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Yes you are right, our nature is evil. With the time, the most I recognize sins in myself with the help of the Spirit, the more I understand that without Jesus I am nothing! I can’t be perfect or santified by my own.

And I think it’s very important what you are saying, not only the consequences but to be truly released from our sins. I want to be like the good tree. If the tree is good, then the fruits will be good. Then, there won’t be any worries about the consequences.

May God continue helping us, believing in His promise:

“For it is God Who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose” Philippians 2:13

Thank you Victor!

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Yes, Vero, we want to do what’s right where it doesn’t really matter. That way we get to keep our cake and eat it, too. The genius and agendas of genocidals – the birth control pill. That’s where you get to have your pleasures and avoid the consequences of lusts of the flesh and murder. Easy-peasy, right?

We name the Name of our Creator, call Him our Father, then do exactly as His enemies would have us to do – kill ourselves in unfaithfulness and disobedience. We’re all rebels through and through, aren’t we?

Good thing we have a Savior we can call “Lord” not only with tongue but also with action, and turn to Him not just to be saved from consequences of sin but from sin itself. We are they who justify themselves and call many ugly sins by many innocent, even glorifying, names, justifying them as legitimate, placing men in the status of heroes and gods, of saviors when their wisdom, science, and technical skills provide us with easy ways out. Oh, we’re a devious bunch.

The call to repentance is not a call to escape as so many preachers present it in the Name of the One Who Didn’t vote to escape, but to submit Himself to the Consequence of Sin that we might have the opportunity not to escape but to avoid consequences by a New, Omnipotent Resurrection Life, His Life that He freely laid down and took up again to save us the only way, from sin and not only from sin’s consequence.

If we call on the Name of the Lord to save us from consequence of sin, we are doomed – He will not hear us – “We know that God doesn’t hear sinners.” If we call on His Wonderful, Faithful, Omnipotent Name to save us from sin, so that we can live a holy and righteous life for His Glory and for His Sake, well then, that’s a different story. That’s where He surely HEARS, and ANSWERS. “Be not deceived, God is not mocked…” He’s not one to be fooled.

English Standard Version
Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God.

“For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry.” (I Peter 4:1-3)

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I can’t stop being amazed about how the LORD works. Something happened to me like two weeks ago, and I wanted to share it, but something was telling me it wasn’t the moment. But now it’s the time.

Some weeks ago when Martin made the call attention I was talking with Ashley and I confessed that there were things that I could do better about my diet. I was praying for the LORD to help me in that matter.

About a week later of that comment the LORD reprimanded me strongly about my gluttony. Yes, I was giving more importance to pleasing my own flesh than obeying Him. I felt embarrased before the LORD. I was destroying myself. My husband Nixon and I already have like 2 weeks now eating home-made food (more healthy food, like meets, fruits, vegetables) and drinking more water. We have stopped with junk food. By the grace of God it hasn’t been difficult. We have felt the difference in our bodies and minds. I think this comes by the help of the Spirit because so far I don’t have desires to go back eating so bad.

I need to recognize we still have way to keep going, we are planning to start with organic food, but first we need to solve something here in our apartament, but I know the LORD will help us soon with that.

In the other hand, these days God has been bothering me with the matter of birth control pills. I have to say I have been using them because of a dermatological issue, but the truth is that if my alimentation is right I won’t need them, so I’m leaving them when I finish this cycle that is coming, and I’ll leave everything in God’s hands. Because I understood I won’t succeed with my own strength.

I apologize before God because I wasn’t being faithful in a very little, then how can I be faithful in much? I knew the good and wasn’t doing it so I was in a big sin. I was putting my carnal desires before the obedience. So I’m sorry for taking His name in vain. But I also thank Him because He’s so merciful to correct me, and guide me to better ways.

I only pray to the LORD that He please help me to keep this path. I don’t want it to be just a diet of two or three months and then go back to my bad habits (that has happened to me before with diets). I ask Him that please this becomes a new lifestyle in me, with the help of the Holy Spirit please.

Thank you once again Jesus Christ!

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Dear, John. You’ve had a lot to say and received a lot of answers, none of which has penetrated your self-righteous heart. You’re here making a big hoo-ha about Victor calling someone a fool. Someone who you say is a brother in Christ.
What you haven’t yet grasped is that you, nor these others you sympathize with, are brothers of Christ. You are not part of His Body and therefore not His, or our brother. If you were part of His body, you would hear the truth, and the truth would set you free from your pretentious niceness.
You accuse us of being a cult. Was Christ, not a cult? Were those who followed Him not considered a cult? You say that Victor has no authority to call a brother a fool. Where do you get your authority to say who is and isn’t a brother of Christ?
Victor Hafichuk has the authority of Jesus Christ behind him and in him. He is a man chosen by Almighty God/Jesus Christ for these times and you call him the leader of an evil cult. Considering the nice religious people called Christ evil, and a cult leader, I would say Victor is in good company. The Heavenly Company.
You’re offended for all the wrong reasons. You’re using something Jesus said “we” shouldn’t do as a hammer to bash Victor over the head because you can find no other charge against him.
You’re playing the devil’s advocate. You are here because he, (the devil) your father, has sent you knowing full well that Victor is here in Jesus’ name.
It would serve you well to drop the pretense and repent. If not, you should move on. If you stay here talking any longer, people might start thinking that you’re a member of this “cult”.

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Yep, Jason, that John is fulfilling what this poem of Victor talks about:

Particle – The Fire of God

The man of darkness, the carnal man each one of us is apart from Christ, scarcely realizes the implications of his stance and opposition to his Creator. He doesn’t recognize the futility, much less the harm he does himself in what he considers to be his right to freedom of expression according to his understanding. Least of all does he recognize the Lord coming to him as a thief in order to deliver or judge.

The fire rages and

Nothing stands in its way –

The all-consuming fire of God:

Who can bear it?

A fearful and terrible storm,

The wicked are swept away,

Having stood and hollered,

Eaten and drunk,

Laughed and scoffed.

Now they are nothing.

So great and terrible is the fire

That we pity even our enemies,

Repentant that they stood against us.

But against us they stood,

Pushing away their good,

Despising their very lives,

Pulling seed out of the ground,

Poisoning their wells,

Burning their houses,

Slitting their throats,

Hating the urgent help,

Vigorously throwing out

The butter and honey and all good food,

Eagerly saving and eating

The eggshells and cardboard cartons,

The cellophane wrappers and bones.

Would a beggar refuse a banquet?

Would a dying man reject a physician?

But our enemies have done just so.

The fire rages and

Nothing stands in its way –

Only a terrible fire

Can clear away the refuse

And cleanse the contradiction

Of the wicked and their ways.

Lethbridge, late 80’s, early 90’s

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If I had to pick one paragraph from the above article that stood out as the most important to me, it’s surely this one: ” But will logic win the day? Not at all! We can tell ourselves right and wrong all we want, but the lust is there in the flesh, isn’t it? In fact, the more we try to instruct and control ourselves in the right and wrong of things, the more it seems we’re vulnerable. So what’s the answer? The Lord and His grace to us is the answer, the only answer. So while temptations are there, and while our carnal natures are so perfectly willing to indulge in things we ought not indulge in, and while we can’t escape those facts, we do have the Lord to keep us, in spite of ourselves. Any man who thinks a good-looking woman isn’t appealing isn’t honest with himself or anyone else. “

So then, keep an eye on where your eye is looking at all times. Put your focus on the Lord and not on the problem.

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You show yourself wrong, John, by your words, for the Truth pierces us in a way that falsehood never does.

 

For the Word of God is living, and powerfully working, and sharper than every two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of both soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge of the thoughts and intentions of the heart; (Heb 4:12 LITV)

 
Instead of accepting the Truth found here, or asking the Lord about it, you attempt to dissuade others by a fallacious argument, repeatedly misapplying a portion of one Scripture. That is known as argument by repetition (or ad nauseum, if you prefer).

You may claim the Lord showed you what you are repeating over and over, but if it were from the Lord, there would be substance to your words, not vain repetition.

 
Nor would there be an attempt to usurp authority, demanding those of us here do what you say about the website. Why are you so offended by The Path of Truth as well as Victor?

 
There were harsh words spoken to the Pharisees and they were offended. What did the Lord say to the disciples when they told Him about it?

Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Mat 15:14 MKJV)

 
Where is the man whose teaching you’re following currently at? Douglas Del Tondo suffered some kind of illness a couple of years ago, says his credit card lapsed, resulting in the loss of his website.

Now, he is fighting with someone trying to get it back and he is using Gofundme to get the money to do so because he doesn’t have money of his own to do so.

 
Sounds like he has fallen into the ditch to me. What about you?

 

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The contradiction of sinners on full display.

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John, you just proved our point.

If someone, even a brother, is being foolish, or in an evil cult, or blind, there is nothing wrong with telling them that. Just as you think to be doing for us. 

So either you’ve validated our position, or think you’re allowed to judge us but we aren’t allowed to judge others.

But wait a second, I thought you told Jason you’re not qualified to judge others?

“Are you, or I, or anyone, the one with “righteous judgement”? Can you or I reveal the state of a person’s heart?”

Yes, we can, and by your own admission you can’t, so why are you doing it?

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” John 7:24 NKJV

The Lord tells us to judge righteous judgment, but John Hurt tells us we can’t judge righteous judgment.

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John,

You’ve already been proven wrong by the Scriptures, the content at TPOT that aligns with the Scriptures and by our responses, aligned with both.

You’re asking for proof when it’s been all around you the entire time. You can’t see it or you refuse to because you’re in darkness, stubborn and evil. There’s no light afforded you because you’re in total opposition to the Lord in every facet. We’ve tried to reason with you to no avail. You, on the other hand, have been anything but reasonable.

Do you think yourself to be some sort of savior? You’re not and your tactics will continue to fail to sway us. We know Who and what we have by the Spirit of the Lord, Who bears witness to us.

Again, have you taken any time at all to read anything here aside from what the Lord has had to say of Del Tondo?

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I saw the same thing, Michael.

John, since you referred to Wikipedia, here’s their definition of “cult.” Not that Wikipedia is a wise reference in all matters:

Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society).

How is it that there is no problem with calling us a cult? Don’t you know that the Lord Jesus and His disciples were called a cult by the religious in power of the time? You come here with a semblance of authority, but I see none. You are guilty of the very thing you accuse us of doing. What you are doing is even worse.

Let’s look at the definition of the word pejorative:

A pejorative, slur, or derogatory term is a word or grammatical form expressing a negative or a disrespectful connotation, a low opinion, or a lack of respect toward someone or something.[1] It is also used to express criticism, hostility, or disregard.

You see, John, you are insulting in a very “nice“ way. You trust in men by believing all the hears and says you find on the internet about us. And you accuse us of many things, but you know very well that all men will have to give an account for every careless word they speak. Who appointed you? Did you receive the Spirit of the Lord? Have you asked God if Victor and Martin are His servants?

You said this:

“To answer your question, we home-church. I have 6 children. Sometimes we meet in our homes with other families.

One reason we home-church is that I am very wary of men like Diotrophes, who love to have “preeminence” in the church…”

“That is why I am wary of Victor Hafichuk. He seems like he has “preeminence” in your group.”

You want to keep your independence and establish yourself as a leader among the brethren and sisters in the Lord. Where will it get you?

You also said this on two occasions:

“Don’t say anything more about me. Just clean up your website, and stop calling names. PLEASE…“

Yes, it’s all about you and your heart, John. You can’t escape God’s judgment. Nobody can. The Lord Jesus Christ is here; maybe you are in dire need of cleaning up your heart and mouth. What does it mean if you have come to the Mountain of the Lord by coming here? Just think about it—something to take seriously. Here is a writing you might want to read: Are We a Cult?

Psalm 118:6-8
6 The Lord is on my side; I will not fear. What can man do to me?
7 The Lord is on my side as my helper; I shall look in triumph on those who hate me.
8 It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.

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Michael,

My answer is that telling you that you are in an “evil cult” is a correct assessment of your situation.

You would have to prove that saying you are in an “evil cult” is a false statement, before you can say I am calling you a “name”.

It is like the doctor telling you that you are obese, or a someone telling you that your house has an unpleasant odor. If these things are not true, then they would might possibly be “name calling”. But if they are true, then someone is trying to help you.

I really am trying to help you.

The original problem is this: This website calls people “pretentious fools” and other derogatory names. Christ said not to call anyone a “fool”.

Matthew 5:(22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Christ said that anyone that calls someone a “fool” is in danger of hell fire. Now, if that is not correct, then you “could” argue that Christ is calling you a “name”. But it is correct. According to Christ, someone that calls other people “fools” is in danger of hell fire.

The proof that you are in a “cult” is that you cannot change whatever Victor Hafichuk writes on these webpages. Victor calls the tune, and you do the dance.

The fact that it is an “evil” cult is how it treats other people, by calling them names which Christ forbids. A good definition of “evil” is that you are breaking the commandments of God, or His Son, Christ. Christ specifically told you, and especially Victor, not to call people “fools”, and you do it anyway. That is evil.

But let me hear your side of this. Give me some sort of “proof” that calling people names like “fools”, against the Commandments of Christ is not evil. Prove to me that you are not in a cult by taking Victor Hafichuk’s picture off the front page off the site, and demoting him to be “just like everyone else” in your group.

It appears to me that Victor Hafichuk desires preeminence over other people, and has put himself between you and Christ. Here is what the Apostle John said about people like Victor:

3rd John (9) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
(10) Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

Does Victor have preeminence in your “church”? (yes?) Does he use “malicious words”? (I think from what we have seen on this website, the answer is yes.) Does Victor decide who is in the church, who not to receive in the church, and who is cast out of the church? I believe the answer is yes to all of these.

Show me it is not a “cult” and as a group of believers with Christ as your head, discipline Victor publicly, because Victor has sinned publicly. He has sinned by breaking Christ’s commandments in Matthew 5:22.

If you can’t do that, then you are in an evil cult. Prove me wrong.

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I’ve taken some time to consider my last response to John. I think I may have been off there. I spoke what was on my heart and mind but it looks condemning. I’m the last person that should be putting a sword to anyone’s throat and I don’t want to presume to speak for Him (as I have in times past).

Perhaps I’m in need of some correction here? Lord willing. If so, I know He’ll be faithful to do it.

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I thought you didn’t call people names John?

“And I pray that God opens your eyes so that each of you can escape this evil cult.”

So we’re blind, in a cult, and evil? But you say we shouldn’t call people names… curious.

By accusing us of being in a cult, aren’t you calling us fools? Isn’t the intended use of the word cult obviously derogatory? You definitely aren’t trying to compliment us.

What’s the difference between calling someone blind and calling them a fool? And isn’t calling a brother evil taking it further than calling them a fool? Can someone say anything worse of another? 

How do you make sense of these things? You’re plainly a hypocrite.

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Hello Isaiah,

The phrase you used to describe me: “besides the Devil himself” does not apply to someone like me that is upholding and encouraging others to follow what Christ said in Matthew 5:22, which is my “crime” on this website:

(22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

So please watch your language. Calling me a person that follows the doctrines of the Devil – for the “crime” of asking you, very politely, to follow what Christ said in Matthew 5:22, and not call other people “fool” and other names, that just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

To answer your question, we home-church. I have 6 children. Sometimes we meet in our homes with other families.

One reason we home-church is that I am very wary of men like Diotrophes, who love to have “preeminence” in the church:

3rd John (9) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
(10) Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

That is why I am wary of Victor Hafichuk. He seems like he has “preeminence” in your group.

Going along with 3rd John 10, I have seen a lot of malicious words, from you and others, and I am certain that I would be cast out of your “church” if I were a member. I think this “casting out” and “malicious words” is tied to the “preeminence” problem you may have.

So now it is your turn. Where do you meet? With what church organization are you affiliated? Or is this the “Church Of Victor Hafichuk?” That is what a lot of people on the internet say today.

Perhaps you can prove them wrong.

If you were nice to people, no one would call you a cult. I think it would be unfair to call you a cult, without all of the facts. But there are a lot of people that do call you a cult, regardless.

Christ said, “By their fruits, ye shall know them.” I am not your judge, but I have seen your fruits. There are very few “positive things” that you say about other people on your website. Maybe that is why people think you belong to a cult.

My second question to you is – (and this is the most interesting one, please respond):

Are there any people that you believe are NOT false prophets? You have a very long list of false prophets, but are there any good people teaching about Christ out in the world today, that are not teaching false doctrines, in your opinion?

Thanks,

John

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Martin asked you: “What church do you attend, John? We’d like to know who your elders are. Where are you getting your Mr. Nice Guy doctrines from, besides the Devil himself?”

Answer the questions, John

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You have some good points, Martin. John the Baptist can say what he wants, and you and I are not John the Baptist.

But your quote from Paul – apparently you did not read your own quote. Paul is stating the the prophets of Crete were calling people these names, not Paul. And Paul told Timothy to rebuke them “sharply” for it, so they would be “sound in the faith”.

Apparently, Paul agrees with me on this topic. Christians should not be calling people names, especially on a “Christian” website.

And regardless of which way you move on this, this fact still stands:

You and I, and everyone else here, were told not to call each other “fools” by Christ:

Matt 5: (22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Why? Because when we call people names, we are in danger of hell fire.

I tried to warn you. You can argue this with Christ, not me. I am just stating what is in your own Bible.

There is some sort of problem in your group. Just a lot of hatred and animosity against anyone that criticizes Victor, or some web page that Victor wrote.

It is Christ that is criticizing Victor, not me.

All you have to do is to remove the bad and hateful words from your website, and you could tell Christ that you did everything He asked you to do.

You need to choose between Victor and Christ on this.

I think that it is Victor that has you calling people these names. He seems to have some issues.

Leave Victor, and Follow Christ. You won’t have to curse anyone ever again if you follow Christ.

Christ is the Good Shepherd. His Sheep Know HIs Voice.

And His Sheep do not need to call people names. They obey their Shepherd’s instructions in Matthew 5:22..

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John,

There’s no further point in undertaking the fool’s errand of answering your accusatory bickering. It’s plain to see, for all of us, that your judgment and fate are set.

You’ve gnashed your teeth right into your own grave, being completely unreasonable on top of all the other evils that you’ve vomited at us (and Him) here.

The Lord Jesus Christ will not be mocked. We reap what we sow and He becomes quite angry when His enemies come assaulting His children.

The Lord do as He wills with you.

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Michael

Just because Christ can do something does not mean that you can do the same.

You are looking for some way to get around what Christ specifically told you to do:

(22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Christ told you, and Victor, and all of the rest of you, not to call people names. Everyone on this website has abused me with various names, because they cannot answer what Christ said. It is what Christ said that made the members of your group mad, not me. Somehow, I am being called the “names” that Christ told you not to call me, when it was Christ that created this doctrine in the first place.

And on top of that, it is demeaning to yourself when you call people names. People have less respect for someone that resorts to name calling, than someone who “politely destroys their arguments.”

Ad Hominem attacks is called a logical fallacy, for a reason.

Now, here is where the rest of your logic fails:

You read in the Bible where someone with more authority than you, such as Christ, calls someone a “fool”, or “foolish”. For some reason, you think that you have this same level of authority, and so it makes it acceptable for you to do the same and call people a “fool”.

And, using this higher level of authority than you have, you claim that when Christ said “do not call anyone a “fool””, that what Christ said no longer applies to you.

In this manner, you have put yourself at an equal, or greater level of authority than Christ. That is not logical.

Just stop calling people names. It makes you look really bad to the rest of the world, even if Victor does it too.

Victor Hafichuk is not Christ. Victor is a man, and is fallible. Hold up what Christ said and apply it to Victor, if you can. If you can do that, and Victor realizes his error, then that is a good outcome. And the website gets cleaned up.

But if you would be cast out of the group for even thinking this is possible, or to imply that Victor is not in obedience to Christ, then you are in a cult run by Victor.

I don’t think you will ever quit calling people names. It doesn’t look good so far.

And the “rest of the world” thinks you are in a cult, and it looks to me that your name calling “to protect Victor” would prove them to be true.

Do the opposite. Have a talk with Victor, clean up the website, and quit calling people names.

Victor needs to come under the authority of Christ, just like the rest of us.

John

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You’re dealing with the Lord Jesus Christ and His Body.

John the Baptizer called the Pharisees “a brood of vipers”.

How about Titus 1:12,13

“One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith.”

That’s a lot of “name calling” don’t you think?

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, John. You’re just another clued out religious dude, parading around your pretend “nice guy” virtue. You’re among those that stoned the prophets and condemned and killed Jesus Christ. By your very nature, you despise honesty and reality.

Your doctrine is one of political correctness, a virtue of men that is despised by God.

You say, “If you are running this website, then you really need to let someone else, like Lauren, take over that is more polite. That would attract more new people that are interested.”

Don’t you know that what is esteemed among men, including your idea of politeness (political correctness), is despised by God. We would bring His Wrath on us if we attempted to increase our numbers by beating around the bush.

You’re a fool. So we call you a fool. Is that wrong? Isn’t Proverbs filled with definitions of what a fool is? Why else would Solomon spend so much effort identifying all the traits of a fool if it wasn’t for calling a fool a fool when you meet one, so you’re not carried away with them and their damned foolishness?

Only a fool would outlaw calling a fool a fool. Calling a brother a fool is totally different matter.

What church do you attend, John? We’d like to know who your elders are. Where are you getting your Mr. Nice Guy doctrines from, besides the Devil himself?

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Jason,

There are a LOT of people, a lot more than “just me”, that say all over the internet that the “Pathway of Truth” is a cult led by Victor Hafichuk.

It looks like Victor has taught you to publicly humiliate people with epitaphs like “fool”, a practice which Our Lord has condemned in Matt 5:22.

Victor is the greatest in your group. That is why his picture is on the front page of your website.

Luke 22: (24) And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
(25) And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
(26) But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

Christ said that “ye shall not be so.” No one should exercise lordship over you, or exercise authority over you, except Christ.

If you could get Victor’s picture off the front of your website, and remove all of the bad names that he and others call people that have a difference of opinion from your group, then you would be much closer to avoiding the “cult” label.

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John,

I found this verse, although I don’t take credit.

““But God said to him, ‘You fool! You will die this very night. Then who will get everything you worked for?’ “Yes, a person is a fool to store up earthly wealth but not have a rich relationship with God.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Those are Jesus’ own words.

You’re finding fault with God.

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Matthew 5:(22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I would worry more about Christ, and less about Victor.

Victor calls people “fools”, and Christ said not to call people “fools”. That is a sin.

Words that you use like “idiot” “stupidity”, and “ponce”, are all words that a Christian should not call other people. You have learned this from Victor, not Christ.

There are some real problems with your group. You have placed a man where only Christ should stand.

I would ask any of you in this group that you “come out of her, my people, that you not be a partaker of her sins.”

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Men who will call me an idiot when I’m being an idiot, whether or not I’m their brother in the Lord, are doing God’s service.

Many such instances. I recall them now with fondness and gratitude.

I’ll stick with the “mean cult”.

Also, everyone else sees that John is calling Victor a dangerous idiot in a “nice” way, right? Surely I’m not the only one.

Rules for thee and not for me; iye John? Get to call us a cult but we dare not call a fool a fool because you interpreted scripture in a moralizing and pretentious way?

Ignore the example of the Lord or His saints through the ages all yee peasants! Ignore the logical restraints the Lord professed in Matthew 5:22 of not doing things without just cause! The ruler of proper interpretation has graced us in all hypocrisy, to tell us not to call people mean names, while calling anyone who doesn’t listen to him a cult. Bow down before his clear rule, lest we be smited for having a mean word upon our lips directed at he whom John considers a brother in the Lord. Ahmen.

Aaaaah the contradiction of sinners is just “chefs kiss”. Beautiful in its idiocy.

Am I allowed to call people sinners John? I know a lot of people who think that’s mean too, and if the Lord doesn’t want us calling anyone a single mean word like “fool”, then surely we can’t just use another word that basically means the same thing in a more specific application, right? Right?!

You’d never do that, would you? Would you?!

?

Father, either everyone is gonna laugh, or Ima get in trouble for my attitude. Maybe both. I can’t help but laugh a John’s stupidity though, and know that mockery is perfectly within the realm of acceptable conduct.

Hopefully John stops taking himself so seriously and realizes what a ponce he’s being. I don’t hate the guy, but jeez, if noone could call me a fool, what a fool I’d still be.

Thanks for sending Victor and Martin to crack skulls everyone once and awhile Father. We deserved it.

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You blind guides who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! (Mat 23:24 MKJV)

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I really hope you can escape this cult.

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Victor. In accordance with what Christ said Matt 5:22, please remove the name “slinking hyenic person” at the top of this webpage.
Calling people “names” really hurts your credibility, too.
John Hurt

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Sin is a transgression of the Law. 1 John 3:4.
Victor and others are sinning when they call other people names, like “fools”. Matt 5:22)
The topic of our discussion is that this site calls people names that Christ forbids. It is not about me, it is about whoever runs this website and puts these names on people.
Get this log out of your own eye, and then you can talk about me.

And yes, you are in a cult. It is all over the internet that “The Path of Truth” is a cult, and needs to be avoided.

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John,

You’ve taken the liberty of hurling some heavy accusations here, which are absurd, but serve a purpose for all of us which you do not yet realize.

The Lord brought me to TPOT 13 years ago, which means that I’ve been here longer than most. I’ve never once witnessed Victor telling anyone to look to him and not the Lord nor have I once witnessed Victor, Paul Cohen or Martin tell anyone to obey them over the Lord. Where are you getting these thing from? Seriously!

What I have heard, consistently, is “look to Him!” “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.” “Obey the Lord.” Have you taken the time and care to actually read anything here beyond what is said of your idol Del Tando? Does any honorable judge in a worldly court render judgment before seeing all the evidence in a case? You’ve seen fit to.

Do you deny that God appoints teachers and leaders over His people? Do you condemn Moses, who the Lord appointed over the Israelites to lead them out of the land of Egypt? Doesn’t the Bible say that God appoints even worldly rulers? How much more Godly leaders to tend to His own flock! The entire testimony of the Scriptures bears witness to this. Are you accusing God of being a liar and the inspired Scriptures along with Him? Indeed, you are. You find baseless fault with us, persecuting us (which I’m thankful for), judging us, weeping and gnashing your teeth all the way while adamantly defending a snake who has been proven to be in error.

You’ve played the role of an accuser of the brethren because your father is THE accuser of the brethren. Intellect and even Biblical knowledge isn’t where it’s at, John, and they haven’t served you beyond your own condemnation.

Like your father Satan, you’re a liar and a murderer. You’re a silly fool…a snake and, like your father, your time is up. You didn’t end up here by chance but with the purpose of edifying the saints and for your judgment.

Woe to you.

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John, you are wrong and you have been corrected but because you refuse to receive the correction you will continue to be corrected by harsher means through the people and circumstances in your everyday dealings. You can count on it. God’s love is so great that you cannot escape with your sin. Eventually, and perhaps not in this existence, you will humble yourself and turn, blessing instead of cursing the one who comes in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s also a guarantee and one you will be thankful for, when the time comes.

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It all makes sense to me now. And please correct me if I am wrong.

The website “The Path of Truth” is operated by the cult of Victor Hafichuk.

Victor calls other people names on this website, even uses names like “fool”, which Christ prohibited in Matthew 5:22. Christ said calling someone a “fool” put us in danger of “hell fire”. That does not bother Victor Hafichuk.

These words of Victor, calling people “fools” and “slinking hyenas” cannot be changed on the website by the cult members, as these words were written by the “cult leader” – a man who exercises authority over the cult, and has made himself into the “greatest” of the cult members.

Here is what Christ said about someone being “the greatest”:

Luke 22: (24) And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
(25) And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
(26) But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
(27) For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

Christ is as one that serveth. Victor is the one that exercises “lordship” over all of the people in his cult. The two positions are incompatible with each other.

You have to choose whether to serve Christ, or Victor Hafichuk.

Christ said not to call other men “fools” (Matthew 5;22). Victor calls other men “fools”.

Victor does not obey Christ, as he is not under the authority of anyone, even Christ, and does as he pleases.

To paraphrase Joshua 24:15, “Choose you this day, who you will serve, Christ, or Victor Hafichuk.

But as for me an my household, I will serve Christ.

And as Christ said:

John 14:(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is only salvation in following Jesus Christ. There is no salvation in following Victor Hafichuk. Christ is the only way.

And I pray that God opens your eyes so that each of you can escape this evil cult.

John Hurt

PS. And I am certain that Victor will have this deleted immediately, as he cannot stand any valid criticism. But Christ is right in Matt 5:22 that we should not call people “fools’ and Victor Hafichuk is wrong. Victor cannot defeat this logical discussion. So he will resort to censorship.

Run out the door, if you still can.

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Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

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John, this reply has been modified in light of what Martin was given to say but I share it because you highlighted (baited?) me as though I were somebody amongst a sea of nobodys when nothing could be further from the truth.

The Lord referred directly to a Canaanite woman as a dog, a slur according to you, but an assessment received in humility, by Faith, as fair in the woman it was spoken to. The Lord did not then say “Woman, great are your works!” but “Woman, great is your faith!”.

Isn’t it true John, that what is most offensive to you is that you are one with Del Tondo and therefore the Lord’s judgment against him is a judgment against you? The pretentions are yours because you, as Del Tondo, are a natural man speaking of spiritual things. You both bow before another Jesus, having no fear of the Lord of Glory. It’s why you do not hear His voice as He speaks through His servants. You don’t know Him as He comes in the flesh today in His chosen people here because you follow after an image of the fleshly Jesus who walked the earth in a physical body.

You cannot identify His Spirit speaking through Paul or Victor or Martin or by any of the men in the words He gives them to share with you and so you ask “Are you, or I, or anyone, the one with ‘righteous judgement’? Can you or I reveal the state of a person’s heart?” You can’t, John. Because the Lord Jesus Christ, in His days walking the earth, never said that we would be One with Him as unrighteous sinners. His command when saving sinners was “Go and sin no more” but you remain in unrighteousness. How will you join the feast of the Lamb, the Wedding Supper? It’s the unrighteous, unprofitable servants coming up by another way, as you are, who are being cast into outer darkness. And you are in darkness, John. You’ve divided Christ’s Spirit from His Body in opposition to one and preference to the other while in Reality you hate both. You say Paul, Victor, Martin, Michael, the True Jew is speaking from himself instead of Himself and in so doing you call good evil and evil good. You don’t know His Presence, his prophets, his people. You don’t know the Lord Jesus Christ and all of it is according to His working until His appointed time for you. Until then you’ll remain exactly as you are, not hearing or seeing, but rightly identified many times on this page and in this thread.

  “And I was with you in weakness and in fear, and in much trembling.
  And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
  so that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
  But, we speak wisdom among those who are perfect; yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, that come to nothing.
  But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which God has hidden, predetermining it before the world for our glory;
  which none of the rulers of this world knew (for if they had known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory).
  But as it is written, “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,” nor has it entered into the heart of man, “the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
  But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.
  For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
  But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
  These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
  But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
  For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

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Christ is superior to Victor Hafichuk.

I feel sorry for you.

Christ said in John 14:6.

“(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Victor cannot take you to the Father, only Christ.

Good luck, brother.

May you find peace, and escape this cult.

Now I understand…

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I suppose you’d find fault with this verse then:

“Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭18‬:‭2‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Theres a search bar on the site where you can find the answer to those questions.

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In your statement:

“Aren’t you disagreeing and posting here? But honestly, there aren’t many viewpoints, there’s His viewpoint and that’s it, whether we agree or disagree or like it or not. You appear to not like it right now.”

I suppose you mean the viewpoint of Christ.

And Christ’s viewpoint is that we should not call people a “fool” (Matt 5;22).

And this website calls people “fools”, like Mr. Del Tondo.

And you won’t change anything on this website, even if Christ tells you to do so.

So we are back at square one.

All it takes, Michael, is to drop “pretentious fool” from the top of this webpage. That is all!
It would take someone 5 minutes to change the HTML.
If I am right about Matt 5:22, then dropping these hateful words would be a help. If I am wrong about Matt 5:22, then dropping all of these hateful words would improve the credibility of your website.
Either way, it would be a win.

So why not?

And could you please tell me what Christian denomination or “church” is funding this website?

I would like to know who is in charge. I have some questions for your church leadership about what is going on here.

Or is it just a group of friends? You are under some sort of “church authority”, aren’t you?

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And what I said to Lauren, I really was trying to be “nice” to her, to the best of my ability.

She is not “dumb”. That is a terrible thing to say.

To me, it looks like you are putting words in my mouth, because you can’t win the logical discussion any other way.

I think you need to apologize to Lauren for pulling her into this. She is not dumb at all.

Michael, to me, and this is my own opinion, you have a lot of bile and hatred for something, or someone, – somewhere – that seems to come out in the words that you say.

And there is more than just you. There is a tinge of hatred on this website from a lot of people here (except Lauren, she seems pretty nice and never resorted to calling me various names. )

If you are running this website, then you really need to let someone else, like Lauren, take over that is more polite. That would attract more new people that are interested.

Calling people names, it just makes you lose credibility.

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Dear Martin.

Please stop calling people names. It degrades you.

Also if you insist on calling me a “snake”, I would ask you to note that “snake” has already been used on this website. As has the term “pretentious fool”, and “slinking hyenic person”.

Now you have created a new set of degrading words about someone who worships Christ, just like you do, but that you demean for the reason that they hold a different opinion than yours:

You are a child of Satan, one with him and his ways. Your mind is filled with darkness and your heart with malice. You are evil.

Martin, that is not fair. You don’t know me. The only thing I have said on this post is that everyone needs to quit calling people names, in accordance with Christ’s statement in Matthew 5:22.

When I said bad words as a child, my mother actually washed my mouth out with soap. I still remember the taste. But it worked, and I quit.

Here is what James 3 says about how hard it is to control what we say about others:

James 3: (2) For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
(3) Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
(4) Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
(5) Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
(6) And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
(7) For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
(8) But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
(9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
(10) Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
(11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
(12) Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

Please don’t curse me with bad words, or other men. I am your brother. I am made in the similitude of God, just like you.

No one can curse his brother and praise God at the same time. You may not think so, but at least James agrees with me.

Please stop calling people names. Just address their arguments. It is not that hard.

I have not called you a “name”, have I?

Thank you.

John Hurt

By the way, what type of “church” runs this website? Is there some Christian denomination that is affiliated with this site, or just a group of friends?

I would like to know what I am dealing with here on this site.

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Don’t say anything more about me. Just clean up your website, and stop calling people names. PLEASE…

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Don’t say anything more about me. Just clean up your website, and stop calling people names. PLEASE…

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John, you preach a gospel of niceness but then you say to Lauren that “you’ll try to be nice.”

Ironically, saying that “you’ll try to be nice”, is really just a underhanded condescending way of calling someone an idiot, which is the very thing you are criticizing.

Why did you have to tell Lauren that it would require effort to be “nice” if you weren’t trying to communicate to her and everyone else (without technically saying it) that Lauren was so dumb that being nice would require effort?

Are you so foolish that you think you’ll evade the consequences of hatred if you make sure to speak “nicely”? I guess you are.

You, John Hurt, are an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ. You’re a snake.

You say with one half of your forked tongue, “God says to be nice,” while the other half belittles and condemns. Your attitude stinks like an open grave.

You are a child of Satan, one with him and his ways. Your mind is filled with darkness and your heart with malice. You are evil.

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John,

“Are you, or I, or anyone, the one with “righteous judgement”? Can you or I reveal the state of a person’s heart?”

Without The Lord, no, we can not judge righteous judgement. But with Him, yes we can. Truly, if a true believer can’t judge with righteous judgement, how will the world be judged?

“Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

And just generally speaking, aren’t we judging matters all the time? The issue is if it is righteous. Aren’t you judging everyone here to be fools by completely disregarding anything anyone has said, unless you’ve considered some of it?

You said: “I found his YouTube discussions interesting, and I was wondering if there were some “counter arguments” that made “sense”.

So you’re implying they don’t make sense aren’t you? You came looking for counter arguments, found some and disagree and seemingly over him being called a pretentious fool. What is this, if not a judgement, how do you know if it’s righteous or unrighteous? Are you so smart?

If someone’s pretentious, it can be pretty clear. Like Isaiah said, “Is it wrong to call someone a fool, that is indeed a fool?”It’s just stating facts. People can be pretentious and foolish, making them pretentious fools.

Here is what Christ said to “all of us” about judging our brothers:
Matthew 7: (1) Judge not, that ye be not judged.
(2) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
(3) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
(4) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
(5) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
I think we all need to worry about what is in our own eyes first.

Yes, true. We need to take care of the sin in our lives, but then once we clearly see, we can take the beam out of our brothers eye.

Aren’t you making the judgement that the author, hasn’t taken the beam out of their eye, so they can judge righteously? And how would you know? 

“Christ never instructed us to teach anyone else’s doctrines. Not one verse that I could find that ever stated that Christ told us to teach any other person’s doctrines. If you find one, let me know.”

Are there not elders? Is there not order? It’s not a different doctrine. It’s Christ, in Paul, teaching other believers, giving more for the maturity of the body.

Paul threw away his previous doctrines for the knowledge of Christ. 

You say:

“Following Christ above all other teachers is a totally different religion than what you find in church. It shouldn’t be, but it is.
According to Christ, salvation is not by “grace through faith”, but by keeping the 10 Commandments (Matt 19:16-19) and by providing for the needs of other people. (Matt 25:31-46).”

If that’s true, then why did Jesus preach on the importance of faith?

Faith establishes the law. By Faith Abraham obeyed God. Grace, is Gods power/unmertited favor to obey Him, otherwise, we can’t keep the Law(10 commandments).

Didn’t the Israelites follow Moses?

edit: It was God who gave Moses the 10 commandments, to give to the Israelites.

You also have to work and use your talents to avoid being thrown into “outer darkness” (Matt 25:14-30). And there are other requirements of what we need to do. It is a “works based” religion. That is quite different than “faith alone”, where all you need is to believe in the “Death, Burial and Resurrection”, that is, keep a thought in your head, and then do as you please to achieve salvation.”

And according to Christ, God’s Law has not been “nailed to the cross”, as long as heaven and earth are still here. Matt 5:17-20. They were here the last time I looked my window, they were.”

No one here would disagree. Paul wouldn’t disagree either. 

“Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭31‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Christ also taught that ministers should not be paid, but freely give, for freely you have received. Matt 10:8. That is a bombshell doctrine, that blows away every church.
What Del Tondo is teaching is a totally different religion, but I would not call it “un-Christian”. That shoe fits the other foot a little easier.”

No one here would disagree and there’s a lot about that here at this site.

“I found his YouTube discussions interesting, and I was wondering if there were some “counter arguments” that made “sense”.
How about setting up a website that promotes open discussion of the Bible from different viewpoints, without calling people names? That would be really helpful. I would love to read a website like that.”

Aren’t you disagreeing and posting here? But honestly, there aren’t many viewpoints, there’s His viewpoint and that’s it, whether we agree or disagree or like it or not. You appear to not like it right now.

There’s plenty of those websites. No one is keeping you here, you can go and read them.

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You do not understand what Jesus was saying. He was not telling people to not name call (I speak for readers’ sake more than your sake). For example, who was Jude in his letter of the Bible name calling as hidden reefs and grumblers if not people thought to be brothers in Christ?

How about Duet 31:27 ESV: “For I know how rebellious and stubborn you are [Moses speaking to the Levites]. Behold, even today while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the LORD. How much more after my death!”

And you, John, probably think you know God better than these two do. Have you been face to face with God like Moses was? Surely, this John does not know what he is talking about.

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With that logic, I suppose Paul has overturned Matthew 5:22, and everything else Christ ever said.

That “thinking about how to talk with brothers, but irrelevant because Douglas is not even a brother.” That is just more “name calling.”

How are you given the authority to tell us who is, and who is not, a brother in Christ? Are you making yourself like Diotrophes who uses words to cast other people out of the church? 3 John 1:9-10.

Or should it be more like this:
“And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” (Acts 2:47) Yes, the Lord adds us to His church, not men. And not you or I.

Christ said that He is the One that knows who His “brothers” really are:

John 10:(14) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

John 10:(27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

I would think that the Lord knows who are His, better than you or I. And when we have to resort to the tactic “they are not a real brother”, it is because we don’t have a good answer for their arguments.

Please don’t call people names, like they are “not a brother”, etc.

To get around Matthew 5:22, and how this website transgresses the clear commandments of Christ by calling anyone that disagrees with them a degrading name, it appears to me that you have lost the argument.

So, you have to resort to quotations from Paul, where Paul appears to be violating Christ’s commandment not to call other people names. That is a terrible inconsistency. They cannot both be right.

Christ is superior to Paul (John 13:16). If Paul is calling other people names, and Christ said not to do it, then Paul is wrong, and Christ is correct. Or else, and much more likely, you are not understanding Paul correctly, and using Paul’s words to your own destruction. (2nd Peter 3:15-16)

So what if you removed Paul, and used the rest of the Bible to make your points? Shouldn’t there be a 2nd witness that says you can contradict Christ in Matt 5:22? There isn’t, is there? You must be using Paul’s words incorrectly.

And even if you found several witnesses that said you can overturn Matt 5:22, would they be superior to the Witness of Christ? No. Not according to YHVH.

YHVH said that Christ is superior to all others. Acts 3:22-23. That includes Paul. Or any other writer. Or what you and I “think” is right.

Christ told you not to call other people names, and you won’t do it. You won’t listen to Him. To find out the consequences, read Matthew 7:21-23. I would be very careful about this. All that “repent” means is that you have to change course. Just remove the “name calling” words from the website, it is that simple.

And it should not be that hard to do. Just do it. Calling people names degrades the reputation of the people that use these words, not the people that “receive” the “name calling”. Name calling really lowers you and the others on this site in the eyes of other people. If you won’t listen to Christ, then do it for your own benefit.

What is this “TPOT Paper”? Who wrote it? Why does someone have to believe it? Why do I have to repent to the writer of the TPOT paper? I thought Christ was to be our guide.

If you don’t mind, I will let Christ judge me. You can use the TPOT paper to wrap fish.

I believe the problem is that when we put the doctrines of men as superior to Christ, like the TPOT paper writer, then our religion is vain. As Christ said:

Matthew 15: (8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

(9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

TPOT paper, no thanks. The teachings of Christ, Yes! My worship of Christ is not vain if I listen to Him over the doctrines of men.

You are right about not posting the images of Christ. It is a violation of the 2nd Commandment. That would be something worthy to post, and hopefully correct Douglas in his work. That would be helpful. That was a very good point.

John

Comment link: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teacher/douglas-del-tondo.htm#comment-64340

Yes, the Lord says Raca in Matthew 5:22 and aphrones in Luke. Raca is more like, you good for nothing, a condemnation. Apparently, not used elsewhere in the the Scriptures of Greek. Aprones is more like senseless, unbelieving. Interesting for thinking about how to talk with brothers, but irrelevant because Douglas is not even a brother. How can he be a brother in Christ if he or you rejects us or any reproof to his condition?

Now, are we even condemning false teachers or showing the light for them to consider and repent? Well, let’s see Paul’s example to contrast with what you say below:

“Our Lord specifically requires us not to call other Christians “fool” or other names, like “slinking hyena”.”

But 1 Cor 5:2 ESV says:

“And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.”

Wow, Paul said this to brothers, not just outsiders or pretenders!

But say that they did not obey Paul and claimed righteousness? They would be showing they had nothing to do with the Lord. Douglas has yet to believe the TPOT paper and repent. You, too, John, have yet to repent after hearing the Truth. Also, Douglas has more wrong than the TPOT paper shows, like posting images of Jesus, a thing prohibited by the Second Commandment.

Besides, what does Paul have to do with the Lord? A lot as 2 Cor 5:18-20 ESV says:

“All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

Now, John, you speak like you got something to teach by saying the Lord requires something about not name calling and more. Ezekiel in Ezekiel 23 was about to call Israel and his people lewd after the vision in the chapter. So, how about listening instead of continuing in your arguments?

Read https://www.thepathoftruth.com/prophecies/the-judgment-is-set.htm

Comment link: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teacher/douglas-del-tondo.htm#comment-64339

Lauren,

I will try to be nice about this…

Are you, or I, or anyone, the one with “righteous judgement”? Can you or I reveal the state of a person’s heart? Here is what Christ said to “all of us” about judging our brothers:

Matthew 7: (1) Judge not, that ye be not judged.
(2) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
(3) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
(4) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
(5) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

I think we all need to worry about what is in our own eyes first.

Do some research on Douglas Del Tondo, and tell me what you find concerning his arguments.

From what I understand, his “crime” is that he believes that Christ is superior to Paul.

He is on YouTube now, under his “Jesus Words Only” channel. Del Tondo uses verses to support his arguments like this one, where Christ said He was supreme over His apostles:

John 13:16 verily, verily, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his lord, nor an apostle greater than he who sent him;

Here is another one. In His “Great Commission, Christ instructed us to only teach His Words:

Matthew 28:(20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:

Christ said He was our only Teacher and Instructor: Matt 23:8,10.

Christ never instructed us to teach anyone else’s doctrines. Not one verse that I could find that ever stated that Christ told us to teach any other person’s doctrines. If you find one, let me know.

YHVH said we are only to listen to Christ: Acts 3:22-23. YHVH never raised anyone higher than Christ.

This teaching that “the doctrines of Christ are supreme” is the polar opposite of “Dispensationalism”, where the churches “dispense” with Christ and choose Paul and other men, instead of Christ as their sole teacher.

Following Christ above all other teachers is a totally different religion than what you find in church. It shouldn’t be, but it is.

According to Christ, salvation is not by “grace through faith”, but by keeping the 10 Commandments (Matt 19:16-19) and by providing for the needs of other people. (Matt 25:31-46). You also have to work and use your talents to avoid being thrown into “outer darkness” (Matt 25:14-30). And there are other requirements of what we need to do. It is a “works based” religion. That is quite different than “faith alone”, where all you need is to believe in the “Death, Burial and Resurrection”, that is, keep a thought in your head, and then do as you please to achieve salvation.

And according to Christ, God’s Law has not been “nailed to the cross”, as long as heaven and earth are still here. Matt 5:17-20. They were here the last time I looked my window, they were.

Christ also taught that ministers should not be paid, but freely give, for freely you have received. Matt 10:8. That is a bombshell doctrine, that blows away every church.

What Del Tondo is teaching is a totally different religion, but I would not call it “un-Christian”. That shoe fits the other foot a little easier.

I found his YouTube discussions interesting, and I was wondering if there were some “counter arguments” that made “sense”.

How about setting up a website that promotes open discussion of the Bible from different viewpoints, without calling people names? That would be really helpful. I would love to read a website like that.

Thanks,

John

Comment link: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teacher/douglas-del-tondo.htm#comment-64338

Do you know Douglas Del Tondo? Are you his judge? Do you know for a fact that Douglas is not a brother in Christ? Is there some place where Douglas Del Tondo “presumes to be sent by God”? Do you have some proof to back up your statements?

Instead of saying that Douglas teaches “contrary to the truth”, then show what you think is the “truth”, and compare it to what Douglas teaches. Give a reference where I can look up what Douglas teaches, not just your condemnation of him. And show in the Bible where you are correct, and Douglas is wrong.

I don’t know anything about you.

If you would attack only his arguments, and not his person, then I would take you seriously.

And you should not call someone a “snake”. Matt 5:22. All of the “name calling” on this site, that needs to stop immediately.

When the first rebuttal to someone’s argument that a person gives is “ad hominem”, or attack on someone’s person and not their arguments, that is a fallacious argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
And that is the real problem with the “Path of Truth” website. It is hard to take this site seriously with all of the “names” like “snake”, “hyena”, “fool”.
You are better than that. We are all called to be better than that. Calling people names is what we learned not to do in Junior High school. And Christ told us not to do it. Period.

I was researching “Douglas Del Tondo”, and somehow this page came to the top of Google. I wanted to know his arguments. No. Just bad names to “win the argument”. It doesn’t work that way.

Comment link: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teacher/douglas-del-tondo.htm#comment-64337

In the Greek language, the Greek words Our Lord uses in Luke 11:40 and Luke 24:25 is different than the Greek word “moros” that our Lord used for “fool” in Matthew 5:22. So your comparison is incorrect.

And the audience is different. The Pharisees are not our “brothers”. The two men on the road to Emmaus lacked faith, and Christ chided them for it, which He can do. Christ is correct in what He has said, and His rules apply to us, not Him. Christ makes the rules, and we have to follow them. Christ is not bound by His own rules. Christ is superior to all of us.

Regardless, Our Lord can say whatever He pleases, and we must accept it, just like we must accept that Our Lord specifically requires us not to call other Christians “fool” or other names, like “slinking hyena”. All of these derogatory terms that we easily cast upon our brothers in Christ – they will not “win” them back to our side.

Christ cares about these people, and so should we.

When someone calls you a name, does it convince you to change your course? No. Then why do we call them these names? It does nothing except boosts our own egos, and makes us look “less” to outsiders. Using these names shows that there is hatred in our hearts for our fellow Christians.

And we are on the edge of blasphemy when we believe that we can contradict Our Lord, Jesus Christ, with His Own Words, to help us invalidate what He clearly told us to do in Matthew 5:22. All Christ said is we should not use names to insult our brothers.

No, we are the ones with the problem, not Christ. We are the ones who have committed the transgression, not Christ.

I just hope he cleans up the website. These names are really awful, and they reflect poorly upon Christ and His followers.

John

Comment link: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teacher/douglas-del-tondo.htm#comment-64336

Hi John. The question that came to mind reading your comment was: According to the Lord, is it hateful for one with righteous judgement to reveal the state of a person’s heart? Particularly when the person presumes to be leading in the Lord’s Name? 

The Lord tells us “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.”

Didn’t Nathan, according to the Lord, reveal David’s heart to Him by David’s own words, declaring “You are the man” when sin had taken hold of him? 

How can any person enter into unity with the Lord Jesus Christ if no one ever first tells us that our thoughts, our behavior, our nature is contrary to Him and His nature?

Hasn’t He said “Open rebuke is better than secret love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.”?

So telling someone even the “harsh” truth about themselves, according to the Lord, is an act of His love. By it some are warned to flee from feeding on poison in another field and all are called to turn to the One True and Living God, to be nourished in His pasture.

And there usually are anemic species of grass that would normally be robust and good for food in the toxic field. But the ground is polluted, everything is freshly and continually sprayed with pesticides, anyone who remains there will die. The imperative at that time is “Flee!”. Likewise with the mixture of false teachers. The most important of details is the Lord Jesus Christ, being the “why” the “how” and the “where to”. He’ll supply everything that’s good in it’s time, including the eyes to see and the ears to hear what is true food and what is poison.

Comment link: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teacher/douglas-del-tondo.htm#comment-64335

Hi John, just a quick point here: Douglas is not a brother in Christ but an angel of “light” who pretends to be the genuine article. If he was a “brother,” he wouldn’t teach contrary to the Truth and presume to be sent by God when he clearly isn’t. So, no, none of us have broken the commandment because your application (misapplication, rather) doesn’t at all apply in this case.

What you’re witnessing is a snake being called a snake.

Comment link: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teacher/douglas-del-tondo.htm#comment-64334