We received this letter from an ex-customer of Harvest Haven Health:
I have recently read an article about the so-called “Muslim Incident.” [See Harvest Haven Herald Issue 12.] I now regret every dollar I have ever spent in your store. I am shocked and horrified that you can not only believe such lies, but actually spread such inflammatory words about a whole religion. If you truly want freedom in your beliefs you need to accept that others need to have freedom in their beliefs as well. It is unfortunate that you are judging a whole religion based on the extremist views of a few. That would be like people judging all Christians on the acts of a few fundamentalists who committed acts of violence (Oklahoma city bombings come to mind). Picking and choosing a few verses of the Koran is the same as using only a few lines of the Bible to justify beliefs. Understanding the book (either book) as a whole and seeing the context in which these events are recorded gives a much different view.
I am not Muslim, but I will not support any business that makes such inflammatory remarks against any group of people based on their beliefs. I value freedom of religion and respect for ALL people. It is not my place to judge others, and if you truly believe in the words of Jesus you would know that it isn’t yours either. I will spend my money elsewhere.
Laurie, you say you value “freedom of religion and respect for ALL people.” How is it that you deny us what you falsely claim we deny others? That is hypocrisy. You are welcome to not come to our store, but how can you live with yourself when you do the very thing you say you cannot abide in others, and for which reason you part ways? What now? Will you starve yourself to death because you cannot keep company with yourself? Or will you continue in the stance of a hypocrite, condemning yourself by unjustly condemning others? Has no one else confronted you on your sins and told you there is a third, and better, way? That way would be to humble yourself, admit you are wrong, apologize for speaking out of turn, and cease from being a hypocrite.
At Harvest Haven we do not discriminate against any. We have Muslim customers, for example, whom we serve the same as anyone else because we love them the same as we do everyone else. To say we deny others freedom of belief is a bald-faced, easily disproven lie. You are nothing more than a self-righteous slanderer with an irresponsible mouth. Don’t you know you should have actual facts before you go about judging and condemning others? Isn’t that what you were taught in your civic classes about how your country’s court system works?
Who are you to talk to us about respect of all people? We not only respect all people (strictly by the grace of God), but all of life. That is why we farm organically. That is why we tell people the truth about food, that they might stop supporting the poisoning of the earth and inhumane treatment of animals, ultimately destroying themselves in the process. This is called “loving your neighbor.”
By God’s mercy and His gift of faith through Jesus Christ, we also speak the truth to others who are killing themselves no less with spiritual poison and lies from hell. Islam is one of the greatest lies out there, deceiving and killing multitudes, a great scourge on humanity, including and particularly on those who practice it. Just where have you been hiding all this time that you are not aware of this?
You bluff, as if you know what you are talking about:
“Picking and choosing a few verses of the Koran is the same as using only a few lines of the Bible to justify beliefs. Understanding the book (either book) as a whole and seeing the context in which these events are recorded gives a much different view.”
Have you actually red the Koran? We have. Read our paper, The Answer to Islam, which is based on foundational teachings taught in the Koran, giving more than a few quotes. Answer the questions in the writing with substance to prove the Koran says otherwise than what it plainly says. Tell us specifically where we err, and show us your evidence to support your claims. There is no excuse for you to argue without providing any evidence to disprove that which we have already proven by giving ample and readily accessible evidence.
It would also do you well to read the rest of the writings in our Islam section, which cover other objections and arguments you could possibly bring up. However, we expect you will not bother to answer or bring anything up at all because your bluff has been called and you had nothing in hand to begin with. You and your empty rhetoric are exposed, devoid of fact and reality.
For example, you call those who blew up the federal buildings in Oklahoma, “Christian fundamentalists.” That is totally false. There is no record that the main perpetrator, Timothy McVeigh, ever came close to professing Jesus Christ as Lord, not once. He quoted the poem “Invictus” as his last public act before his execution, which begins: “I thank whatever gods may be/ for my unconquerable soul,” and ends “I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.” Nothing at all like the Muslim terrorists who shout, “Allah akbar!”
Calling McVeigh’s bombing the Christian equivalent of Muslim “extremism” is reprehensible. It is not reprehensible because there have not been terrible things done in the Name of Christ – anyone can see that by just looking at the history of the Catholic Church – but because you use a lie to support the false notion that Islam and the Koran have the same legitimacy as the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures.
Because liars and knaves have brought shame to the Name of our Lord and Savior by the atrocities they have committed, contrary to His teaching and example, does not mean that the atrocities committed by Muslims are contrary to their founder. It is quite the opposite. Muslims committing atrocities are following in the footsteps of their founder, Muhammad, who was a terrorist, pillager, adulterer, murderer, rapist and liar. This is not a conclusion gleaned from information supplied by his enemies, but from those who followed him. Read it for yourself and stop being such a damned fool!
If Muhammad and his book showed up in Canada today he would be apprehended by the authorities so fast for all his actual crimes and the hate crime he spreads in his vitriolic, vindictive scriptures, your head would spin, though even that would not dislodge your hatred of God and truth.
You should have asked Aqsa Parvez about all of this, before her father murdered her for not wearing a hijab. She could have told you about living under Islam. She wanted to have the freedom of thought and action that you say you defend, while instead you defend Muhammad and his detestable religion that denied her those very things and led to her death. Her blood is on your hands, because you have strengthened those that strangled her. You aid and abet the enemies of freedom, serving as their “useful idiot,” (which is what Islamists privately, if not publicly call those of your ilk) while you promote their religion of hate and tyranny that grows like a cancer on the corrupt West.
You are an enemy of Christ and of all that is truly godly and right. You are a whore servicing man in his perverse religion, spreading venereal disease of the spirit and mind with all those who accept your favors. You say:
“It is not my place to judge others, and if you truly believe in the words of Jesus you would know that it isn’t yours either. I will spend my money elsewhere.”
If it is not your place to judge others, how is it you are judging us, hypocrite? But we are not liars like you. We believe the words of Jesus, Who said: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment (John 7:24 EMTV).” That is what we have been doing, which you hate because you love your unrighteousness and refuse to forsake your sins. Now you are righteously judged and you can do nothing against our words of truth. If you wish to continue in your stubbornness and insist on going to hell with your money, then so be it.
Though you choose evil and to destroy yourself with all those who would listen to and be subject to your ways, we will do all we can to see to it that others will hear and know the better way of life and peace and be spared the fate of your foolish thinking and ignorant, self-righteous ways.
Here is one of your victims and her story:
(Found on National Post – Posted Toronto)
Girl, 16, dies after hijab dispute with father
Posted: December 11, 2007, 1:48 PM by Rob Roberts
The 16-year-old Mississauga girl who was allegedly strangled by her father in a dispute over her refusal to wear the hijab has died.
Aqsa Parvez, a Grade 11 student at Applewood Heights, succumbed to her injuries late last night, Peel Regional Police said today.
The girl’s 57-year-old father, Muhammad Parvez, has been charged with murder. Aqsa’s 26-year-old brother, Waqas Parvez, has been charged with obstructing police.
Friends believe Aqsa (seen above in a personal photo) was the victim of a dispute over the teenager’s desire to be more western.
“She wanted to live her life the way she wanted to, not the way her parents wanted her to,” classmate Krista Garbhet told the Post this morning.
“She just wanted to be herself, honestly she just wanted to show her beauty, and not be pushed around by her parents telling her what she has to be like, what she has to do. Nobody would want to do that.”
An announcement broadcast at the school, near Bloor Street and Cawthra Road this morning, confirmed Aqsa’s death.
School officials described her as an energetic, well-liked student.
Thankful for the privilege of speaking the truth against the murderous lies of false lovers of humanity,
Laurie, Victor Hafichuk, owner of Harvest Haven Health, here.
Allow me to put to rest your “regret of spending every dollar” you have ever spent in our store. Of course, you are going to have to muster up a little self-control and patience to take the time and effort to listen to what I have to say. Could it be that you are not apprised of the facts? Let’s find out. We will see just how willing you are to respect freedom of religious belief. Thus far, it is rather obvious to me that you certainly are not tolerant of ours, seeing you dismiss and condemn us without knowledge or trial. How tolerant is that, Laurie?
You make several false assumptions. How dare you ignorantly condemn us for falsehood by the use of falsehood! Allow me to ask you some questions:
Have you red the Koran?
Are you familiar with Muhammad’s lifestyle and dictates, as clearly and unapologetically laid out in the Koran and the Hadith, Islam’s “holy books”?
Are you aware that their holy books dictate that Muslims be as their prophet and follow the dictates of the Koran?
Are you not familiar with the centuries-old history and goal of Islam as outlined by their prophet, their holy books and by countless clerics (mullahs, etc.) throughout the world in both East and West presently?
Are you not aware that the so-called extremists are the true Muslims according to the Koran, of which there are not a few?
Are you not aware that the Islamic troubles in many parts of the world are not caused by a mere handful of extremist minorities, as you suppose?
Are you not aware that even the so-called moderate Islamic nations, such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, the Emirates, Libya, and others impose Sharia (Islamic law based on the Koran) upon their subjects?
Are you familiar with the tenets of Sharia law? Take the former rule of the Taliban in Afghanistan, or for that matter, even Saudi Arabia, from where comes Osama Bin Laden, for examples.
Are you aware that the Koran condemns all Christians and Jews (referred to as “People of The Book” – meaning the Bible) and dictates that they all be converted to Islam or be enslaved or killed?
Are you aware that there are no such dictates in the Bible incumbent upon present-day Christians and Jews? (Your holistic “interpretation” argument does not hold water.)
Are you aware that no Muslim nation recognizes Israel’s right to exist as a nation? There are two reasons for that: one, the Jews are one category of the “people of the Book,” and two, if land was once under Islam (which all of Israel’s present territory was beginning in the 7th century), Muslims are obligated to take it back (it can, under no circumstances, be forfeited). It is the Muslims who rejected the UN resolution in 1947 and attacked from all sides when Israel declared its statehood in 1948. It is all the Muslim nations surrounding Israel that were the aggressors in the wars of 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and wars of attrition since, seeking to annihilate Israel.
You may foolishly argue, “That is the Middle East; that is not Canada.” I am sorry to say that the Middle East is now here (9/11 and the uncovered plot to do harm in Canada, cases in point) and the agenda of Muslims has not changed, unless the Koran and the Hadith have been made null and void – and they have not. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world now, and growing daily, often forced by the sword, which is what Muhammad directed, if people did not convert willingly. Yes, there are many who have been seduced without the sword, but the record is there nonetheless.
Are you aware the Koran teaches that Muslim agreements, contracts, or treaties with non-Muslims are not binding for Muslims, that “Allah will understand” should they (Muslims) break them?
We are not taking isolated verses, Laurie. You have not red the Koran and the Hadith. The message is boldly there, no matter whether in Arabic or English.
Are you aware that Islam’s general mission, by any means, is the subjugation of all humanity to Allah, the Koran, Muhammad, and Sharia?
Are you aware that these very convictions and goals are being preached in mosques in the West? All one needs to do is examine the news media in the appropriate places. Many Muslims will tell you these things openly, particularly if in position of power, not that one ought to take only their word for it.
It is all there, Laurie. We are not giving you mere opinion. It is all on record. But fear and ignorance, willful or otherwise, forbid this knowledge.
Let me point out the fallacy of your position, as noble as you may deem it to be. You advocate freedom for all religions. In this case, there are two religions: one advocates love and turning the other cheek; the other advocates rule by force until all other religions and their adherents are exterminated or enslaved, unless they wish to convert. Are they compatible? Do you insist that foxes and chickens be kept in the same barn?
Your position is like saying we ought not discriminate between salt and sugar in the shakers and bowls. It is confusion and renders consequences not acceptable to any but foolish partakers. However, you are not aware of what you defend here. It is far worse, dietarily speaking, than confusing salt and sugar. It is more like confusing food and poison. And you promote the poison because you are ignorant. You are therefore as guilty as those you defend.
Let’s take another approach to this now:
Have you red the Bible?
Do you know the Author of the Bible?
Do you know that Jesus Christ (God) commanded the entire extermination of any religion contrary to His truth and Law, as clearly described in Scripture?
Are you aware that there are many “Jesuses”?
All are liars but one. To which one of the many do you refer?
You compare the Bible to the Koran and Islam to Christianity. Only an ignorant fool could do that. Many of the questions I have asked you are rhetorical to me. I know the answers because of the display of gross ignorance in your letter. The questions are posed not only to expose your ignorance but also to cause you to awaken from your sleep and stop supporting the gradual extinguishment of freedoms in the name of tolerance and freedom of religion.
Show me one Islamic nation that tolerates freedom of religion. Once in power, religious and social freedoms are gone. That is their religion, the one you vehemently support.
What is freedom of religion? Religion kills; truth alone makes free. We are not about religion; we are about reality and truth. We have freedom in Christ, Who said He is the Truth. Nobody can take that from us, not even you. We belong to no religious organization, nor are we subject to any. But you are bound in chains of lies and darkness, never having known the truth. That is why you indignantly defend lies and perpetrate crime.
Finally, you say, “I value freedom of religion and respect for ALL people.”
That is a bald-faced lie; your fruits belie your “toots.” Since it is not your place to be judging others, then stop it; shut your mouth and open your ears. It is our place to “shout from the housetops” that which the Lord Jesus Christ has “whispered in our ears.”
Failing to hear the truth and attacking those who stand for it will not bode well for you, Laurie; I guarantee it. We have seen the consequences of such “New Age” attitudes more times than we can count…no exaggeration. You need to repent of your ignorance and independence of God, manifest in your fear and haughty, judgmental attitude, which may be indicated by your last name.
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