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A philosophy doesn’t need to mention God in order to qualify as a religion or to make a cult of its adherents. All that’s necessary to be a religious cult is for people to make an idol of something and to demonize those who don’t worship at their altar.
Veganism is the worship of animals based on the erroneous notion that when properly used for food, animals are being mistreated. Vegans consider themselves to be wiser and more righteous than the population at large and strongly condemn the authors and followers of the Scriptures, who give mankind wholesome and proven guidelines from God about the use of animals for food.
It was, after all, the land of milk and honey, not of tofu and sprouts, which God promised the children of Israel as their great blessing of inheritance.
Veganism is a most pernicious ideology and cult, because it comes directly against God and His sound wisdom with a self-righteous vehemence that would destroy everyone and everything – including their beloved animals – should they hold sway. This is the madness and contradiction of veganism.
This is not at all to say that mankind has been doing things right in the production of animal foods. Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFO’s) and the assembly-line approach to raising animals is an unmitigated disaster – for the animals, environment, workers, and consumers.
But because people do things the wrong way doesn’t mean the right way doesn’t exist. Thinking the answer to the CAFO abomination is ceasing to practice sound animal husbandry practices is like saying the answer to widespread prostitution and fornication is to forbid marriage between a man and woman. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater! (Read Regenerating Grasslands, follow the FB page: Regenerating Grassland, and watch this presentation on the subject: How to Green the World’s Deserts and Reverse Climate Change.)
This is not to say that anyone should be forced to eat meat or can’t freely choose what they will eat. Not everyone must get married, and the same freedom applies to one’s diet. But veganism is a militant philosophy that doesn’t allow for others’ freedom of choice, slyly working on people’s consciences by labeling them as murderers if they’re meat-eaters. That’s a damned lie and vile wickedness to boot.
Some vegans may protest that their religion wasn’t founded on the erroneous notion that using animals is exploitation. They may think it’s just a superior diet, but the record says differently on both counts. Veganism was founded on the doctrine that people should live without “exploiting animals” and pledges seeking an end to the human use of animals, period. And many of those who think veganism is the path to superior health sadly find out otherwise. No culture in the history of mankind has been sustained on a vegan diet.
As for those who think eating animal products lowers their “vibrations,” they haven’t considered that plants are actually lower life forms than animals. Therefore, if one is seeking “higher vibrations,” one should eat animals, rather than plants.
Jesus Christ, Who as a man among us ate meat, summed it up succinctly, “Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man” (Matthew 15:11 MKJV). The truth of His words is perfectly demonstrated by our vegan correspondent. God is always vindicated.
In response to our Harvest Haven bulletin announcing fresh chicken available, Anita wrote:
Could you please remove me from your email list as I dont believe we have a right to kill sentient beings just to eat them. They have a right to life just as much as you or I & should never be profited from. Think about it. Go Vegan.
Sent from my iPhone
Mark Benson’s reply:
My name is Mark – I am the farm manager at Harvest Haven. How do you define “sentient beings”? In the research described in the book, The Secret Life of Plants, by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, it was proven that plants have sentience. Plants reacted with strong electrical signals that can only be interpreted as an emotional response, nearly overwhelming the polygraph machine when sensing plants being harvested in the room next to them.
The plants responded with an entirely different reaction when given loving attention and care. The plants were even able to reliably determine whether a person was telling the truth or a lie, with a much higher rate of accuracy than a standard polygraph test! You consume sentient beings when you eat plants; you just aren’t aware of it.
There was other research recently featured on The Nature of Things with David Suzuki, which shows that coniferous trees discriminate their daughter trees propagated from seed from other unrelated trees of the same species in close root zone proximity, sharing nutrients only with their daughter plants through a network of fungal hyphae (there is no common root system with a daughter tree born from seed).
This not only proves the consciousness of trees and capacity for a type of altruism, but proves that a tree can communicate with, and dictate specific actions to, other living beings. It is likely you live in a house made of wood and read books printed on the harvested tissue of a once conscious organism.
This is not to even begin to discuss the utter dependence our physical bodies have on the life and death of microbiology, which is also being discovered to be conscious or sentient at a level we hadn’t previously imagined. All of creation carries “sentience” because it is all part of our ultimately Sentient Creator’s work.
We receive life and benefit from the death of other sentient living things. It is how we as humans live and how nature functions. The best we can do is care for our animals, as well as the plants that we raise, and harvest them responsibly, which we do. To criticize us for this is ignorant and may veer into self-righteous hypocrisy.
Many vegans have come to us with their health in tatters searching for clean and ethical meat in order to restore their health and energy, and have been 100% successful in this strategy. Few people are able to remain healthy as vegans, while many profit greatly by the nutrition available through clean animal protein. While I would expect you to contest this idea, I have witnessed this many times and experienced it myself. I think you need to “think about this” and become more knowledgeable and understanding.
Victor Hafichuk, owner of Harvest Haven, wrote:
Thank you for your email. You wrote:
“I dont believe we have a right to kill sentient beings just to eat them. They have a right to life just as much as you or I & should never be profited from. Think about it. Go Vegan.”
Not only have we thought of it, we have prayed, studied, and talked among ourselves and with many others about it, covering both sides of the debate. We have reviewed these matters several times, not allowing ourselves to become complacent or to ignore any new relevant factors. It appears you haven’t nearly thought about it (not with all the facts) as have we.
While I don’t know all your thinking on veganism, Anita, I will ask you some questions (please don’t think I’m making assumptions so much as probing to know your convictions more fully and answer as best I can):
Are you aware that insects and other invertebrates are sentient beings? We know that bees and ants are very intelligent, living in cooperative communities and capable of things men only dream about. Are you careful not to step on ants, beetles, and slugs? Do you slap mosquitoes and swat flies?
Did you know that earthworms are highly useful for enriching garden soil? Aren’t they sentient beings? Do you grow your own food? If so, what do you do with earthworms? Do you carefully sift through your soil so as to not harm them with tools? You say we shouldn’t take the lives of sentient beings for profit. Aren’t you profiting by your garden if you grow your own food?
You may believe that while we may accidentally damage or kill sentient beings, we aren’t to eat them. We have plenty of argument backed with substance on the contrary for you here today, if you’ll patiently bear with us.
Is everyone able to garden? If not, someone else will have the responsibility of producing food on a larger scale for others. How will they accomplish that task? Are you well-informed about farming and soil husbandry?
Are you entirely organic or is much of what you eat conventional fare? You should know that conventional agriculture uses herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, and artificial fertilizers (not animal fertilizers derived from animals in many cases, but stuff like anhydrous ammonia, for example). The result is the destruction of absolutely necessary microorganisms (more sentient beings, I assure you), insects, birds, and animals.
Furthermore, by chemically destroying “weeds,” the entire environment suffers horrifically. Vegetation suffers, which in turn causes everything else to suffer. We humans suffer because of such wanton, irresponsible practices. Our food, water, and air are polluted. Everything suffers, and in the long run, food production isn’t sustainable.
As a vegan, do you limit yourself in every respect for consistency? Is there any doubt that if you were to consider all your purchases and lifestyle, you may discover that you offend sentient life on many levels, grievously so? You may not wear leather, but the production of almost everything in existence on the market today has had its negative impact on the environment, which adversely affects all living things.
Take your iPhone for example, likely a heavyweight culprit that should make any vegan blush for shame of hypocrisy or ignorance, once enlightened. The production of such technology is directly devastating to those producing the raw materials, as in the Congo and China, as well as to those in the rest of the manufacturing process. Add to that the EMF radiation emanating from cell phones and their towers everywhere.
Do you drive a car or use public transportation? Aren’t you aware of the devastating impact of the oil industry on the environment? The BP oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
Are you aware that many products sold today are produced by child slave labor? You’ve at least heard of it. Are chickens more important than human children?
Are you “pro-choice”? Do you believe in abortion? There can be no doubt whatsoever that a fetus is a sentient being. It’s been proven, without much difficulty or debate. Would you like the proof? Read Unborn Babies Can Feel Pain.
(Again, I’m not assuming anything, Anita; just asking and calling you to “think about it.”)
Finally, I ask you: Are you and your colleagues wiser than Moses, the prophets of the Scriptures, and Jesus Christ, of Whom the entire Bible, the greatest compilation of wisdom every recorded, testifies? Has anyone impacted the world for good like they have? None that I know of. The Bible is full of meat, egg, dairy, and honey consumption, as well as using edible animals for their labor (oxen) and their manure to grow things.
As many know, men have taken the Scriptures and the Lord’s Name and done everything you can imagine in their perverse distortions of what Jesus Christ did and taught (just as they’ve done with everything good, like food). If you were to take Jesus Christ’s teachings at face value, however, you would have to admit that all the heroes in the history of the world put together don’t hold a candle to the Light of men, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and His impact for good on humanity. Even men like Napoleon have said so.
And Jesus laid down His life, backing up His words with His life, unlike the world’s heroes, who took the lives of others in order to impose their convictions on them…
…like you now do with us, Anita, if you think about it, with your cessation of ties with us, because of your self-righteous convictions.
Are you greater in word and deed and wisdom than Jesus Christ? Lay down your life for us and raise it up again, as He did for you and me, and we’ll talk.
Jesus ate meat, as did His disciples. He directed His fisherman disciples to cast a net to catch bountiful quantities of fish (sentient beings):
John 21:3-6 MKJV
(3) Simon Peter said to them, “I am going out to fish.” They said to him, “We will go with you also.” They went out and entered into a boat immediately. And that night they caught nothing.
(4) But when the morning had come, Jesus stood on the shore. But the disciples did not know that it was Jesus.
(5) Then Jesus said to them, “Children, do you have anything to eat?” They answered Him, “No.”
(6) And He said to them, “Cast the net on the right side of the boat and you will find.” Therefore they cast, and now they no longer had the strength to draw, from the multitude of fish.
And the fish were to go where? To be released in other parts of the Sea of Galilee? To fish tanks and pools as pets? Or were they destined to be eaten (Luke 5:3-9)? He even fed the multitudes with fish, twice (Matthew 14:15-20; 15:32-37).
Jesus prepared fish for others to eat, and He ate with them:
“And while they still did not believe for joy, and wondered, He said to them, ‘Have you any food here?’ And they handed to Him a piece of a broiled fish and of a honeycomb. And He took it and ate before them” (Luke 24:41-43; also read John 21:9-14 MKJV).
Anita, shall we take His Word and respect His wisdom and example in all He said and did, or shall we take the word of vegans and consider you to be the wiser ones? Do you need to do more thinking on this matter? (I ask this seriously, not facetiously.)
About three weeks later, Anita responded:
Am I greater than Jesus Christ, am I prepared to lay down my life for you so we can talk, really? Is that the only way I have any merit? How do you explain that “logic”? The same way my cutting my front lawn is the equivalent of you cutting of a chicken’s head? Admit it, you didn’t really think that one through did you Victor?
No, I do not think I am greater than Jesus, but apparently you do. Since you decide who, what, when & where someone dies. I am Vegan because I do not think I am better than someone else. I am Vegan for ethical & compassionate reasons. Does that mean I accidentally step on an ant, of course, but that does not negate you from killing animals for human comsumption, far from it. Veganism isn’t about perfection, it is a lifestyle according to a set of values & principles where we try to do the least harm possible. Why would that offend you? What is it about that, that makes you wrongly assume that I think I am better than someone else?
It is interesting how you prayed about, talked about etc., and still came up with the conclusion that it is ok to kill selfless, innocent beings that want to live. And all your quotes from the bible (which incidentally was written by ordinary men to protect their self interest) & is subject to misinterpretation. Let me guess you guys also believe in talking snakes right? If you really believe in the bible why not honor the commandment “Thou shall not Kill”, it’s laughable how you were able to come up with all these other quotes but somehow left that one out. But that commandment only applies to people right?
Again, who thinks they are better, me or you? I happen to believe thou shall not kill means exactly that & applies to all living beings. You tell yourself this and attack people such as myself because it eases your conscience. I challenge you to look into the eyes of the animal you are about to kill & watch it pleading for life. You know the look I’m talking about right? Those animals fight for their life to their last breath just like you or I would if someone was about to kill us.
Mark, I am doubtful that you come across Vegans with their health in tatters. I would doubt you’ve hardly come across many Vegans at all. There are not many in this region, the ones the are I likely know. In fact I know hundreds of Vegans & have a couple thousand Vegan friends on Facebook, and guess what? They are extremely healthy. Sure there are unhealthy Vegan as such things like Vegan junk food exist & if one were to eat only that of course they would be unhealthy.
Go to any hospital to the cardiac & cancer wards & you would be hardpressed to find Vegans there. I know, this is what I spend my time on educating myself & others. It is definitely becoming mainstream & there is a growing undercurrent of them right here in southern Alberta. The thing with most Vegans is when they realize what a sham the meat & dairy industry is, they become very vocal about it and become threats to small operations such as yours. We understand this, however we are not apologetic. The meat & dairy industry is not only cruel it is the leading cause of heart, stroke, obesity & cancer in people, read The China Study or watch Forks over Knives. And more environmentally damaging than all the modes of transportation on the planet.
Simply put the planet cannot sustain a meat eating diet due to its incredible drain of resources such as areable land, water, air pollution etc. to a growing population of 7+ Billion people. Recent events in the media re: E.coli will not go away they will only get worse & do more harm to the industry. People will become more afraid to eat meat & all the while become more educated on why they should not. In fact, the founders of Amazon.com considered to be trendsetters and on the forefront of being able to recognize business which will be very lucrative have recently announced that they purchased huge amounts of stock in Beyond Meat a company that produces meat like food so close to the real thing it is difficult to tell the difference produced from wheat & soy protein without the harmful effects to their health & environment. And as people become more aware to the cruelty animals are subjected to they longer want to participate in that as well. Lets face it no matter how well an animal is raised their still is no such thing as humane slaughter.
Also Mark what you are referring to in your email is photosythesis. Plants require a central nervous system to feel pain. And you say I should become more knowledge & understanding. Really? You think you know more about Veganism than someone who has dedicated their life to it? And understanding, I will never understand how you can kill & chop up an innocent being that wanted to live, never!
In conclusion, all I did was ask you to remove me from your email list since I no longer care to receive emails about animals you are killing. If that offends you, ask yourself why? For you to attack my character, throw the bible at me, assume I’m dumb says so much about the type of people you are. I have shared your emails with many people & the response is always the same. Big fail!
My delay in response is simple, I was not planning to respond, however for what it’s worth I felt I at least owed it to the animals.
Paul Cohen’s reply:
“Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen” (Romans 1:25 KJV).
I can explain the things you didn’t understand in Victor’s letter, demonstrating that other readers of this correspondence don’t have the same problem you have in comprehending the plain meaning of his words. The problem is on your end, and it isn’t because of mental deficiency. You’re simply too proud and rigid to listen to anything that challenges your dogma.
Starting at the beginning of your letter:
“Am I greater than Jesus Christ, am I prepared to lay down my life for you so we can talk, really? Is that the only way I have any merit? How do you explain that ‘logic’?”
Very easily explained, actually. Victor wasn’t requiring you to be greater than Jesus Christ in order to talk – he was pointing out that the position you’ve staked out for yourself makes you right (greater) and Him wrong (lesser). Your philosophy and speech condemns Jesus’ teachings and ways. So all you were being asked was if you really believe you know better than the One Who laid down His life for you, a rhetorical question.
Continuing with your ill-informed complaints about logic, you write:
“The same way my cutting my front lawn is the equivalent of you cutting of a chicken’s head? Admit it, you didn’t really think that one through did you Victor?”
Victor didn’t say anything remotely like that. Not only are you the illogical one, but you’re totally irresponsible in reading and answering. You were asked the following question about chickens, however: “Are chickens more important than human children?” That question, along with dozens of others, you’ve ignored, instead straining at gnats that don’t exist, produced by your fouled (“fowled”?) and prejudiced mind.
In his letter, Mark talks about the consciousness of plants, which you’ve neither disputed nor disproved. However, he didn’t draw equivalency between all life forms. That’s what you’ve done, by treating animals as if they’re human beings. If animals are on the same level as humans, why do you treat insects and plants, other sentient life-forms, as less important than farm animals? But you won’t acknowledge questions and realities that puncture your self-serving, self-glorifying fantasy.
That makes you a hypocrite, plain and simple, Anita. This will be proven again and again.
You go on:
“No, I do not think I am greater than Jesus, but apparently you do. Since you decide who, what, when & where someone dies.”
You speak of a cow as “someone,” but a cow isn’t a person, or a god, as ignorant Hindus believe and behave. To worship a cow is not only ignorant and foolish, it’s wicked (Romans 1:25).
Your preeminent idols from the animal kingdom are dogs, which, along with their relatives, wolves and coyotes, will kill domesticated farm animals. How is it you worship that which so flagrantly and easily disobeys your edict of not killing any living creature? Why aren’t you condemning dogs (and all predatory animals), as you’ve done with us? Because you’re a befuddled hypocrite who only seeks to please herself in whatever she chooses, truth be damned.
“Veganism isn’t about perfection, it is a lifestyle according to a set of values & principles where we try to do the least harm possible. Why would that offend you? What is it about that, that makes you wrongly assume that I think I am better than someone else?”
Who said they were offended that you were a vegan? This is another of your non-existent gnats, Anita. You came to Harvest Haven with your email removal request, offended by their production of poultry and meats. You judged and condemned them for what they do, and when they answered, calling into question your judgment with truthful facts, you became more offended still. This is another example of your hypocrisy and blindness.
You haughtily walk away from people because you wrongly condemn what they’re doing, and then get indignant at your own suggestion that they consider themselves better than you? How terrible to live with your head in a swarm of gnats! No wonder you’re so confused.
“It is interesting how you prayed about, talked about etc., and still came up with the conclusion that it is ok to kill selfless, innocent beings that want to live. And all your quotes from the bible (which incidentally was written by ordinary men to protect their self interest) & is subject to misinterpretation.”
Again, cows and chickens aren’t people (or gods). They aren’t torn out of their homes like the Jews in Europe were, and sent to death camps. They don’t have aspirations or purposes beyond helping human beings and the land given by God to mankind to manage. They don’t plan, sow, till, plant, speak, read, educate, invent, research, develop arts and sciences, get dressed, pray, bless, or worship.
They can’t and don’t do many things humans do, the kinds of things that give humans the advantage and rulership. They don’t have a moral code of ethics, whether honored or dishonored by men. Send your letter to them and see how much they’ll appreciate it. But species are all the same to you. Foolish woman!
The animals at Harvest Haven live good lives, given everything they need to thrive, and die good deaths, much better than being left out on their own to be decimated by the elements and eaten by coyotes. And so much better than being in factory farms, which you, in your wickedness, don’t distinguish at all from the vastly different environment at a farm like Harvest Haven.
How shortsighted and confounded are you, thinking you’re helping farm animals by condemning those who exemplify and teach the right way to raise livestock for food! Your broad brush of condemnation ensures that ignorant consumers will remain in the dark about the option and necessity of supporting humane and sustainable farming practices.
Instead of saving animals from the brutality of factory farms, you perpetuate their torture by allowing for no option except veganism. You utterly fail in your mission of “least harm possible.” You’re the cruel one in selfish idolatry, formed as a brutal savage by your pride, a hypocrite through and through.
“Let me guess you guys also believe in talking snakes right?”
We don’t believe in them; we simply know they exist. We’ve been talking to one right here, just like the Lord spoke to them in His day. “You poisonous snakes! How can you evil people say anything good? Your mouth says what comes from inside you” (Matthew 12:34 GW).
Read The Origin and Identity of Satan and see how foolish your speculation is of what we believe, lumping us in with all the false like yourself. It is only more of your ignorance, arrogance, and presumption.
You go on with your ill sense of humor:
“If you really believe in the bible why not honor the commandment ‘Thou shall not Kill’, it’s laughable how you were able to come up with all these other quotes but somehow left that one out. But that commandment only applies to people right?”
That’s right – the commandment of God speaks of murdering your fellow human. “Whoever sheds man’s blood, his blood shall be shed by man; for He made man in the image of God” (Genesis 9:6 MKJV). A chicken isn’t made in God’s image, despite what you insist on believing in your gross darkness.
Furthermore, regarding God’s commandment not to murder your fellow human being, it’s also written: “Whoever hates his brother is a murderer” (1 John 3:15 HNV). That’s you, Anita.
The Scriptures also say there’s a time to kill:
“To every thing there is a season, and a time for every purpose under the heavens: a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pull up what is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal…” (Ecclesiastes 3:1-3 MKJV).
We aren’t advocating wanton killing or cruelty to animals, but identify wrongful application of God’s commandment here.
“Again, who thinks they are better, me or you? I happen to believe thou shall not kill means exactly that & applies to all living beings.”
So what does it matter what you happen to believe? You believe wrong, in all haughtiness coming against the whole testimony of God, as given in His Commandments and Scriptures. You’ve already been shown how you’re wrong according to the Scriptures provided for you in these letters, but you dismiss whatever isn’t convenient to your cherished error and false gods. In doing so, you put yourself above God and man, yet continue to insinuate and complain that Victor thinks he’s better. This is more hardcore hypocrisy.
You acknowledge the authority of the Bible in saying you seek to honor God’s commandment about not killing. How about reading and acknowledging the rest of it, all of which testifies of Jesus Christ, Who ate meat? How about receiving instruction in the Holy Scriptures, instead of contradicting yourself?
You say men wrote the Bible to protect their self-interests. So why do you “happen to believe” at all what they say is true, even if according to your limited knowledge and foolish interpretations? How contradictory you are, Anita! Will you prosper in your wickedness? No, the Bible says you perish.
“You tell yourself this and attack people such as myself because it eases your conscience.”
Victor tells himself what? You’re not clear or coherent. And how were you being attacked? You attacked and were kindly entreated, being asked questions to reconsider your ignorant and contradictory positions by means of fact and truth. Your accusation of attack is an attack on top of an attack and, once again, exposes you as a liar and hypocrite.
“I challenge you to look into the eyes of the animal you are about to kill & watch it pleading for life. You know the look I’m talking about right? Those animals fight for their life to their last breath just like you or I would if someone was about to kill us.”
What do you think they’re doing at Harvest Haven, strangling their livestock? You really are ignorant of farming and humane killing practices (and so many things you talk about as if you know something when you don’t). The animals don’t suffer mentally or physically. Your idolatry has enflamed your imaginations and passions, and your pride has made of you an irrational rabid dog with vicious growls, bared teeth, and froth.
In your letter to Mark, you even exult in cutting your own throat by sabotaging your presumed mission in life to save animals:
“The thing with most Vegans is when they realize what a sham the meat & dairy industry is, they become very vocal about it and become threats to small operations such as yours.”
We don’t condemn vegans for their choice of food, but we expose foolish contradictions such as this. And while we don’t condemn you for not eating animal products, you have certainly condemned us for eating them. On top of that, you condemn us for defending what we do and exposing your fallacies, accusing us of condemnation. There’s your hypocrisy again, writ large.
“Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand” (Romans 14:3-4 ESV).
We’re upheld because the Lord Jesus Christ has made us to stand, and you’ve judged us unrighteously because you hate Him. Yes, you, the one who sanctimoniously proclaims herself obedient to the commandment, “You shall not kill,” are His murderer. You manifestly have no use for anything He says or does; you only wish to worship yourself in whatever pleases you. Taking His words in your mouth when they’re convenient to justify your pleasure is spiritual whoredom and adultery.
“Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eats, and wipes her mouth, and says, ‘I have done no evil’” (Proverbs 30:20 MKJV).
Here’s also what God says of you:
Romans 1:21-32 MKJV
(21) Because, knowing God, they did not glorify Him as God, neither were thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(22) Professing to be wise, they became fools
(23) and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man, and birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things.
(24) Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves.
(25) For they changed the truth of God into a lie, and they worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, Who is blessed forever. Amen.
(26) For this cause, God gave them up to dishonorable affections. For even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
(27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; males with males working out shamefulness, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.
(28) And even as they did not think fit to have God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do the things not right,
(29) being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; being full of envy, murder, quarrels, deceit, evil habits, becoming whisperers,
(30) backbiters, haters of God, insolent, proud, braggarts, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(31) undiscerning, perfidious, without natural affection, unforgiving, unmerciful;
(32) who, knowing the righteous order of God, that those practicing such things are worthy of death, not only do them, but have pleasure in those practicing them.
“Therefore you are without excuse, O man, everyone who judges; for in that in which you judge another, you condemn yourself, for you who judge do the same things” (Romans 2:1 MKJV).
In other words, Anita, you’re a hypocrite.
By all means, share this letter with your vegan friends, the ones who claimed, “Big fail!” We certainly intend to publish it for all to hear the truth. It won’t be limited to only those agreeable to your philosophical and idolatrous contradictions and madness.
Here’s a note written by a friend, when asked about his thoughts on Anita’s correspondence. Anita wasn’t interested in truth, so we didn’t send this to her, but we make it available for all now:
Veganism is not a realistic or sustainable ideal.
If you follow veganism through to its logical end, we would spiral towards an ecological wasteland.
First, everyone would have to embrace organic agriculture, because chemical agriculture harms wildlife both directly and indirectly. This seems like a step in the right direction, but a major problem appears. Where does a vegan source fertility for their growing crops?
Plant-sourced protein requires tillage and depletes the soil. The tillage oxygenates the soil, which destabilizes soil microbiology while burning off organic matter. The plant itself will also be taking part of its mass from the soil, in the form of minerals and other micro-nutrients. (In some areas of the U.S., eight feet of topsoil have been sold off as grain. Obviously, crop rotation or other farming strategies can be used to mitigate these types of losses, but it will only slow down the loss.)
In order to sustain the fields there has to be a fertility input. Traditionally, this was composted manure (and has been the tried-and-true wisdom for thousands of years), but due to veganism this would no longer be available. We would have to somehow harvest vegetation like grass and compost it. This would be very difficult without livestock ingesting it and inoculating it with microbiology (a very necessary factor in the equation), and very expensive if there were no fattened animals to sell when the composting process was over.
Also, composting the straw from your grain crop, without feeding it to a cow or mixing it with its manure, can take many years. We would have mountains of straw everywhere. Without a market for straw, grain farmers would have to drive up the cost of grain. This is just the beginning of the agricultural chaos that would ensue.
There would be no animals on the farm to make good use of spoiling produce resulting in even more inefficiency. The soil would continue to deplete until erosion, crop failures, and food shortages became common.
Protein from pastured animals, on the other hand, returns fertility to the soil. A properly managed grassland pasture sequesters more carbon than even the most vibrant forest. Grass is perennial, requiring no tillage, and is constantly converting carbon dioxide into plant tissue. When the grazing animal eats the grass, composts it in its rumen, and returns it to the earth, that carbon is bound to the soil. Grazing animals restore life in the soil by adding carbon and other trace nutrients and microbiology. They are the balance to the damage caused by annual vegetation and the tillage it requires. Both plants and animals are required for balanced, sustainable, efficient agriculture. This has been no secret for ages.
It is also important to understand the difference between the good of the chicken and the life of a chicken. A vegan may think that eating a chicken is profiting from its life, but chickens as a whole are also profiting. We provide for their needs. We give them shelter and food and safety from predators. They are profiting from us. Besides, are the vegans going to volunteer to keep every heritage breed of chicken as pets receiving nothing in return? If everyone stops eating chickens, they will go extinct. They are perpetuated by their eventual consumption.
There is not a single natural ecosystem that does not require death and consumption on some level. That is order. Should we intervene when wolves murder an innocent deer for their benefit? I should think not. They need to eat, too. In exchange for this loss the herd is corralled and herded towards new pastures by predatory pressure. They would otherwise soon overgraze their surroundings causing starvation and damage to that ecosystem. There is always a healthy balance.
Death is not the problem. Imbalance is. Veganism causes imbalance.
For more on doing things right:
We must evaluate all things, returning to our foundations in all of the physical, mental, and spiritual. We must exercise proper agricultural and environmental principles. Consider that 2 Chronicles 7:14 clearly expresses truths of going back to basics, which are able to restore one spiritually, if taken to heart, no matter what one’s lot may be.
There are many good reasons to eat organic versus conventional produce and foodstuffs. Organic foods are more flavorful and nutritious. By choosing these, you and your family will avoid foods laden with chemicals, known carcinogens and artificial stimulants. At the same time, you will be supporting farmers who try to do things right, for your benefit and that of the environment, which ultimately supports all life.
Update in the World of Veganism:
Alexandra Jamieson, a militant vegan for 13 years, has confessed she couldn’t live a healthy life without meat and eggs. Her hormonal balance was a mess, and she had to do something about it.
She was viciously attacked by “loving” vegans who claim they have no right to hurt sentient beings. Go figure. Hear Alexandra’s story and realize the contradiction of zealous idolaters set on a path of error and grossly erroneous conclusions:
See Alexandra’s website: I’m Not Vegan Anymore.
And a testimonial on the Raw Milk Institute website:
I was a strict vegan for about four or five years in my mid 20s. My choice to become vegan was initially based on my concerns about animal welfare, but I soon became an advocate of a vegan diet for ‘health’ reasons as well. I really did believe that a diet containing animal foods – any amount – was unhealthy. I believed this so totally that even when I began to lose the good health I’d long enjoyed, it took me a long time to see that it was my vegan diet that was making me sick.
After going through my teenage years with barely one pimple, at the end of my vegan years I had acne.
I also developed a chronic and painful bladder condition, diagnosed unofficially as Interstitial Cystitis (unofficially because official diagnosis involves an in-hospital procedure). I was told this was an incurable disease that would almost certainly get worse through my life. I was in despair. I was so uncomfortable 24 hours a day, seven days a week. At the age of 26, the thought that this discomfort would be with me through my entire life, and would increase and could lead to bladder removal, was unspeakably depressing, and terrifying.
I was also severely anemic. After having my iron levels tested, my doctor wondered how I ever got up in the morning.
My legs were covered with enormous and colorful bruises that appeared for no apparent reason.
Worst of all, I was tired all the time. It was hard to do anything. I could feel something was wrong. I just didn’t know what it could possibly be, since I was vegan, and surely had the healthiest diet a person could have. Didn’t I??????
By the grace of God I found out about ‘real food’ one March day in 2010. Reading about raw milk, pasteured meats and eggs, and the importance of fat, among other things, amazingly something clicked in my long-vegan (and no doubt B-12 deprived) brain, and I just knew what I was reading was the truth. And, slowly, I began to change my diet…
A lot changed – my whole diet changed, in fact. But I always felt that the introduction of organic, raw, whole milk from pasture-fed cows was the key to the complete revolution in my health that occurred over the following couple of years. I live in California and did drink a fair bit of Organic Pastures milk.
The acne disappeared (and my skin has a smoothness and a glow it hadn’t had for many years). The Interstitial Cystitis, and the many, many bladder infections I used to be plagued with, also disappeared. I have not had a single bladder infection since beginning to drink raw milk and eat real food nearly two years ago, while previously I was plagued with at least a few a year. My iron levels normalized, and are now high and healthy. The mysterious bruises went away, and never came back. I also put on weight – fat and muscle that I desperately needed. I am now my perfect weight, and it rarely changes. My weight has never been so stable. It’s wonderful to have a stable weight… I feel like it’s a clear sign that my body is in incredible balance.
And I have energy…. a lot of energy! So much energy that sometimes I just have to run from one room to another! And I am so, so happy!! A kind of happy that is not shaken by anything that happens on the outside. Towards the very end of my vegan days, in those final horrible months, I had started to have panic attacks. Anyone who has had one knows how awful they are, how terrifying, and how much they affect one’s general happiness and confidence. Now, fortified with amazing nutrition, including that from raw whole milk, it is hard for me to believe my body and mind were ever so starved and weak that I was having panic attacks… It is truly a miracle how my body and health have changed. I am grateful EVERY SINGLE DAY for what I know about food, and for the access that I have in California to Organic Pastures milk. I just wouldn’t be where I am or who I am today without it. (SB)
English – Spanish – Chinese 我們收到了這封信： 維克多， 我的名字是丹尼爾，我也曾與菲利普會面並一起工作過。我正在閱讀你和保羅的電子郵件，我注意到您在哪裡說：「我知道，在『基督教』世界裡，有很多不好的文學作品，教導謊言，例如，那些沒有得救的人永受折磨教義。從未有過比這更醜陋的謊言。這是對上帝的本性和品格的誹謗。」您是在說您不相信地獄或永恆的詛咒嗎？我不明白您在說什麼。此外，在您給菲利普的電子郵件中，我注意到一種沮喪的語氣，幾乎到了責罵的程度。您認為這種語氣是一種愛和關懷，是對菲利普的造就和鼓勵嗎？ 丹尼爾 我們憑信心而活，而不是憑眼見。 維克多和保羅的回覆： 嗨丹尼爾， 你來信的結尾 (「我們憑信心而活，而不是憑眼見」) 本質上就是我們告訴菲利普的。你認不出來嗎？我認為你發送該聲明是我們給他的信的結果。我可能是錯的，但如果是對的，諷刺的是你會把它發給我們。 我認為你相信一個永恆的、折磨人的地獄。雖然聖經清楚地表明地獄的存在，但不是在大多數新教或天主教圈子中所宣揚的地獄。大多數人發現或將發現自己身處的地獄是一種黑暗和晦澀的狀態，是死者的地方，他們「一無所知」(儘管他們可能認為自己知道)。他們在屬靈上對上帝是無意識的。 當然，在黑暗中，與上帝的靈隔絕，那裡有無知、懼怕、缺乏理解、拜偶像和束縛，更不用說折磨。但是在來世是否有字面的、身體上的懲罰之火？沒有。地獄會永遠存在嗎？不 (啟示錄 20:14)。有沒有像詹姆士王欽定版翻譯的那樣「永遠的詛咒，」即與上帝「永永遠遠」的隔絕？沒有。閱讀“永遠”、“永久”、和“地獄”的真正聖經含義。 只有上帝是不朽的，以及那些祂授予的人。永恆的詛咒和折磨是邪惡、異教思想的編造，試圖向人們灌輸恐懼，以控制他們。天主教會，從君士坦丁開始，使用這種可怕的教義，而新教徒繼續利用使用它。上帝不會通過恐懼來獲勝。 如果你看一下希伯來語和希臘語翻譯成英語的「地獄」和「永遠」這兩個詞，它們沒有提到一個沒有盡頭的狀態。關於這些問題，我有很多文章可以發給你。目前，閱讀我們《萬物的復興》的部分，你還可以閱讀惡魔般的教義；你應該特別閱讀永無止境的折磨。 你可能想(或不想) 閱讀的另一篇文章是：邪教的真實標記，並考慮你的立場。 丹尼爾，我懷疑當你幾乎還沒有觸及我們的著作時，你不會同意它們，但它們是真實的、符合聖經的、由上帝教導的，那些不同意這些教義的人不是上帝派來傳教的。他們是出於自己的公義和假定而宣講的，對他們聲稱代表的唯一的那個是一無所知。 判斷了我對菲利普說話的語氣後，你問：「您認為這種語氣是一種愛和關懷，是對菲利普的造就和鼓勵嗎？」對於這個問題，我的回答：「是的，」我很清楚你不會那樣理解上帝的愛。就在今天，我 (部分)寫信給另一個人： 「事實上，人將他人吸引到上帝面前的行為恰好是敵基督靈的一個顯著特徵。人假設他們在基督裡的，認為他們可以通過『在他們裡面的光』來『愛』人歸神，因此，他們以『能力作見證。』事實是，他們以他們的愛作證歸給自己，同時在宣告祂的名。舊約或新約都沒有記載聖徒通過愛他們贏得任何人到上帝面前…無處，甚至是與耶穌。這就是敵基督的靈。」 你可以閱讀的有關該主題的文章有： 虛假宗教人士喜愛那憎恨(拒絕)上帝 上帝只說出柔和的話語嗎？ 竭力維護從前一次就全交給了聖徒的信仰， 維克多 丹尼爾，我是保羅。 我想補充一點。 有趣的是你在同一封信中詢問關於地獄和愛。我們經常發現那些指責我們沒有愛心的人，他們相信並宣揚全能和愛的化身的上帝，祂創造了...
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