To: The Path of Truth
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 5:34 PM
Subject: Questions on the Trinity.
Hey guys, I’m pretty new to your site and I’ve been looking around a lot and learning some very interesting stuff. I consider myself a “baby Christian” as I only started reading the Bible in February. Since then I’ve read it twice more this year. But, I do have a quick question about the denial of the Trinity on your site. I’ll get right to it, and I’m sorry if these are questions that you’ve already addressed. If they are, please just post a link to the article and I’ll be happy to read them.
First off, in II Corinthians 1:3 Paul writes “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”
In my opinion Paul’s letters seem to make a pretty clear distinction between Father and Son. Here is included not only the God “AND” Father, but also “OF” our Lord Jesus Christ.
But the reason I mostly believe in the Trinity is actually from Genesis 18 and 19.
Just to rehash it quickly, Abraham is sitting in the tent door when he looks up and see’s 3 men standing near him. He gets up and says Genesis 18:3 “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant…” So he serves them and they talk, then it reads Genesis 18:22 “Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord.”
At 19:1 we read “Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening..”
So logically, there were 3 men, 2 were angels, 1 was the Lord in the figure of man, which can only be Jesus. Then I’m sure you know how the angels visit went, so my big question is:
Genesis 19:24 where it reads: “Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens.”
So, the way I read that is “Then the Lord (Son* in human form on the earth ie; Jesus) rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord (Father YHWH) out of the heavens.
I’m sorry but I have a JW friend that I haven’t talked to in a while, last time I talked to him I was just getting into the Bible, so when he asked me “If Jesus is God, then why did he pray to God?” At the time I didn’t have a response, but now I feel like if he would ask me again, I would actually go to the Genesis passage, over anything in the New Testament, that there are Father and Son, but both share the power of the Godhead. Can you tell me how this passage does not confirm the possibility of the Trinity? Obviously the Spirit is not mentioned here, but if you can establish that there is a Father AND a Son, it wouldn’t be too inconceivable of adding the Spirit to the equation.
Thank you ahead of time for your response, and again I’m sorry if this passage has been sited before.
From: Paul Cohen
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Questions on the Trinity.
Your question about Genesis 19 is answered in The Asininity of the Trinity.
For more on the error of JW’s denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, see Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Since the days of Jesus in His flesh, God has been seeking out and redeeming only the firstfruits, Jesus being the first of the firstfruits. If God could stop someone from sin so easily and dramatically as He did Saul of Tarsus (Acts 9:1-8), why not all others? Because He doesn’t want to; it isn’t time.
From: Steve To: The Path of Truth Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 2:38 AM Subject: Your Website/ Messages Hello Victor and Paul, Well, your website is quite something. Almost everything you write about I can relate to from Scriptures. (I say almost because I at this point do not necessarily agree with every theological stance you have). At minimum, you certainly have views and approaches that will appear highly controversial. At that, I'm not sure to what level of commitment you'll be interested in for fellowship. For close on ten years now, I've been scouting for a form of biblical Eldership or Leadership. Years ago, I cried to the Lord. It is easy for anyone deceiving oneself. Yes, many love Him but that means nothing in itself. It is also difficult commending men. But if anything, I have the feeling that this relationship might be found with you. Specifically, in elder- or leadership, I'm referring to Victor. I also find Paul's writing and approach quite novel. Some will say this is not the Spirit of Messiah, but I'm no more so sure. It simply needs to be evaluated. That which claims to be "love" out there is found lacking in almost everything. So regarding age and experience, if we're both prepared for commitment, I'll be relating to Victor as an elder; if I'm to commit myself and open myself in the areas that need to be. That means, if there is anything to discuss, I hope it to be a one on one with Victor, without carbon copying to someone else. Whatever you...
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