah’s calendar. Furthermore, since the challenge was posted no one has been able to prove from the Scriptures that the Sabbath falls on any other dates on His calendar than the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and the 29th. We were Saturday keepers for many decades; but when we were faced with His divine calendar we had to discard Saturday Sabbath. To date we have not seen any scriptural evidence in favor of going back to Saturday Sabbath, or a third alternative.
We do not take lightly the Challenge, and consider the prize as token of our deep gratitude for anyone who can show us our error. After all, if we worship Him on the wrong day, then the whole wealth of the world would be nothing to the loss of our eternal lives.
It’s not that there wasn’t light provided, Galal. The reality is that you and your self-serving cohorts reject the Light, blinded by your idolatry. It’s impossible for you to see or hear a thing.
Only mammon-worshipping frauds would promote themselves as possessors of the truth, even the “World’s Last Chance,” while offering a monetary reward for correcting that “truth.”
Who could imagine the apostle Paul or the Lord Jesus Christ presenting themselves as you do and offering such a challenge? The very notion is ludicrous; it is blasphemy coming from supposed believers and spiritual leaders. But as idolaters reveling in the darkness you call light, it is entirely in character with what one finds on the paths of the destroyer, such as WorldsLastChance.com.
Just like your great, great grandfather, William Miller, you are leading whoever will follow you up your high hill, preparing them for the “Savior’s soon return”!
What a farce; how tragic for you and your deluded followers! The Lord is always coming soon, yet He never appears. Meanwhile, He is right in front of you now, confronting you on your great error and putrid hypocrisy, rebuking your wicked works.
But you have absolutely no use for Him. You worship yourselves as you wax self-righteous and proclaim yourselves virtuous:
“We do not take lightly the Challenge, and consider the prize as token of our deep gratitude for anyone who can show us our error. After all, if we worship Him on the wrong day, then the whole wealth of the world would be nothing to the loss of our eternal lives.”
As if God would condemn any sincere worshippers to eternal darkness for supposedly getting the day of the week wrong. As if sincere worshippers aren’t by definition already worshipping God in spirit and in truth. What nonsense! What blasphemy and defamation of God’s Name and Character! You portray Him as a petty tyrant, while you are such noble creatures, so faithful and law-abiding. Liars! You are lawless miscreants, concerned only about saving your wretched necks. You worship Satan, who savors the things of men.
Satan is the one who inspired your mammon-loving challenge, which tramples on the fact that God freely gives the truth to His children who ask Him. He never sends them away to men, offering money prizes:
“Ho, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money, come, buy and eat. Yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Why do you weigh silver for what is not bread? and your labor for what never satisfies? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness” (Isaiah 55:1-2 MKJV).
You defy, not deify, the God of Israel and Lord Jesus Christ.
But you aren’t asking for the truth; you’re taunting your fellow man, calling on him to prove you wrong for a million dollars. You lying bastards! (I mean that Biblically – you aren’t children of the One you profess to worship.)
You’ve set up this ruse of a sincere challenge in order to vaunt yourselves as the set-apart holy purveyors of truth, knocking down all others whom you treat as contenders and pretenders. But you’re the pretenders, the newest aberrant version of the SDA delusion, brought up and nourished by that great Bibliolater and witch, Ellen White, whose devilish spirit you’ve inherited.
Postscript: The $1,000,000 challenge has been dropped, now reworded as a pious promise of penance if proven wrong:
Since the mark of the beast is received if one does not worship the Creator on His true Sabbath day, and because WLC infinitely cares about our salvation and yours, WLC is offering a world wide public confession and apology for adopting the wrong Sabbath day once anyone has been able to demonstrate from the Scriptures that the true seventh-day Sabbath has ever been recorded in the Bible to have fallen on any other dates than those listed above.
After reading the above materials, David, not about to give up his false gods, replied:
This is really very simple.
The calendar you are following is of the Roman Catholic Church . . The Gregorian calendar of “Pope Gregory”
At creation, our Creator gave us His calendar . . He placed in the heavens
Creation of the sun, moon and stars
Gen 1:14, And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven [WHY?] to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
See, He gave us “light,” for “days and years.”
A “day” makes up a week right?
7 “days” make a week . . So far, so good.
He rested on His 7th day brought upon by the “lights in the heavens.”
Now our Bible also tells us something is going to get broken. Somebody is going to attempt to change His calendar 🙂
Guess What Paul !! He was correct !! Rome did exactly just that !!! Isn’t that Great !!
Dan 7:25, he shall think to change times and laws
Paul, you know of the 10 Commandments Rome changed ~ http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm
Well, Rome ALSO changed our Creators “time,” by shoving their Gregorian calendar down man.
Now you know how Rome has changed both “times and laws”
OK, He created “time” by giving man “light.”
Rome changed His “time” with their fake wall calendar you follow, the Gregorian calendar . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar
NOW !!! He again tells us “in His earth made new”
Get this now Paul 🙂 Look now !!
Isaiah 66:22-23, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
When He recreates this earth, look Paul, He is going to put it all back to the way He had originally created it !!
Really simple huh??
I know, some just simply REFUSE to see this and continue enjoying their life in Babylon . .. 🙁
Be Blessed . . His word is truth and a light unto our path 🙂
“God called the light ‘Day,’ and the darkness He called ‘Night.’ And there was evening and there was morning, the first day” (Genesis 1:5 ESV).
Everything is simple and clear enough for us, David, by the grace of God. Evening to evening makes a day. Six in a row, starting with God’s designated first day, brings you to the Sabbath. No fancy footwork or calculations necessary.
The link you’ve provided shows how the Catholic Church changed the Ten Commandments, removing the Second Commandment against graven images. The Catholic Church also did away with the Fourth Commandment by declaring the first day of the week the Sabbath in replacement of the seventh day God had sanctified. How much more blatant can one get in tampering with His Law?
Have you red any of our website or the links I’ve provided you with? You imply that we could only be refusing your loony doctrine because we’re “enjoying [our] life in Babylon.” Tell us specifically how and where you see us “enjoying Babylon” in our lives or preaching of Christ.
You blaspheme because given over to idolatry, worshipping the moon instead of the Son. You’ve never known the Lord Jesus Christ. Also read The Cross – Only the Death Sentence Will Avail and How One Is Saved.
David didn’t reply.
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Catholicism and its superstitions won't protect you from Satan and his lying prophets such as John Ramirez.
Jeffry Camm uses the Koran as an authoritative source of truth to preach Jesus Christ to Muslims. We expose his faulty reasoning and arguments, and also show the disastrous results of convincing a Muslim to seriously follow the Koran, which would lead him to resemble Muhammad, the criminal, rather than Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Gary Amirault (correspondent in our last series, Public Promoters of Falsehood Confronted Publicly) replied by sending us an article from J. Preston Eby. Quotes from the article appear in Victor’s reply. Gary also gave us this comment with the article: I think you two would have much more success if you took a real long look at how you operate. This article might shed some light on what I’m talking about.