Victor had the following conversation on Facebook about a picture that declared: “I’m Keeping Christ in Christmas. Who’s With Me?”
Victor: Don’t try doing the impossible and the regrettable. Trying to include Jesus Christ in Christmas, after Whom the event is presumably named, is to bring great dishonour to Him. The event has never been about Him, but about the false, or anti-, Christ (Baal is one of the many names for this fellow).
And we can’t make Christmas about Jesus Christ any more than we can use a dirty dog dish to serve up good food to our families and guests. I’m not trying to be nasty, but telling you something you all need to know. The facts are there in historical record and the Scriptures to substantiate what I say. Read:
Jennifer Aliff: i am right the with ya i dont understand why you would take christ out of christnas its his birthday
Victor: Christmas was never Jesus’ birthday, and He was never in the event. Christmas is the birth date of the anti-Christ at the winter solstice, originating with Nimrod and his wife, Semiramis. Christ “mass” (a pagan ritual) is a pagan event dressed up as Christian. It is an affront to God. Read The Birthday Celebration of the Anti-Christ.
Sue Eaton: “I am JESUS is the Reason for the Season”
Janie Edwards Murray: Always Jesus is the reason for the season!!!!!!
Victor: Not true. TREASON is the reason for the season. It is the anti-Christ’s birthday pretending to be Christ’s. We’ve been taken by pagan subterfuge. The Lord’s birth into this world wasn’t meant to be celebrated.
The Feasts of God pointed to His death, resurrection, ascension, and return at Pentecost upon the 120 in Jerusalem (Acts 2). Not one of the seven Feasts (3 major) pointed to His physical birth. The birth they do point to is His birth from the dead – the resurrection, from, not into, this world.
Juanita DeMars: Count me in, I dont think he ever left. We just need a reminder of the true meaning.
Victor: You’re right; He never left because He was never there to leave. And I give you all the true meaning of Christmas. If you study the history of the event, it was instituted long, long before Christ. It’s absolutely pagan, in honor of a pretender to the Messiah.
Jennie Bristol: (That’s what CHRISTMAS is all about) 🙂
Victor: Again, not true, though we’ve been taught that. It is indeed treason, which we didn’t realize until He revealed the truth of the event to us.
Michael Crusco: Christ in Christmas has always been there, the big media wants all of us to believe its on its way out…..screw them! Ba Hum Bug………..
Victor: Truly, the media aren’t the people to consult, and they have their foolish opinions and false notions. However, Christmas in Christ Jesus was never in. We are guiltier than the media for implicating Jesus Christ in this anti-Christ event, though they try to dissociate Christmas from Him.
In actual fact, they are more right for keeping Him out than we for trying to make it about Him.
Sheri L. Johnson Nealy: How can it be Christmas without him? Just doesn’t work for me he is Christmas.!
Victor: The spirit and feelings you experience at Christmas are powerful, indeed, but they have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. That seductive spirit is not Him, but a spirit from Satan, deceiving in most “wonderful” ways.
If you want to serve the Lord Jesus Christ and to know Him as He is, you’ll come to experience Him every day. You won’t need an event; indeed, you’ll shun it, recognizing it for what it is – treason against Him, albeit done in ignorance.
Another comment: I’m in . . . Merry Christmas!
Victor: Believe it or not, those words carry power, as do blessings and curses. Knowing what I know now, I would not wish that spirit on anyone. I was there, under that spirit, and much enjoyed it, and I’m very thankful I’ve been delivered from it by the True and Living, Ever-Present Lord Jesus Christ, Who has now granted me the grace to preach Him to all.
Tina Nagy: I am and always have been with ya, I don’t thing without Christ at this time of year and circumstances I would function.
Victor: If you are in that condition, you are far from Jesus Christ, the Risen Lord and Savior, my friend. What? Is a celebration or annual event your only hope? How sad! You need the Lord Jesus Christ in your life. Christmas won’t do it; indeed, it does the very opposite – deceptively, seductively.
Another comment: Happy Holidays my ass !! Christ is why we have this holiday !!! Gifts to god!!!
Victor: If Christmas was about Jesus Christ, I would side with anyone who opposed trying to exclude Him. However, Jesus Christ isn’t about merriment. And He’s not about the Mass, a pagan ritual practiced long before Jesus Christ and long before the identity and establishment of the Roman Church in the 4th century.
Furthermore, language like yours is far from becoming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Those words are certainly no gift to God. Consider for your soul.
Corrie Thompson: That is what it is all about . Lets not forget that. Love him as he loves you well we can at least try all thought we all know his love is more Merry CHRIST mas try to love others as he has loved you
Victor: The spirit of Christmas breeds a false love, the fleshly, seductive, reveling, passionate kind, which has absolutely nothing to do with the Love of God or the love He gives us when we repent and believe on Him.
Patricia Chase: Merry Christmas I say every Day & thank God for his Son Jesus
Victor: When one comes to personally know the Lord Jesus Christ, being born of His Spirit, he or she is cleansed of unrighteousness. The life eventually becomes one of walking and fellowshipping with Him daily. There will be no more looking to events like Christmas for fulfillment or satisfaction. You’ll have much more.
Another comment: He saved my life
Victor: He is the Savior of all men. The True Feasts of God pointed to His work of salvation for us all. The celebration was not of the false, but of the true. We have much to be thankful for.
AdairandJordan Bosserman: I’m a God fearing man but, people really need to study… Christ never was or will ever be in Christmas. Study, or at least Google.
Victor: Indeed, people need to study, pray, and repent of themselves and their pleasures of this world. Instead of seeking occasion to celebrate, they need to humble themselves and seek the Lord. These are serious matters. Christmas brings on God’s wrath, never His blessing.
Another comment: Well “Christ” wasn’t born on “Christmas”. Actually, he wasn’t born in December at all. Sooo, yah.
Victor: The true fact that Christ wasn’t born on that day is just a small factor in the event. The myth goes that the anti-Christ was born at that date, which means that while you’re deceived into thinking you celebrate Christ, you are actually celebrating His arch enemy as put forth by the traditions of men.
But truly, people are celebrating the birth of the anti-Christ, though they don’t realize what they do. Or do they?
Beverly Carrington Wall: There’s one in every crowd.
Marilyn Hafichuk: There’s rarely if ever more than one. Many spokespersons for God have had to stand alone against scoffers. Read your Bible.
Rachel Pilloff: Sorry to inform everyone but “Christmas” was celebrated long before Jesus was even born, it is the pagan holiday also known as yule. It celebrates the coming winter solstice. Jesus wasn’t born anywhere near 12/25 and the Christmas tree is a representation of the yule log. The puritans banned the celebration of Christmas for these reasons and more. Even the word messiah (meaning anointed one) is derived from the word messa, which is the alligator fat used in pagan rituals to anoint the chosen. Even the days of the week are named after pagan gods. That’s why quakers say first day-seventh day instead. But all this isn’t necessarily bad, it just goes to show how intertwined the different cultures of the world have become.
Victor: Hi Rachel,
You know Christmas is pagan and therefore didn’t originate with Christ, of course. The Quakers and many others earnest in worshipping our crucified and risen Lord and Savior knew what they were talking about.
As to your statement that “all this isn’t necessarily bad,” you’re right that different cultures of the world have become intertwined. However, you are in disagreement with God and His prophets who wrote the Scriptures. There they plainly enjoin God’s people to have nothing to do with paganism:
“So says the LORD, Do not learn the way of the nations, and do not be terrified at the signs of the heavens; for the nations are terrified at them. For the customs of the people are vain; for one cuts a tree out of the forest with the axe, the work of the hands of the workman. They adorn it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, so that it will not wobble. They are like a rounded post, and they cannot speak. They must surely be lifted, because they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of them; for they cannot do evil nor good, for it is not in them. There is none like You, O LORD; You are great, and Your name is great in might” (Jeremiah 10:2-6 MKJV).
The keeping of Christmas is against Christ, and if anyone is a worshipper of Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth, how can observing Christmas not be bad?
Cloie L. Hust-Suttles: Absolutely Syl. There would be no Christmas without Christ.
Victor: Cloie, there would be no false Christ without Christmas, for it is his birth celebration, not Christ’s. The spirit inspiring the people of the world at Christmas is the spirit of deception, perfectly anti-Christ. Read the Scriptures, study the historical origins, and read That Devilish Spirit of Christmas.
Billie Jo Scoville Cox: Whether it be the specific day or not (and I am sure it was not) it is a time of rememberence and celebration….Yes people do celebrate differently but it’s about what is in your heart. My upbringing set the 25th as the day of celebration..when you get down to the start of it all….it was all decided by man the #of days to the week and the date on a calendar-time is referenced biblically but no exacts…There are lots of mysterys left to be told, but The birth of Christ is the reason for our celebration- My heart feels sadness for anyone who does not- I love to share that with others by of spirit, gifts and deeds- Merryment just attaches itself …but sometimes others just don’t want any part of it….I don’t understand, but then they probably don’t either-
Victor: Billie Jo, I understand your expression of sympathy for those not celebrating Christmas. I was once there myself until the Lord revealed Himself to me, as He has done to all His children. That’s not to say He made Himself known to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, or to Jews, or to the many splinters of the Worldwide Church of God, just because they also don’t celebrate Christmas – He hasn’t, but He has made Himself known to me and others.
In that revelation, He has taught us that we are to have nothing to do with that “wonderful and blessed” celebration. It is a destructive deception full of every unclean thing.
You say you don’t understand. I understand that you don’t understand. Until you are in personal touch with Jesus Christ through repentance of sin, it really is impossible to understand.
As to your speculation that I don’t understand, you are so wrong. It is because we do understand that we refrain from desecrating holy ground. We dare not mix the holy with the vile by celebrating Baal’s birth, falsely named the Christ, he being very anti-Christ.
Jonboy Risinger: I Keep God Every Day!
Victor: Jonboy, people keep and honor Christmas because they don’t “keep God every day.” If they had a living relationship with Him by His Spirit, wherein He was born in them, they would treat Christmas as the abomination it is in God’s sight.
But a question for thought on your expression: Are you keeping God or is He keeping you?
Marilyn Smercina: my minister said when you write XMAS you cross out Christ. So you are right let’s keep Christ in Christmas. Love Mom
Victor: Marilyn, understandably, your minister comes from the standpoint where I once came from, one of trying to defend Christ in this pagan-originated and -oriented celebration. But I did so naïvely, being ignorant of the facts. When you come to know Him and learn of Him at His feet, you’ll find He never was in Christmas and that He hates the event for the abomination it is; you’ll do all you know to do to keep Him out of it, and it away from Him.
Carol Mack: The best way to “keep Christ in Christmas” is to model Christlike behavior. Jesus was for feeding people. Jesus was for healing and compassion. Jesus was for getting a bunch of loud, messy, mismatched people around a table and having a big dinner. – Rev. Erin Wathen
Victor: If Jesus was for feeding people, as “Reverend” Wathen says, why didn’t He do it more often than the twice we know of while they were in the wilderness (Matthew 14:13ff. and 15:32ff.)? And was He for “getting a bunch of loud, messy, mismatched people around a table and having a big dinner”? Wherever do you find that in Scripture?
Is Erin trying to be popular and “unlegalistic”? She has the wrong Jesus, and not the One of Whom the Bible testifies, the One His saints know. Instead, she has the one of Christmas, the one of true gluttony and drunkenness, not the One they accused of those sins, though He was guiltless.
Victor to all:
For those of you who profess faith in Jesus Christ, has it ever occurred to you that hundreds of millions of those who have no faith in Christ love Christmas? So if the world loves Christmas, and it surely does, how is it that Christmas can possibly be of God? Jesus says:
“You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God” (Luke 16:15 MKJV).
How do you get around those facts and His words? Or do you really care?
Barb Hallgrav: wow this guy really Hates Christmas! He’s welcome to his opinion but I prefer to look at the results of this (granted man-made) celebration of the birth of our Saviour. I know but don’t care how it all started as long as it brings our Lord Jesus to mind all over the world. Judge it by it’s fruits: Peace -Traditional laying down of weapons, giving food & gifts to the poor, families getting together to sing songs of praise to our Lord, a reminder to all the world by commemorating the birth, life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Granted the non-believers have certainly changed the ‘spirit of Christmas’ into the spirit of Gimme Gimme, but I believe it is right & proper to celebrate the miracle of our Lord’s birth. (doesn’t matter what day was chosen)
Jeannie Van Popta: Barb, if by ‘this guy’ you mean the Lord Jesus Christ, then yes, he really does hate Christmas.
Barb Hallgrav: Jeannie, of course I meant the Writer of the article & I doubt if anyone really knows what our Lord hates other than sin & I cannot see anything with His name in it as sin. The ‘spirit of Christmas’ is a beautiful thing – what it has become in our commercial society, not so much.
Jeannie Van Popta: He tells us in the bible what He hates.
‘I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not take delight in your solemn assemblies.’ Amos 5:21
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.
To me the ‘spirit of Christmas’ is a false witness that breathes out lies. God does not ask us to celebrate Jesus’ birthday. And do you have any idea how much innocent blood has been shed by slaves to make enough chocolate, sugar and coffee for that one day alone?
Victor: Hi Barb,
You bet I hate Christmas – with a passion, because Jesus Christ hates it with a passion and I’m with Him. You may say I’m welcome to my opinion, but I certainly don’t see it that way. It’s the opinions of men that cause all the trouble and conflict. Better we should know the truth and speak it – and nothing but the truth.
Can we know the truth? You say you “doubt anyone really knows what our Lord hates other than sin.” I see Jeannie listed several of those sins. Christmas is a sin. In the link we provided, we prove it. Haven’t you red it, or are you confident, as I once was, of limited knowledge on the subject?
I can solemnly declare to you, not by opinion, but by the Spirit of the Lord Who dwells in me and Who sends me to speak on His behalf, that there is nothing whatsoever “beautiful” about the spirit of Christmas. To men, yes, very “beautiful,” but to Him, it is sheer abomination, utter ugliness. If you knew Him, if you had His Mind, which the Scriptures declare saints worshipping Him in spirit and truth have, then you would understand and heartily agree with us.
It isn’t commercialism that has ruined Christmas. Christmas was an unclean thing that began millennia before Christ. It is indeed the celebration of the birth of the sun god. This manmade deity is known by dozens of names in various cultures throughout history, one of those being Baal.
God’s prophets declared that believers are to have nothing whatsoever to do with these gods or their celebrations. It’s not up to a believer, nor is it his or her right or privilege to make a good drink out of poison, justifying herself by saying things like, “It’s the thought that counts,” or, “So long as my heart is right”; one can’t do evil for the right reasons.
It’s not about honouring God by our unclean and unlearned ways, but worshipping Him as He would have it. Who do we think we are? The Bible is clear on these points, and I’ll gladly furnish you with books, chapters, and verses. Do you believe the Scriptures, Barb? They testify of Jesus Christ and His will, Law, thoughts, and ways.
The Scriptures also testify of how we ever so nicely depart from Him and His will to our destruction. Which is what keeping Christmas is all about. Our link and many other sites and links on the internet prove it. But are you really interested in the Truth, or are you simply set on men’s traditions that defy Him?
You say, “I know but don’t care how it all started as long as it brings our Lord Jesus to mind all over the world.”
Does it do so? Yes, but in an unflattering, horridly ungodly way, indeed. And the unregenerate world celebrates in revelry and pretence of goodwill, blaspheming His Name. How is it corrupt men love Christmas so much?
You say, “Judge it by it’s fruits: Peace -Traditional laying down of weapons, giving food & gifts to the poor, families getting together to sing songs of praise to our Lord, a reminder to all the world by commemorating the birth, life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.”
There is no laying down of weapons because there is no laying down of unregenerate wills. Whenever men do lay down weapons at Christmas, they do so for strategy and gain. Right after Christmas, they go right at it again. Why? Because they couldn’t care less about the Lord, that’s why.
You want fruits? We spell them out in the link. In various pagan feasts, including Christmas, celebrants gave gifts to one another and to the poor, long before Christ’s Name was ever included. Shall you justify those feasts to other gods because they gave gifts and helped the poor? How about charity? Do we need pagan feasts to open purses? These are all excuses and foolish justifications by unlearned and unthinking people who believe they serve the Lord, but truly don’t. They are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, and pursue their lusts, instead.
As for singing songs and hymns to the Lord, I used to do so as a Catholic. We’d go caroling and sing at the top of our voices, while drunk. We loved it! Do all do so? Not at all. I can tell you we all loved the spirit of Christmas, giving and receiving gifts, dining, the tree, all of it. My point is that Christmas is loved by the sober and revelers alike. Why? Think about it.
Most importantly, God’s Feasts in Scripture until the coming of the Lord were all solemn feasts. And not one represented His physical birth into the world. They all pointed to his death, resurrection, ascension, and shedding of His Holy Spirit. Never did God desire or command that we celebrate His physical birth, because that wasn’t what His coming was about, not at all.
Finally, you say, “but I believe it is right & proper to celebrate the miracle of our Lord’s birth. (doesn’t matter what day was chosen)”
Barb, in all kindness, I say to you that you aren’t entitled to your opinion and beliefs. None of us are, not when it comes to the things of God. Only His Word and His Mind count, and when we come into a collision course with His will, we suffer the penalty of death and Hell, guaranteed.
Even if we celebrated His physical birth on the right date, it wouldn’t matter a whit. God’s will is that we celebrate His birth spiritually within. That’s what He came to accomplish. Experiencing His birth in reality, we will drop Christmas like a hot potato. Until then, we will celebrate it because its spirit and activities are soooo enjoyable to the flesh.
Which flesh is at enmity with God.
Barb Hallgrav: Marilyn, you are welcome to your interpretation. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.’ Merry Christmas & God Bless you. Colossians 2:16
Victor: Barb, let’s take the verse you quote at us in context:
Colossians 2:13-17 MKJV
(13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
(14) blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.
(15) Having stripped rulers and authorities, He made a show of them publicly, triumphing over them in it.
(16) Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or in respect of a feast, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths.
(17) For these are a shadow of things to come, but the Body is of Christ.
Plainly, Paul was talking about the rituals and ordinances of Israel before Christ, and not about pagan festivities and customs, which he and the prophets, saints, and other apostles denounced in no uncertain terms.
The fact is the prophets judged the heathen for their sins of idolatry, as did the apostles and saints. Paul the apostle, the same man who spoke those words to the Colossians, also spoke the following words to the Corinthians:
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 MKJV
(14) Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what partnership does light have with darkness?
(15) And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever?
(16) And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, “I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”
(17) Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you
(18) and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.
Does Paul contradict himself? So what was Paul saying to the Colossians? He was speaking from the standpoint of Scriptural instruction and understanding. He was not speaking of tolerating paganism, as his words to the Corinthians bear out. Where do you get your unscriptural interpretations, Barb?
As for judging no man in food and drink, was he speaking as you suppose? If so, what was he doing here?:
“For in eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is hungry, and another drunken. For do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the Church of God, and shame those who do not have? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? I do not praise you!” (1 Corinthians 11:21-22 MKJV)
And: “Therefore whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31 MKJV).
Do you think Paul wouldn’t rebuke or judge in drinking and eating things contrary to all health and godliness? If you do, you’re mistaken. If he didn’t, Paul wouldn’t be doing his job in teaching the truth and what’s good for his sheep.
So how do you who defends paganism serve the Lord as you declare? You don’t know what you’re saying. And that’s because your heart isn’t after the Lord, but after the world. Not good.
You say I’m welcome to my interpretation. No, I’m not – not even by you, though you say so, and certainly not by the Lord. As far as He’s concerned, I’m only welcome to the truth; never to lies and idolatry. So, Barb, wrong again.
But I’ll leave you to your devices. This device of celebrating Christmas has cost you dearly, as it does all. People suffer sickness and disease, tragic accidents, financial troubles, divorce, wayward children, fear and torment, depression and every evil thing because of Christmas, the ignorant observance of the birth of the anti-Christ. They suffer great darkness and poverty of spirit because God’s wrath is on it. This we know and this we speak for His sake and for the sakes of all who unwittingly destroy themselves in the Name of the Lord, taking it in vain.
– December 7, 2012
I want you to know that while some make Christmas an issue, it being the season, we need to have it from the Lord to know what to say, to whom and what, but let’s not get in bondage about it. When it comes right down to it, Christmas is not the issue.
Wrong! While almost all nominal Christian churches celebrate Easter, why don’t they stop to consider that the pagan goddess of fertility and love, Ishtar or Ashtoreth, has the preeminence here even in the name of the occasion - “Easter”? As with Christmas, carnal religious leaders long ago decided to bring the heathen into their fold by “Christianizing” their idolatrous worship practices, cleverly paralleling them to, and interweaving them with, Biblical events and practices.
The celebration of Christmas, though it appears to be one of the most wonderful, unselfish, enjoyable, innocent and even godly events on earth, is, in fact, one of the most evil and destructive events. It is akin to perverse sexuality, war, murder, pornography and almost anything if not anything else evil that one can name. I will tell you why, not with mere opinion, but with fact and truth evident in daily reality. I will speak from experience and from the Scriptures, in which men think to find their foundation for partaking in and perpetrating this enjoyable abomination before God. He hates it with a passion; He hates what it does to His people and everyone else, and He hurts because of it.