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Giving God the Glory

 

We received this note from a recipient of the introduction letter to The Issues of Life:

Thank you for your email. It was a good, “straight-up” convicting introduction. It was indeed no-nonsense, and I appreciate it. I come to appreciate scathing after it is done if I do not see the good in it immediately. However, I was a bit concerned when I came upon your belief that Yashuah will save all eventually. I understand that in your doctrine there is great suffering involved for those who refuse at first, but the idea that the punishment in the Lake of Fire is not eternal seems to mock the eternity of the Creator. I have heard this doctrine before, and at first I was joyful when I first came upon it. However, when I read the KJV, this hope is quickly dashed.

“9By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

10Yet the defenced city shall be desolate, and the habitation forsaken, and left like a wilderness: there shall the calf feed, and there shall he lie down, and consume the branches thereof.

11When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour.” Isaiah 27:9-11

“21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matt 8:21-23

” 50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Matt 13:50

I really want to believe in the salvation of all, I really do. The other writings on your site are inspiring, and I appreciate your sending me the introduction.

I have to ask: why did you send me the introduction? I appreciate it, but why did you send it?

Thank you and may the Almighty bless you according to his will,

Kate

Victor’s reply:

Greetings in Jesus Christ/Yehoshua, Kate,

I hope to get to your letter soon. In the meantime, have you red the following on our site?: The Good News, The Reconciliation of All Things, and Who Then Can Be Saved?!

If you have opportunity to read, do so, and if you can reply before I write, that would be good as well. That way, I can spend time answering that which might not be clear, instead of saying things that are already in the writings.

Did you not notice that, in all the Scriptures you sent concerning eternal judgment, none of those spoke of “forever” as we use the term? While those are, of course, all true and applicable, for a time, they do not say what we have, in the past, been trained to read into them. The Lord grant you repentance and understanding to do His will.

Your question as to why the introduction letter was sent; perhaps Paul would be the one to answer that. We send it out to lists of email addresses periodically. Paul likely knows where we received your address.

Victor

We received an unsubscribe request from her after sending part 1 of The True Marks of a Cult.

Victor’s reply:

Hi Kate,

I thought that we were in the midst of a conversation, so to speak, and then we found an “unsubscribe” message from you. Did you not say you would like to believe in the reconciliation of all things? Did you read the recommended writings? What is happening? Are you offended? Confused about something? We would appreciate an answer.

Victor

Paul’s reply:

Kate, Paul here. I wondered at this statement you made in your letter to us: “but the idea that the punishment in the Lake of Fire is not eternal seems to mock the eternity of the Creator.”

The Scriptures say that God alone is immortal (I Timothy 6:16). They say that He is the beginning and the end (Revelation 1:8). There is much more I could bring up, some of which we present in the writings Victor pointed out to you, but for now I thought I would ask you what you do with the fact that God alone possesses eternal life, and that He is the end of all things? Where are sin and darkness described in Scripture as having eternal properties, as you define them – time without end? If He is victorious over sin, how is it that most of humanity is confined to, not only sin, but horrible torment beyond description, time without end? If that is victory, what do you call defeat?

Why do you find fault with us over this particular matter?

Kate never replied.

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永恆的地獄和上帝的愛是否相容?
English – Spanish – Chinese 我們收到了這封信: 維克多, 我的名字是丹尼爾,我也曾與菲利普會面並一起工作過。我正在閱讀你和保羅的電子郵件,我注意到您在哪裡說:「我知道,在『基督教』世界裡,有很多不好的文學作品,教導謊言,例如,那些沒有得救的人永受折磨教義。從未有過比這更醜陋的謊言。這是對上帝的本性和品格的誹謗。」您是在說您不相信地獄或永恆的詛咒嗎?我不明白您在說什麼。此外,在您給菲利普的電子郵件中,我注意到一種沮喪的語氣,幾乎到了責罵的程度。您認為這種語氣是一種愛和關懷,是對菲利普的造就和鼓勵嗎? 丹尼爾 我們憑信心而活,而不是憑眼見。 維克多和保羅的回覆: 嗨丹尼爾, 你來信的結尾 (「我們憑信心而活,而不是憑眼見」) 本質上就是我們告訴菲利普的。你認不出來嗎?我認為你發送該聲明是我們給他的信的結果。我可能是錯的,但如果是對的,諷刺的是你會把它發給我們。 我認為你相信一個永恆的、折磨人的地獄。雖然聖經清楚地表明地獄的存在,但不是在大多數新教或天主教圈子中所宣揚的地獄。大多數人發現或將發現自己身處的地獄是一種黑暗和晦澀的狀態,是死者的地方,他們「一無所知」(儘管他們可能認為自己知道)。他們在屬靈上對上帝是無意識的。 當然,在黑暗中,與上帝的靈隔絕,那裡有無知、懼怕、缺乏理解、拜偶像和束縛,更不用說折磨。但是在來世是否有字面的、身體上的懲罰之火?沒有。地獄會永遠存在嗎?不 (啟示錄 20:14)。有沒有像詹姆士王欽定版翻譯的那樣「永遠的詛咒,」即與上帝「永永遠遠」的隔絕?沒有。閱讀“永遠”、“永久”、和“地獄”的真正聖經含義。 只有上帝是不朽的,以及那些祂授予的人。永恆的詛咒和折磨是邪惡、異教思想的編造,試圖向人們灌輸恐懼,以控制他們。天主教會,從君士坦丁開始,使用這種可怕的教義,而新教徒繼續利用使用它。上帝不會通過恐懼來獲勝。 如果你看一下希伯來語和希臘語翻譯成英語的「地獄」和「永遠」這兩個詞,它們沒有提到一個沒有盡頭的狀態。關於這些問題,我有很多文章可以發給你。目前,閱讀我們《萬物的復興》的部分,你還可以閱讀惡魔般的教義;你應該特別閱讀永無止境的折磨。 你可能想(或不想) 閱讀的另一篇文章是:邪教的真實標記,並考慮你的立場。 丹尼爾,我懷疑當你幾乎還沒有觸及我們的著作時,你不會同意它們,但它們是真實的、符合聖經的、由上帝教導的,那些不同意這些教義的人不是上帝派來傳教的。他們是出於自己的公義和假定而宣講的,對他們聲稱代表的唯一的那個是一無所知。 判斷了我對菲利普說話的語氣後,你問:「您認為這種語氣是一種愛和關懷,是對菲利普的造就和鼓勵嗎?」對於這個問題,我的回答:「是的,」我很清楚你不會那樣理解上帝的愛。就在今天,我 (部分)寫信給另一個人: 「事實上,人將他人吸引到上帝面前的行為恰好是敵基督靈的一個顯著特徵。人假設他們在基督裡的,認為他們可以通過『在他們裡面的光』來『愛』人歸神,因此,他們以『能力作見證。』事實是,他們以他們的愛作證歸給自己,同時在宣告祂的名。舊約或新約都沒有記載聖徒通過愛他們贏得任何人到上帝面前…無處,甚至是與耶穌。這就是敵基督的靈。」 你可以閱讀的有關該主題的文章有: 虛假宗教人士喜愛那憎恨(拒絕)上帝 上帝只說出柔和的話語嗎? 竭力維護從前一次就全交給了聖徒的信仰, 維克多 丹尼爾,我是保羅。 我想補充一點。 有趣的是你在同一封信中詢問關於地獄和愛。我們經常發現那些指責我們沒有愛心的人,他們相信並宣揚全能和愛的化身的上帝,祂創造了...
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