Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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Michael Condit
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Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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Victor,

““For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the LORD, “So shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD. “And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.””
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22-24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

It says all flesh shall come to worship before me and then says they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of men who who have transgressed against Me. And then says they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.

I am a little confused because he says all flesh come to worship and but then says there will be corpses of men who have transgressed and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.

Is looks to be saying all flesh will be made to worship God at first but then looks to say otherwise after.

Please let me know on this when possible

Thank you,

Michael

Victor Hafichuk
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Re: Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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A time for death and a time for resurrection from the dead; a time for casting off and a time for reconciling.

When your life is resurrected, you can rely on the Lord to give you answers as they're needed. First things first.

Michael Condit
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Re: Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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If I am understanding your reply correctly it makes me very sad. But it makes sense. I feel as though I have been cast off and that I am dead. Truly I feel trapped in this body of sin. I honestly don't feel alive. I am miserable.

What do I do in the mean time until God is resurrected me? Will He in this life time?

I Guess all I can do is trust God. His will, will be done on earth as it is in heaven. I pray He saves me from this hell I am in. It is the only way to accurately describe the torment I feel. I need my mind purified, being double minded has become the worst thing I've ever experienced.

Scott Sandell
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Re: Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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Hi Michael,

What comes to my mind is to stop the sin you are involved in. I don't know what it is you are doing but Repentance is the starting point.

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/repentance.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When you stop sinning you will feel better. Put your foot down and stop. It is simple.

Scott

Michael Condit
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Re: Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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Probably a lot more than I know. But sexual sin( porn, lust, envy) is the overt sin that is in my actions because it comes from my unregenerate heart. how can I do that unless God causes me to do so? I've tried and tried to on my own but I fail every time. I am incapable of doing that in my own power. From what I understand from reading that and scripture is that God can produce that change in me. It is true, only God can make the change in me and make me right with Himself. I am incapable and a wretch until He does other wise.

This is a quote from the article on repentance.

"Repentance is impossible! There is not a human being on earth who is capable of repentance, and there has never been. Ever since Eve was deceived and Adam partook of the forbidden fruit with her, man was enslaved to do his own thing. He locked himself in a burglarproof vault, presuming to keep all the treasure thereof, and tossed away the key. His hope perished the day he disobeyed and stole himself from God. If God did not come and open that vault, man would perish. He has no way of changing himself or his lot.

Man is not only chained in any ability to redeem himself or to reverse his disobedience; he is also chained in that he believes, with a false hope, that he can save himself. Man has been clawing with his fingernails at the twelve-foot-thick solid steel walls of the vault, banging his head against them, and kicking and cursing at them. He has been trying to think of every possible way to escape, and all attempts have been utterly useless.

Man tries to come to terms with the Owner of the vault. He has bargained, reasoned, and argued with Him; begged, flattered, and screamed at the vault Owner. He has promised to be good, pretended to love, made sacrifices, guaranteed to pay all damages and to reward the Owner if the Owner would only listen to him, see it his way, and accommodate or entertain his thoughts and ideas. He says that locking himself in the vault was not his fault, that it was a mistake, and that he would never do it again if he were to have another opportunity. He also argues that if only the vault Owner would give him some help, or even only enough time, he would find his way out.

Repentance is a sheer gift of God, undeserved.

There comes a time when the prisoner must recognize that all is futile, that he, by his own fault, locked himself in, that the Owner really doesn’t need him for any of his supposed virtues, and that he has no power whatsoever to undo his predicament. He must come to the place where he relies strictly on the Owner’s judgment, good will, and mercy. He must recognize that the Owner is not obligated to him in any way, at any time, except as He would choose to obligate Himself. That is repentance."

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Re: Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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Hi Michael ~
When I red your last post here, something Victor shared at our 11-11-16 conference call in which he addressed several of the men who attended our meetings came to mind that I wanted to share with you.

Victor:
Several guys are having these struggles, whether it’s masturbation or whatever and, “oh yeah, I fell again,” “yeah well, I did this, and I fell again,” “and I did this, and I fell again,” “and I did this, and I fell again.” I’m thinking, “what is this?”

I asked the Lord to take over my life back in ’73. I couldn’t handle my sin. I couldn’t do it. I kept falling and finally the time came, I just got really serious. I got down on my knees with George Lynn and prayed and said, “Lord, take over my life, I can’t do it! You’ve got to do it, I know it’s all wrong but I can’t do it!”
He took all that away from me. I had to set myself to it. It wasn’t just a magic wand waving over me. I had to set myself to it.


I’m not taking credit but He gave me something. He gave some kind of faith, some kind of strength to now address those things that were plaguing me. I had to make the effort. In other words, I had to repent, not just confess. In fact, I wasn’t even confessing things. George Lynn didn’t ask me to confess anything but I knew I had those things and I’d been begging the Lord to take those things away. I knew they were wrong and I knew they needed to go and He took them away! But I had to set myself to it! I couldn’t just wait for Him to just, “Oh boy, wow! It’s gone! I feel great!” I couldn’t wait for that. And it didn’t happen that way.

It's also like a battle. You're fighting the fight of faith.
You let your hands down, you let your shield down, you let your weapon down, and the enemy's right there to get you. The enemy isn't going to stop. He'll keep at you until he gets the advantage and you have to keep fighting and keeping your guard up until the victory's there.


You can't stop fighting and say, "well, it's inevitable" or "well, I'll see if he's going to kill me now that I've put my sword and shield down and if he does, well then, he does."
There is no such thinking in the scriptures. There's no such instruction. There's no such testimony. Any time you do see people giving in or packing it in, they're wiped out. They're destroyed.


Lots of people have been helped here. They've had a good taste of things. Genuine, not just theoretical. But they keep going back, they keep going back to their sins, same old, same old. I grow weary of that, I really do. [END]

Michael, we all have had our battles...some still do. Something Martin and Victor said at a Sabbath meeting which always stays with me:

Martin: Struggling means you refuse to let go of your sin.
Victor: "Struggling" doesn't mean "I want to let go of my sin"; it means "I want to hang on to it."

The Lord sees our hearts and and if your heart is for Him, if you cry out to Him and set to doing what's right as Victor did, He will hear you and deliver you.

Thierry Bwuzure
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Re: Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

Post by Thierry Bwuzure »

Amen Terri!

Thank you for sharing.

I red this in the Scriptures while writing a reply in another topic from Michael.
I was not sure I should share it but after reading your reply, it's like a confirmation to me. It's an encouragement as well;

James 4: 7-10 NKJV
(7) Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
(8) Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
(9) Lament and mourn and weep!
Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
(10) Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Thank you Lord

Michael Condit
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Re: Question on Isaiah 66:22-24

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Thank you both very much. I see now. That was very helpful and that scripture is more true than ever in my life right now.

God's grace will empower me to fully repent and resist the temptation.

Thank you both again.

Michael

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