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Freedom of Choice as Defined by the Lawless

 

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On June 3rd, 2018, a person by the name of
Elizabeth Charles contacted Victor via Facebook. Elizabeth had previously commented on a post at the Harvest Haven Facebook page where Martin Van Popta spoke about freedom of choice and the contradiction of those who presume to support it yet viciously demand others to pay for, and support their choices.

First, some of Elizabeth’s comments at the Harvest Haven post:

Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:06 PM
Elizabeth Charles Well I know which business I will actively suggest people to boycott.

Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:19 PM
Elizabeth Charles I see someone business going out of business very soon

Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:21 PM
Elizabeth Charles Please I encourage everyone to reach out to their local farmers markets and ask them if this really is the business they want to support….

Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:24 PM
Elizabeth Charles Business known for delicious fruits and produces- shits on vegans

Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:52 PM
Elizabeth Charles For someone who preaches about God and jesus you sure have a lot of Islamophobia posts on your Facebook.

Am I missing the part of the bible where it says “love thy neightbour” *but only if they are white Christians.

Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:52 PM
Elizabeth Charles Yeah I could find 100 articles about the truth of christianity and the unspeakable horrors that religion has done to this world. But I’d just be wasting my time because you already know about them… you just dont care.

The Romans had it right when they fed your “people” to the lions… too bad they weren’t more effective at it.

Friday, June 1, 2018 5:06 AM
Elizabeth Charles Make sure you message exhibition ground personally. That’s what I did [Elizabeth seeking to get Harvest Haven banned from the local farmer’s market].

Friday, June 1, 2018 4:55 AM
Elizabeth Charles Just as you have every right to speak your views I have every right to actively encourage people to not support your business… I too have taken screen shots of everything you’ve said and have sent it to all the local farmers markets and asked them if this is really the business they would like to showcase at their markets… and I wont stop

A couple days later, on June 3, 2018 at 8:39 PM, Elizabeth messaged Victor directly:

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Elizabeth:

It’s great how you think blocking me from your business page will somehow negate my reviews because there are several other media sources that you cannot change.

Victor:

And what exactly is your problem with Martin’s post, Elizabeth?
We simply ask for freedom of choice; that’s it.
If abortion is the issue with you and you want to kill your babies, go for it. We’re in favor; we’re just not in favor with footing the bill. Is that so bad that you should try to destroy our business?
And you misquoted Martin and misunderstood. Still, I’m not pleading with you. Do your worst. We’ll see what the Lord has to say about your wickedness. I see your eyes in your FB page and you have a craze not normal in society.

Is it any wonder you act and speak the way you do and find fault with us?

Elizabeth:

Crazy eyes.?? You’re right I’m probably possessed by some demon….
Isn’t today your day of rest

Victor:

You do have devils, Elizabeth. As a man of God, I can surely tell you so. And no, Sunday is not God’s ordained day of rest. The Sabbath is. And why do you snark about it? Because you have a devil? Surely.
You battle with me and you lose, E. It’s a forgone conclusion. I have the Lord and you have the devil; no contest.
In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ I rebuke those spirits in you. I bind them in Jesus’ Name. The Lord rebuke YOU, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth:

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Victor:

Shaken, Satan? Yes.

Beat it, devils. Your time is up. Go to the pit where you belong.

Elizabeth:

If theres a slim chance (very slim I might add) that you’re correct and all of you and your “people” are in heaven I’d rather not go. In fact spending a second with any of you would be an eternity of hell for me.

Victor:

And while you’re at it, E, take a photo of this and publish it abroad.
No doubt about that, E. Satan hates the good so what pleasure could you possibly have in Heaven?

Elizabeth:

Nah this will be a joke all for me… you dont need anymore publicity

Victor:

You are pure evil; no surprise
Satan, you’re done.

Elizabeth:

Maybe by your standards….

Victor:

Go to your damnation, Satan. I command you.

Elizabeth:

Also you’re vague threats dont scare me. Do your worst.

Victor:

No threats here at all. Only commands. Go your way.
I have authority over you.
No excusing you; no chance of that.
You’re condemned.

Elizabeth:

By who?

Victor:

You’ve condemned yourself.
By your wickedness and presumption.
How dare you defy the Living God of Heaven and earth!
You’re done.

Finished

No rest for the wicked; gone.

Elizabeth:
These are starting to sound like actual threats. I’d tread lightly if I were you.

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Victor:

You’re finished, Elizabeth, and to qualify for all earthly authorities, FB personnel included, no threats whatsoever. I intend to do nothing to you; my Word I’ve spoken will deal with you. Beat it, Satan.
Devil, what’s your name, by the way?

Tell me.
What is it?

Elizabeth:

Its Elizabeth

Victor:

Really? And who are you to possess her?

Elizabeth:

Hey at the whatever church you preach at is their snake handling?? That’s something I’ve always wanted to see.

Victor:

I’m handling one now as we speak.
I take you up and you can’t hurt me.

As the Scripture declares through Jesus Christ: “And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well” (Mark 16:17-18 MKJV).

Elizabeth:

Wow… this is insane
Sorry I’m an atheist

Victor:

No such thing.
And if you lie saying there’s no God and He tells me He IS, who do I believe, you, a liar, or the One Who tells the Truth? No brainer, right?
You are a liar Satan, as Jesus says

Elizabeth:

Well if you’re hearing voices I strongly recommend to seek out mental health professionals.
And if I am possessed I hardly think The SATAN would waste his time on me…. there are many better options for him.

Victor:

Satan takes all those who give themselves over to evil.
He has the license to do so because you give it to him.
You’ve chosen to oppose God, to sin, to break His Commandments. That put you in the prison of darkness, the hell you’re in.
All these things are written about in the Scriptures, which are Perfectly True.

“He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him” (John 3:36 MKJV).

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23 MKJV)

That life available to all who turn from their wicked ways to Him, you included.

Elizabeth:

I can’t oppose someone who I dont believe in. But thanks for the tips…. I’m sure if their is a God he’ll remember all the God awful racist garbage you post all over your facebool

Victor:

I am One with Him. You know nothing of Him so who are you to judge?
“Racist”? How stupid! What race are we talking, Elizabeth?
What in hell’s name is your definition of “race” or “racism”?
You are so clueless.

Elizabeth:

You know all that islamaphobic garbage you post? Isn’t it exhausting being so angry and full of hate all the time

Victor:

Not that hell’s definitions count.

What does Islam have to do with race, E?

Islam is an ideology, one bent on subjugating the entire world and cutting out your clitoris. Would you like that? And you would be hiding your face in a black mask, your whole being never to be seen again but by a domineering brute who thinks himself, BY HIS KORANIC DOCTRINE ACCORDING TO MUHAMMAD, superior to you. Do you approve of that, Leftist?

So, you’re a misogynist!

Elizabeth:

So do you copy a paste all your bible scriptures or do you know them all by heart.
I like to think I’m more of a socialist equalist

Victor:

And prejudiced against Christian Biblical values, being Judeo-Christian
Then you equalize wolves and rabbits and put them in the same box, do you?
Mice and rattlers are equal, equalist?
How stupid is that?

So women have penises and men have breasts? All are equal? You can ride horses and cats?
Cows are meat eaters and wolves eat wheat?
How stupid are you, E?
Are all of the same intelligence level as you?

Elizabeth:

And for the record I think the Qur’an (at least I respectively spell it correctly) is equally ridiculous as “your” christian bible.

Victor:

Does a midget stand a chance to break the Guinness record of the tallest man ever?

Elizabeth:

Well I know I’m not the same level of intelligence as you…. I don’t think I could be that ignorant even if I tried

Victor:

If all are equal, and you find the Quran/Koran as ridiculous as the Bible, then why not express yourself publicly about that book and its prophet and see how far your neck goes.
You are one stubborn and stupid woman, the lot of those who are atheists, all.
Damned fools.

Not loose words. Damned because they don’t believe, being fools to say there is no God.
All of creation screams God’s Person, Presence, and Work and you, you fool, say He doesn’t exist. Speak of the height of lunacy, and you’re telling ME to seek counsel? Wow! And again, I say, Wow!
Copy all this, Satan, and publish it everywhere. I don’t dare you to do so; I invite you to do so, sincerely.
My pleasure to have all hear what they need to hear.

Done for tonight.

Elizabeth:

Nah I’ll keep this little gem to myself…. I would never do anything you request….
Goodnight, satan be with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another visitor to the Harvest Haven page, a lady named Lindsay Porter, took issue with the phrase “baby killers” being used to refer to women who deliberately choose to kill their unborn babies after indulging in fleeting sexual pleasures.

Martin’s initial comments:

If people insist on creating children they don’t want and opting selfishly to kill them, that’s their business, but I resent that I’ve been stripped of the choice to refuse paying for it. Why should I be taxed for the fleeting sexual pleasures of other people, especially when human life is on the line?

Why should I have to foot the bill for gluttons, sluggards, drunkards, addicts, and baby killers? If that’s the life people want, you won’t see me trying to stop them, but why should I have to help them?

Where’s my freedom of choice?

On Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:07 AM, Lindsay responded:

Lindsay Porter How ignorant are you?!? Baby killers? Do you live in a fucking bubble??! You must! You’d think by 2018 people would have access to information surrounding the reasons some women chose abortion and not just let their dogmatic religious beliefs spout off about such bullshit.

I DID shop at harvest haven, as do (did after this bullshit) a lot of my community, and I know for a fact I not only won’t shop there anymore but I will make a concerted effort to share this post far and wide and make sure my community is well aware of who they are supporting. We vote with our money and I suspect you will be feeling voted out.

Harvest Haven Lindsay, get off it.

First, if only the raped women and those in danger of medical emergency aborted their children, we would see the number of abortions almost vanish. In those cases, I wouldn’t even bother to protest having to contribute my tax dollars to the bill. I’ve made it clear several times that my objection is paying for the killing of babies who were conceived irresponsibly for the sake of idle pleasure.

You know very well how weak your argument is. That’s why you had to use the wording “SOME women”. I’m not talking about the “SOME women”. I’m talking about the “MOST women” and you know it!

This isn’t a post about abortion, it’s a post about choice. Folks of your moral persuasion have no business supporting legislation that takes away my right to stand by my own moral convictions. If folk want to kill their children, I won’t make that my business. And since it’s not my business, I’d appreciate you not sending me the bill.

The picture at the top says it all. You think that you should have the right to choose, and I’m only left with the obligation of paying.

Second, your vote means nothing to us. We’re here to identify with Jesus Christ, which we will do without shame or regret. We’re not here to gain your approval or business. We here to stand with Truth and Fairness. By the Grace of God, we will not be intimidated by your demonic tirades.

The plain reasonable Truth and Wisdom of Jesus Christ has far more power and influence than you could ever hope to muster with your blustering. You’re no match for Him.

Post it far and wide, Lindsay! You’re only doing us a favor. We don’t want to feed folks who hate the Lord.

Lindsay Porter Let me guess… You’re a middle aged man? You get off it. I’m not really even interested in reading what you have to say. Stay in your bubble.

Lindsay Porter Hate the Lord. Yep. Good fucking Christians. I’m pretty sure there’s something about “thou shall not judge” or do you get to pick and choose….?

Lindsay Porter Also. You suck. Peace

Harvest Haven Lindsay, you’ve been had!

John 7:24, “24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”

You’re the one being ignorant and aggressive. Take a look at your commentary. I’m speaking reasonably and logically, and you’re cursing and attempting to stereotype me (a sure sign of defeat).

I think you’ve demonstrated my point to everyone quite clearly. You’ve got nothing. May the Lord deal with you now!

Lindsay Porter Harvest Havenhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Lindsay Porter I’ve not been had. You self righteous asshole. You have made assumptions and determined my own spiritual beliefs because you know so strongly you are right (you aren’t by the way)

Are you getting tired from running a business and trying to run it into the ground? What exactly are you projecting?

Lindsay Porter Maybe you want to have this conversation in person? Cause I could come find you at one of the public markets you do if you like and see how that goes… Would be more than happy to see how righteous you are without a keyboard in front of you.

Lindsay Porter Huh. My comments aren’t staying on the page now. Anyways,I’m pretty sure you will be at a farmer’s market near me very soon. Let’s continue this dialogue in person! Are you as tough without your keyboard??

Harvest Haven Again, Lindsay, we are completely unafraid of you. Set the time and date, and call the media. We will not be ashamed. The Lord is with us and you don’t stand a chance.

Are you committed to this, Lindsay? The first farmer’s market is July 4th downtown. Bring your army and we’ll come in the Name of the Lord.

Martin

Lindsay Porter The “Lord” is with us all you dogmatic ignorant asshole. If anything your hatred and judgement puts you in a bad spot. You’ll get your comeuppance… That’s good enough for me. But sure… Let’s talk. Face to face… Are you capable of hearing a woman speak? Probably not…

 

Several days later Lindsay sent an email to Harvest Haven asking to be removed from the email list:

From: Lindsay Cheyne
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:37 AM
To: Harvest Haven
Subject: Re: Fresh Chicken Date Change!

Remove me from your email list

From: Harvest Haven
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:19 AM
To: Lindsay Cheyne
Subject: Re: Fresh Chicken Date Change!

10-4 Lindsay Porter.

From: Lindsay Cheyne
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:21 AM
To: Harvest Haven
Subject: Re: Fresh Chicken Date Change!

Right. You’re an internet stalker… Right.

From: Harvest Haven
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 7:46 PM
To: Lindsay Cheyne
Subject: Re: Fresh Chicken Date Change!

Nope, you folks and your malicious assumptions never cease.

That email is literally attached to your name on our email sendout.

You are one nasty girl. Your life is going to be miserable until your heart changes.

We’re actually more thankful than you could possibly know for all of this. Our ACTUAL customers have committed even more support to us, and we no longer have to waste time on folks like you who never supported us anyway.

Martin

From: Lindsay Cheyne
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 3:35 PM
To: Harvest Haven
Subject: Re: Fresh Chicken Date Change!

Looking forward to seeing you at a farmer’s market somewhere in Alberta, I’m still terribly curious about your ability to have human to human dialogue and if you’d really be such a nasty person in the public eye.

Men’s balls are generally so much bigger behind the safety of a keyboard.

Also. It’s “Nasty Woman”. I live a joyous life of community and growth and compassion as the “Nasty Woman” I am.

You should probably research the psychological concept of projection sir, as it’s apparently a thing you do.

Poor little guy. Miserable, brainwashed little man

From: Harvest Haven
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:28 PM
To: Lindsay Cheyne
Subject: Re: Fresh Chicken Date Change!

Thanks to your vicious efforts, we were banned from the Farmers’ Market by the Exhibition without a hearing, so I won’t have the displeasure of meeting you in person, unless you’d like to arrange something.

Isn’t this “human to human” dialogue, or did you think that your physical presence would be threatening to us somehow? We’re not the least bit intimidated by your immature devilish behaviour, Lindsay. Arrange a public discourse if you want to and Lord willing, I’ll meet you there. So long as you don’t try to ban us from that, too. You’ll see us how you want to, but you know very well we haven’t done you or anyone else any wrong.

We have no concern of the public eye. I don’t think it gets more public than 15,000 people reached on FB, does it? We’ve been honest and open with nothing to hide. We serve Jesus Christ, and we have no intention of lessening our stance with Him. You’ve only demonstrated to us the value and pressing need for us to be even more open and bold about what we’ve been given, all thanksgiving, glory, honor, and praise to Him.

And truth be told, we know that we’re “little men”, but that’s okay, because we have the Creator of the Universe on our side. Our confidence is in Him, not ourselves.

Martin

From: Lindsay Cheyne
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 10:49 PM
To: Harvest Haven
Subject: Re: Fresh Chicken Date Change!

Ummm..

So you are blaming everyone else for the public reaction to your very public and hideous actions? Do you not comprehend the concept that perhaps you should have thought prior to acting? Sorry pal, but you dug your own grave.
My comments on a Facebook post were not what got you removed from the local farmers market, it was your behavior in a very small tight knit community that screwed you.

I feel so much pity for you, I don’t think you have any concept of reality, you are clearly terribly miserable and self critical which is so very transparent in the way that your only means of dialogue is insulting, talking down to and criticizing other people. you turned dispute into ugly ugly conflict because that is all you are capable of, you are the one with the black heart, you are the one that is nasty.

You are likely incapable of seeing this or ever admitting imperfections in yourself, which is also so sad and pitiful.

None the less, your ignorant words don’t touch me. I too have a faith that I believe strongly is so much more powerful than your brainwashed version as I do have the pleasure of seeing love blossom and miracles happens every day in my existence.

You probably have learned nothing, you poor weak victim who clearly does no wrong. That’s fine. Comeuppance. You’re obviously seeing it okay out.

Stop accusing me, berating me, insulting me.  Your perpetuating your own misery by doing so. Also, although I haven’t reached out to a single authority if you continue to send me Nasty little emails I will do so as I have checked in with who could further deal with your behavior. There are so many screenshots of your rampage of pure hateful insanity on Facebook as well as these emails. You aren’t intelligent enough to realize you were having a childlike temper tantrum, threatening and berating a select 500 or so people who are very interconnected in the community in Lethbridge… Very interconnected.

Thank you though for all the laughs, there were so many laughs at the absolutely rediculous behavior you and your company presented over being disagreed with. I was out on Saturday and people are still laughing at you. Harvest haven will likely be a joke for years to come in the city of lethbridge and community involved.

Anyways.

Last word

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