Coming here, you have come upon The Stone.
The Lord Jesus Christ is Who and What everything in existence is all about. Having overcome death for our sakes, He lives, is true, and anyone will find Him perfectly faithful to help overcome everything, even death. Many of you will not believe or want to hear what we say. I certainly didn’t. At one time or another, not one does. But by His grace, I eventually discovered that He is our Life and the Source of all.
It is not about religion but about reality. Jesus Christ did not come to give us “church” or religion or even Christianity, as most have known it. He came to give us life. We represent no religious organization or system of belief or doctrine. We have His life and testify to you what we know to be true.
This is Jesus Christ’s claim:
“I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me” (John 14:6).
Here is what He promised to those who believe Him:
“And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…. Therefore if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed” (John 8:32-36).
We have found Him because He has chosen to reveal Himself to and in us. We know Him, are one with Him, and we speak to you by Him.
There is no other way to peace and fulfillment, though men claim many other ways, whether in His Name or otherwise. When you have exhausted yourself in searching for fulfillment and finding none, and realize you still lack, it may be your time for God to reveal Himself to you. Jesus Christ (Yehoshuah HaMashiach/Yeshua/Yahweh), the Creator, and He only, can fill your void.
We are here on His behalf for your sake.
I am troubled greatly from what I have read here over the past few days. In some ways there is much truth here. Yet in most all, there is great confusion.
Victor claims to be one from God, and perhaps (I hope) he is of God, but some of what is taught is not. His fruit is unknown to me, other than his comments on this page and what is written here. Few of which have shown fruits of the Holy Spirit. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. Him and his followers attack those in opposition calling them Satan for simple differences. The Bible is clear about what danger awaits those who are angry at their brothers, and who insult or call them fools.
The first and most important issue. Victor claims to know that others do not know the Jesus he knows, because they don’t interpret the Bible as he does. This is not biblical. I, too, struggled with this as an early Christian. How could Catholics do this? How could they do that? How are they saved if they don’t agree with what I believe theologically? And how did Jesus answer when his disciples argued amongst themselves about who was greatest? Was it not (likely John) a child who God said was the greatest among them?
Even the disciples tried to stop others casting out demons in Jesus name because they weren’t one of “them”….but Jesus said they were one of them!
Master,’ said John, ‘we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.’ ‘Do not stop him,’ Jesus said, ‘for whoever is not against you is for you.’
I cannot stress enough that yes, Victor you are right about many things. Perhaps, the Trinity was taught by Calvin who was responsible for another’s death. Did God not still use David even after he murdered? Does God say you must have full understanding of every characteristic of God to come to repentance and salvation? No. In fact, the thief on the cross knew likely close to zero yet he knew Christ was true and it was enough. I am positive my doctrine is flawed and I’m open to listening to others that proclaim Christ as Lord and Savior to see if greater knowledge, wisdom and understanding may be revealed to me by God through them.
But now is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, and dirty language. Don’t lie to each other, for you have stripped off your old sinful nature and all its wicked deeds. Put on your new nature, and be renewed as you learn to know your Creator and become like him. In this new life, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbaric, uncivilized, slave, or free. Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us.
I got here in December. I live in Louisiana. I’ve been in contact with quite a few of the people here for months now and I want to tell you that the fruit here is good. I know it’s confusing at first. I had a lot of the same thoughts you do, and even quoted that verse about the fruit of the Spirit in one of my first comments. What have you read so far?
I have read through Luther, Calvin and some of these other ‘false prophets’. And some of the ‘false religion’ stuff.
I’m not sure a website pretty much solely devoted to calling others false is what I would call fruit. If what is taught here were true, my own salvation would be false according to Victor and others that I am fully sure of their knowledge of Christ. I tread lightly as there is clearly some evil present here and I would not wish something said in haste to mislead you. But I would also encourage you to seek God’s word, away from this website, and then revisit what you consider truth.
I know men and women of God. I have seen their fruits for decades. I have watched them rise early to be with God. I can tell you for certain. Next to this Victor they would look like a saint next to a swine. You can see Christ in their very manner, the exact opposite of what is reflected through Victor’s words and some of the followers here. If you know Christ, my sister. Be wary. Email me and I will help you. Jonferree5@gmail.com Your very words, it can be confusing. Who is the author of confusion? What fruit is clearly seen here? Confusion.
Jon, what about these words, spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ:
 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.”
 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
And these words:
 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
Would He look like swine next to your so called men and women of God? Was He wrong for calling out the false?
Here’s a good teaching that you could read: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/the-issues-of-life/does-god-speak-only-gentle-words.htm
Jesus was without blame. He was God. He was justified in his judgment. He also was not using idle words, bad language or slander. He called them truthfully as to what they were. Much different than what is going on here. I could show you countless other things but you would know them yourself if you knew Him. My teaching comes from the word of God not of a man’s opinion, an opinion he holds that every Christian is wrong except him for none believe all of what he does except his young gullible followers until they fall away or are guided to real truth hopefully from truly Godly people. He even curses death upon his enemies. But I have yet to see a prayer for one. Be not so blind. For I pray for you.
Today is the day of resurrection. Repent.
Here’s one of Victor and Martin’s latest videos, Honesty. What do you think about this?
From the very start you see what shaky ground he himself is on in his understanding. However, I can appreciate that he admits when he says “am I being honest?, often times I find I’m not”.
As the Bible says it is good for some not to teach.
Unfortunately, I have not time to watch now. I must go to the house of my Father.
“[Victor] even curses death upon his enemies.'”
Jon, David did too. Below is one example:
“ Let me not be disappointed, Yahweh, for I have called on you. Let the wicked be disappointed. Let them be silent in Sheol.  Let the lying lips be mute, which speak against the righteous insolently, with pride and contempt. (Psalms 31:17-18 [WEB])”
Haven’t you red the Pslams? I’ve heard lots of times where David curses like above, so your idea of righteousness is wrong.
“If what is taught here were true, my own salvation would be false according to Victor and others that I am fully sure of their knowledge of Christ.”
Well, you said it. You have a lot to consider, and a lot of considering to do.
“Did God not still use David even after he murdered?”
David repented before Nathan the Prophet. Calvin remained hardened in his vile sin. Calvin is not someone God uses for the glory of the Kingdom. Remember when Jeremiah sinned by being in self-pity and God rebuked him, telling him to repent or He wouldn’t have him before Him:
 Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable, which refuses to be healed? Will you indeed be to me as a deceitful brook, like waters that fail?  Therefore thus says Yahweh, If you return, then I will bring you again, that you may stand before me; and if you take out the precious from the vile, you shall be as my mouth: they shall return to you, but you shall not return to them.  I will make you to this people a fortified bronze wall; and they shall fight against you, but they shall not prevail against you; for I am with you to save you and to deliver you, says Yahweh. (Jeremiah 15:18-20 [WEB]
You do admit your doctrine is probably flawed, so I am hopeful you will listen and admit your faults. I get the impression you learned from Calvin, but there may still be hope to repent of Calvin.
“Him and his followers attack those in opposition calling them Satan for simple differences.”
Well, of course we speak with those in opposition. Satan means adversary, after all, so it is good to speak with the enemies:  Behold, children are a heritage of Yahweh. The fruit of the womb is his reward.  As arrows in the hand of a mighty man, so are the children of youth.  Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them. They won’t be disappointed when they speak with their enemies in the gate. (Psalms 127:3-5 [WEB]
Opposition means you’re resisting. Like here, you’re not seeking to have clarity or understanding, you’re already trying to lure away Amber. You also talk like you know the Word much, but you really don’t since some of your points are already proven wrong. Need we debunk more of your notions that help you oppose yourself and others while you think you’re doing the right thing?
Also on this topic, you said, “Few of which have shown fruits of the Holy Spirit. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness and self control”
And I say we’re innocent until proven guilty. Bring up examples of comment threads, if you can.
Alan, I truly wish God’s light upon you. Unfortunately, I have read too much here that is in direct oppositon with God. I do not have months to explain to you. The Bible and any sound instruction should lead you.
Victor also quotes few scriptures to mislead. Saying God is not all Good. But anyone who has read the Bible would know that is says there is only one who is good. And in him there is no wickedness.
David, also lived under the old covenant. Prior to the instruction of love your enemies. Many things changed as the covenant is new in Christ. Just as what goes in a man is not what makes him unclean but what comes out of his mouth. And Jesus breaking the ‘rules’ of the sabbath.
Even so in my lack of full knowledge I repent. For I am not better equipped through my selfishness. But I assure you, I, have been baptised in the Spirit. When I speak it is not to mislead you, as you say.
If anyone says they are without sin, they are a liar and the truth is not in them. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Even Paul struggled with sin.
Teaching sinless perfection is incorrect. You are at war with the flesh until it dies. In weakness he is made whole. Any man who says he loves God with all his heart, mind, soul and strength for every moment of his existence is a liar and the truth is not in him.
“Even so in my lack of full knowledge I repent.”
Well, Jon, on the one hand, you talk like you know a lot (even to the point of comparing Victor to a pig), but then you speak like you lack full knowledge and you’re repenting. That’s not repentance. That’s not humility. That’s dishonest religiosity.
If you were repenting, you would be reconsidering what you said, apologizing, and so on. Maybe you’d be better off if you didn’t speak and instead got to read more, seeking to understand what TPOT’s papers mean?
Should I be debunking every doctrine each of your new replies brings out? I think not. Martin’s latest comments addressed your irresponsible spirit that throws out accusations, which is what you need to tend to.
Jon, you’re also the one implying that “love your enemies” is new. I don’t fully understand why Jesus said those words when we compare it to David’s Psalms, but if I take your understanding, it’s like I have to do away with a lot of the Psalms. I take you at your word that you lack full knowledge, so I say, “no thanks” to what you’re teaching.
Tell me, Jon, what are you teaching while you lack knowledge about it?
Maybe I’ll learn more and have other things to say later.
Jon, you say of Victor: “He even curses death upon his enemies.” and you seemingly imply that that disqualifies him from being “truly Godly.” Does that apply to Elijah too? “But Elijah replied to the captain, “If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and destroy you and your fifty men!” Then fire fell from heaven and killed them all.” (2 Kings 1:10 NLT)
And Elisha? “Elisha left Jericho and went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, a group of boys from the town began mocking and making fun of him. “Go away, baldy!” they chanted. “Go away, baldy!” Elisha turned around and looked at them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of them. From there Elisha went to Mount Carmel and finally returned to Samaria.” (2 Kings 2:23-25 NLT)
Before you answer, please also consider that the Lord took Elijah up to heaven, and granted Elisha a double share of Elijah’s spirit: “When they came to the other side, Elijah said to Elisha, “Tell me what I can do for you before I am taken away.”
And Elisha replied, “Please let me inherit a double share of your spirit and become your successor.”
“You have asked a difficult thing,” Elijah replied. “If you see me when I am taken from you, then you will get your request. But if not, then you won’t.”
As they were walking along and talking, suddenly a chariot of fire appeared, drawn by horses of fire. It drove between the two men, separating them, and Elijah was carried by a whirlwind into heaven. Elisha saw it and cried out, “My father! My father! I see the chariots and charioteers of Israel!” And as they disappeared from sight, Elisha tore his clothes in distress.
Elisha picked up Elijah’s cloak, which had fallen when he was taken up. Then Elisha returned to the bank of the Jordan River. He struck the water with Elijah’s cloak and cried out, “Where is the Lord, the God of Elijah?” Then the river divided, and Elisha went across.” (2 King 2:9-14.)
“As the Bible says it is good for some not to teach.”
“Unfortunately, I have not time to watch now. I must go to the house of my Father.”
Yes, especially those paying homage to the Queen of Heaven. You prioritize vanity over loving your neighbor. If you were truly one with the Father, you would recognize that His House and His Work are here.
“These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips. But their heart is far from Me and in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.” (Matthew 15:8-9 KJV)
You say: “Few of which have shown fruits of the Holy Spirit. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.”
You criticize others, claiming they don’t have the fruit of the Spirit, yet you wouldn’t lift a finger to help others yourself. Which is why Lynn posted the verse about the Pharisees. You claim to have far more knowledge of the Lord than Alan, such that it would take you months to explain to him his error, yet you won’t bother to explain what it is.
You claim there is evil, confusion, false interpretation, malice, anger, rage, slander, foul language, and doctrinal error. Why have you not given examples of these? Are you content with leaving people in what you call darkness? Jon Ferree, you hate your neighbor.
“I am positive my doctrine is flawed and I’m open to listening to others that proclaim Christ as Lord and Savior to see if greater knowledge, wisdom and understanding may be revealed to me by God through them.”
You only came here to condemn under a false guise of humility and to place yourself as judge over others.
“My teaching comes from the word of God not of a man’s opinion”
Correction: You use the Word of God in vain to justify your own opinion. Your teaching is your own, not the Lord’s.
2 Timothy 3:1-9 BSB
1) But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come.
2) For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3) unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good,
4) traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5) having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!
6) They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women who are weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions,
7) who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
8) Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth. They are depraved in mind and disqualified from the faith.
9) But they will not advance much further. For just like Jannes and Jambres, their folly will be plain to everyone.
I love God first, loving my neighbor is second commanded. I would not neglect my time with Him to argue doctrine with you.
You would call Jesus unclean, though he said it is not what goes in that makes a man unclean but what comes out of a man’s mouth.
This site bears no fruit other than confusion and blind following of man. I have already shown you your errors, yet you do not listen.
I have told you of David being under the old covenant. Ingrid here quotes the old testament as defense. If you cannot hear Jesus saying “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
If you cannot see this blatant error, I am sure that I cannot bring light to you through words. But I will pray for you, as I have already prayed for all who visit this site.
Can you truly not see that Christ said do not do that? Do not curse your enemies.
Jon, aren’t you the one who started arguing doctrine with us? Are you confused about who started this, because I’m willing to remind you.
By all means, stop neglecting the jesus you’ve made in your own image and go worship him immediately. You’ll save us the noise of your religious prattling. Don’t let us keep you.
You don’t want to waste your time here and we don’t want you to either. See, we can agree on something after all!
You’re guilty, Jon. You are consumed by your sin. That’s why you hate us. You don’t have a single bone in your body that has good will for us. Your B.S. about praying for us stinks to the heavens. You are a hypocrite and liar.
The Lord will deal with you.
Martin.. you have nothing but doctrine. Read the site. There is nothing else. Nothing. This entire site is an argument.
I love you Martin, and I wish nothing but God’s blessings on you. I will continue to pray for you and those that hear you. God is faithful, he will answer.
And Braden, here is your very example. Or is abbreviating “BS” not foul language?
What attributes of the Spirit do you see in his reply? Your very leader. (Or new one, I guess the last one didn’t work out, but that seems to be being swept under as fast as possible). You follow a man who cannot even control the evil of his tongue.
Did any saint, prophet, or God himself ever use language such as this in the Bible? No, but these words are common in those who practice evil.
From Braden’s response, concerning you:
“2) For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3) unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good,”
I’m highlighting these, because I believe those are exactly the issue with you.
As for your twist over “BS”, you’re wrong.
The Lord Jesus Christ called the pharisees “vipers”. Read:
You don’t realize it, but you’re in need of some very harsh words coming from the saints and ultimately from the Lord. Calling a spade a spade isn’t evil in and of itself.
Besides, there are plenty of people I can think of more righteous than you who use the word “bullshit”. Sure, they may be coarse, but they’re at least honest, and not trying to present themselves as some angel of light as you are here. Big difference in attitude and spirit, which is far more concerning.
This hasn’t stopped you from spreading your own accusations and hogshit all over The Path of Truth so you can make yourself look good.
Nicholas, I care nothing about what you think of me. I am just a man. Saved by grace, I never deserved. If you thought I were a great person, it wouldn’t matter for you’d be wrong. I’m nothing without Christ.
But please, for Christ sake. If you love him. Control your tongue. You gain nothing by cursing at me.
Jesus Christ knows I never cursed you. You have cursed Him almost the entire time you’ve been here.
I will continue to pray for you.
You’ll just continue giving me the bird, while disengenuously saying you’ll “pray for me”.
Isn’t arguing with me cutting into your prayer time?
It’s certainly a waste of my time. Get out of here, Jon. Don’t come back until you’ve learned not to let an unclean beast lick your face after they licked their own butt and feces.
It’s time to speak what I’ve received of God to you and to all.
Many have come to this website, ThePathofTruth.com to argue, fault, criticize, attack, and condemn, even in the severest of terms. For two decades, I have preached what God has given me. These things have been offered up to the public for their benefit and warning. I declare I haven’t learned these things from men but from God, even though He has used many as instrumentalities to inform and instruct me.
I serve you notice today, in accordance to many prophecies that have gone forth both in Scripture, by others, and by me that the time is done. No more arguing. The time for guilty and unrepentant defendants before the White Judgment Throne of God is here. If they can’t earnestly exercise Godly reason, they must be corrected by fire.
There is no other option, solution, or hope.
If any should have the opportunity to approach the TPOT, be it known they approach the Lord. Let them take off their shoes because they stand on Holy Ground. Let them humble themselves and pray earnestly to God. Let them recognize that TPOT is no longer for argument. That day is done. Let them come in “sackcloth and ashes,” with fasting and prayer, with true repentance and confession of sin.
Let them come candidly confessing their wrong, with fruits of humility, patience, respect, honor, and faith, not with proud worthiness but with humble worthlessness.
Let them beware that God is a consuming fire with both goodness and severity. Let them no longer open their mouths with idle words, especially with blasphemy against man or God. The time for that is finished.
Come to learn, not to teach. Come to follow, not to lead. Come on your knees and not on your high white horse. Come to give all you have to receive, and come to receive what you don’t have instead of giving what you don’t have. One is called “humility,” and the other “presumption” and “arrogance.”
2 Peter 2:9-13:
9 “The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it a pleasure to riot in the daytime. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their deceivings while they feast with you….”
Thus says the Lord.
I think it is easier to verbalize conversations than to communicate via writing it all down on paper, it isn’t natural for most of us, especially me, unless, you are a trained skilled writer,(movie writer in this case, I was never one to pick up book) and sometimes they don’t make sense, and they can experience writer’s block .
I don’t think this confusion was entirely your fault. God is in control, right? Perhaps he caused it to confuse us to test us for His purposes. We are given to know His Word for those who diligently seeks Him. For me I think it was for my sake a test to “Get myself out there” I sat on the pew to long, far too long in my eyes but perfect in His timing.. You were right in Quoting this verse:
Heb 5:13-14 For everyone who lives on milk is still an infant, inexperienced in the message of righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by CONSTANT USE HAVE TRAINED their senses to distinguish good from evil. God gives each of us a measure of faith, so how do we exercise our faith? By doing. Faith without works is dead. God used you to inspire and compel me to act.
This was not intended to make you feel that your writing skills are bad, we were just confused. and like Dena had said,” Not trying to temper your enthusiasm for what you are doing with the churches. I know you are sharing teachings with them, which I agree with her and that it is a good thing.
Keep going girl, keep doing right like Victor says, you are doing a good thing!
Hi Dena and Jill!
I’m not very good at communicating by writing, so I appreciate your feedback. I have a lot of thoughts and they all connect in my head, but writing them out doesn’t always come across the way I intend. It’s something I’m trying to work on. Sorry that what I was said was confusing.
I’ve been talking with several people on FB and by email and I’ve heard over and over that people are afraid to speak up because of past correction they’ve received here. Sometimes the correction was over five years ago. Some have said they wish they could talk to others, or to go to their churches, but they felt they were told to be silent, so they’ve been silent. I figured if I keep hearing it over and over, it probably applies to a lot of people. I know how I feel when I get corrected. How sometimes it makes me want to disappear. I wanted to encourage everyone to have more faith. I wanted to try and change how some people seem to be taking correction. It can be taken as encouragement. A bunch of what I said doesn’t apply to you directly, Dena. I thought it would be good to say it anyway though, for whoever needs to hear it.
We should be seeking the Lord and listening to Him about when to speak and what to say. Discernment and self-control are important. I saw how you spoke up on FB, Dena, and thought that was super awesome. I hope this clarifies my comments at least a little.
Thanks for the clarification, it helped.
My name is Jill Veldkamp
I too was not understanding and found it a bit confusing as well, so you are not alone.
I agree with your statements concerning fear. I had questioned, How can fear be a choice? and how can fear be a form of Pride? I had experienced fear, a painful experience not to long ago. I can tell you I didn’t choose it. I do however know that my fear, that the Lord allowed me to go through was a result of choosing bitterness over Love, producing fruits not worthy of eating and speaking things (spiritual food) I knew nothing about. And I didn’t fear the lord our God as commanded. I believe God causes us to fear to awaken us, to Fear the Lord our God.
It was interesting to find out according to the webster 1828 dictionary. at the bottom of the listed definitions was this word: companion. which is no longer used. I think Scripture does show us it is a companion a natural thing used in both good and bad according to His purpose. To save man from pride, putting fear in our hearts to lead us back to Him.
fearing God, especially godly men, a holy awe of His wonderous works, are some of His ways and fear like fear of heights or swimming with the sharks a good tool to keep us from harm.
Nice to meet you. Very interesting to see companion as one of the meanings of fear. Very apt.
I think fear can be chosen, such as being afraid of someone. However, I believe it is also a consequence of other choices we make. Sin and become fearful. Become bitter and become fearful. Trying to avoid certain circumstances instead facing them and become fearful. And so on.
For the thing which I greatly feared has come upon me, and that which I was afraid of has come to me. (Job 3:25 MKJV)
The Lord doesn’t give us any circumstance/consequence that we don’t need or deserve. I’d say for me that they’ve mostly been deserved. However, it works its purpose and is ultimately for our good. We can be thankful for it all.
If anyone has time, I would like to know what you think about this:
Fear is a form of pride masquerading as humility. It’s a lie. You think you’re being humble by keeping silent because you don’t want to say the wrong thing? Pride. Who are you? Are you greater than God? Do you think that somehow you can destroy the Lord’s work? You can’t. Believe in the resurrection.
Yes, have self-control. Yes, have discernment. Yes, control your tone of voice and attitude. Yes, be wise. No, don’t act like some religious evangelist pushing beliefs on people. But have some real humility and stop being selfish. Stop crawling. Stop walking. Start running. Yes, you’re going to fall. Yes, falling hurts and leaves bruises. It even break bones sometimes. You can be a victim or you can get back up. Get back up.
“For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.”
Hebrews 5:12-14 ESV
It seems hard to tell if a silent person is staying quiet because he’s proud. It takes more details of the situation to understand that. More specifically, someone may be staying quiet because they don’t want to offend, say, the cashier talking about the state of the world while we would have something to say about sin.
Oh, yeah, you know, I suspect I’ve seen a lot of people being quiet because they don’t want to be wrong. Maybe this even leads to sycophant behavior. But beware, I know I’ve heard someone admit they were wrong for agreeing with Paul Cohen’s justifying how Paul could get away with looking at lots of women. Something was definitely wrong, and by 2018 Paul Cohen got kicked out.
I’m not sure if was because that person didn’t want to say the wrong thing, but it seems possible.
I think I understand what you mean. Just to clarify, I was saying that silence due to fear is prideful, not necessarily the silence itself. Discernment is important.
I don’t know that much about Paul, but I do know that no one gets away with anything. From the little I know about Paul, he makes me think of Solomon, since we use what Solomon wrote as Scripture and he also had a problem with women.
Im reminded of the lesson Ive had regarding fear, and that it’s only a choice.
Something countering that fear though, is the Lord’s promise to always take care of believers. We’ll always get what we need, when we need it, and any lack is from Him as well, with a good purpose in mind.
Watching that play out is awesome.
So true Nicholas! Yes, it is awesome to watch!!!
I view fear and pride somewhat differently. I believe a proud person isn’t afraid of saying the wrong thing; they simply don’t believe they are wrong. Whereas a fearful person can be afraid of the consequences of speaking, regardless of whether they are right or wrong.
If a proud person is holding back from saying something, they may be proud of their “humility”. Or there may be other reasons they choose not to speak. However, if someone speaks out of pride, it can be a good thing if they fall and get humbled. “Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.” Prov 16:18
The fearful need to combat their fear by not ruminating on the “what ifs” and speak their piece. When a fearful person faces whatever issues are causing their fearfulness, the Lord will bring them through.
Your comment has definitely been making me think, which is really good! I’m working on a response, and it might be a while, but I’ll get back to you.
I’ve been busy but finally have time to write you back!
I agree that fear is not always pride and pride is not always fear. Your second sentence seems to me to be referring to ignorance, not necessarily pride, but pride can keep people ignorant.
I was specifically referring in my original comment about we, who have been given Truth to speak, but keep silent because of the fear of “leading someone astray.” I’ve noticed that phrase (and similar phrases) from people as I’ve been talking to everyone here. I also picked it up and started using it. The more I used it, the more I believed it, but one day I started questioning it like this:
Is it up to us to lead anyone? Isn’t it the Lord who leads? How can we lead anyone astray if we are all seeking the Lord? His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. The only people who can be led astray are those who can’t recognize His voice, which is not something we control. The Spirit gives the ability to discern, not us. The fear of leading someone astray comes from the fear of men and not the fear of God. We think we have more influence than we actually do on the end result of the Lord’s work. The focus is wrong. Our focus should be on following the Lord and speaking the Truth, not on how people respond. Maybe arrogance would have been a better word than pride.
Say we speak truth to the best of our ability and what we say is somewhat wrong… then what? Someone else with more wisdom should come behind us and correct us so that the ignorance from the first person can be shown for what it is. It’s beneficial for both people. Correction shouldn’t silence the first person, but rather encourage them, because now they can see more clearly. And the second person can be encouraged that the Lord has entrusted to them the responsibility of speaking more Life into the first person. If someone is keeping silent because of correction in the past, that person may also be fearing men, not the Lord. Shouldn’t our desire to push each other into the Light make both the pusher and the pushed more bold, not more timid? The Lord did not give a Spirit of fear, but rather a Spirit of power, love, and self-discipline.
I know some of this might seem off topic to you since you recently came back, but I felt like it’s something that has been needing to be addressed.
Note that I am not in anyway trying to discourage hierarchies, respecting authority, maintaining self-control, or using discernment when we speak. We have leaders and we follow and respect them for a reason. But we have to remember that we are the light of the world. Us and no one else. If we don’t speak up, who will?
To clarify, I believe that a person who is prideful may be unaware they are wrong in something because their pride has them believing whatever they say or do is right. A person’s not afraid of being wrong when they are convinced they are right, so why hold back?
I have said many things while full of pride, believing I was right and justified. Today, those are things I am ashamed of.
On the flip side, I have also been so bound up in fear that I would not say anything about any topic, spiritual or mundane. Both are horrible, ugly ways to be. Burdensome to everyone, not just that one person.
As far as your comments in this thread, for the most part, I neither understand what you’re saying nor who you are saying it to. I find it somewhat confusing.
Maybe it is our age difference or living in a different geographical area with different sayings, but I also don’t understand the “fear of leading someone astray”. Truth doesn’t lead someone astray; unbelief does. So, if a person says they have that fear, isn’t it an indication that they are in unbelief themselves? It has nothing to do with the other person as far as I can tell.
You talk a lot about people holding back and not speaking because of pride or fear. You tell people to stop crawling and start running. Do you believe everyone is currently capable of running, whether or not they are doing so?
I can only speak for myself, but I don’t think I am even at the crawling stage. There is no use for me to attempt running until I am obedient where I am at, grow in faith, learn how to crawl, and then run, even if I want to run now. Otherwise, I am just doing my own works, pretending it is of the Lord. That wouldn’t be good for anyone.
You often mention that we have been given Truth to speak. What does that mean? What does that entail for you? For others?
Have you considered the other side of the coin? Just as it is possible to remain silent when one ought to speak, a person can talk when they should remain silent.
A time to be silent and a time to speak (Eccl 3:7 KJV)
Whenever words are many, transgression is not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent. (Prov 10:19 ESV)
Even a fool, when he is silent, is counted wise, and he who shuts his lips is counted as a man of understanding. (Pro 17:28 MKJV)
Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps his soul from troubles. (Pro 21:23 ESV)
Not trying to temper your enthusiasm for what you are doing with the churches. I know you are sharing teachings with them, and that Victor has blessed it. That is a wonderful thing.
However, it is prudent for us all to learn to discern when and how to speak, including not speaking when necessary. The Lord has different requirements for each person. We need to learn to be obedient to Him, not just do what someone else is doing or says we should do because it sounds good.
I came here with completely selfish motives, to get back with Marcin. I was wrong for starting all this with an agenda and I’m really sorry. Then I realized I actually really like this site, and all of you, and my religious pride took over because I wanted to fit in. Thank you to those who have been pointing things out to me: Victor Hafichuk Martin VanPopta Nicholas Preston Nicholas Preston-carpenter Braden Preston . I also wanted to thank Alan Agnew because he’s the reason I stayed at the beginning of all of this. I still have a problem with the religion and pride, and I’m sure there are a lot of other things that I can’t see in myself. Please keep calling me out when I say something that’s off. I want the discipline and discernment. I really respect all of you. The integrity and insight I’ve seen from everyone here is unbelievable to me. It’s been pretty painful honestly, but also really helpful. If you feel like I’ve wronged you in any way (or do so in the future), and there’s something I can do to make it up to you, please let me know.
Nicholas Carpenter Oops. I think it tagged Nicholas Preston twice but Nicholas Carpenter should have been in here too. He has been a huge help to me.
I appreciate the add. May the Lord continue to bless all those here and Harvest Haven!
That’s the problem with you Path of Truth’ers – you’re stuck in reality. I have reality, and more. Pardon me for continuing to dish out clips from a loaded gun. Victor/Martin have theirs sheathed – at least verbally, so it seems.
You have zero grip on reality that I can tell, Emmanuel. You clearly hate it here, so why don’t you leave? If you truly trusted God, you’d have perfect peace, knowing He’s in charge of our “error” that you love to vomit out, drunkenly.
I doubt you’l leave anytime soon. You’re here to complain, waste everyone’s time and get negative attention. I may not know exactly how to address your Syndrome, but it’s still no excuse for being an accuser of brethren, which you are.
We’ve banned people before for spamming incessantly without actually reading our responses, like you’re doing now. Don’t push it. You’re here to be judged and you need to submit to the correction the Lord is providing you here at this site. Resist, and it will continue to go bad for you:
“As charcoal to embers and as wood to fire, so is a quarrelsome man for kindling strife.” Proverbs 26: 21
You’re responsible for your condition, Emmanuel. We’ve been very patient with you. Can you shut up for 5 minutes, perhaps longer and take an honest look at yourself? How about taking the time to read our responses?
If you’d take some responsibility, diligence, and demonstrate some patience, you might actually stop typing long enough to see we’re trying to help you, not hurt you, as you alleged. None of us has condemned you, yet you’re still here making false allegations and condemning us all. It’s wrong. It’s why you’re in such a horrid state of insanity, but I suspect you’re too proud to see it.
Nicholas, do you think i’m here trying to quarrel and provoke? No, I simply want to get some accountability from V&M. I’m not shying away from your responses. I don’t mean to sound arrogant but I could address them all – should I do that to ‘prove’ I’m taking responsibility and diligence? I haven’t dismissed any out of hand – I have read and communicated. I’m not here to kick up a storm for no apparent reason, believe me. Seriously I will not post again (other than replies) and I don’t wish to spam at all. Hopefully V & M see the necessity in responding, if not, so be it; I’ll go my way and disappear from view. Why strive? And vica versa. But if there’s a conversation to be had I would like it to involve Victor/Martin.
Have it your own Emmanuel. Let God deal with you!
What if I have the authority of/from/with/above God to be doing this? What would you say then? Is that a possibility?
No, Emmanuel, “what if” isn’t enough. You don’t have that authority from God otherwise you would have said so already. You certainly don’t have authority “above” God. You’re clearly not in your right mind. Whatever is going on with you, it isn’t from God.
What do I do?…for the last two consecutive nights I’ve had bad dreams. To be honest I don’t know what this is. I feel I need deliverance. Medication was working to some extent until I came off it. You ask me, What am I? I don’t even know.
Victor, is your feminine ignoring really the best way? Why are you hiding? Is it perhaps cause I’m a demoniac (seemingly possessed), therefore I’m a deluded, mad fool; worthy of such treatment? Hmm, seems to me that you’re worthy of judgment – Victor and Martin – for you’re not as sound as you think you are. If the inverse is true, and I’m the one at fault, let the judgment fall on me then. But rather than run away from challenges and things that you don’t understand, why not confront them, even seek to understand, rather being dismissive of the “demon-possessed”? I have much to say in judgment, yes in judgment, of TPOT.
“… is your feminine ignoring really the best way?”
‘… is it perhaps cause I’m a demoniac (seemingly possessed), therefore I’m a deluded, mad fool; worthy of such treatment? …”
What are you talking about? And who gave you the right to judge anyone, if you think you’re demonically possessed? You’re certainly accusing left and right without reasoning or evidence, which is evil. You shouldn’t then be surprised that you sound out of your mind. God brings His Wrath on people who falsely accuse his sons, which is exactly what’s happening here, one way or another.
“..Why are you hiding?“
Victor’s hiding nothing (not that you’ve even had the decency to tell us what). Everything is out in the open, Emmanuel. Read his testimony.
“… let the judgment fall on me then …“
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? You won’t be able to stand what’s coming to you if you continue acting like this.
If Victor’s not hiding let’s see if he comes out in the open or leaves his fledglings to do combat. No offense, Nicholas, but you’re not the person(s) I wish to be speaking to. Let the authorities, and not the subordinates, handle the matter.
Emmanuel, when you first came here, your attitude was very, very different. These are your own words from last year:
“I first came to awareness of TPOT in 2014, and I was struck by the pure clarity of the writings; the sheer wealth of information (yet without verbosity); and the singular uniqueness of it all – because it was nothing like I ever heard. And I thought, “How can this be? If i’m a Christian already, what are these new, incredible and terribly challenging things I am reading?”. I’ve struggled again and again, with putting my sin behind me, and it became apparent that I love my sins and they are my idols. I see this as a hard fact, not merely a subjective truth. I’ve never heard from the Lord – as much as my mentally ill delusions would have me believe (I’m diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia, and recently was in hospital for 3 years), and it appears I’m also demon-possessed. I know I need to repent, and have had minimal success with putting away sin, over the years. Nevertheless for some reason I’m still here, and I can see it as no other reason than the grace of God, of which I must be thankful, and would like to believe I am, indeed.”
You have acknowledged what Victor and Martin are teaching is the Truth, but you are accusing them now, foolishly calling judgment down on yourself. Did they teach something, or point out a sin you need to give up, but are unwilling to do so? Speaking from personal experience, this is the only reason one ever feels so defensive and behaves as wildly chaotic as you do right now.
There have been a number of people here that had demons, but they were never “discriminated” against or cast out by Victor and Martin merely on that basis. Some of them had sins opening them up to demons, chose to repent, and are now free. So you aren’t a helpless victim, Emmanuel, as others can attest to.
So what’s really going on? What are you struggling with? What has robbed you of the original hope and thankfulness you first had?
“As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.” (Matthew 13:20-22 ESV)
Braden, I’m of a different stance now because new things have come to light.
“Let the authorities, and not the subordinates, handle the matter.“
That can be arranged, Emmanuel. I’m still not convinced you’re repentant or sorry for what you’ve done to Victor and the rest of us here. There’s going to have to be fruits. We can’t just take your word here.
The first thing you need to do is answer Braden’s questions, honestly. He’s graciously taken the time to go investigate and find out who you were, and what you’ve been struggling with (Paranoid Schizophrenia).
(By the way, Braden might be considered a “subordinate fledgling”, but you’re talking to him. Do you see how contradictory you’re being?)
As Braden pointed out, if there’s a sin you’re still a slave to, you need to get honest and own up to it. Plain and simple.
Then you’ll be freed, just like so many others have.
Do desist and let’s see if Victor/Martin will take time out of their busy, work-mad schedule to have a public discussion – perchance there’s a few things they can learn better. We know they’re seeing this don’t we? What’s the delay, guys?
I’ve felt forced to do this. I don’t mind email contact but they refuse to reply – which in itself sends a message, and I hear it loud and clear. Unfortunately for them I will not carry out such a cowardly approach. Step forward, men. We needn’t do it here. Allow me to call you, if you prefer? Or video call? Whichever forum or arena, I don’t mind. If it’s you, Victor, that is sending these little fish to me, shame on you for not being the first on the battlefield, letting your infantry fall by the wayside. Come forth, cowardly lion. Come forth, tin man, for a new heart.
”If it’s you, Victor, that is sending these little fish to me, shame on you for not being the first on the battlefield, letting your infantry fall by the wayside. Come forth, cowardly lion. Come forth, tin man, for a new heart.”
You have come into the house of God accusing His sons. On who’s authority do you speak? What is your true name?
May God rebuke you Satan!
“What is your true name?“
Emmanuel is his real name. He’s been here before, Brian McDonald. Braden even found some of his older posts.
Mark11:28 “By what authority are You doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave You the authority to do them?”
I know Satan comes with Scripture. Nevertheless here’s another one: ”Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” John 7:24,
I’m not asking what name his momma gave him. I am asking Emmanuel: In whose name do you come? What is your name? You have no right coming into God’s House accusing His sons.
Stop hiding behind scripture and reveal yourself. In the Name of, Yeshua Hamashiach, who are you, and what do you want?
John 5:43, ESV: I have come in my [name], and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
Aside from my momma’s name, I don’t have any other ‘name’.
I am here, aren’t I? what more revealing do you want? Things I want to reveal, you wouldn’t understand – you would condemn me as demon-inspired/possessed, as you already are.
And I’ve already told you what I want – for a public discourse/conversation with Victor/Martin. Not necessarily public, but perhaps it’s better, so everyone can see.
And Brian, I’m doing my best to be transparent. There are those who come as anonymous, hiding their name/face, throwing insults and then running away. I don’t know what else to reveal? ..I know I’ve needed to submit, I find myself incapable of permanently doing so. Any submitting from me doesn’t seem to last – it was never was true yielding, I never wanted to obey.
Hey Brian McDonald, could you update your comment to have quotes and italics? It could be a bit confusing for new readers.
Sorry Nicholas, I can’t edit it. The little edit button is no longer available. I will be more careful in future. Thank you.
The edit feature is only available for an hour after a post is entered to help cut down on folks covering up or removing what they’ve said. I’ve added italics to the quoted portion of Brian’s message above.
So what’s really going on? What are you struggling with? What has robbed you of the original hope and thankfulness you first had?
I don’t know if I ever had genuine faith, or actual ‘original hope and thankfulness’. I often felt I was going through the motions and not a proper, devoted part of TPOT – fellowship, union, obedience etc. But I know V&M have been patient. Anything I had to share since I first came to this site – it seems I was just ‘going with the crowd’ and doing what I think ought to be done, in the way of addressing comments to the religious, and what not. And really anything I did here was not coming from a true place. I was a chameleon. I tried, perhaps rather feebly, to put away sin, and what not. But I don’t think I ever had a heart for obedience to God. I was and am still so stubborn. For so long i’ve struggled with sexual sin and it will not go away. Smoking has reared its ugly head again. Drugs. What else? Bad eating, chemicals, toxins, unclean foods. Theres likely to be other things i dont even know about.
Emmanuel, you won’t want to hear this, but I’ll say it: I believe you need to read back all your comments concerning Victor and Martin, like we keep telling you to (which you’ve so far failed to apologize for).
You can’t expect to condemn them and all of TPOT and then come crying about your vices and lack of faith, when you’re ignoring the abuse you’ve caused others today.
Emmanuel, it occurred to me moments before you responded, that not once in your replies did you ever mention the Lord Jesus.
Attached you’ll find all of the correspondence with Manny Okpanachi over the years. Each file starts at the bottom and works upwards.
Thank you, Ronnie. I’ve just finished reading through it all. Gosh, I don’t know where to begin. The insistent questions, over and over again only to be replaced with more questions and more after that. Manny, there are not enough answers in the world to satisfy your troubled mind. You openly admit to being a chameleon and a fraud. Going through the motions. Never having true faith.
Manny, we all have questions, a million and one of them. I know I have, but there isn’t enough time in two lifetimes to answer them all. We are called to walk by faith, something you haven’t really tried yet. You want the winner before you place the bet. It doesn’t work that way. From Abraham to Paul, it’s all about faith. As we walk by faith, God reveals the answers we need. We don’t then need to hear them from someone else or read them from a book. God/Jesus Christ, reveals them to our spirit. Yes, along the way there will be dark times and things we don’t understand but isn’t this where faith comes into its own? You have tried to run before you can even walk. You’ve tried to hike the mountain path without the map. You want the muscles without pumping the iron. I don’t know what you were expecting to find here Manny, but clearly, it’s not here. God called you here for a reason, I think to heal you, but you have just refused His every advance, and now, like a spoilt child, you want to trash the place on your way out the door. Go ahead, Manny, give it your best shot. It won’t end well for you. Why not bow out in graceful defeat and keep your mouth zipped before you pill more shame on yourself? Victor and TPOT and those with him owe you nothing. You’ve had your pound of flesh, now go your way.
I appreciate you posting this, Ronnie!
Quoting Victor “Genesis 12:3. We are Abraham’s seed. Let it be according to the Promised Word of God”. Amen!,
After reading the correspondences with Manny, a line from one of Victor’s songs comes to mind “There’s nothing left to say”.
Hello Victor! Grettings for all this community! My name is Verónica, I’m from Venezuela, but at this moment I live in Colombia, in Latin America. I am an adventist. I heard about this page because of my husband Nixon, and I’m convinced that was God himself who brought him here. When I started reading I felt sad and happy at the same time. Let me explain.
I come from a catholic family, and then when I discovered the adventist church, I thought that I had finally arrived from the darkness to the light. I realized I was wrong. When I started reading the biblical truths in here I felt sad because I thought I knew My Savior, but I must recognize that I was so deceived. I think that at some level, I had my “faith” in all the knowledge, and I must confess that from some time my soul was feeling that something wasn’t right, I was getting stuck, I was getting into a comfort zone spiritually talking if you know what I mean. When I started reading I felt sad, because I thought I was rich, but as a Laodicea, I am poor, naked and blind. But you know what? At the same time I feel happy that this sadness came into my spiritual life, because as the apostle Paul says, it’s a sorrow that brings to repentance, and now more than ever I truly and deeply understand in my soul that I NEED JESUS CHRIST, AMEN!
Victor, in the other hand I am really happy because God will bring all things to restitution, that is something so releaving to my soul, and it brings me a lot of happyness and real hope for my blood family. With your help I have discovered the true God of mercy and justice. I can say that reading the things written in this page make me feel like God is speaking to me directly, my heart burns the same way as with the apostles on the way to Emmaus with Jesus Christ! I am truly thankful because of your work done with help of the Holy Spirit, to make this page because I know it’s something that took you a lot of effort and time.
I also want to say that there are some things that so far I don’t understand, I mean, sometimes it happens to me that I read and I don’t understand some aspects, other times it happens that I read and a lot of questions come into my soul. But I will continue, I know this is the truth, I know that what you teach is biblical. I want to be truly baptised with the Holy Spirit. I know I must keep asking my Heavenly father His Spirit. I know I must continue reading and studying. I know I must depend more in God’s will. I know it’s all a process. When the time comes and when I’m ready, I will let you know my questions. But once again, thank you Victor for helping me find the path of truth!
I’m sorry if my message has been so long, but I needed to say all these things. I’m really excited for all things that I will continue learning from here. Now I have a deeper hope in My Redeemer.
God bless you Victor!
With love in Christ,
I too, was brought to TPOT by The Lord through my husband. You are correct, this is The Truth and Lord willing, you will see more evidence of that in your life as you continue to seek Him. Keep reading here at TPOT and praying. The Lord is faithful and true. Jesus said to those who believe in Him, “If you abide in my word, you are my disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Therefore, if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed” John 8:31&36
Thankful for your letter and your husband’s. Our job is to provide people with “a deeper hope in our Redeemer”, and not only that but an assurance of their salvation. All this by proclaiming the Truth that makes us free, which our Lord and Savior IS.
Hello Victor cordial greeting, I am really happy with a happiness that is inexplicable, that I had never felt before, I came to your web page investigating the subject of “eternal fire” and it was the most pleasant encounter of my life, I think of the love of God that he himself brought me here, the web made me very curious and I began to study it, analyze it, the more I delved into it, I felt an indescribable affinity, because in my being I always had the certainty in a natural way, about many aspects that you touch on the web, as the restoration of all things, the full hope of resurrection and salvation that only God can deliver as a Gift to whomever he wants. I am a Seventh-day Adventist, what I approach to this religion is that they kept the Sabbath, the truth was always clear to me that “keeping the Sabbath” was more Pharisee than anything. But, it was the closest thing to the truth, I came to your website and it seems that a light had pierced my soul, because this time I was certain that those things that I thought, but that I did notI dared to say for “religion” that it only instills lying doubts in people. Now I feel free in the Lord Jesus, your messages inspired by the Holy Spirit confirm it to my spirit, and for that I am very happy. God bless you always and this website full of truth. Amen
Good to hear from you, Nixon. You know this site is His, don’t you? May the Lord lead you home, safe from all error, and grant you to bear much fruit for His Kingdom. God willing, you’ll be in touch and share with us what the Lord is doing with you.
Thank you very much and it would be incredible to be able to share with you, now that I am freed from the weight of religion, God has truly manifested himself. For example, I love to read and study apocalypse and prophecies, the Lord has shown me how his plan of Salvation for all, is perfectly described by John in apocalypse and it has been something wonderful to be able to understand things so naturally, God himself leading on the road, I had never felt such things, the last times I went to the “Church” I felt only death and distance from God in those places, now I feel it with me wherever I go and it is truly transforming me.
Praise God, Nixon. My heart always told me something was missing in my church. (RCC). It was only when I was directed to TPOT that I realise it was Jesus Christ, Almighty God.
There was a “jesus” alright, but it was the one worshiped by this world.
Good hearing these things, Nixon. Keep on and make your calling sure.
Praise the Lord 🙂
As I understand, God is Love (and Goodness). He created everything, He is the beginning of everything. Does this mean that He created evil itself as well? And so that He is the reason evil / evilness exist at all? For example, lies did not exist before He created such a thing to be existing? And feelings of greed and envy and misery and anything negative, was it all created by Him? Was everything positive also created by Him? Or those just existed because He existed, and only the negative was created? Were emotions created? Death as well? Did He create death for a reason, and then to defeat it later on?
I understand Jesus Christ is God, the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. And there is no other, just one person, not three or three-in-one or whatever that one is supposed to mean. That He manifested Himself in the flesh on Earth; and He named Himself Jesus. Why did He name Himself Jesus? Was it already His name before being born in a human body? Or did He only give Himself that name from earthen birth on forward?
Kristina, this will answer some of your questions. Use the search bar on the main site with key-words linked to your queries and you will find other related posts.
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Isaiah 45:7 KJV.
Yes, I have already read that one, probably more than once, and mostly I understand. I’ve been visiting this website sporadically over the last few years, so I’ve read a lot of its content. Truthfully, I’m not totally clueless, but I wish for clarification. That is why I would like to see a yes or a no to my inquiries (and not just a link to a full explanation), just so I can be sure that I understood it all. Sometimes, simple yes/no answers are the best to clarify something. Yes, technically I know that God created evil (though I don’t know if he brought emotions into existence?). But I would like if another person, one fully with Christ and thus not likely to be misinformed, answered me that „yes, he did” or „no, he did not”. I may also have further questions. I’m sorry it’s basic and not deep, thoughtful questions, but in a world where there are weird (insane, possessed?) people like Kenneth Copeland or Jesse Duplantis, I honestly cannot be sure who to ask for truthful answers (the less I write about the so called pastors in my country, the better). So please, be patient with me; I ask again, requesting clear answers to all my questions from my first post.
Kristina, I will answer you, beginning with your first post, and if there’s anything more to answer in this second post, I’ll answer that, too, and you’ll know you’ve heard from God, in Whose Name (by Whom) I speak.
Lord willing, I’ll answer your questions. The answers you receive here are reasonable, logical, and true. They don’t contradict themselves or the Truth. That’s because they’re the Truth from God, Who is Truth. You’ve been given to come here.
Some of your answers are in your very inquiries here. For example, you say of God, “He created everything, He is the beginning of everything.”
Among hundreds of other supportive and harmonious statements of that Truth in the Scriptures are these:
Colossians 1:16-20 King James Version
16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.
And as Brian pointed out to answer your specific question that Isaiah prophesied:
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Isaiah 45:7 KJV.
That says it all, doesn’t it?
All things that exist come from a Creator. Is there any other Creator than Jesus Christ? Not according to the Scriptures. Everything that exists was created by Him, through Him, for Him. Emotions exist, don’t they? Doesn’t God have emotions? He’s creating man in His image.
How can we choose right from wrong if they didn’t exist? Who will make those things available to choose from if they weren’t created? Who but God can create?
You see, Kristina, those who do not know the Lord teach falsehood. They create a god in their own image, the kind they would like to have for themselves and not the One they refuse to acknowledge.
Yes, He created ALL things, including death and hell. And everything serves His Divine Purpose.
You ask: “Why did He name Himself Jesus? Was it already His name before being born in a human body? Or did He only give Himself that name from earthen birth on forward?”
Yes, that was always, and is, His Name, which is, “YHWH” or “Yahweh” or YAH saves. Jesus means, “Yah saves.” He is THE One and Only Savior of all men whom He is creating in His image. We are all going through a process He has subjected us to.
Thank you for your answers, Mr. Hafichuk. You’re right, I already knew this as the answers were in my questions, but it is so much better and relieving to see it clearly written down (in short), and push away any kind of remaining confusion. Though, to clear up about the emotions question; if God created emotions, does this mean that He did not have emotions before he brought them into existence? However, the Bible says God never changes (and has never changed). And since God is Love, doesn’t it mean that He always had emotions to being with and thus did not actually create them, since they already existed as He did? And I meant the positive ones (like love). So, He only created the negative ones?
I once knew someone who identified as a Jehovah’s Witness, she was my classmate, back in high school. She told me that God has always existed and will always exist. Now, I can imagine and somewhat comprehend the idea of eternity, of there not being an end to an existence, even though it’s a bit of an overwhelming thought. However, the idea of not having a beginning is a mind-twister for me. Since God is the Creator (of everything), it stands to reason that He Himself was not created in any way or form and thus has always existed. But imaging this and trying to truly comprehend it (of something/someone not having a beginning and having just always existed) is another matter for me, as I wrote, a mind-twister. The Bible starts with „In the beginning…”. Does this mean only the beginning of heaven and earth (and the universe) and six days later humanity? What was before? In one of your articles it explains that Satan was created around that time (the beginning of heaven and earth and humans) as well (and he is not a fallen angel in fact but a man). So, angels were created before the universe was created, yes? Where did the angels lived/existed if heaven was created the same time as the universe? Before, where did God exist (where did He live)? In another universe (that He created before this one)? Or, like, just in nothingness? Or some other plane of existence that we have no idea about yet? Or, heaven and earth in the Bible only meant space and Earth, and Heaven itself has already existed? (I’m confusing myself here with this.) If there are ages to come yet, is it possible that there were other ages before… before the beginning, I guess?
Kristina, I won’t be answering your general questions of curiosity. I’m not here for that. I’ll give you what God wills and what you need. It’s not about understanding God and His ways but of knowing HIM. It’s not about knowledge of things or knowledge of Him, but knowing Him.
Knowing Him, I have the answers for you but it will do you little good so I’d only be misleading you, and wasting your time and mine. We don’t want that.
The carnal mind (which seeks to understand on its terms with perfect inability), says the Bible, is at enmity with God:
6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
God willing, the answers for your questions are on the site if you’ll prayerfully read and ask God to give you understanding.
All things begin with God and are contained by Him. He needs nothing of what He has made or can make, nor has He ever needed anything. Nothing can contain Him, not even the carnal mind! 🙂 All of creation is a manifestation of the Creator, Jesus Christ, Who made Himself known to mankind and is working to reconcile all things to Himself in the fullness of the ages.
The answers are there, Kristina. Search them out.
You’re right and I needed to see it written down like this. When the Lord Jesus Christ decides it’s time for me to know, I will have the answers to my questions. I need to be patient and more worshipful, but sometimes it seems impossible.
I guess I was focused on emotions because I myself have a lack of them, more like a lack of intense feelings. My emotions are very distant all the time, sometimes I don’t feel anything at all. I’ve been struggling with christianity all my adult life. I don’t have a problem with faith, I’ve always believed God exists. But later on, I often felt like I could literally feel the chains holding me down and away from the Lord. That’s when I started really searching for answers, but I couldn’t read the Bible, the one thing that I think would give me these answers.
I went to a few congregations but I was not interested in attending them. I repented sincerely but nothing changed. Thus the search on the internet. I found lots of information on the web, persuading and contradicting, just making me confused most of the time. I found your website years ago, very different from the others. I liked it but did not really understand much of it. Now, years later, I find myself back, with a bit more understanding, and maybe it happened for a reason. Certainly, the way you often rebuke people seems more godly and useful than the sissy-footing others do.
This website did gave me some clearer answers and relief to know everything is according to Jesus’ plans. But I have no idea when He decides it’s time for me. The uncertainty can be devastating.
I don’t have anyone to speak about these things, the only christian in my family is my grandma, but she is rooted in the doctrines of the trinity and hell (and others), and I don’t wish to be deceived any more like that. No one else around me is really interested in the Gospel and my attempts on speaking about it with others were futile. So I’m left with only the wider world through the internet, which I found can be very dangerous indeed.
I don’t really feel sorry for bothering you with my curiosities, but I’m thankful you at least answered.
Good morning. I’m looking for a teaching to share with someone addressing how men of God don’t die of illness or unexpected tragedies. I remember reading it, but don’t remember where. Thank you!
I believe this may be the article you are referencing: God Heals Today His Way
Awesome, thank you
Jer 48:10 Cursed is he who does the work of the LORD deceitfully.
In my vision it was revealed that this ministry is just such a work of deceit. The LORD also revealed that His arm is not so short that He cannot protect His Word in the scriptures from man or principalities. The LORD revealed to me that you can humble yourselves, return to His word and His paths, not the paths of men and deceitful doctrine. You can repent. His Holy vision also referred to Paul Cowan and his work with this ministry of man. I have yet to have its meaning revealed. Repent now, take down your false doctrines and focus on the Word of God.
Can you describe your vision to us? Don’t you know that no prophecy is of private interpretation? (2 Peter 1:20)
Why then are you interpreting your own vision, couldn’t you have interpreted it incorrectly? Do you have any witnesses your vision is from the Lord?
Can you tell us which of the doctrines here are false and how they compare to the Word of God we need to begin to follow? Which Words of God are we not focusing on?
You also need to show us how the doctrines here are false.
Reynolds has a lot to answer for.
From all your teachings I have read and all the comments everyone has posted, I do not believe that any one of you is humble enough to receive correction.
And that is how you know who is mature in the Lord.
It is always going to be a “I know everything and you know nothing” type of attitude here.
Remember, ONLY JESUS KNOWS ALL…….
“Jesus knows”, how can you rightfully place yourself as a judge of knowing who is “humble enough to receive correction”? What qualifies you for that position? And doesn’t humility usually come from correction, not the other way round? I must say, it seems like you need to be humbled yourself, before making such indictments.
And if Jesus Christ knows all, what about His children, of whom John says, ‘But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things’ (1 John 2:20) ?
“The LORD revealed to me that you can humble yourselves, return to His word and His paths, not the paths of men and deceitful doctrine.”
[“I do not believe that any one of you is humble enough to receive correction.”]
So according to the “vision” you had, your lord revealed that Victor and others here can humble ourselves and return to his word and his path. Yet, here you are refusing to give us the specific instruction you received for us.
What teaching of Christ are we breaking? What false doctrines are we spreading. How do we get back to the path?
Come on, “jusus knows,” tells us what we need to know. Are you not in disobedience to your lord by not pointing out our error that we might return?
Victor you are a blasphemer you are not the Deuteronomy 18:18 prophet that prophet is Jesus you are leading so many people astray
You come in the same spirit as the hypocritical religious did in The Lord’s day. They couldn’t find fault with what Jesus Christ was teaching, but only make accusations based on Who He said He was.
You care to substantiate how Victor is “leading so many people astray” with what He teaches? Would you say these teachings are evil and leading people astray from God?
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Please keep your responses within one post, as you have been careless posting in 5 different spots on this page.
He says he’s a prophet referencing a Bible verse that’s talking about Jesus. He’s not that prophet. He’s not Jesus. But he convinces people that he is. And people falsely believe it. If that’s not the definition of leading people astray I don’t know what is.
I won’t create a new post I’ll keep my responses in this post.
As you said in this post: “I’ll answer your question if you answer mine.”
Are you going to take your own advice, and answer the questions presented: Are the teachings I posted evil and leading people astray from God?
Your using my comment out of context. I said that to Nathan Boulet. I might be missing something but were you even in that conversation?
The point of my quoting you, is for you to answer the question. You demand others to answer your question, but won’t answer others? Is that not hypocritical? Why do you keep deflecting?
Why have I had to ask you now a third time: Are the teachings I posted evil and leading people astray from God?
Yeah I would say so if they come from Victor.
You had some good points on repentance. Which is alright. But this prophet thing is too much. You said in another article you were living for baal (the self) and not God. But anyways do you feel something special when your around Victor? Does he have a family or anything? Do you?
We’re done answering your condescending questions.
You clearly think you’re smarter and better than us, but you won’t even come right out with it. You hide behind snide remarks, thinking yourself clever. You remind me of a high school bully. Poking fun at us, mocking us.
Why are you here? We aren’t forcing you to agree or believe, knowing it to be a gift.
If you aren’t here to be forthright, reason with us or have anything constructive to say, then leave.
Aaron, you really must read and watch. First of all, Baal is about the hero worship, not necessarily the self. You need to give the context of what was said.
Second, it really doesn’t have much to do with ‘feelings’ as it is in Baal or Ashroteth churches of the world with their flashiness and entertainment. I think you’re smart enough or alert enough to see those are false.
“ Does he have a family or anything? Do you?“
That’s very easy to check on and we’ve given you plenty already.
As for that prophet, you can literally search “that prophet” in the Search bar and find not only definitions but why. As Michael Condit pointed out, we’re not going to spoon feed you, and we’ve been more than reasonable and patient with you.
Michael’s right, you’re just here to play 20 questions and not get real answers. God doesn’t play those games with people, and you’re clearly not of God or you’d answer the questions we posed you.
Here is a comment link to a conversation that summarizes the idea of Jesus being “that prophet”.
You’ll need to first be responsible and read everything said on the matter (there are four papers), and secondly prove what you claim and refute what Victor says.
What you’ve given above is only your opinion, we can’t just take your word for it.
I just watched the I am that prophet video til 3 minutes and when he looks at the camera and says “I am that prophet” it just makes me sick I can’t watch it anymore. The dude literally looks like my grandpa who was a biology teacher for 50 years. Out here saying he’s the prophet from the Bible? What? It’s just too much
Aaron, like I said, you need to read all four papers on the subject before judging.
“He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him.” Proverbs 18:23 NKJV
So Victor is a false prophet because he “makes you sick”? You are relying on your emotions.
“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9 NKJV
You’re suppose to,
“Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding” Proverbs 3:5 NKJV
but you’re not doing that.
So Victor is a false prophet because of his looks and age?
“As they departed, Jesus began to say to the multitudes concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in soft garments? Indeed, those who wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses.” Mathew 11:7 NKJV
You are literally judging by appearance.
“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24 NKJV
If you condemn Victor for his appearance I can’t imagine what you would have said of the Lord.
“Out here saying he’s the prophet from the Bible? What? It’s just too much”
But in the same breath I bet you would also tell us if you were in Jesus’ day you would have recieved Him, and if you were in Noah’s day you would have believed him.
“For he grew up before him like a young plant,
iand like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows3 and acquainted with4 grief;5
and as one from whom men hide their faces6
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.” (Isaiah 53:2–3).
“then he said to them, “You like to appear righteous in public, but God knows your hearts. What this world honors is detestable in the sight of God.” (Luke 16:15).
To start with, I’ll be reposting my response from below.
Aaron, what makes people like you think that we have some kind of obligation to answer your idle curiosities? Are we answerable to you?
Do you think Jesus Christ entertained every loser who came along with invasive, ill-intentioned queries? If you read the Scriptures, you’ll find just the opposite. He knew their evil schemes and refused to answer them.
Even your nonchalant rhetoric gives you away. “Hey, so do you guys have a church or something?”
Why should we answer someone who has no respect for us?
You ask, “Do you have the freedom to disagree with Victor?”
What kind of loaded question is that? This whole forum is filled with people who disagree with Victor, yourself included. Are you not free to disagree? Why would it be any different for those that currently associate themselves with us? Hundreds have come and hundreds have left us.
What you’re really asking, is whether Victor will continue to feign fellowship with those who differ with him.
What does it say in Amos 3:3, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
That doesn’t mean we can’t be wrong about something, but it will have to established by substance and revelation. Why should we forsake what He has taught us to avoid forsaking the folks who come along to disagree with Him. That would be blasphemy.
Are you here to ask questions, Aaron, or are you here to question us?
It’s fairly obvious by your rhetoric, where you’re at.
Like Victor says here, identify yourself and ask direct questions.
Why should we permit unidentified people, who ask leading questions to waste our time. We have real work to do.
Now I have a few things to add.
Aaron, you are a troubling-making brat, here to intentionally mock us with your evil inquiries. We’re done with you! You’ve got hard times coming your way. Watch and see.
Now, everybody else. What on earth are you guys doing wasting so much time on such a damned fool? His contempt for all of us is palpable. It’s like getting into a wrestling match with a wild boar on his turf in the mudhole, instead of just using a gun. This Aaron guy is a straight up condescending jerk. Why are you answering his questions?
Do you like the sound of your own voices, or do you really believe you have some “Christian duty” to convert every pig that comes squealing?
When someone comes, let them prove their interest in the Truth by engaging in a fair and open dialogue before investing any significant amount of time with them. Read the Gospels again and you’ll see Jesus Christ continually avoiding the Pharisees and their evil loaded questions. He didn’t waste time with devils. He either rebuked them or ignored them.
If someone isn’t willing to identify themselves and they’re not willing to answer your questions even though they themselves are asking questions, then organize yourselves and refuse to continue the conversation.
Didn’t any of you notice that Aaron completely ignored Victor’s comment and mine? If he won’t answer us, why should any of you answer him?
You’re all just getting right in there to speak your mind without any collective responsibility for how many collective hours you’re wasting.
And you don’t all have to jump in on every person. If someone is having a conversation, then let it be unless you really feel you need to get in there. And if you do jump in, require these beasts to answer to the last person that spoke before asking ten more questions for them to ignore.
Why should you all give Aaron all of your attention while he ignores every single one of you?
It doesn’t matter whether someone is attacking the Truth or is truly and earnestly seeking, there’s no need for all of you to address the same guy while often repeating the same things. You can’t hardly expect the average person to be able to process or answer to that much communication.
Speak only what the Lord gives you, and do it clearly and concisely. Communicate with each other, so that you can spread your efforts out more efficiently, instead of just swarming people.
I hope you guys are getting the message here. I don’t want to get down on you, because I am thankful you’re all dealing with these jerks. These situations are object lessons for you to learn wisdom and discretion.
Learn to spend your time wisely instead of being led down a rabbit hole by a snake.
Why do you think the Lord taught His disciples to “wipe the dust off of their feet”? Spending far too much time on a certain task is often just as or more destructive than doing it poorly or not at all.
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Hear you loud and clear, Martin. Thank you for the counsel
Understood and amen!
I had been having similar thoughts to some of the points you bring up, but I wasn’t sure if they were right.
This helps, thank you!
Same. Was trying kids gloves w/ Aaron, but spent way too much time on him.
Understood, thank you.
I hear you Martin.
I gave Aaron the benefit of the doubt regarding his loaded questions, but he made it clear where he is at now.
By God’s grace, I’ll be implementing all your counsel.
Hi all, I hope you are having good days.
The reason I didn’t respond is I don’t think it’s worth it.
I’ve seen people far smarter than me and far more knowlegable of the Bible try to answer and debate you in the comment sections in other pages. The result? You continue to tell them how they are wrong and you are right until they leave, tired.
You think many preachers that preach from the Bible are false teachers.
You have problems with every person’s Christian beliefs that are not yours. Everyone else in the world. Why? Because in your mind, all those beliefs are wrong. And yours is the only ones that are right.
Why are your’s right? Because you believe that you have a prophet that is connected to God and God speaks through him. Therefore you have the source of absolute truth.
This is your logic
You have the source of absolute truth so you are right.
I don’t so I am wrong.
It’s pointless to debate with someone that has already made up their mind that they are right and you are wrong.
So this is why it is meaningless to debate with you. Why it is meaningless to answer.
The problem is not that we are not having a dialogue, no, it is that it is impossible to have one in the first place.
If you were interested in dialogue, you’d have answered our questions instead of presuming to be the only one with the privilege of asking them. It’s the same with all of you. Forever accusing and never answering simple direct questions.
This isn’t a forum for debate. We’re not here for that. And besides, who opens a “dialogue” with accusations of blasphemy? You’re full of yourself, Aaron. You can’t fool us.
You have ZERO interest in the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s the problem. You think the Kingdom of God is about ideas and doctrines, when it’s really about surrendering your life to the Lord, and you’re not even remotely interested.
Satan will have to deal with you.
We’re done here. Off you go.
You hit the head right on the nail Aaron !!
I also perceive absolutely no love, grace, or humility coming from these self-righteous, sinless people.
All their teachings are 100% correct, they have ALL kept the Law to the jot and tittle and continue to do so, and have absolutely no shame in telling others that they do not know Jesus and never have.
So there you have it…..the only group of people on planet Earth that have already been perfected, resurrected, have obtained their new glorified physical / spiritual body and are reigning with Jesus Christ right now in the new Jerusalem !!
Ronnie Tanner shouldn’t we just ban “jesus knows” too? He’s a pea in the pod with Aaron and his contradictions, why bother with another Aaron who quickly condemned us?
That’s right Alan, follow Big Tech’s model of cancel culture and censor everyone who posts Truth and disagrees with your false teachings.
Jesus knows Alan, Jesus Knows all.
Actually, Jesus Christ is now cancelling CULTs like the Catholic Church by bringing the sword or authorities on them like He did Artur Pawlowski.
You don’t care one bit, though – as Martin said, you’re still with the world in sin and bring only howling here. We’re just shutting you out because you’re wasting our time. It’s not ‘censorship’, but judgment coming your way. “Cancelling” implies you actually said anything useful. You did not. And you’re not a “content creator”, so you can’t actually be cancelled; you’re using the term wrong.
I won’t be responding to any more of your posts. I’m only writing this to hopefully make it clear to other jackals that might read this, that you’re out of line and deserve to get blocked and that you’re not using that term correctly, lest they try that angle.
Go away now.
Identify yourself, “jesus knows”. Which poor soul are you sucking the life out of?
The perceptions of the dead aren’t worth much.
Didn’t Jesus come to say, “I’m right and everybody else is wrong”? You would have been right at home with the Pharisees, mocking and murdering him for saying so.
You bring ZERO evidence and ZERO substance. All you have to offer is accusation and sarcasm, the fruit of devils.
Tell me, did you learn to act this way from the Real Jesus who knows? Are you on of His disciples, trained and instructed to behave as you do?
You’re just another howling jackal. So brave and ferocious barking from the shadows, but forever hiding from the light of day.
Run and hide yourself, the Day of the Lord is upon you.
I have a new mission. I want to understand you to your satisfaction. I will not say anymore of my points until I understand you, to the point at which you are satisfied. I will say your side back to you in my own words and then ask you to add what I am missing until you feel like I understand your side.
It seems like I am a jerk who asks condescending questions. I am prideful because I do not respond. It feels like I used you by asking questions that I didn’t really want answers to and making you waste your time in the process. I asked loaded questions, I did not want my questions asked, I wanted to question you. I asked a question, you gave me answers, and then you asked a question to me, and I didn’t answer you. It is hypocritical. It violates the rules of discussion. I called Victor a blashphemer, a horrible way to start a discussion.
Would you be able to add and show me what I am missing? I want to understand your view better.
I have no reason to believe you, Aaron, until we see fruits.
Believing you would be totally foolish considering your previous conduct. Like Charlie Brown believing Lucy won’t pull the ball away.
So here’s what I suggest.
Read at the The Path of Truth diligently for a while. You’ll find that all your presumptuous questions have already been answered. Use the search function to satisfy all your curiosities, instead of wasting our time entertaining yourself.
If you truly want to understand our view better, as you say, then you’ll be genuinely glad to search out the matter.
If the Lord has mercy on you and begins to show you your ugliness, then come and tell us about what you’ve experienced. We’ll know from the Lord whether or not it’s genuine.
For now, we’re done here. If you are the least bit genuine in your expression, you’ll respect this judgment and act accordingly.
Again, another “I’m right and everyone else is wrong”
Get over yourself.
Understood, Martin. Thank you.
I’ve been hanging out with my girlfriend and friends playing basketball and stuff have been busy and I’m tired rn want to go to bed I go to work tomorrow on the night shift from 7 pm to 7 am I’ll have time to answer your questions and points then.
I also appreciate your effort in giving detailed and thought out responses.
Hi Aaron, were we in touch last year? My experience of the truth is life changing, I was on a disastrous course before hearing God’s Word.
To the followers of Victor I ask, do you have the freedom to disagree with Victor?
And what will happen if you do?
Answer me this Aaron.
If Victor teaches the true doctrines of God (which I believe he is), are you not directly disobeying God?
Deuteronomy 28 does a good job of explaining the curses for those who disagree and disobey God.
There’s no followers of Victor here. Victor’s an excellent teacher. He’s a man of God.
I like the Truth that why I come here. I’m not sure if Victor ever asked or required a single thing from me.
I’ll answer your question when you answer mine.
From @nathanboulet’s comment.
“I like the Truth that why I come here. I’m not sure if Victor ever asked or required a single thing from me.”
I can second that, not that we need to do defend ourselves here. No one is by any means held here against our will. In fact, if you read the comments on other pages (especially the False Teachers index or individual false teachers like Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Paul Washer, etc, etc.) you’ll see most people drop a nasty comment and never come back.
They either can’t argue with what we’re saying, or their conscience is seared, so they try to argue, often without even offering any Scriptural evidence. A few argue on doctrines, but they’re easily found false by reading Diabolical Doctrines. See for yourself, Aaron. I can tell you “we’re telling the truth”, but unless you check it out for yourself, you’re not going to believe me or Nathan, or Victor or Martin or anyone else. That’s fine, because Victor doesn’t expect people to believe him (we’re not called to strive with people), but he firmly believes that the Lord is in control of making the seeds grow. He knows that all will come to believe the Truth in due time and be saved, just as Jesus Christ said in Scripture! Isn’t that wonderful?
Not sure what you’re looking for in terms of what would happen if you disagreed with him…..
Just tell him what you disagree with him about. I would just tell him if I disagreed with something he taught. He’s human and he’s reasonable. Clearly, he’s willing to explain and show you these things from the Scriptures.
Yes we have the freedom to disagree, just as man has the freedom to disagree with the Creator, yet in both cases it is only up to a certain time and point. If one does not repent of their disagreement with the Creator they will die, “unless you repent, you will all likewise perish”.
Likewise, it won’t go well for anyone who is in disagreement with Victor, a man sent by God, though there are many variables here.
“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.” Deuteronomy 18;18 NKJV
I don’t see any room for disagreement in there, do you?
Would you be free to disagree with Moses or Jesus? The disciples didn’t understand at first but eventually fell in line. Likewise those seeking after God may have issues or differences in theology but eventually, by God’s Grace they will fade.
If it doesn’t, those two aren’t of the same spirit, because the Spirit leads into all truth.
“Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?” Amos 3:3 NKJV
Those in disagreement aren’t walking together, one is right, one is wrong.
We are suppose to be of the same body, also known as The Church.
“fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.” Philippians 2:2 NKJV
Man’s disagreement is called opinion, because it is not based in fact. I believe you will find that your disagreements will follow suit, because this website is founded by the Truth Himself.
What exactly is your disagreement? It’s difficult to speak in hypotheticals.
I just saw that you had already said, a lot of what I said in my reply!
I was at work and typing it out as I was able to throughout the day and was finally able to finish and post it.
I red yours after I posted it. So it’s pretty cool to see that we had the same verses and thoughts here!
Further showing the verses we both quoted, to be true!
Aaron, consider these verses:
“Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.”
1 Corinthians 11:1 NIV
“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.”
I John 2:20 NKJV
“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.”
I Corinthians 2:14-16 NKJV
If Victor has the mind of Christ, which he does, then why would we disagree?
I suppose I could, but it would be stupid to do. It would be like pushing away a life preserver when I’m drowning.
Even if there was something I disagreed with, then it would be my responsibility to show where and why I disagree, backed by scripture and a Word from The Lord. But The Lord won’t allow two sets of beliefs in His Kingdom. There is only One Way, His way.
If I lack understanding, that’s no problem, I can ask The Lord for it and He’ll give it. But there is a difference in defiant opposition to The Truth and seeking The Truth and not understanding.
The problem would come, If I refused to let go of my “opinions” preferring them, to The Truth.
“Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?”
Amos 3:3 NKJV
I can tell you from personal experience, The Lord showed me some of what is here, before I was brought here. It was a confirmation of what I already knew to be true. This was His doing, none of my own.
To be quite frank, we are being brought upwards to where Victor already is. He is on the other side, He is at The Mountain Top. If I am also on that Path to The Mountain Top, then why wouldn’t I listen to the person who is already up there and knows what he is talking about?
Why should I presume to know everything and veer off into a dead end or worse?
But this isn’t something me or anyone else can force you to believe. But think about this, do you hear from The Lord personally? If not, you don’t have what you think you have.
Also consider this verse:
“fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.”
(Philippians 2:2 NKJV)
Jesus is not a God of division. He comes to live in those He chooses, giving us His mind. Making us one with Him. If we all have The Mind of Jesus Christ, would any of us disagree?
I’ve been learning from Victor, and submitting to him as an elder in the Lord and that prophet for almost 4 years.
The answer to your questions, is “it depends”. And mostly, it depends on attitude, and what the disagreement is about, as to whether or not there are consequences.
It’s all case by case. There’s no blanket statement here.
When it comes to matters pertaining to the Lord, it is a different world.
I have as much wiggle room for disagreement on those fronts as the Israelites did with Moses when the Lord spoke through him, using him as a messenger.
And yet, disagreements between believers still happen regarding spiritual matters for a time. Where the Lord has spoken by Victor, there are no “ifs”, “ands” or “buts” about it. One either believes, or doesn’t.
What few disagreements I’ve had with Victor, I was stepping out of line. I wasn’t, and am not in a position to point out anything wrong with Victor, and a few others here.
As for consequences, those are case by case too. Some are told to go their way. Some are told to stay quiet (that was me for awhile), but can stay. Some lose their authority or anointing (I’ve actually been anointed to speak at this point) to do this or that. Some, the Lord personally kills because rejecting Victor, they were rejecting Him (much like when the Israelites were asking for a king in Samuel’s day).
All that being said, The Lord could put me, or anyone here, in a position to correct Victor, in which case we’d be in disagreement for a time, and consequences would fall on him if he didn’t listen. But that hasn’t happened, and it may never happen.
All these things depend on what the Lord’s will is, and how He wants to do things.
Now that your questions have been answered, if I may ask you some questions.
Why do you ask? What do you think not only of my answers, but the answers of those here, following Victor.
Does it not occur to you that you have the freedom to disagree with me or you wouldn’t be allowed to post here with your lies and false accusations? Do you not see the hundreds, if not thousands of “disagreements,” including vile and vicious attacks against me that could have been taken down long ago or not even posted from the start? Why is it I’m not afraid, “Aaron”? Why am I not hiding? Why do I speak freely in public, fully identified?
Why don’t you? Does Satan come seducing and accusing in full view of who he is? Is he not the liar, the deceiver, the prince of darkness?
“Does it not occur to you that you have the freedom to disagree with me or you wouldn’t be allowed to post here with your lies and false accusations?”
Again, the old “you can disagree with me, but your wrong” attitude.
Don’t you ever get sick of yourself ?
Do you not understand that ALL THE MYSTERIES OF GOD have not been revealed to us like they have been revealed to you Victor ?
But be at peace, we will get there one day.
We will obey every jot & tittle of the Law like Jesus did, even in flesh, thought, body & deed, even in this life, just like Jesus did, then we will all be on the same page.
JESUS KNOWS ALL……
“4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered”
Do the thinking for yourself. Don’t listen to me, or the moderators. Do you think that the content on this site shows these qualities?
Absolutely this site shows those qualities. Unequivocally and verifiably so.
Could you make it painfully clear what qualities you think this site shows, if you’re able to confidently discern such.
Perhaps, if you disagree with me, you can tell me why, specifically.
Hi Aaron, you said,
“Hey so do you guys have a church or something? Like what do you do during the day what is your schedule out of curiosity“
We don’t have one. The Lord directs and certain things happen according to what He would have done in our lives, things exposed, places we’re lacking, even fellowship is not on a ‘schedule’. There are some videos
“4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered”
Do the thinking for yourself. Don’t listen to me, or the moderators. Do you think that the content on this site shows these qualities?
Do you think they don’t? What makes you so certain that your opinion expressed here is the actual truth? You quoted Scripture, but I haven’t seen the evidence that you’ve actually followed it – which you are required to do.
Aaron, you need to be responsible and actually read this site before speaking on it. You need to avail yourself to what the Lord is saying in these teachings, starting with:
Since you mention this Scripture, yes, the Lord IS Love and He has been kind, patient, merciful for 6000 years. However, we are in the end of another age, just as the apostles were. This is the Judgment Day, the Day of the Lord. Great for those who hear, believe and obey, and terrible (‘covid’, terror, disease, ruin, mullahs, tyranny, famine, etc.) for those who come here to express unfounded ‘opinions’. The people who come against this site do so because they have no love of the Truth and, unless they repent, they will be destroyed.
I’m busy rn don’t have time to answer just wanted to pop in and say I’ll answer these two replies tomorrow.
That’s fine. But we do wish you’d read some more of the site first before you comment. Everything on The Path of Truth is in agreement with the Scriptures you’ll find, and you’ll be liberated as you read it and act on it. If you’re not sure where to go, pray, and the Lord will show you where to go. He did for many of us – we’ve all had the same experiences. You will too, if you’re here to learn of Him.
Then, once you’ve red for a time, you’re free to ask as many questions as you like – however, if you’re diligent in seeking and reading prayerfully, the Lord will give you everything you need for now and in the future, as you need it.
Read the teachings here multiple times; it takes a while for us all to understand things the first time, so don’t let yourself get discouraged nor assume a first read you’ll instantly know everything or understand what we mean. The Lord has brought you here, so trust Him to lead you in the right direction and give you Light. You’ll need to obey in what you’re given, as well. This isn’t a standard nominal Christian site, I’m sure you’ve already noticed.
“Do the thinking for yourself. Don’t listen to me, or the moderators. Do you think that the content on this site shows these qualities?”
Aaron, you ask if this site shows the qualities described in
1 Corinthians 13, and by the sounds of it, you have already judged wrongly.
Your error is in your definition of what you perceive “love” to be. As such, you are thinking in purely human terms with all its mushy, sentimental, emotional claptrap.
True love, the type that both Christ and Paul espouses to the Corinthians and us, in the scripture you quoted, is free from all the mushy, emotional feelings and constraints placed on it by purely human standards. True love demands that we, and indeed all people, seek and speak the truth as it is. Some, like yourself, may feel offended by that but your offence taking doesn’t make you right.
What we have to say, and how we say it, is done in love, “True love.”
You expect us to feel sorry for evil and placate it. You believe we should be mollycoddling people who come here to attack the Word of God with their preconceived notions. You would like us to accommodate those who come spouting the doctrines of men and devils. You use the very Scriptures, the inspired Word of God, to condemn His servants by suggesting that they lack the qualities that Paul speaks of. These qualities are present within The Path of Truth, both on the website and in our conduct towards “His Body.”
The world has its version of love. It is a love where evil of every kind is tolerated and even calibrated, and God has His love. His love abides where the truth is honoured and respected by all. It demands that we correct and be willing to be corrected when error is present.
It is the type of love expected from all members of His Body.
This scripture you mention is exactly how we treat those in Christ. We strive to be all these things. Patient, kind, non-boastful. We are not proud nor dishonourable. We are not self-seeking nor easily angered. We keep no record when the slate has been wiped clean through the repentance that LOVE demands. We do not delight in evil, but we do delight in truth.
In keeping Christ’s Word, we are protected and preserved in the sure hope of everlasting life which He has promised to those who are faithful.
Tell me, Aaron, is this the love that you witness in the world?
Read the scripture again that you accusingly lay at our door, and then ask yourself the question: Do you think that your conduct and the conduct you witness in the world, shows these qualities? If you are truthful with yourself and us, I think you will know the answer.
Paul’s teachings were being directed to members of a fledgling church in Corinth and how they were to conduct themselves towards each other at all times. It was not directed to the world, because the world has its own version of love, a love that is incapable of such conduct.
So you see, Aaron, it is you who are lacking, not us.
Now, I would like to challenge your suggestion that the “moderators” of this site have somehow beguiled those of us now speaking with you.
Listen up, Aaron. I was directed here by Christ after searching in the world for something that wasn’t there. I didn’t come here expecting to be mollycoddled. I didn’t expect people to feel sorry for me or to rub ointment on the chip on my shoulder. I didn’t come as a victim, I came as a perpetrator. I didn’t come to clean, but to be cleaned. I didn’t need to be accommodated, I needed the truth and this is exactly what I have found here. You should try it.
I extend my hand to you now, Aaron, in love and friendship and with all the qualities mentioned in the scripture you quoted. Will you take that hand or will you walk back into the darkness of the world with your feelings hurt? Are you Christ’s, or are you just another one of the mockers who come here with their self-righteous bull-crap?
Here’s an insight from Michael Ediger, a Christian who studies theology and cults at
“A few years ago (around 2013) I was made aware of a group that called
itself the Path of Truth. Being skeptical of “off-the-wall” religious groups – and
having a keen interest in the cults since I was 15 years old – I decided to
check it out. Upon reading some of the articles on their website, I immediately
knew I had stumbled upon yet another cult.
My first (and only!) contact with them was a brief correspondence with
them regarding, first off, their article, “True Marks of a Cult,” and an even
briefer attempt at correcting their erroneous claim that Christians taught the
Trinity as “three gods in one god.” Regarding the cult article, I started by say-
ing that if the author (Victor Hafichuk, the group’s leader) had stopped at a
certain point, he would’ve had a good basic definition of a cult. Having gone
on about “marks” of cults (most of the ones he listed had nothing to do with
whether or not a group was a cult) and proceeding to claim that he had given
a “biblical” definition of a cult, it was my contention that he went beyond what
was necessary for a definition. Naturally, exception was taken at my slight
corrective attempt. However, on the question of the Trinity, I was taken to
task! The group’s view of the Trinity will be taken up later in this work.
As stated above, the leader of the group is one Victor Hafichuk. He
claims to have been called by God as His “end-times spokesman.” Hafichuk
says in his Testimony, “I do declare to you today, that the Lord has chosen me
from among men to speak forth the truth to all those Whom He has ordained
to hear, whether for good or for evil.”
1 He further claims that over time, he has received all of the gifts of the Spirit
mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10.
2 And, he states that the Lord exposed him to and separated him from “all for-
mal and organized religion, churches, and denominations.”
3 Sounds like the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, who made similar
claims back in the early 1800’s!
In perusing the group’s website, reading articles as well as comments
below the articles, I noted several characteristics of Hafichuk and his followers
that are typical of all cult leaders. More may be discovered during further
reading of the site, but among those I noted are the following:
1. As already noted, Hafichuk claims that God has called him to be His
(God’s) end-times spokesman.
2. He claims that God speaks directly to him, be it in dreams, visions,
or audible voice, giving him end-times revelations as well as the correct mean-
ing of Scripture.
3. Since God deals with him directly, Hafichuk claims that only
he has the truth of God. All others are teaching error. Thus, anyone who disagrees
with him is lost.
4. Along those same lines, Hafichuk claims to know who is and who is not
a true Christian – without any personal, face-to-face contact with them!
5. He tolerates absolutely no dissenting views or beliefs within the
group. Uniformity is the rule. His long-time right-hand man, Paul Cohen was
disfellowshipped in December of 2017, because (I assume) he did not agree
with Hafichuk’s teaching any longer. Further, Hafichuk is not open to the
slightest possibility that he may be wrong on any point of teaching.
6. He teaches that the Bible (especially the Gospels) has been purposely
corrupted. Only he has the complete, correct understanding of the Scrip-
7. He has no sense of proper hermeneutics. This is evident when read-
ing any of his biblical or doctrinal articles, as he strings together numerous
passages from the Bible – sometimes rather lengthy! – that are unrelated to the
question at hand. Yet, he attempts to show that they are all dealing with the
issue under consideration.
8. Rather than attacking another’s beliefs, he attacks the individual
personally. He engages in name-calling, belittling, and other like practices,
even stooping to the use of vulgar language in his tirades. All one has to do is
read the “comments” sections of various articles on his site to see that not
only does Hafichuk do this, but those who have been indoctrinated into his
cult follow suit.
The Path of Truth is anything but! It is a cult as dangerous as any
other, because it is nothing more than another path to hell.”
You’re welcome to search for yourself to see how much (if anything) is true from what Michael Ediger is saying.
Here’s the link to True Marks of a Cult:
Good point Michael. Search for myself to see if what Michael Ediger is saying. To discern if its truth or not. I’ll do that. Let me ask, How will Victor handle you if you have a different belief than him?
So far so good. I’ve been a stubborn person all my life and the people here at The Path of Truth have been teaching me, patiently, how to live. Things like eating organic, coming out of depression, exercising patience with coworkers, and trusting the Lord.
Prior to being here, I was in a lot of sexual sin, video games, bad relationships, bitterness and rebellion against my parents. It’s all been cleaned up, thanks to the Lord! Victor has counseled us, yes, but what it boils down to, is what the Lord is doing with us. There have been a few who have left, as you mention in that list. But more will be coming, some of whom left before, saying “no, this is not for me” have returned, like Isaiah Dillard.
I would have no interest in this website if not for God putting the search in me. Doing things my way was awful. I’m no better than the world, which I’m sure many will see is in chaos and confusion right now.
If nothing else, read or listen to Victor’s testimony. He’s laid it all out there, publicly. Then decide.
Do you have the freedom to disagree with Victor?
What would happen if you did?
Hi there Aaron. Thank you for getting back in touch, many don’t. Thank you also for your questions. I made a promise to shorten my replies to people as I sometimes ramble on a bit, so I will “try” to be brief.
I find it no small coincidence that we as a group have been talking about some of the issues brought up by you in the scripture: 1 Corinthians 13, and those made by Michael Ediger.
Now, you can choose to believe that we are presently engaged in damage limitation in light of what you have brought to the table here, but I would like to assure you that this is not the case. For instance, Victor and Martin produced a video recently where some of these very issues are addressed. God’s not looking for a performance.
As to name-calling. Sometimes passions run high. I have been insulted by many nominal Christians and websites for disagreeing with them. Ediger refuses to mention the names he was called here, simply stating he would rather not print them. What names was he talking about? Did someone call him a devil? Maybe a viper, or child of hell? Did they say that his father was the devil? I wonder where we have heard these names mentioned before and by whom, can you guess Aaron?
Maybe it was that other word beginning with a “B”. Maybe so, I’ve used it myself. I don’t see how that makes anyone a cult leader or member of a cult. In the interest of clarity, as a group, we have been discussing the name calling thing. It has also been brought to our attention that we should dial down our tone when dealing with certain people who come attacking us without any proof or substance. It was Victor himself who asked us to do this. Not that it is wrong in itself, for in certain circumstances, it is exactly what is needed and called for. However, for the sake of bystanders like yourself, we don’t want to scare people away before they have a chance to read and learn the truths within this site. So we can put that objection to bed.
I couldn’t possibly address all of Michael Ediger’s, “learned opinion” about TPOT. He’s the “expert” after all. (Self-appointed) He did say this though: “The Path of Truth is anything but! It is a cult as dangerous as any.”
Strange, I just watched a video link about the Waco siege. I wonder if Ediger thinks he is dealing with another David Koresh type. Let’s be real about this. Most of nominal Christianity could fall into Ediger’s definition of a cult. Look at the many erroneous claims made by the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) over the centuries. Although it may not appear so today, these claims are still held to be true in the official writing and teaching of the RCC. Consider for example the claim of the Pope’s “infallibility” in matters of faith and morals. His position as head of the church and his claim to be Peter’s successor. They claim the very keys to heavens gates and that there is no salvation outside of their church. Maybe Ediger should do a hit piece on them.
The point I am making is, going by his definition, any of the Christian churches could be viewed as a cult, and maybe they are, given that they are all the offspring of the RCC. And what of the Muslims or the Jews, etc, etc. The list is long, and Victor Hafichuk is by no means the only person claiming authority from God, so let’s put that one to bed also.
It would take a book to list all of Ediger’s objections on TPOT and to silence his “learned opinions.” Not only are we a cult, according to Ediger, we are also “Dangerous.” Considering all the crimes perpetrated by nominal Christianity through the ages, all in the Name of God, it makes one wonder where the real danger lies.
You ask: “Do you have the freedom to disagree with Victor”? Followed up by: “What would happen if you did”? I don’t know, Aaron. Maybe Victor would have us murdered and secretly buried at Harvest Haven. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)
Aaron, you don’t know the first thing about Victor or the TPOT. We are free to disagree if we choose. What we are not free to do is openly oppose his teachings, and when you think of it, why would we? If we disagreed to that extent, there would be no reason for us to be here in the first place. Can you imagine what would happen to a catholic Priest who disagreed with his churches teachings on the Eucharist or the virgin Mary? I would imagine it would be the same for anyone who would disagree with their church or even a civil organisation. We would be asked to reconsider our place. Would we be damned and consigned to hell forever? I doubt that since this is not a teaching we hold. The Christian churches on the other hand would be sure to include it in the envelope along with your P45. (End of contract)
I could go on and on, Aaron, but I did promise, and now I’ve done it again. I hope we have been able to answer your questions.
If you are being serious with us and would like to know more then feel free to ask. I can’t promise Michael won’t eat your head off but he is undergoing some puppy training, so you should be fine.
I am only going to pick one statement from him and show what’s wrong with it. If there is one thing untrue, then everything he says is called into question.
His list is meant to show how Victor is false. Number two on that list is this:
“He claims that God speaks directly to him, be it in dreams, visions, or audible voice, giving him end-times revelations as well as the correct meaning of Scripture”
Here is an example of God speaking to His chosen vessel/servant.
“Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Consecrate to Me all the firstborn, whatever opens the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and beast; it is Mine.””
(Exodus 13:1-2 NKJV)
“Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.”
(Hebrews 13:7-8 NKJV)
Hey so do you guys have a church or something? Like what do you do during the day what is your schedule out of curiosity
So, Aaron, would you like to identify yourself as I and the others do, or do you prefer to conceal yourself and keep your life while professing to worship the Lord Jesus Christ, Who counsels otherwise? Come out of the shadows, friend.
Aaron, what makes people like you think that we have some kind of obligation to answer your idle curiosities? Are we answerable to you?
Do you think Jesus Christ entertained every loser who came along with invasive, ill-intentioned queries? If you read the Scriptures, you’ll find just the opposite. He knew their evil schemes and refused to answer them.
Even your nonchalant rhetoric gives you away. “Hey, so do you guys have a church or something?”
Why should we answer someone who has no respect for us?
You ask, “Do you have the freedom to disagree with Victor?”
What kind of loaded question is that? This whole forum is filled with people who disagree with Victor, yourself included. Are you not free to disagree? Why would it be any different for those that currently associate themselves with us? Hundreds have come and hundreds have left us.
What you’re really asking, is whether Victor will continue to feign fellowship with those who differ with him.
What does it say in Amos 3:3, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
That doesn’t mean we can’t be wrong about something, but it will have to established by substance and revelation. Why should we forsake what He has taught us to avoid forsaking the folks who come along to disagree with Him. That would be blasphemy.
Are you here to ask questions, Aaron, or are you here to question us?
It’s fairly obvious by your rhetoric, where you’re at.
Like Victor says here, identify yourself and ask direct questions. Why should we permit unidentified people, who ask leading questions to waste our time. We have real work to do.
Well said, Martin. I felt this from Aaron myself. His questions are loaded. It’s as if he is here investigating us rather than any genuine seeking for answers. We have given him way more than he deserves at this point. I get the feeling he is toying with us. I’ve had enough and won’t be wasting any more time with him unless he comes clean and as Victor puts it, “comes out of the shadows.”
Jeremiah 50 (BBE)
36 A sword is on the men of pride, and they will become foolish: a sword is on her men of war, and they will be broken.
The first part of this verse made me think about all those that come blaspheming on this site.
God will reveal the Truth to all one day and what a day that will be!
I think of the man of sin within as well.
The swords are on, within and without.
Her men of war are definitely being broken as well. Its incredible to be a part of it.
All those that were trusting in their “governments” , their “schools”, their “science”, their “news”, their “churches”……
God is showing just how rotten all these apples are.
I had a vibrant dream last night and God sent me to this website. Does Ezekiel 13 mean anything to you? The dream repeated 1 to 7 and 20 to 23. It doesn’t really make sense to me, does it mean anything to you? I’m travelling and don’t have a Bible. I’ll check back in as I can, it may be a few days. God bless you.
We’d be interested in hearing about your dream, if that’s alright with you.
“God sent me to this website“
Yes, He sends many here to be judged, but also few to learn of Him and be cleansed from all sin! You’ve stumbled on a gold mine! Keep reading prayerfully, asking the Lord to guide you, and stay in touch. Lord willing, we may have more to say in correspondence.
The scriptures you reference from Ezekiel are accurate with the work of The Lord on this site, through His prophet, Victor Hafichuk
Exposing the false prophets/pastors, who many believe are true prophets/pastors. Those who say they are saving souls, but in reality are hunting souls for The High Places in Mystery Babylon .
Here are the scriptures from Ezekiel you reference from the dream:
Ezekiel 13:1-7; 20-23 MKJV
1 And the Word of the LORD came to me, saying,
2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy. And say to those who prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear the Word of Jehovah:
3 So says the Lord Jehovah, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, your prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 You have not gone up into the breaks, nor built the wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD says. And the LORD has not sent them; but they hoped to confirm their word.
7 Did you not see a vain vision, and speak a lying divination? Yet you say, The LORD says; although I have not spoken?
20 Therefore so says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against your bands with which you are hunting the souls there, to make them fly. And I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, the souls which you are hunting, to make them fly.
21 Also I will tear your long veils and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall no more be in your hand to be hunted. And you shall know that I am the LORD.
22 Because with lies you have saddened the heart of the righteous, whom I have not made sad; and have made the hands of the wicked strong, so that he should not turn from his wicked way, by promising him life;
23 therefore you shall not see vanity, and you shall not divine any divination. and I will deliver My people out of your hands; and you shall know that I am the LORD.
Wow, a lot of accusations there.
Do you care to bring forth any substance? Any evidence?
Or are you just going to, as is usually the case, throw around your accusations and disappear, expecting everyone to believe you, just because you said so?
If the latter, that’s not even acceptable in any court of law or really any decent conversational matter.
So do you really think that it’s acceptable to The Lord?
No Mr. Condit. God spoke to me in a dream and told me I should warn others about this cult. These are common cultist tactics. Like many others who have posted here, if I say I am a follower of Jesus Christ, you will say I am not. If I say that God uses me daily, you will say He does not. If I point to a bad interpretation of scripture, you will deny it no matter what the scriptures say. If I say I trust the scriptures of the word of God, you tell me not to trust the scriptures, to trust Victor. If anyone makes a point you can’t respond to, you use scripture for your counterattack. They will know we are Christians by our love, there is little love shown on this site. The scriptures speak of cults like this in Jerimiah 48:10 “Cursed is he who does the work of God deceitfully.” I don’t want you people to be cursed. Dissolve this cult and simply turn to God, all of you have a reasonable understanding of the scriptures, stop worshipping Victor Halfichuk and worship Christ and see what power you have in Christ alone.
If you compare this list to the responses to various comments, you can see teh cultist tactics at work. I can’t show you if you are unwilling to try to see.
I was reading these verses this morning and it made me think about this site.
Psalms 109 (KJV)
29 Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle.
30 I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise Him among the multitude.
How many people do we see utterly confused and shameful blaspheming the Lord and the work of His Hand?
We ought to rejoice though for He is Good and Merciful to us and is leading us out of that confusion.
Yes, Nathan, I agree. I have witnessed the confusion and blasphemy myself while answering people on Facebook. I marvel at the utter delusion of people, especially those who claim Jesus Christ. I ask myself, “Why can’t they see”? Then, later on, when I have had some time to think about it, I remember; and then I marvel at the mercy God has shown me by taking away my confusion. Indeed, we ought to rejoice and praise God.
Whoever it is writing the articles coming against David Wilkerson and Gods anointed men needs to stop being a preacher of iniquity.
The Lord rebukes you.
This is shameful and you have no right presenting yourself a preacher until you repent of this cruelty and for your working on the advisories (satan’s) behalf.
This is the best and Truest site, I’ve ever seen.
Tell us “Pastor”, what is false here?
“you have no right presenting yourself a preacher until you repent of this cruelty and for your working on the advisories (satan’s) behalf”
Agreed. Children of Satan come with all manners of accusation towards God with no proof. You offer none. You have accused the Lord of iniquity, falsehood, and cruelty.
No “Pastor”, The Lord Jesus Christ rebukes you.
You’re a presumptuous man James, with no clue what you’ve just done, or Who you’ve condemned.
You’ll know soon enough.
Says who, “Pastor” James? Let’s see what the Lord Jesus Christ, in Whose service I am, Whose brother I am, has to say to you.
Is this you, “Pastor” James Howard, or are you another with the same name?
”Whoever it is writing the articles coming against David Wilkerson and Gods anointed men needs to stop being a preacher of iniquity.”
Victor Hafichuk isn’t hiding from anyone! You can read his testimony and his life’s story at The Path of Truth! Read it, then tell us whether he is “working on the advisories (satan’s) behalf” or whether it’s The Lord Jesus Christ that has been working with him and in him for the past almost fifty years!
I tell you, you are the one speaking against one of The Lord’s anointed men!
“Pastor” James Howard, are you not going to respond? Is it not a shameful thing, and wrong in God’s sight to bring an false accusation against a man without proof? Victor has put his cards on the table for all to see and read. Where are your cards?
“needs to stop being a preacher of iniquity.“
Exactly what iniquity are we preaching, James?
And if we’re preaching iniquity (lawlessness) according to you, and openly so, then how can we also be of Satan if we’re rightly calling out David Wilkerson’s works as being of the Harlot, Mystery Babylon, Satan’s bride? Or is Satan more subtle than you take him for?
“This is shameful and you have no right presenting yourself a preacher until you repent of this cruelty and for your working on the advisories (satan’s) behalf.“
Satan isn’t openly cruel in religious circles. In fact, he often presents himself as a “good” man, well liked, well-dressed, smiling and polite.
“And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” (2 Corinthians 11:14).
Obviously we’re not here to try and coax you or impress you, but rather to level with you and criticize your idol so that you might see the error and be freed. Why then would, as it says in Scripture, Satan cast out Satan?
You’re not only not specific in your accusations of iniquity, but you’ve laid a false charge in public for everyone to see. God’s wrath is upon you, so much so that you’ll believe lies (you love to have it so, or you wouldn’t defend such an obvious conman, being one yourself, ‘Pastor’).
“The Lord rebukes you.“
You have no authority whatsoever with the Lord and your ‘rebuke’ is just showy chatter for your pals to see how righteous and noble you are in dealing with us. We however have been given an anointing to deal with feckless scoundrels such as you. All your attempts at ‘rebuke’ will fail because they were empty to begin with. You have no evidence and no idea what you’re talking about.
However, since we’re on the subject of charges, let’s start with this:
Are you not breaking the commandment which says, “You shall not take the Lord’s Name in vain” by calling yourself ‘Pastor’ when He hasn’t anointed you? (If He had, you’d get to the the bottom of things, rather than taking unfounded potshots, fraud) You are most decidedly NOT a Christian.
You are breaking all commandments. Let’s continue.
“You shall have no other gods before me” You are here defending a known scoundrel and liar; David Wilkerson is clearly your idol or you’d not rush to defend his ‘jesus’.
“You shall love the Lord with all you heart, mind, soul, and strength” If you are a false accuser with Wilkerson as your idol, as I have proven, can you sincerely claim to love He who is Love? NO YOU CANNOT.
“You shall not commit adultery” You’re in bed with Mystery Babylon, the Harlot, being a prosthelyte of D.W..
“You shall not steal” You’re stealing from your congregation their lives, making them twofold the children of hell you are, accuser.
“You shall not murder” – Obviously, you’re ignorant of the death penalty for false prophets. You really need to think before opening your mouth! Wow! You’re gunning for us.
“You shall not covet” – You cling to your title, one not given to you by God but by YOU; it came from your desires, not God’s.
“You shall not bear false witness” – Already established as true. You’re a rabid liar. Hurry, stop your mouth before you say something else defamatory!
“Love thy neighbor as yourself” – How can you do that if you’re going around on sites you know nothing about, calling people liars without evidence? You don’t care anything for your neighbor or you wouldn’t be calling yourself a “Pastor”, while sinning against us.
“Graven images” – As a “Pastor” you’re likely to have these all over the place. Even without those things in physical form, you’ve still broken this Commandment because you have broken one of the Ten.
James Howard, you are in serious need of repentance (change of mind and heart). You may have found some value from Wilkerson’s teachings, but that’s not even the issue here. You have yet to leave Babylon in the dustbin of history and she hasn’t come out of you. You’re still ensnared, big time. I hope this serves to snap you out of your religiosity which is an offense to the Lord.
We’ll see what the Lord does with you, but know that destruction is coming and presently happening to those who offend in the manners you and Wilkerson and any other false teachers are committing. You’re all criminals because you lead souls astray and they, being simple, follow you into the ditch.
Watch what’s going on with the “COVID” hysteria and “cure”. Bodies are dropping like flies (all of these are jabs). God’s wrath is real and he’s not happy with you or your ilk. You need to listen, not preach. So take the lower seat, apologize publicly (as in, right here, right now) for your unfounded bullshit accusations and start reading at this site.
Or perish. Ask yourself: “Would Satan warn me that I was breaking Commandments, or would he just feed me sweet-nothings and pretend all is well?” I tell you, the latter is what is happening all over Christendom. It’s insidious and horrid the lies people are believing about Christ. Well, they’re getting their pay for sure.
I just read the piece on Victor vs the Jehovah’s Witness and without knowing anything about religion I’m siding with the JW. Victor resorted to condescension and name calling, which is exactly what Jesus would do.
It’s because the Jesus you have concocted in your mind is a false image of the Lord Jesus Christ, God Almighty. Here are scriptures of Jesus calling the rebellious proud: hypocrites, children of hell, fools, blind, devils, and a dog
Matthew 15:7 MKJV
7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
Matthew 22:18 MKJV
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why do you tempt Me, hypocrites?
Matthew 23:15 MKJV
15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you compass sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Matthew 23:16-17 MKJV
16 Woe to you, blind guides, saying, Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor.
17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
Matthew 23:33 MKJV
33 Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
John 8:44 MKJV
44 You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Mark 7:27 MKJV
27 But Jesus said to her, Let the children first be filled. For it is not right to take the children’s loaves and to throw it to the dogs.
Why is the Truth condescending and offensive to you, as it was to those Jesus Christ spoke to? Are you not being condescending in your comment? Looks to be hypocritical judgment, Phil
It isn’t Victor Vs the JWs, it is the Word of God, Jesus Christ that stands against them and their manmade religion. If, as you say, you know nothing about religion, why are you even commenting on the piece? Surely it would give more weight to your judgement on the matter if you knew what you were talking about in the first place. As it stands, who would care what you think?
It would serve you better to read more here and ask the Lord to open your mind and your heart to the Truth instead of just dropping your unqualified opinions. .
Phil, can you quote where there was condescension and name calling? That would be helpful. There are four writings on Jehovah’s Witnesses, which one are you referring to? Unless you can show by Scripture, fact, or reason how Victor is in error, all you have is opinion. Even if Victor was rude that doesn’t mean he was wrong.
Did you mean to say name calling is not what Jesus would do? If your finding fault with Jesus I don’t know what to tell you, maybe you can quote the Almighty and show us how His Words are inappropriate or in error? That ought to be interesting. You might be the first person I’ve ever seen say such a thing.
“Victor resorted to condescension and name calling, which is exactly what Jesus would do.“
And with your sarcasm here, you’re not only coming against the Lord in Victor, but doing the name calling yourself (calling him condescending). You’re doing exactly the thing you pretend to hate. That attitude and spirit is why you’re so easily fooled by JW’s.
“ and without knowing anything about religion“
That’s an obvious lie. Everyone, even atheists know about JW’s. They’re one of the most frequently lampooned nominal Christian cults in TV, comics and other media.
That’s two lies now, Phil (if that’s even your real name; you won’t even write your full one, much less show your face). No wonder you’re sarcastic and bitter, loving your lies and despising the Truth that could (and would) save you! Why are you such a confounded coward, “Phil”, taking potshots at something you profess to “not know anything about”? It’s clear by your conduct, you’re in sin. Repent.
Victor did your pen run out of ink or better yet did your computer malfunction? If you are against D.Wilkerson & C.
Colon you have allowed a false doctrine to creep into your life.To answer one of your questions I pray for all the pastors
at TimeSquarechurch.If carter was wrong in any doctrine I would have known about it years ago.
Did you even read the writing exposing their error, or did you lazily just read the headline?
And since you presumptuously assume Victor has “allowed false doctrine”, have you taken the time to read what the doctrine actually is?
Your questions demonstrate you haven’t done this. Why is it so easy for you to make judgments without looking at the evidence first? Where as judgment has been made on David and Carter, with evidence and a witness from The Lord.
Why do you disobey the commandments of God, while thinking to do God a service? I just absolutely marvel at this hypocrisy. Will you actually love your neighbor, David, and diligently search out the matter? Will you go to your Creator in prayer, willing to be wrong and forsake lies that you believed to be true?
David how is it that according to you it can easily be possible for Victor to have allowed false doctrine to creep into his life, but you would have known years ago if any false doctrine would have crept into your life?
Exactly! An interesting catch, Sabine. Our opponents supply us with ammo from their own mouths if we are only observant and the Lord grants it.
You boast about praying for all the pastors at Timesquare church, but you come here and the first thing you do is mock.
Brother Jude had some things to say about people like you.
Jud 1:10 But these people attack with insults anything they do not understand; and those things that they know by instinct, like wild animals, are the very things that destroy them.
Jude 1:12 They take care only of themselves. They are like clouds carried along by the wind, but bringing no rain. They are like trees that bear no fruit, even in autumn, trees that have been pulled up by the roots and are completely dead.
They are like wild waves of the sea, with their shameful deeds showing up like foam. They are like wandering stars, for whom God has reserved a place forever in the deepest darkness.
Jud 1:14 It was Enoch, the seventh direct descendant from Adam, who long ago prophesied this about them: “The Lord will come with many thousands of his holy angels to bring judgment on all, to condemn them all for the godless deeds they have performed and for all the terrible words that godless sinners have spoken against him!” These people are always grumbling and blaming others; they follow their own evil desires; they brag about themselves and flatter others in order to get their own way.
Jude 1:17 But remember, my friends, what you were told in the past by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. They said to you, “When the last days come, people will appear who will make fun of you, people who follow their own godless desires.”
These are the people who cause divisions, who are controlled by their natural desires, who do not have the Spirit.
Jud 1:20 But you, my friends, keep on building yourselves up on your most sacred faith. Pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, and keep yourselves in the love of God, as you wait for our Lord Jesus Christ in his mercy to give you eternal life.
Show mercy toward those who have doubts; save others by snatching them out of the fire; and to others show mercy mixed with fear, but hate their very clothes, stained by their sinful lusts.
Will you repent, or go your way, David?
Is that the Good News translation? I’ve never heard it like that before, way easier to understand.
Yes it is. E-sword is a good tool to have many translations side by side.
Sorry didn’t mean to hit the down hand.
No problem, not important in the long run. Better to focus on the content and what the Lord has given you to read here.
How are things going, Brooke, with your readings?
Is Irvan Baxter End Time miniseries a false doctrine?
I think your questions is answered here.
You can also learn to identify false teachers by Diabolical Doctrines and The True Marks of a Cult.
To add to what Michael gave, Also read The Man of Sin, part 1
Here are the Words of The Lord
Luke 17:20-24 (MKJV)
20 And being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation.
21 Nor shall they say, Lo here! or, behold, there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within
22 And He said to the disciples, The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you shall not see it .
23 And they shall say to you, Lo, here! or, behold, there! Do not go away, nor follow.
24 For as the lightning which lights up, flashing from the one part under heaven, and shines to the other part under heaven, so also shall the Son of man be in His day.
The Path to Truth
If we face truth with an eagle stare,
an unwavering poise, a consistent flair,
the ego’s power will lose its appeal,
the barriers of adversity will surely yield.
There’s a reason we avoid what IS,
and why we miss this wonderful bliss;
it’s because the path to truth is beset with pain,
and an apparent illusion you’ll never gain.
As you advance along this path,
the devil’s duality increases his wrath,
the walls of your sufferings enlarge and grow
because the person you are is there for show.
Truth is divided by life’s contradictions,
confusing paradoxes, and mental conflictions.
These increase the further you go,
hindering your ability to perceive and know.
These conflictions are there to deceive,
blocking your way to truly receive.
It’s a battle of wills between the ego and you,
conning you always to halt what is true.
The cause of why we don’t understand
the myriad forms of God’s great hand,
is because we are biased in a personal way.
“My view sticks and it’s here to stay!”
These conflicting opinions between you and me,
are both right and wrong. Can’t you see?
Our relative standpoints are truth in disguise,
the devil in drag who uses your eyes!
If only you could endure with a patient ear,
truth above all would become clear.
It seems only an answer, not truth, is what we desire;
any settled opinion to that we aspire!
This path you must follow is one lonely track,
but once you begin, there’s no turning back.
It’s a fascinating feeling this road of uncertainty:
the path to truth that leads to eternity…
If you knew who you were talking to, you wouldn’t do this, Tony. Are you at all familiar with the major contents of TPOT? This is the Lord’s site. If you receive Jesus, you receive the Father, and if you receive me, you receive Jesus Who sent me.
I think you’ll discard your pretentious preachy poems when you ask the Lord Jesus Christ what is happening here. An appropriate link for you:
To the fellow active followers of TPOT:
I have recently made the decision to withdraw from the Catholic University I was attending (St. Louis University). I had been thinking about doing this for a while, but after consulting with Victor, I was assured that it was the right thing to do. I am looking to move away from the city to somewhere else that is more rural. Although I wouldn’t mind moving to a new place and living on my own, I think it may be a better option to move somewhere that I could have fellowship with other servants of the Lord, if He opens up that possibility to me.
If there is anyone who would be interested in taking me into their community, let’s get in touch.
Contact info– cell: (414) 731-4326 ; email: ChampBeau@protonmail.com
WOOOOOOOOO!! I don’t say it often but HALLELUJAH!
I’m predominantly around Carrolton GA if you need any help, Lord willin I’ll do what I can.
Thanks Nicholas, I’ll keep that in mind.
Consider Texas, my brother. There is work around Spring, Houston, Tomball, and other places that may be suitable.
Or is this location too hot? Regardless, Texas is populated with more TPOT than other states. It is rural too, with forests, plains, and more.
Hey Alan, Texas is definitely an option I’ve been considering. It does seem like a great place to live though, somewhat foreign to me as a Wisconsin native. I will certainly take it into consideration as I look to the Lord for His guidance.
Also, if at any time you’d like to get to know each other’s story, you’ve got my phone number. Same goes to you Nicholas and anyone else who sees this. I’ve got plenty of time on my hands.
Glad to see you left the University! I was getting my master’s in counseling when I was first brought here. The Lord revealed just how wrong it was to me. I’m thankful, it was a burden lifted, I was only doing it because I thought it’s what I was “supposed” to be doing.
Another fellow Texan here. I live in Magnolia, Texas. This is about an hour outside of downtown Houston.
As Alan said, there are a lot of rural parts of Texas out this way. It’s very pretty. The weather this time of year is nice as well!
So, if The Lord does send you out this way, there are plenty of us here to help give you some information on it!
If you friend me on Facebook, that’ll be easiest as we can chat on messenger, or if anyone else is interested we can do a group call to share what the Lord has done with us.
Saturdays are the best time for me to have any lengthy conversations, as I work almost nonstop the other 6 days.
I don’t have Facebook but a group call sounds like a good idea. We could set up a Zoom call for this Saturday.
Ncarpenter1492@gmail.com is my email.
You can go ahead and send me something so we can connect and we’ll go from there.
Same for you Jason.
I sent my email, but the comment is waiting approval.
Any other ideas for getting in touch?
I think a group call is a wonderful idea. I would love to meet and share with everyone else. Count me in.
It was a great call, everyone, I’m thankful for it. There is a lot of similarity for how people came to TPOT at first, and it is notable that people actually repented of sin. How amazing. Other churches we’ve been to have people making effort, or no effort, to change, and they didn’t.
But when people came to TPOT, confessed their sins to men of God, then was there healing. People had a change to no longer want sin, to no longer sin. Maybe it wasn’t quick, but it happened.
Meanwhile, the big trend in the world is as Isaiah said: People taking a dump on the Law while praising Jesus Christ. It’s true, we see people doing such abomination all the time, but where is their shame?
So, of course, we have so much delight in talking of how to battle the detractors that come to TPOT.
Praise God for what He’s doing.
I red Psalm 85 right before bed because that’s just where I was at, and is very applicable to last night’s meeting.
I’ll include it at the bottom of this comment for everyone.
There was mention of another meeting perhaps next Sabbath.
I’m not opposed to it, as there are many people that didnt make it.
Maybe we can plan for 2-3 weeks out so anyone who needs to can make sure they’re available, and it will give more time for everyone to hear about it.
Or, just have that Zoom call every Sabbath till the Lord calls it off.
Thank you Father for last night’s call, and as you will, may there be more, or none.
Here’s that Psalm.
Psalm 85Amplified BiblePrayer for God’s Mercy upon the Nation.To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of the sons of Korah.85
O Lord, You have [at last] shown favor to Your land [of Canaan];
You have restored [from Babylon] the captives of Jacob (Israel).
You have forgiven the wickedness of Your people;
You have covered all their sin. Selah.
You have withdrawn all Your wrath,
You have turned away from Your burning anger.
Restore us, O God of our salvation,
And cause Your indignation toward us to cease.
Will You be angry with us forever?
Will You prolong Your anger to all generations?
Will You not revive us and bring us to life again,
That Your people may rejoice in You?
Show us Your lovingkindness, O Lord,
And grant us Your salvation.
I will hear [with expectant hope] what God the Lord will say,
For He will speak peace to His people, to His [a]godly ones—
But let them not turn again to folly.
Surely His salvation is near to those who [reverently] fear Him [and obey Him with submissive wonder],
That glory [the manifest presence of God] may dwell in our land.
Steadfast love and truth and faithfulness meet together;
Righteousness and peace kiss each other.
Truth springs from the earth,
And righteousness looks down from heaven.
Indeed, the Lord will give what is good,
And our land will yield its produce.
Righteousness will go before Him
And will make His footsteps into a way [in which to walk].
I want you to know you made the right decision.
My husband was a priest for one year and left. He said he couldn’t find God their. It was the best thing for him He found Jesus and has served him since. All though he did cost him with his family but the Lord has given him more in the security of Jesus.
I’m sorry to inform you that Christian didnt make it. He blasphemed the Lord, then went his way.
You can see the details if you put “Christian blasphemes” in the search bar.
How are you though? Are you still reading here? I haven’t seen you around if you have.
On a good note a few of GODS messages: GOD told me (Wallace C.): JESUS NEVER KILLED, (HE Always Did Good Works.” )
So, if any of the Savior Jesus Reborn Again Ones are in the Military, or on the Police force, or being trained to kill. Ayyyyy, blank blank (no swear word thought of) . You got your Sins forgiven, and you Deny Salvation to another Sinner WHOM GOD LOVES??
Wallace, Jesus did not speak to you. Have you not red Exodus and how God killed, both Egypt and Israel? How about why did Judah’s sons die?
And does it make sense that David was a man after God’s Heart?
These are things for you to consider, for you do not know Him.
Can you phrase this differently?
I can’t understand what you’re saying or what you’re trying to say here.
Regarding Book of Job, chapters 1 & 2.
In both chapters we read and are told GOD allowed Satan into the Kingdom of God in Heaven.
GOD asked Satan (a known liar and the Father of it) a question: Whench comist though. And Satan told GOD the truth of where he came from (that’s a doozee. Satan telling the truth!!)
Nutts with explaining.
GOD SENT HIS HOLY MALE ANGEL TO TELL ME: SATANS MY ENEMY and NOT MY FRIEND (that was decades ago.)
My 2 cents input: GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD. WHEN? AFTER HE GOD GAVE SATAN PWRMISSION TO SIN. TO HARM JOBS FAMILY???
GOD IS NOT EVIL.
GOD HATES SIN
Wallace, you’re in deep confusion. God sent Satan to teach Job that only God is good and that Job’s righteousness was not the same as God’s Righteousness. The whole experience was designed to take Job to a higher place in his spiritual walk. In fact, in the book of Job, you can see that it was planned and God allowed it to happen.
“that’s a doozee. Satan telling the truth!!”
Actually, Satan speaks the truth all the time. The issue is he mixes it with enough error to kill, starting at the Garden of Eden, when he asked “Really? God said that?” Or in your favorite KJV, “Yea? Has God said…?”, causing Eve to doubt God. What Satan said was truth, mixed with error.
If Satan spoke obvious lies all the time, then how can He be be described as the most subtle of beasts?
GOD IS NOT EVIL.
GOD HATES SIN”
“Nutts with explaining.”
That’s where you’re wrong. You need to explain why you’re here and, if you find fault, explain that too. But first, you need to read more here and ask questions. Little of what you said makes sense (partial sentences jammed together), so, at least to me, it’s difficult to make out what your point is (particularly the killing part).
Michael, your totally out of your FREAKIN mind.
GOD told me: GOD HATES SIN.
GOD told me: GOD HATES LIARS.
GOD told me: GOD HATES LIES.
GOD told me: SATANS a Liar, and GOD won’t Forget.
It’s obvious, YOU cannot UNDERSTAND what GOD / JESUS stated: Go and SIN NO More, and RESIST SATAN.
There’s lots of SATANS lies in them BIBLES in this world.
GOD LOVES YOU MICHEAL, BUT GOD AN’T CORRUPT, NOR BLIND LIND YOU
WITH YOUR THINKING MICHEAL: GOD USED A 100% KNOWN LIAR TO (DO A WORK FOR A HIM. GODS A GOD WHOM CANNOT LIE??)
Who’s the one whom an’t thinking in his right mind here Micheal?
WHAT DOES GODS COMMANDMENT of THOU SHALT NOT KILL MEAN TO YOU MICHEAL?
WHO’S A KNOWN MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNIBG WHOM DIDN’T ABODE IN THE TRUTH: SATAN or GOD / JESUS.
Wallace, you make it sound as if Satan is somehow independent of God and can do whatever he likes. He is subservient to God.
He is YOUR adversary, not God’s.
When he appeared with the other sons of God in heaven, he didn’t just gate-crash the board meeting, he was summoned to give an account. Satan is still subject to God’s authority.
“God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning, the sixth day”. Genesis 1:31. NIV.
Was Satan not also created by this time, and yet here we have God saying that it was “very good”?
Do you honestly think that Satan could have rebelled without the foreknowledge of God. Would God not have put an end to Satan there and then if He had seen something in him that wasn’t meant to be?
Also, God created volcanos with fiery lava pouring out. He created mountains with shear drops offs hundreds and thousands of feet deep. He created everything.
Now think about it…Any of these things can kill a man, does that mean they are not good? When God saw that everything He created was “very good,” it was good for the reason He intended for, not because it was “good” in itself.
He, Satan, is here to try those who are on their way to becoming Sons of God. You, by your actions here, are helping him in his task, but that’s okay, we welcome the challenge.
Humble yourself Wallace, and God will put an end to the pain and confusion in your heart.
Wallace, stop shouting people down. You need to calm down and humble yourself, confessing you’re wicked.
I don’t think anyone of us would disagree here that God hates sin.
Satan is a liar and He will be judged, corrected and shown mercy.
In regards to lies and liars, what do you say about Abraham lying about his wife, being his sister?
Would it upset you to also learn that God will also have mercy and save satan
“For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.”
Colossians 1:16-20 NKJV
Satan was created by God and is therefore one of those “things”
How do you reconcile all of this with your current understanding of the way things are?
perhaps, it’s time to consider you are wrong. Which you are.
”…Let God be true but every man a liar…”(Romans 3:4)
Dang, that’s what I get for not proof reading.
RE: GOD USED A KNOWN MURDERER.
Should have this at the end after murderer? (a question mark) so no one gets the wrong impression that GOD actually USED A KNOWN MURDERER for His PURPOSE. that’s like GOD using a continuing rapist working for GOD while raping women along the way. NO, NO, NO, NO!!!
According to your comments on this page, (including your ramblings about killing), God is Satan and Wallace is greater than God. According to Wallace, God couldn’t possibly use evil men to work evil on other men to chasten them. God couldn’t possibly send the Allies to kill the Nazis. Wallace forbid!
You come into another person’s home mocking, raging, stumbling and slurring your words like a drunk while walking around the house with your dirty shoes on.
You come here drunk on the wine of Mystery Babylon’s fornication
Revelation 17:2 KJV
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Proverbs 20:1 KJV
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
It’s time to sober up, shut up and listen. It’s time to stop being a fool, as we aren’t interested in entertaining your foolishness. You are not demonstrating God’s (Jesus Christ) character, but god’s (Satan) character with your @ handle. You are not hearing from God, but the devil.
If you want freedom from darkness, we are here to help, but if you are trying to teach us that your darkness is light, then go your way.
Humble yourself, Wallace. We are willing to feed you, but only if you hunger for it. Right now, you are showing you are full.
If you want The Truth and understanding, sober up, be prayerful and start by reading The Purpose of Evil and The Wrath of God
I can answer on them questions you posed earlier.
Whose in his right mind? Not you.
What does “thou shalt not kill” mean? It means “thou shalt not murder”.
God is always justified when He kills. Have you even red Exodus?
Don’t you know Jesus and the Father are one? That Jesus is the Father?
Jesus killed Pharoah, and ordered the genocide, down to the babies, of entire countries.
He is the God that believers worship.
I the Lord create light and darkness, bring both good and evil. I the Lord do all these things.
He does EVERYTHING!
So stop worshipping your bitch of a God who wouldnt kill a fly. Your jesus will only take you to your grave and rape you on the way, as he has obviously done already.
Repent of your drunken sins which Isaiah has laid out, or Jesus Christ will be killing you as well.
And to your phony demon jesus, go back to hell. We’re done putting up with your shit.
Now is the time to deal with it.
And Wallace, if you want to, go with him. You’ll know soon enough that the Truth was spoken here.
Several others have already spoken to you.
Brian lays it out very well for you. I would just like to add further emphasis on what Brian discussed, about God creating satan.
You seem to be upset that God uses a known murderer. As pointed out, God created him and He created him as as he was, a “known murderer”
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
John 8:44 KJV
So if you’re upset at the notion of satan being used. How much more will you be upset that God created Him that way?
Going a bit beyond what Brian said here, satan comes through men. The same men He goes on to save.
Jesus rebuked satan in Peter.
“But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.””
Mark 8:33 NKJV
Saul was of satan before God turned him around and converted him.
“Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven.”
Acts 9:1-3 NKJV
Saul was murdering the saints, He was a Pharisee. He, before his conversion, was of his father the devil.
God saved Saul (Paul), while he was a child of satan, at enmity with God. Was not God using Saul as a murderer for a time, to persecute the saints, to try their faith and then in His Goodness saved Paul too?
Wallace, God is responsible for everyone’s death; He Himself kills them, as He has from the very first. He killed Adam when Adam ate of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Isn’t that why Satan could appear before the Lord when the Sons of God approached Him? Adam, in his sin, separated himself from the Lord and his birthright, supplying the opening for Satan to usurp Adam’s authority as the ruler of this world. Satan came before the Lord with the Sons of God because he had the authority to do so, according to all the Lord purposed.
Can you hear it, Wallace? You can’t because you’re filled with the spirit of Satan, still under the power of sin and death, of the world. The first Adam has to be translated before you’ll be free to be filled with the second Adam, knowing as He knows, having His mind, being led into all truth by the Spirit of Lord Jesus Christ at work in you.
#1, In the Book of Job, Chapters 1 & 2. Why DID GOD, OUR SIN HATING, LIAR HATING, LIES HATING, LUSTING of A WOMAN HATING GOD ALLOW HIS ENEMY SATAN (a known Murderer as GOD / JJESUS puts it) INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD??
Read: The Origin and Identity of Satan
The answers to your questions: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/purpose-of-evil.htm
Because since Satan use to be the highest Cherubim, being Lucifer (which he still is), had great power in Heaven. He still has some power, in that he may visit God and talk to him. In Revelation, that is when Satan will be fully cast out of heaven in which he is on Earth for 1000 years, which is when the Millenium occurs. After he is cast out, he will then receive eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire.
What’s your purpose for being here, Edison? To seek The Lord or strive?
Right now it appears to be the latter
Edison, let’s slow down here. I understand you have heard many fables and believed them to actually be history. No problem. Many did so, but they’ll change their minds.
So here’s an exercise for you: Go and support your comment with Scripture quotes. It would make your comment far better, if you can find them. If you can’t, then reconsider your stance publicly, we’d be happy to hear it.
I am truly astonished and amazed at how many people actually believe this man’s teachings…we are warned by Jesus himself of false prophets and doctrines of this sort…..
Oh yeah, totally, I saw him posting a YouTube series on the Law of God, and he had a thumbnail image of Jesus. Didn’t he know the Second Commandment?
Oh, wait, that was some other guy named Rex. You’re talking about Victor? Victor who has seen Jesus and published his life story?
I am so touched by your patience to hear us out and show how we’re wrong, Most Holy William. Your two sentence statement has really exposed everything.
Which teachings do you not believe that you’ve read here?
Excellent question to darkness, whose very existence is absence of Light.
What have you come across that is unscriptural?
Can you please provide evidence of this as opposed to making comments, slanderous in nature, with out proof.
Jesus certainly did warn of false prophets and doctrines of devils, which by the Grace of God, I know I’ve come through to find the Truth. I know others here have also experienced the same thing.
Were not the Pharisees “truly astonished and amazed” at the teaching of Jesus? Will-I-am, why don’t you tell us which teaching you are amazed at, and then we can talk about it. Coming round here shooting your mouth off proves only one thing. You are a modern day pharisee who places more value on his own misguided understanding of the scriptures, than he does in the word of Jesus Christ. I am neither astonished nor amazed at your rotten attitude toward Victor, a man after God’s own heart. Like the Pharisees of old, you have no heart for the truth.
I’m sorry…you lost me when you confessed in your video that you were ‘that Prophet’…
We are no longer ‘looking for’ or ‘will be’ anymore prophets like Moses or John the Baptist or Jesus. To all who have repented and believe, we have been transferred from the domain of darkness to the Kingdom of the Son for the glory of the Father. It does lessen your credibility of your teachings and also put you in the category of false teachers. I pray the Spirit guides in all truths. We all are priests and living temples in the body of Christ, and all should shine the Father’s light (right-rulings/righteous judgment) on the lampstand and not under a basket.
Kim, nothing you’ve said means anything.
You just proclaimed your opinion like it was issued from the Throne Room of God, and then followed it up with unrelated religious phrases.
Can you tell us from the Scriptures why you’re so confident that your opinion is based in Truth?
Bring forward your evidence. Don’t just spew out some religious foam, and then call it a closed case.
Do you judge apostle Paul as a false teacher?
Ephesians 4:11-13 MKJV
And truly He gave some to be apostles, and some to be PROPHETS, and some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. And this until we all come into the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
So do you also believe there is no longer evangelists, pastors and teachers? Did God do away with them because “we have been transferred from the domain of darkness to the Kingdom of the Son for the glory of the Father”. Does what you say line up with what The Lord’s apostle said?
Isaiah? Is your last name Dillard?
yes it is
Ah, you’re back, my brother! Victor has clarified this matter, and I look forward to hearing from you. I still have the same Outlook email as ever before to hear from you.
Alan, meet Isaiah; Isaiah, meet Alan, in case you haven’t “met” one another.
Alan, Isaiah has been “back” for some time and I’m thankful for what the Lord has given him to speak to several people here at TPOT commentaries. If you wish to explain things to one another for any reason, go for it. Likely an email exchange would be most appropriate and you may cc me. I’m not asking you to do this; it’s only a suggestion. I thank the Lord!
Sir, I am not in the counsel of my Majesty Most High and Master Yeshua so I do not know everyone’s purpose. I do believe that we all are vessels to enhance the Kingdom and grow in faithfulness as He assigns us and guides us. According to the internet, there are 40,000+ denominations around the world so far. There is only one truth, one way, and one life in my Master Yeshua (Yah’s Salvation) and He is the only way to the Father. In this world, we have many ‘truths’ that we must discern. I have gone through this website and I believe in many things that are taught but when I saw the video of ‘THAT Prophet’, I do not discount that he is a prophet or vessel but discerning of ‘THAT’ prophet. Just like ‘Joseph Smith’ in LDS and ‘Ellen G. White’ in SDA. If my response caused division, then I trust my Master Yeshua will correct me. Much love to you and to all.
You say “ I do not discount that he is a prophet or vessel but discerning of ‘THAT’ prophet. Just like ‘Joseph Smith’ in LDS and ‘Ellen G. White’ in SDA”
You are contradicting yourself, saying you don’t doubt he is a prophet, but you compare him to two false prophets sent from Satan. Which is it, is he sent from Jesus Christ or Satan?
“…so I do not know everyone’s purpose…”
“…you lost me when you confessed in your video that you were ‘that Prophet’…
We are no longer ‘looking for’ or ‘will be’ anymore prophets like Moses or John the Baptist or Jesus…”
If you’re lost and don’t know everyone’s purpose, including that of That Prophet, then how can you be a reliable witness as to whether one is a prophet of God or not? You’re not making any sense, Kim.
When confessing sin what should I do since I can’t remember all that I have done.
The issue is not so much confessing all your sins as confessing yourself a sinner who cannot BUT sin. You’ve done the will of God when you acknowledge your sinfulness and complete helplessness to deliver yourself and turn to Him for His grace and power. Then, when the Lord forgives and receives you, he’ll show you and remind you of anything you need to know, and He’ll give you the power and faith to do the right thing.
Does that help?
If you’re here,Tierra, it’s because the Lord has brought you here. Yes, to be judged, but also, Lord willing, to be delivered from the bondage of sin forever. This is that narrow gate (the hard way, not the ‘easy’ way of man’s religions).
““Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”
If you need more encouragement, look at how many on this comment section come with their vileness and contradictions, speaking as if they know the Lord when they don’t. Remember the story of the publican. Better to admit we’re nothing and don’t know what we ought, than to presume we speak for the Lord and are better than everyone else. No one is. It’s liberating to come out from religion, that’s for sure!
Have you red Victims and Perpetrators?
I think you’ll also like these songs, particularly “I want you to know”.
This is great to see.
Please contact me. Would like to learn more. I would like to speak with someone.
Patrick, you may email me: Victor@ThePathofTruth.com
Martin Zender is a neanderthal. Preying on vulnerable women – and grifting to take their money. Do not support him. He is a pig in pigs clothing
You’ve red our report and judgment on Zender. Assuming you’re correct in what you say of him, you sound very bitter, on the attack, and vengeful. Are you?
I just spent a full hour reading through your website truly interested in weight loss God’s way and I hit the link for the perfect diet and it did not really give a diet … All I really heard you say besides that processed foods are horrible for the human body is that 1200 calories a day worked for you many times. I understand that after each failure repentance is needed. It’s the getting back on track that is hard.
Susanna, look to the Lord Jesus Christ; it’s all in His hands. Give thanks for it all.
I don’t recall specifically saying or suggesting this as an answer, “1200 calories a day worked for you many times.” It’s not the answer. Trust in Him is.
Ask God for help from struggles or hard habits. God is glad to help you because He loves you.
Hi anonymous or “silent shadow”. We recommend and require you change your name if you’re signed into the site. It’s best to be open and public about who you are, especially in matters concerning everyone, like it is here. Not implying you are doing so, but hiding anonymously is not good. If you’d like, you can join the Forum, here and introduce yourself.
Adding to Victor’s comment here, Susanna.
If we are lacking in trust, we can ask Him for that trust or even the trust to trust, etc.
My unbelief was great, but as I took steps into the unknown after asking for trust, I began to see things were ok and that God is benign and not expecting me to pull myself up by my bootstraps. I also learned that obedience and faith are key. We are given more faith as we obey! Isn’t that great?
So, you have nothing to worry about, if you continue, day at a time. There’s no problem the Lord cannot fix, even your soul, your weight, distrust, bad habits. On the subject of habits, they may take a while. Some have gone quickly (like my fingernail biting) and unexpectedly. Others, like my masturbation habit took considerable effort and trust in 1 Corinthians 10:13.
Point is, never get down or let the forces of darkness (condemning thoughts, fears, doubts, etc.) stop you from doing the right and progressing on. There will be challenges, but you can face them with faith, not fear (not saying I see that with you here, just pointing it out in general, as it’s easy to be ensnared by it).
What else have you red at The Path of Truth besides the Christian Physical Diet?
As that Prophet, do you confirm a premillennial, amillennial, or postmillennial eschatology? Also, do you recommend that people stay in church, or leave their church? Thank you.
Sam, it’s man’s ambition to know these things. The Perfect Son Jesus Christ, said, “Only My Father knows the hour.” Obedient trusting children are okay with eating from the Tree of Life. They have to leave the Tree of Knowledge behind. You have to give up some of your “need to know” if you’re ever going to know Him.
Religion is the fruit that is picked off of the Tree of Knowledge. Sweet in the mouth, bitter in the bely. We have all eaten with Adam. The Lord take His own and gives them the intestinal fortitude to digest the religion. He gives you to take out the value and separate the waste. After which it’s passed, buried and left behind. At that point there’s nothing but uncleanness to return to.
It’s not like you can choose to eliminate food when it’s only in the upper intestine. If you try to stimulate that kind of elimination, it’s painful and messy.
I understand it’s a graphic analogy, but it captures the point. We don’t recommend either church or no church. We’re not here to instruct or heap burdens on people that don’t belong to us. Those that are chosen will hear our voice and they’ll know from the Lord exactly what to do, when they need to do it.
I understand your curiosity, but you’re barking up the wrong tree. If you want Answers you’ll have to learn to hear, listen, submit, and surrender your life unto death in service of The Tree of Life, trusting in His Resurrection Power.
The answers for the questions you’re asking are only found on the branches of the Tree of Knowledge. We don’t get into these subjects.
Well, in any case, thanks for the response.
You don’t seem thankful at all, Sam. I took the time to answer your question thoughtfully, and you’re dismissing me contemptuously. Why are you doing that?
Isn’t it possible that we know something that you don’t?
I’m not surprised. Like I said, you’re barking up the wrong tree. We don’t have what you’re looking for.
I wasn’t dismissing you, sir. In fact, I spent some time perusing the teachings on this site. I honestly felt as though your answer was dismissive of me. I asked a straightforward question and in return received a hokey, pretentious, pseudo-spiritual answer. I was merely attempting to leave with grace. As for “knowing” something I do not, it is certainly possible that you do. But as you said, knowledge is not everything.
Jesus Christ is everything. And I see here a corruption of the simplicity found in the true Gospel of Christ Jesus. I see denial of biblical inerrancy. I see denial of the Godhead, Father, Son, and Spirit. I see claims of extrabiblical revelation. I see blatant eisegesis and cherry picking of scriptures. I see presupposition, confirmation bias, and doublethink. I see a self-appointed prophet who loves eminence. And I remember the warning of my Lord Jesus Christ that “many false prophets will arise and will mislead many”.
So you are correct. There is nothing for me here.
Matthew 15:22-28 NIV
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to Him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So His disciples came to Him and urged Him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before Him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what You were pleased to do.
27 “All things have been committed to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
I know what you are implying. It isn’t true, sir. Though it is certainly true that those who come to Jesus receive nothing, unless they come genuinely, and in a spirit of humble obedience, as a little child. But you are not Jesus. Those who are His do not need that any man should teach them. They have been taught by the Spirit, and know the voice of the Shepherd. And the voice of one who comes in his own name they will not hear.
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, almighty God. The Word made flesh. He died for our sins and rose bodily on the third day. Those who believe on His Name, turn from sin unto God and hold fast the profession of faith will be saved. What new foundation can be laid? None.
There is only one path of truth is a world full of lies, and the Bible, the fullness of revelation, is all we need to tread that path. Anyone who would deny the sufficiency of God’s Word, claiming extra revelation and new illumination, is an apostate – a child of hell.
Given these things you’ve said earlier:
And ONE I see here a corruption of the simplicity found in the true Gospel of Christ Jesus. TWO I see denial of biblical inerrancy. THREE I see denial of the Godhead, Father, Son, and Spirit. FOUR I see claims of extrabiblical revelation. FIVE I see blatant eisegesis and cherry picking of scriptures. SIX I see presupposition, SEVEN confirmation bias, EIGHT and doublethink. NINE I see a self-appointed prophet TEN who loves eminence.
As well as:
ELEVEN “Anyone who would deny the sufficiency of God’s Word, TWELVE claiming superior revelation, is an apostate – a child of hell…”
…proves you to be a slinking and confounded liar, one in bed with the harlot church, a self-righteous disciple of the whore, making love with her publicly, without shame but plenty of pride, a pretender taking upon yourself Jesus Christ’s Name in vain, an ignorant judge of things he knows nothing about, especially not by the Counsel of God and the Scriptures.
You make many false claims of yourself and your beliefs.
You are an orthodox Christian proselyte, Sam, a Bibliolater, beating your chest and sounding the trumpet, accompanied by the choral praise of your siblings in crime and fornication.
You DO NOT believe ON the Lord Jesus Christ in the True Spiritual, Holy sense. No, you don’t.
You say, “But you are not Jesus.” And I say to you, I am not the Jesus you worship but it is the Risen Lord Jesus Christ now Who speaks to you. I’m One with Him. And you are one with your Jesus and his gospel, the others the apostle Paul has warned about, those highly esteemed among men but an abomination to God Almighty.
And we will know by God’s Work and Word who is true and who is the charlatan. It’s inevitable. I look forward to that.
In the meantime, my eyes and hope will be fixed firmly on Jesus Christ – the Jesus Christ of the Bible. It is this Jesus you crucified in exchange for one of your own making, to the lifting up of yourself. And this you did in full knowledge of the truth. In this sense, you are certainly no better than those worldly Christians you slander, who have also sold the truth for a lie, and who also slander those of us who obey the gospel, because we love not our lives to the death. I pray that God will mercifully heal your reprobation, and you find place for repentance.
I am through here. Farewell, Victor. Remember what I said. The Bible contains all the truth and revelation needed for salvation. I will entrust my soul to the Bible’s Jesus. And you, your Jesus. One day soon, we will see which Jesus sends down fire.
Sam, read Jer 29:11-14.
Sam, do you really believe that the questions you came here with, fall into the criteria God requires in Jer 29:11-14?
You do not realise it yet, but you have been brought to The Path of Truth by Jesus Christ to die. Death to self is the only true path to God.
Do you really believe that God, Jesus Christ, brought you here to challenge Victor with bits of scripture that have little or nothing to do with anyone’s salvation?
Could it be that Jesus Christ brought you to TPOT to save you from yourself? I would encourage you to look deeply at your motives and realise that you have walked into a trap of your own making. A trap, originally set in motion by God, not for Victor’s sake, but for your sake.
Come down out of your high tree Sam and face God. He desires to sup with you. Will you reject Him?
If Victor were to repent of universalism, trinity denial, self appointed prophet status, and denial of scripture…then perhaps I would take heart, Brian. But as such, I cannot go againt the Bible in good conscience.
So why go against the Bible and its Author in all your words and ways, Sam? Your conscience is seared.
This is part 1.
I’ve known the god you worship intimately, and was driven away from worshiping that god quite forcefully by the true Lord.
You’ll say otherwise, but here’s the rub, believing the trinity and eternal damnation drove me literally insane, to the point that I thought I was hearing God answer me personally in prayers, when it was truly either demons, or my own imaginations.
That being said, here is a small example of the hell YOUR god put me through.
And you’re responsible for this, as the pharisees and the whore are responsible for the blood of all the righteous.
This format, without breaks in between, will give you a good idea of the hell I endured in my mind for almost a year before the Lord delivered me by giving me faith, and bringing me to this website, and His son (lowercase ‘s’), Victor, to hear the truth.
This is part 2.
Who do I hear? The Father, or the Son, or the Spirit? What if they contradict each other, and how can I tell? Won’t they sound the same? How can I know? Won’t it align with scripture? But wasn’t Abraham told to sacrifice his own son, and Ezekiel told to cook bread using his own excrement? So if I’m told to do something crazy, how can I rule out that it wasn’t God? And I have to do everything I can to win souls from hell, so why aren’t I witnessing at every possible oppurtunity? If people die without repenting then they’re gone forever, so how can I justify spending my time on anything but saving people? Should I do this (insert literally crazy BS), because if I don’t, that person may die before repenting! And what about me? If I live my whole life right but screw up at the end I’ll end up in hell for eternity. God please I can’t handle that.
Years of aimless wandering and emptiness, only to be replaced by delusional, fearful, frantic, exhausting sprints into brick walls, where I found nothing but condemnation without end.
This is part 3.
God damn your jesus. May he and his followers writhe in the pain he has so gleefully inflicted upon the world.
I truly want your god, and every memory of it wiped from heaven and earth except to be treated like the gods of yesterday, with mocking contempt.
I personally have furious resentment towards your god, and mostly pity for you.
These things I desire will happen though, as stated in Revelations, the devil and his angels (one of which, you worship, and by proxy, the devil himself) will be thrown into the lake of fire.
Amen to what Victor and Martin said. Particularly that part of God showing everyone whose true and false. I so desperately want that, if anything so that the Lord isn’t treated with the contempt you show Him.
I don’t have a Jesus, save for the Bible Jesus. Your words condemn you.
Yes, indeed, the Bible is your Jesus. You nailed it there; you may be learning something, after all. And Jesus Christ answered such as you right where you claim to worship Him:
John 5:39, 40
39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Man, so this is what it’s been like dealing with me.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
You don’t understand what you’re saying, but presume to preach about and know the Lord.
And you don’t have a clue what the Lord took me through, or did to me (both deserved and/or needed) within the religious systems of men, with the goal of delivering me from them, but judge me as ignorant and a lover of lies.
You don’t know my heart. Or will you now claim to?
Victor and Martin know it, because God revealed it to them, and they’ve used that knowledge to heal a broken man.
What you say are LIES! Lies that you use to beat people into submission, dismiss them, and to raise yourself up as a “wise and faithful follower of the Lord”.
Victor’s right. You fornicate under the consent of your king, the “Bible Jesus”, with the whore, Mystery Babylon.
But while you deserve hell, honestly, God help you.
Yet here, He tried in this thread.
Your Bible will fail you Sam.
Repent and listen, or die.
Try reading it this way, Sam (substitutes mine, for emphasis):
“If Paul the Apostle were to repent of universalism, trinity denial, self appointed prophet status, and denial of scripture…then perhaps I would take heart, Brian. But as such, I cannot go against the [Scriptures] in good conscience.”
“If Peter were to repent of universalism, trinity denial, self appointed prophet status, and denial of scripture…then perhaps I would take heart, Brian. But as such, I cannot go against the [Scriptures] in good conscience.”
“If Jesus Christ were to repent of universalism, trinity denial, self appointed prophet status, and denial of scripture…then perhaps I would take heart, Brian. But as such, I cannot go against the [Scriptures] in good conscience.”
Do you recall that Stephen was stoned because he identified with the Lord Jesus Christ, the Truth (and not the Bible, as you do) and that it was the Pharisees (who identified with the Bible, not God, though they claimed to be sons of Abraham) who stoned him to death?
If you believed the Author of the Bible (not worshipping the Bible as an authority in and of itself), you would understand the problem with what you’re saying here, plainly and what I’m trying to show you by copying your text.
I see that you think you’re the elect. If that’s true, why bother with us? If we’re wrong and are destined to burn in Hell as non-trinitarian ‘elect’, aren’t you, the ‘elect’ being foolish coming here trying to convert the damned?
“In the meantime, my eyes and hope will be fixed firmly on Jesus Christ”
In other words, virtue signaling, while you plainly worship the Bible (you’ve said as much; see the emphasis) and not Christ. Otherwise, you’d hear and rejoice that God isn’t the abominable trinity and that all will be saved in time (you’d better hope so, as a Bibliolater).
Well spoken, Michael! Calvinists are as mad as was Calvin. He died a horrible, ungodly death. We know many Calvinists who are also perishing in their pride and darkness of self-righteousness – Parkinson’s disease, heart disease, cancer…. Martin’s father, John Vanpopta is one of them, a Reform preacher, devout praiser and worshipper of John Calvin. His brothers and sons also perish with him.
Why? They stand with devilish heretic John Calvin to defy the Lord Jesus Christ. That man has so much blood on his hands and those who agree with him are equally guilty, being twofold the children of hell he is.
The Good News is that Calvin is finished. God has said so. I say so. The day of Calvin reformers is here, praise God!
Just to be perfectly clear, better worded, “The Day of Judgment for Calvin reformers is here, praise God!”
“Though it is certainly true that those who come to Jesus receive nothing, unless they come genuinely, and in a spirit of humble obedience, as a little child”
Sam, there are none who come to Jesus. Jesus is the one who chooses, not you, not me, not anyone.
You have chosen your own Jesus, Sam. Victor, on the other hand, has been called by the true Jesus Christ, God Almighty.
“Come to me, all ye who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Matt 11:28
Everyone who is elected by God will come to Jesus, Brian.
“All the Father gives me will come to me, and he that comes to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37
Yes, we are elected for salvation and drawn, as no one seeks after God. But to say that we do not come to Jesus is false. All those who are elected by God will come to Christ, and will do so in humility. The Word of God is 100%, and it is the Jesus of the Bible that we must believe in and follow.
Victor H is a liar, sir. Anyone who appoints themselves as judge over the Bible, denying portions and adding others, is a liar.
Now I am finished conversing with you as well. And I’m taking the site off my email list so I won’t be notified anymore. I say to you all: repent and believe the true gospel.
A curiosity, why do you use a knight chess piece as your profile picture?
Alan, “The White Horse Tavern or White Horse Inn was allegedly the meeting place in Cambridge for English Protestant reformers to discuss Lutheran ideas, from 1521 onwards.“
There is also a podcast and website named after this, a popular resource among many in the reformed tradition. “Sam Rose” sounds like he’s come from Calvin.
Could you specify where you’re coming from? Seems you’re agreeing that God’s judgement against Calvin’s reformers is here.
Thank you, Martin for your response, I thought it to be kind. As for the graphic analogy, it works! Those with ears to hear will hear, others choose to get offended. Amen to “If you want Answers you’ll have to learn to hear, listen, submit, and surrender your life unto death in service of The Tree of Life, trusting in His Resurrection Power.” The Lord will provide the answers we need at the time we need them. He knows what is good for us and will withhold no good thing. His timing is perfect and it is a huge gift, a miracle indeed to trust Him.
Ask God the Father about it after salvation of Jesus. He is the Creator of the world. He knows everything from past to future.
Why the alias? If you don’t mind my asking.
What you say is true, if he were genuinely after truth and The Lord, he wouldn’t be hanging on so hard to anything, he would have asked God to show him what is true and The Lord would have answered.
However, he isn’t and Sam has no desire to know The Truth, because he knows what it means for him.
Sam was here to preach, he is full on his lies.
he said: “ I will entrust my soul to the Bible’s Jesus. And you, your Jesus. One day soon, we will see which Jesus sends down fire.”
This is the definition of taking His name in vain. He doesn’t know the Jesus, Who is The Author of the Bible, Who is also The Author of this site. He accuses Victor and those here of following a false jesus, yet he does what he accuses us of.
He was brought here to be judged and by those words he will be. I would not be surprised if Sam has already begun to see the judgement and fires in his life.
How are you?
Have you been reading here?
Do I need the confess to my parents when I disobeyed them in the past? Like watching tv online.
Yes, for conscience’s sake, you do. You sin when you do not honor mother and father when they expect only good and right from you.
I am not sure. What do you mean? Like watching tv online? Why do you need to confess to your parents when you disobeyed them in the past? You know that you can’t expect to obey your parents at all times because they are not perfect and they may lead you into your misconceptions and misunderstandings in your life. It is always best for you to obey God the Father because He is perfect and never lie nor betray to you. Also, He knows your better future.
Anonymous, because honesty is the best policy.
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding you, but you speak as though you are Satan himself.
I agree with you, Martin. This “anonymous” despises the Fifth Commandment, “You shall honor your father and your mother.” He won’t live long, keeping that up.
True, we don’t know who this person’s parents are or what they’re like. But in the context of the words spoken on this subject here, he appears to be “throwing the baby out with the bathwater.”
We aren’t advocating that one obeys parents no matter what they require without discretion. We aren’t teaching obedience against the Law of God or honoring parental lawlessness of any kind.
What we do teach is that if the parents require of their children anything neutral, moral, lawful, reasonable, or Godly, even if the child does not understand or agree, it is that child’s responsibility to obey them.
Anonymous says, “It is always best for you to obey God the Father because He is perfect and never lie nor betray to you. Also, He knows your better future.” Exactly. So, obey your parents; obey not only the Fifth but all God’s Commandments.
God will give you the grace to do that, even for the worst of sins you need to confess to them. He did so for me (removed my fear, right beforehand; set up my dad being at home by happenstance).
Not just that, but if they have questions for you later, set yourself to being candid about your sins. I’ve done this, and thing improved over time. God was merciful to me and now I have a relationship with my parents which wasn’t present before, as I was a rebellious child (not only tv, but pornography, bestiality, excessive gaming, talking back to them, fornication, and other material lusts and sins).
Btw, you don’t have to get into gruesome details, but you do have to clear the air and be candid. This should help:
Thank you for your encouragement to keep reading. Reading I have been doing these past months, morning and night. There’s so much to choose from on the site map, where to begin? In them are so many lessons that have been very beneficial and necessary for me that I had no idea what I was missing! How dead I was, how empty, how foolish I was in my thinking and all that I did was vanity. I was going in circles, not on the straight path following after Christ as I ought, taking up the cross( crucifying my flesh)
The words Victor writes not only speaks the Truth . He took the time to show us through his life experiences when most of us wouldn’t dare to expose ourselves in fear of what other people might think .Victor’s writings reminded me that we need to learn and know our place and “ as we increase, mature in Spiritual maturity we see more of what has always been there”, and “ To let go and let God -Grab hold , who already holds me and teaches me not to grab, but to rest and to be grabbed”
And Victor also mentions”believe when the Lord speaks in a still small voice”. I believe I am hearing that voice saying there’s more…. The questionsI had are being answered as I continue to read.
Hey Jill. Hope all is well. How have things been since this post?
I check back ever so often to see how this group is doing. It was Hilarious when it was discovered that Victor’s whole group was getting down and dirty behind his back (the holy spirit apparently never warned him) to the point where Paul ended up being exposed and left. I remember Victor would tell me, “a Kingdom divided against itself won’t stand” and “you’ll know them by their fruits” Fast forward, his Kingdom crumbled and the fruits of his ministry is forever in shambles, sin and hypocrisy. All he does is replace his old members with new unwitty members and the circus continues. Victor is a sick and deluded man. He thinks the Lord is speaking to him but he continually runs into a brick wall. He never sees his own errors mainly cause he spends every waking minute pointing out everyone else’s. He’s perfect and blameless and the only true man of God it seems, LOL. Give me a break. This is the most disgusting cult to exist in our generation. I feel bad for anyone who’s drunk the cool aid.
First of all, who are you to critique? Are you still in sin? And being that you are that means your eye is not clear.
secondly, not that they need any defending, God defends His people. But in regards to Paul, God is in full control, He places the tares with the wheat so that the wheat might flourish. For everything there is a time and a season.
He accomplishes all things for His purpose and who are you to argue with God?
it would seem to me, that the words spoken to you were prophetic and toward you. You are divided against yourself and unstable in all your ways. Your fruits are evident, you are bitter, envious of victor thinking you yourself should be the “only true man of God”.
You project your own state onto him as hypocrites tend to do, not wanting to be seen for what they truly are. But visible to all.
Victor is God made, as in God is in him. You’re saying “only true man of God” gives off the idea that man can do something to become a man of God. Yet in your error you are right even though you scoff, Victor and those with Him have been giving to stand in The Truth. They are the few in which God lives.
again if anyone is given to “drink the cool aid” they did not do so of their own will, but of the Lords. The “cool aid” you refer to and scoff at the notion of is His very blood, even though you did not intend that meaning.
“Whoever eats of me and drinks of my blood will have everlasting life”.
if there was nothing here why come back? But you know the Truth is here so you come back. But you scoff. You project and you are angry because it’s not you hearing from the Lord. But as with all men the Truth will have His day in you, which is a good thing.
All must come to the light, nothing hid from any mans sight.
Yeah yeah yeah. I come back cause it’s fascinating to see the development not because there’s any truth here. This place was a big part of my life and I believed in it so much so it’s entertaining to see the after math and how crappy things have become.
“Crappy,” Kelechi? As I can testify before God, Heaven, and earth, things have never been better – not by a long shot. I say this by the Lord Jesus Christ. We here are so very thankful the fires came to purge, the sickle came to harvest, the Vinedresser came to severely purge that which was so desperately needed – we had no conscious idea how much! – even as the earth was cleansed in Noah’s day and Sodom in Lot’s.
But I see that for you, Kelechi, nothing has improved at all; it has only deteriorated, obvious to the entire world, both near and far, past and present.
God blesses the faithful and His wrath is on such as you. How miserable a creature you are, but deserving of every bit of it! And I tell you, that if you think things are rotten for you now (and you well know they are, and we know, but you don’t know that we know, and you wish and hope we didn’t know), you haven’t seen anything yet. It comes speeding through your door to continue and increase your torment until there’s nothing left. My, what a brilliant future awaits you!
We wash our feet in the blood of our enemies.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Victor: Na we wash our feet with the enemies BLOOOOOD!?! Rage raaawwrr.
Victor clearly comes in the spirit of the old letter of the law and not the new spirit of grace. No wonder he condemns everyone so viciously… only he (Victor) is blameless and no one else.
“What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,”
“And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.”
Obviously, you don’t care to know about Jesus, Whom you persecute. That’s why you’ll be destroyed by Him. You’re just an angry, vile, two-legged beast without any respect for authority. You’ll go the way of George Floyd, who not only hated authority but was restrained (not killed) by one as he did himself in by drug overdose. Then, after months of martyrdom by the left, God blew apart Floyd’s mural with lightning.
God doesn’t miss. As Victor mentioned here, you don’t have years to live. What an utter waste of oxygen. And these (blacks) are the people I tried years back to change minds. Lord knows the depths of how bitter you really are. It’s all coming out here.
What you don’t understand is that it’s all for good. You will see your error in due time, as the Lord promises, but not in this life. And what we say here will benefit those who wish to know the Lord and not end up calloused and bitter like you.
So you see, Kelechi… even though you’re exposing yourself to all as the bitter, lawless jerk you are, God’s in full control and brought you back for a purpose, though disgraceful and brief. I hope someone like a Christmas celebrator, or BLM or Antifa, or even a Calvinist sees these posts and your bitterness, then sees their own attitudes and turns. That’ll be well worth it in the end, just like the “Work of God” song.
BTW that’s a famous line Victor has always used… “You keep coming back because you know the Truth is here” what? do you guys carry pamphlets around? I’ve heard that phrase so many times, you guys use the same tired recycled phrases to everyone
I didn’t know Victor had said that in the past. I said it because I know it to be true. You say you come back because “it’s fascinating to see developments, but do you do so with anything else or anything that you know is not true in your life? No we only go back and look at things if we know there is something worthwhile, but in your bitterness you hate that it’s true, because it means you have to let go of everything but you don’t want to.
Entertainment is worthwhile… so your logic fails there buddy.
You find rap and hiphop (which is shit) entertaining as well as what we say here. So obviously, you either have no discernment or you’re in the wrong spirit altogether. So much for your ‘logic’, brute beast!
So yes I do this with other things in my life… for example a tv show. I know it’s fake, and not true. But it’s entertaining so I keep coming back to watch more episodes. See how warped and incorrect your assumptions can be? You’re blinded by your bs ideals and it’s so simple to poke holes through your crap logic
So when things go your way… it is the will of God, when things don’t go your way… it’s the will of God. How is it possible for any of you to take accountability for your actions and words then? When Paul was here he was such a great man that everyone should listen to and bow down and obey… now he was found to be a shithead and left…. and your response? O it was the will of God, there are tares hid among the wheat… lol really? You’re blameless when you’re right, you’re blameless when you’re wrong. No, oops my bad I made a mistake… but you use God to cover your ass and your own sins and misjudgment. Maybe people would follow you guys if you weren’t such hypocrites. Victor is a shithead too, he’s as much a sinner as anyone else. Yet he never calls out his own shit and misjudgment. It’s not honest. None of you are.
What you say is true. It’s all according to Him. This is scriptural.
He does what He wishes with the hearts of men, yours included. However it is two fold. We have to acknowledge that we are wrong, that we are evil that we on our own would never choose God and in fact hate Him and are in need of Him.
“They went out from us, because they were not of us” (I don’t have a Bible handy right now so I can’t put exact scripture). But if this happened among the apostles in the New Testament, what would be any different today?
Hypocrites?? Without getting in childish name calling battle, you do that which you accuse everyone here of. The only hypocrite I see here is you. Unwilling to own up, unwilling to acknowledge you’ve been in wrongness, yet calling for everyone else to.
All I see here is arrogance. You think you know it all.
I never once said I was right or wrong. I know i’m flawed and messed up and I sin and there’s nothing I can do to stop sinning. Sin is human nature after all. No one is capable of making every single blameless decision. It’ so bad we sin unconsciously. But one thing I do know, for an absolute fact is that Victor is bullshit and just like everyone else here, but he acts like he’s blameless and he’s not. He issues prophecies from God and they turn out to be lies or completely false. And then he covers his ass with vague statements and likes to backtrack and said, “that’s not what I meant you misinterpreted me” Horse shit… you know what the bible says about false prophets right? Had Victor not uttered a false prophecy that failed to come to fruition, I might of stuck around. But the fact the HE couldn’t own up to his mistake just oozes hypocrisy. And that is my purpose for checking in to watch the hilarious shit show.
Here is what the Hebrew writer had to say,
(WEB) “Heb 11:1 Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by this, the elders obtained testimony.
Heb 11:3 By faith, we understand that the universe has been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen has not been made out of things which are visible.
Heb 11:4 By faith, Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he had testimony given to him that he was righteous, God testifying with respect to his gifts; and through it he, being dead, still speaks.
Faith is the Testimony, not signs and wonders!
Having heard that Scripture, hundreds of times growing up, it never meant anything to me. Now, by The Grace of God, I can relate to Hebrews 11, what a precious Gift! So Wonderful!
I thank The Lord for raising up a man(Victor Hafichuk) to teach and explain the Scriptures, like the Ethiopian eunuch, how can I understand unless someone explains it to me!
(WEB)Act 8:30 Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
Act 8:31 He said, “How can I, unless someone explains it to me?” He begged Philip to come up and sit with him.
So, bout them fruits you’re refering to.
Here’s a short list of the results in my life of listening to Victor. These are just results, not what Victor or Martin said which led to these results.
I am loved by my employers. They stick their necks out for me, train me to take over, and I have consistently gotten more raises than my contemporaries. This is in contrast to being hated because I couldn’t do my job well no matter how hard I worked. Now, frankly, I’m a boss, and they’re thankful to have me. IM thankful they have me.
I finally submit to and respect my parents, who hate Victor, to the point where even they are acknowledging that listening to Victor and Martin has been good for me. I can put aside my selfish desires to do what I’m told, and I haven’t been fighting with them for over a year now. They love it.
My mental state is at peace despite what is going on in the world, and I have the tools to set my mind straight.
I’m clean of an insane amounts of physical toxins, as well as toxic people who were happy to watch me destroy myself.
I found myself thanking God that I exist for the first time a few weeks back.
I’m happy to be alive.
Give it time, lol.
You say Victor spoke to you. So, who are you? Didn’t he also tell you the righteous are bold as lions? (Not hiding who they are.)
At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
The bible makes claims for every position possible. It’s a catch all. You can find phrases that tell you to hide, and verses that tell you to be bold. You can find verses that tell you to judge and verses that tell you not to judge. So you can easily pick a verse to support and satisfy whatever position you want.
Kelechi, is it you?
???? aren’t you the IT admin?
Anways i’m done here guys. Feel free to delete my comment. I’ll check back in a few years 🙂 God Bless
Cowardly. Come in name calling, scoffing, picking a fight. The moment any truth comes your way, you run hiding and at that use your false notion of God as a cover.
I can honestly say, without a shred of doubt. God has changed my life, through what He has given to Victor. I would go on to tell you what has changed but why cast my pearl before swine? All you’ll do is scoff.
Is it hard? Absolutely. But the hard way is the easy way because it’s the right way, because it is His way.
It angers me when people like you speak against Life. That’s what’s here Life.
None of it is truth buddy, I’m leaving cause I rather do some other things, i’ll poke my head in from time to time when I feel like it. God can change your life, better decisions can change your life, a book can change your life, there’s a plethora of things than can change your life… Just cause your life was changed by new ideas and practices doesn’t mean what you believe in is the truth. A changed life isn’t proof of anything, you will stumble and fall time and time again for the rest of your life and the only time your path will be confirmed is in death. And at the point, who will come back from the dead to report that you’ve chosen the right path?
The only thing that proves your God is real is prophecy. As the bible says, “The testimony of Jesus Chris is the Spirit of Prophecy” the whole book old and new was built on prophecy. That is the only thing that can confirm you are indeed dealing with the one true God… anything else is just corruptible persuasion from a false prophet. Victor’s prophecies are NOTHING like the prophecies in the bible. He’s never direct, he’s never specific he utters vague ambiguous prophecies that act as a catch-all. He’ll say something like “Something bad is going to happen to you” As if humans don’t constantly experience good and bad in their life. He’ll say things like “It won’t work out” well what do you mean by that Vic? He’s never specific like the bible is where impossible things will be uttered so it’s clear cut without a mistake. And he claims his words are coming from Jesus Himself… this is how I know your leader is bullshit and the greatest false prophet and con artist there is.
If Victor uttered a real prophecy one that was clear, direct, accurate and it came to pass without question. I’d be the first one to bow down and submit to this Jesus you all claim to follow… he did it once with me, and it didn’t come to pass and so he’s a con artist in my book.
I think we’ll feel free to NOT delete your comments, Kelechi, for posterity and a witness against such as you, as those who fall away, insisting they know better. Written of you:
17These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved. 18For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
And, you don’t have a few years.
What do you mean by “I don’t have a few years” please elaborate and be specific. You’re an expert at being so vague that you can apply a multitude of meanings to what you say. So when things don’t happen as one would expect you can slyly just say “That’s not what was meant” so as a witness against me indeed, be explicit and let’s see if your words will ring true. I consider a few years 2 years…. tells us Victor, exactly what will happen in 2 years?
Do you also accuse The Lord Jesus Christ of being “vague” ?
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, Behold, you are made whole. Sin no more lest a worse thing come to you.
Why should I listen to you when you have proven yourself to be a liar?
You say “There isn’t a single prophet in the bible old or new that was ever deceived by a man because the Holy Spirit wouldn’t suffer it… if there ever was one, I challenge you to find it and quote it here.”
King David was a prophet.
(Gw)Act 2:30 David was a prophet and knew that God had promised with an oath that he would place one of David’s descendants on his throne.
Here is what David had to say; (Gw)“Psa 55:11 Destruction is everywhere. Oppression and fraud never leave the streets.
Psa 55:12 If an enemy had insulted me, then I could bear it. If someone who hated me had attacked me, then I could hide from him.
Psa 55:13 But it is you, my equal, my best friend, one I knew so well!
Psa 55:14 We used to talk to each other in complete confidence and walk into God’s house with the festival crowds.
There isn’t a single prophet in the bible old or new that was ever deceived by a man because the Holy Spirit wouldn’t suffer it… if there ever was one, I challenge you to find it and quote it here.
Yet Victor was deceived by Paul for YEARS!; The person he gave the highest seat to in his church. He claimed him and Paul were the “two witnesses” though such claims have since been deleted off this site (or I can’t find it). He claimed Paul and him have received the Holy Spirit and once someone has received such, they could never depart.
Now Paul is a Tare among the Wheat? How did Paul deceive Victor for so many years and the Holy Spirit was more concerned with chastising strangers that come to the website rather than cleaning up it’s own house?
How come Victor’s many prophecies never come to fruition? What prophet have you ever heard of or read in the bible ended up having to cover their prophecies with the phrase “In case I err?”
In case you err Victor? The Holy Spirit is speaking to you, and you know His voice but you’re still so doubtful that you have to say “In case I err? A man who delivers a “Word from the Lord” and has to cover it with the disclaimer, “In case I err” is a man who isn’t confident in what he’s hearing from the Lord.
That is your Victor everybody. Do you know what the bible says about a Prophet who speaks and what is spoken does not come to pass? Here I’ll quote it
“when a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
Is it such a surprise I am not afraid of your leader? He’s a phony and a false prophet.
In the past,no one has ever taught me to trust The Lord. Though being raised in a very conservative religious setting, I only new to look to, and trust what man has to say. It never brought peace or true hope, even though I heard it preached all the time.
Coming to The Path of Truth, Victor taught me from the beginning, to trust The Lord. Never once did he tell me to look to him or to put my trust in him, but always and in everything, to look to The Lord, to believe Him, to trust Him, to obey Him. And the fruits of believing and obeying what he taught me (all by the Grace of God), is far better than anything I had in the past (to state it mildly)!
It’s like I was having a bad dream(my past life, which was actually death), and then The Lord woke me up to Reality!
(and like when one wakes up from a bad dream, one is so glad it was just a dream, so it is now, SO MUCH better to live in Reality)
(GW)Joh 5:28 Don’t be surprised at what I’ve just said. A time is coming when all the dead will hear his voice,
As for you, according to your own writing, it seems you were looking for signs and wonders and not going by Faith.
What did The Lord Jesus Christ have to say about seeking signs?
(GW) Mat 16:4 “Evil and unfaithful people look for a miraculous sign. But the only sign they will be given is that of Jonah.” Then he left them standing there and went away.
You say ”But news flash, I have never believed in you or Paul since the beginning. I contended with you both since the beginning. I thought you both to be frauds since the beginning… and fast forward a few years later…. I am clearly, irrefutable right about one of you. Is it so farfetched to realize I am also right about the other?”
Yet in the past you said you believe what Victor has to say. So either you were lying then, or you’re lying now.
You also say, “But one thing I do know, for an absolute fact is that Victor is bullshit and just like everyone else here, but he acts like he’s blameless and he’s not.”
You are wrong. No, Victor doesn’t need my defense, but you’re just wrong, period.
You quote Deuteronomy 18;22.
Did you know the Bible also says: “ Deu 13:1 If a prophet rises among you, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 and the sign or the wonder which he foretold to you occurs, saying, Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us serve them,
Deu 13:3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For Jehovah your God is testing you to know whether you love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 You shall walk after Jehovah your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments, and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.
So how do you know the difference?
Victor you claim that I am a dog returning to vomit (as you’ve said to me many times in the past)…. But news flash, I have never believed in you or Paul since the beginning. I contended with you both since the beginning. I thought you both to be frauds since the beginning… and fast forward a few years later…. I am clearly, irrefutable right about one of you. Is it so farfetched to realize I am also right about the other?
You thought Paul was right when I thought he was wrong… now we both agree Paul is wrong and a Tare among the Wheat as your follower Michael Condit has declared.
Kelechi. What’s your real reason for coming back? Are you looking someone to blame for your decision in rejecting the Lord? Is is eating you up with guilt inside that you turned your back on the truthful teaching of Jesus found here at TPOT?
Is that what you will tell the Lord when you have to give an account??
“It was all Victor’s fault lord.” “He made me walk away.”
Reading all your comments here, it’s clear you have an answer for everything but your own lies and treachery towards the truth. (Jesus)
Stop yapping on about the “big bad man” Victor, and what he did to you. Face your own truth. You rejected Jesus Christ in favour of the lusts of the world and what it has on offer.
“All these kingdoms I will give you, if you but bow down and worship me.”
How’s that working out for you Kelechi?
All the kingdoms of earth are in full melt-down, and if they last another two years, it will be a wonder.
Face it. You know the truth is within the pages of TPOT, yet you come here making excuses and blaming Victor because you have decided you want nothing to do with the TRUTH.
If its a prophecy you’re looking, here’s one for you….”God is finished winking” (Victor)
I won’t wish you a good day, because I don’t. I hope you have a bad day. I hope the Lord takes hold of you and shakes your heart with fear. Maybe then you will come to your senses and find faith and friendship with Him, and in Him.
Now we know who you are. Your lies have been debunked here https://www.thepathoftruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8317
Good for you Alan. The truth laid out for all to see.
So analyzing the audio and reading the thread, one would have to ask… “Why would anyone think they received a prophecy to quit school when that’s not the witness Victor received?” I listened to the audio and it’s clear to me that’s what was being delivered and this is why….
I believe I received a witness that…. You need to pack it in (what does this mean except for quit school given the context of the conversation?)
… I want you to consider that carefully in case I ere (what should be considered and why would you ere if this meant anything else besides quit school?)
“Well what should I do?… Where do I go?” I don’t know… the details will be taken care of… the Lord will just
open and close doors… he’ll show you what you need to do. You need to “know from Him” you can’t just take “My word for it”
Now if people here are receiving a witness, that this is not Victor speaking but the Lord’s then they should speak up
If they don’t have a witness that’s ok…. (taking both positions so you can fall back on either claim based on the outcome of reality)
Witness 1: Diana – I don’t know if this is a witness but I have a feeling that “it’s not going to happen in the 2 weeks Kelechi’s waiting; it’s not
going to happen for him to continue” (continue what? the only thing that makes sense here is school)
Witness 2: Paul – I agree (with Diana and possibly Victor also); you need to see the issue with family to completion (not the school part) He needs to deal with it in faith and see for himself what he needs to do there but “I believe it isn’t in school and that’s from The Lord”
“And the Lord will make apparent, he will make a way where there is no way”
So what position did “the Lord”(notice the quotes? 🙂 ), Victor, Paul and Diana take?
“the Lord”: “Pack it in” (who knew God spoke so vaguely and uses slang)
Victor: “Don’t take on debt, school is for devils, the Lord will open AND CLOSE doors and will SHOW YOU what you need to do
Diane: “I don’t know if it’s a witness but I have a feeling that it’s not going to happen in the 2 weeks Kelechi’s waiting and it wont happen for him to continue”
Paul: “Although you need to deal with the issue with your family you shouldn’t deal with school. You need to deal with everything in faith and see for yourself, the Lord will make it apparent and make a way where there is no way but I believe it ISN’T in school and that’s from the Lord”
And what happened?
sounds like the fella got the money from mom and finished school, lol… this is Rich
Victor wasn’t confident in his witness
Diane was flat out wrong in her (witness AND feeling)
Paul was also wrong cause the advice to see it through with family and watch for the apparent path
ended up leading to getting the much needed help and continuing/finishing school
Which seems to me to be the WHOLE dilema…
So, the door that was opened was contrary to everything everyone was mascarading as a witness.
Thanks @Alan for the rare find… you are a gem 😉
And to top it off… a NEW prophecy was uttered via the thread
“No matter how successful you get, it will all turn to dust”
ROFL another vague and irrefutable prophecy that can only be confirmed in death, rather than something that’s easily confirmed in life…..
It’s like say,
“Thus says the Lord, you will die”
“Thus says the Lord, hardships are up ahead”
“Thus says the Lord, you will see dark days”
“Thus says the Lord, things won’t work out”
I get it now, Victor’s a fortune cookie 🙂
Kelechi heard what he wanted to hear. Victor received from the Lord that he needed to “pack it in.” Pretty simple language everyone understood. He’s trying to make that sound like Victor said “Kelechi, wait until you see if your mother gives you some money. If she does, you are to finish school. If she doesn’t, you shouldn’t. That will be a sign from God.”
So Diana expressed her feelings about a time table. There are always other voices to test people. He was looking for signs, and not what the Lord required, so he received the rope to hang himself.
It’s ironic that he comes here to fault Victor and he’s only demonstrated Victor was right. He ignorantly talks about it being crappy here when that’s precisely where things are for him, in his own words, and not ours.
So Kelechi is a rapper, frankly, with some talent as I see it. But what is he saying? Where is he? He has one song, “Have to Live” where he says “he wonders even why we have to live.” He says of his mother, “I just couldn’t deal with the drama, so I told her to leave me alone.” Is this the same mother that gave him the money to finish school? Had Kelechi forsaken parents and followed the Lord, endured the fires, he’d be in such a better place, guaranteed.
In another song, he says “I’m on a mission that might end in suicide,” and “I’m taking alcohol with drugs, this can’t be safe.” You don’t have to be a prophet to see he’s in hell. You just have to listen to Kelechi speak for himself.
Kelechi was at a crossroads, and he “took the path that pleased him the most.”
Crossroads, by Victor Hafichuk:
At times while traveling you will come to some crossroads.
They’ll come in sight just when you least expect them.
And then you’ll have to decide
To walk the path of truth or run and hide
But if you choose the right path, you’ll travel further on…
Till crossroads come into your sight again.
How can you tell to choose the right path from the wrong?
Do signposts fill you in so you can easily tell?
Everything appears to be so good
And you may think it’s easily understood,
But listen to the Voice inside whose motive is for good
And recognize the peace that’s in your soul.
Some paths we take that we can never change again.
They may be easy first but harder in the end.
Don’t ever take the road that looks so smooth;
It’s smooth from crowds who’ve passed by foolishly;
The rarely traveled road with rocks and holes for traveling guests
Is the road that leads you to the truth of life.
So if you want it easier for now
Then take the road that pleases you the most,
But if it’s peace instead of shame you‘ll want to meet at last,
Then ponder all these things before you choose.
Of course. There in the transcript we had Kelechi being thankful, in agreement with Victor and others about what he needed to do.
I much prefer that old Kelechi, in honesty and truth. I say the last part because now Kelechi says he always opposed Victor… so what was the past thanksgiving for?
This present Kelechi is insane.
The present Kelechi IS the old Kelechi. Some people can be or appear very honest, but the second they are tried, they turn back to their lies, as did Kelechi.
We’ve seen champions for good turn on a dime, too, like Bibi Netanyahu, who congratulated Biden on his ‘victory’. Things took a turn for the worse shortly after.
It’s so apparent we must rely on God’s goodness and not our own because even great men can fall.
I agree with you, Michael, because you know more about Kelechi.
Thanks for posting this link, I took the time to listen to the audio and read this thread and will respond shortly sir. Interesting find 🙂
“I took the time to listen to the audio and read this thread, and will respond shortly sir”
It’s 3 months later, and still no response. I’m familiar with you and those like you, Kelechi. I grew up in it, around and have been the man. You are bound in sin and darkness, as you demonstrate in the lyrics of songs that Ronnie pointed out.
You know what’s spoken here is true, but don’t want to be held accountable, so you find fault in the flesh to justify your rebellion. That’s why you can’t hear and see.
Ezekiel 12:2 WEB
Son of man, you dwell in the middle of the rebellious house, who have eyes to see, and don’t see, who have ears to hear, and don’t hear; for they are a rebellious house.
A couple of things I see you’re bound to. One of those is the false god of hip hop, which is a demonic culture straight from hell, that despises The Lord in all its ways. The same culture that has most black Americans bound in hell, which is why God’s wrath is so heavy on them. Oh, they can be religious as hell, or should I say religious in hell, showing a form of godliness but full of lawlessness. I was in that pit of hell for over 20 years (though wasn’t religious at the time), until The Lord delivered me from it 7 years ago, exposing the truth of hip hop.
Listening to the audio “KC and the system”, you are in bitterness towards white people and bound by black skin worship. That wicked BLM witchcraft spirit. Oh, am I familiar with this one, as I’ve dealt with it from family and associates. It’s straight idolatry and respect of persons, breaking God’s Laws.
I also noticed on the audio, when they mentioned a preacher (I think his name is James Manning), that exposes the foolishness of lawless negros that get defended by the media and politicians: You asked the question that went under the radar “Is he a man of God?”. But you asked in a cunning, deceitful, and unbelieving way. And as you are demonstrating on this thread, you find offense with Victor calling out all these false prophets and was it portrayed as him being the only man of God on earth. What if it is true? I had doubts about these things too and this led to my departure three years ago. Why? Because I was looking to man instead of God, just as you were and are still doing. You focus on people: who stays who goes, who falls who stands, and finding fault and using it to determine your faith. It’s antichrist.
You worship Baal in Babylon, and to make it worse, you are still enslaved to Pharaoh in Egypt, trying to live in both worlds: making you two-fold a child of hell.
You say: “I thought you both to be frauds since the beginning” a liar and double-minded. You only said the opposite in the recordings. Spoken like a devil.
You say: “fast forward a few years later…. I am clearly, irrefutable right about one of you. Is it so farfetched to realize I am also right about the other?” Demonstrating your faith being in man, instead of God, which is why you are cursed. You would’ve accused apostle Paul if he became reprobate, which he admitted was possible, saying the same words you say now:
1 Corinthians 9:27 KJV
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway/reprobate.
1 Corinthians 10:5-6 KJV
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
So if it was possible for apostle Paul to be reprobate, do you think it possible for Paul Cohen? Isn’t Paul Cohen the living example that one of God’s anointed can be overthrown in the wilderness and be reprobate? Those to look to God can see this, but those who are in idolatry find fault to justify their sin. An evil and adulterous man you are, Kelechi, which is why you condemn the situation regarding leaving or staying in school:
Matthew 12:39 NASB
But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet
Guys, why are we wasting any more time with Kekechi, it’s clear he has made his bed? Let him lay in it. The Lord will deal with him.
Yes, Brian, Kelechi HAS made his bed, and a sorry one at that. We will all see the outcome of it. And I get what you’re saying; however, I think these comments will serve a worthwhile purpose both for the writers and other readers.
You did well in your reply to Kelechi, Thierry. Your Word will not only be for him but for others. Our comments are for many, nothing wasted. Truth is Truth.
Words I spoke to Thierry, as well: You did well in your reply to Kelechi, Isaiah. Your Word will not only be for him but for others. Our comments are for many, nothing wasted. Truth is Truth.
Amen, Victor! Thank you for your encouraging words.
Kelechi, you said:
“If Victor uttered a real prophecy one that was clear, direct, accurate and it came to pass without question. I’d be the first one to bow down and submit to this Jesus you all claim to follow… he did it once with me, and it didn’t come to pass and so he’s a con artist in my book.”
For the record, believers ought not to consult no fortune-tellers. I say this because, at that time, you were eager to know the future, and still today. You are confusing the gift of prophecy for divination.
Divination is well anchored in African cultures as in any others, and I can see its influence on you. As a result, one gets defiled. I was there too, but by the Lord’s grace, it has no hold on me anymore.
Leviticus 19:31 WEB
Don’t turn to those who are mediums, nor to the wizards. Don’t seek them out, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh your God.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 NKJV
(10) There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
(11) or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
(12) For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.
Because of the disposition of your heart, you defiled yourself with the spirit of divination. Your twisted mind got it all wrong.
Victor is no fortune-teller. Instead of acknowledging him, as a man of God, as the prophet whom God has appointed, you treated him like a medium who practices witchcraft.
Read What is a Prophet? for more understanding of what a true prophet is.
Jesus Christ is not a tool you can use to fulfill your desire and lust at your convenience. He is the Almighty and Omnipotent God, and you disregard Him. That is why you couldn’t receive the words given to you. It didn’t suit your will and your plan.
Remember what happened to Saul when he spared Agag, sheep, oxen, and all that was good despite what the Lord told him to do;
1 Samuel 15:1 ESV
(1) And Samuel said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord.
(2) Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt.
(3) Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
1 Samuel 15:9 ESV
But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep and of the oxen and of the fattened calves and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them. All that was despised and worthless they devoted to destruction.
Saul brought all these “good” things to sacrifice them to the Lord. He thought it was a reasonable thing to do.
This is what the Lord told him through Samuel in response to his deliberate rebellion:
1 Samuel 15:22-23
(22) And Samuel said,
“Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
as in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
and to listen than the fat of rams.
(23) For rebellion is as the sin of divination,
and presumption is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the Word of the Lord,
he has also rejected you from being king.”
Did you not spare the “good” things, which were your family and the studies in your case, believing it was a pleasing sacrifice to the Lord, not heeding the counsel of God through His servant and His body? Where are you today?
Later on, Saul, full of fear and desperation, went to see a necromancer woman to ask for counsel to the prophet Samuel, who had died. What Samuel told him is significant and applies to the state you’re in right now, Kelechi:
1 Samuel 28:15-16
15 Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” Saul answered, “I am in great distress, for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams. Therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do.”
16 And Samuel said, “Why then do you ask me, since the Lord has turned from you and become your enemy?
Nailing it, Thierry.
Kelechi, I too asked Victor for something specific — whether to join the armed forces in order to help Trump, my state and protect my neighbors from beasts. He said he’d ask the Lord to confirm my belief and notion within that I needed to join. I got the words “Go for it”, not from Victor only, but from the Lord. And I had this of the Lord because I knew He put that desire inside me to serve, for whatever purposes He desired.
Whether or not I stay in is not the focus, as the Lord directs our steps whatever our desires or plans are anyways. The Lord took me through a tough situation where, long story short, my faith was tested and I gained trust in the Lord by my new trial (I was sorely lacking before and prayed for trust), facing numerous foes, some who threatened physical harm (holding me down to vaccinate me) or would lie to gain any advantage over one who did not have their job experience, wisdom or knowledge. It wasn’t about anything but trusting and having faith in the Lord and His Word that granted success. Today I’m more confident in my God-given talents and have put away more sins than I can count, by God’s grace.
Kelechi, do you see the difference? You asked with the intent of pleasing yourself, not to obey the Lord in whatever He would ask of you. I asked because I desired to confirm something I knew the Lord had given me to do, by two or three witnesses. I’m pointing this out because I just noticed the difference, remembering your old conduct.
Lest anyone think I’m boasting, I didn’t gain anything material or any reputation with the Army whatsoever. Far from it. If anything, though I work hard for them, they despise me because I oppose them in their mandating the Covid ‘vaccine’ and vaccines like smallpox, anthrax, etc. which injure the host body, not save it. By experience, whatever the Lord does with me is up to Him, and I’m good with that.
Kelechi, you’re the polar opposite of one in faith. You said and continue say to this day, “MY WILL be done OR ELSE” to the Lord. You haven’t changed one bit. That’s why you sulk and stalk TPOT. You’re not fooling the Lord or those with Him. Pack it in. You’re done.
All true, Michael.
Sick and deluded? Really? I haven’t been replaced , been following God’s teachings from Victor for years.
WOW, I must chuckle some times about the ‘negative’ comments on this site. I am on this site for more then 10 years and have read(red you remember the bad comments about this word?) 98% of the writings and I want to thank the Lord Jesus that he used Victor to help us to understand HIS word better. Thanks Victor for referring me to the “Lake of fire” by LR Smith and to ELLIS H. SKOLFIELD and his books and all these books are free on the Internet. I did read these books two or three times all ready and I recommend to every body if you do not ‘understand’ what Victor is writing, then read these books and stop ‘harassing’ the path of truth with comments showing of your ‘misunderstanding’ of the Word. I want to use an example: I saw a lot of comments against Victor in regard of Todd White and I checked on YouTube this person. I was shocked to hear how degraded the Lord Jesus to simple human being and this persons long false braided hair is his trademark that is why he does not want to cut it off. Does the Word not state that men should by nature have short hair and women should not have braided hair to show off? Todd does both, as to be known by the world James 1:27.
Victor I know that by the grace of the Lord you will prevail, and I have one question: when will chapter 12 in your Autobiography come out?
Thank you, and may the LORD bless you more.
Working on it.
I want to Thank you for teaching the truth and helping us learn and know who and what the Lord Jesus is all about in reality. I grew up in CRC church and always felt like i was lacking something,and I continued to go, usually alone when i got married and 4 kids later. I searched for a new place and joined a charismatic church taking the kids with and my husband would come ,on and off,for20 years and I felt empty there too, going to “church”,bible studies, water baptized, volunteering in nursery,and doing it for the kids sake. “Its all about the kids”, mother would say. I left that church 4 years ago , bought a used Kjv Bible and Mathew Henry commentary and strong concordance and learned more in the word than I did in church. when I went online to search Path ,i found your site and the truth you teach confirmed what I was reading and brought more understanding on who and what the Lord is about and more!! I have so much to ask and learn from you.if you have time .
Keep reading, Jill. Victor spent the time to write and publish the site so that many more people than he could possibly individually minister to, could benefit.
I’ll bring his attention to your comment.
Those who are deceived don t know their deceived because they ARE
THE Lord has not removed His power of signs, wonders and miracles. I was healed of deadly musculatlr dystrophy many years ago by Jesus Christ. Sid Roth. Is a wonderful man of God. Better be careful what You say about God’s anointed.
You need the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I have received the Spirit of God. How is it that you can’t tell if I have or that Sid Roth has? It tells me you haven’t the Lord’s Spirit. Read my testimony and story and then tell me I haven’t known the Lord. Ask the Lord, as well. And the warning you give me you need to heed for yourself. The Lord isn’t pleased with you.
What happened to your friend or I should say disciple Paul Cohen ? I have not read or heard about him in years…
Paul did not endure to the end, but you have not even begun the journey. For what reason do you ask?
You can read about it at the end of Victor’s testimony.
I’m reasonably sure that you have no idea if the Lord is pleased with Ed or anyone else.
All you and your cronies do is call people evil and say everyone is burning in hell. If you really received the Holy Spirit, then you wouldn’t be calling people names all the time. I really question what you are filled with in that case
Please repent, I plan on doing the same.
If you’re going to criticize Victor for “calling names” then you might as well finish the job and criticize James, John the Baptist and Jesus Christ Himself for calling people vipers, whited sepulchres, adulterers and adulteresses.
Your “name calling” accusations are silly and childish, Brad.
You’ve been abused and confused by the very people you’re defending. You need help but instead you bite the hands willing to feed you.
I spent about an hour on the site, and all I read was hypocrisy and contention, and a great sympathy for those deceived by it. With poor logic and Scripture twisting, this site might be better labeled, “The Path of Destruction.” It slams doctrine, yet has a full site of indoctrination. It can include itself, in almost every topic they bring forth, on what a cult is. Please friends, if you have half a brain, use it, and run.
Only a fool despises the truth. Its likely you have been running from it your whole life while encouraging others to do the same. Maybe its time you stopped running and faced it.
Dear Mr. Hafichuk,
I believe that there is but one God and that God is Jesus Christ, that Lord Jesus is Father God. However, I don’t quite understand: why does the Lord calls Himself his own begotted Son, instead of just plainly telling us that He manifested Himself in the flesh to save us and gave human Himself the name Jesus? Is there a significance in calling Himself his own Son?
(And if you know something about this: why do some people say or theorize that the archangel Michael is actually Lord Jesus? This is a confusing concept.)
Hi Krisztina, I believe you can find your answer about why God revealed Himself as The Son here:
And in regards to plainly stating that He came in the flesh, you’ll see that here:
1Ti 3:16 This Christian life is a great mystery, far exceeding our understanding, but some things are clear enough: He appeared in a human body, was proved right by the invisible Spirit, was seen by angels. He was proclaimed among all kinds of peoples, believed in all over the world, taken up into heavenly glory.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Regarding the angel Michael, people come up with all sorts of opinions and theorize about many things. Forget about it and move on in the things that you know are true. It’s not about knowledge anyway – it’s about believing and obeying.
Thank you for your answer, the article did help.
Are you still reading here at the site Krisztina?
Why did you reasonably respond to her and not blast her with a bunch of name calling as you did with me?
Off your medication now?
Krisztina asked a reasonable question in a respectful way, so she received a reasonable response.
So you can recognize reasonability, but don’t require it of yourself? And where were you blasted, specifically?
The answers are on the website. Start reading. If you don’t find it at first, it won’t be wasted time. It’s all worth reading.
thank you for getting back to me victor, i will definitely read over the teaching on seeing God. I had another question i would hope you could help me with. i have been reading a lot on the lake of fire/second death and well here is my question.
in the lake of fire/ the second death, death and hell(the grave), satan, the false prophet, and the beast are destroyed in it. then why don’t the people whose names were not written in the book of life, that were cast into it, have the same result ? And why is it called the second death if its not a death (spiritual) ?
i’m not trying to refute restoration but it seems to be teaching conditional immortality (annihilationism).
I greatly look forward to hearing from you again.
victor or paul,
I want to thank you for your site and the vast amount of articles both of you have written. I must have 20 tabs open
as I write, on pages I want to read. until I ran across your web site I was reading a lot from Elwin R. Roach
godfire.net I wouldn’t mind to get your thoughts on his site but i’m sure you will find him to teach in accord with the word and thepathoftruth.com plus I don’t see him on your false teachers list.
I was reading over your page on The Origin and Identity of Satan and The Purpose of Evil and I had a thought come to
my mind. I believe our God created everything that exist in heaven and on earth and all for his glory, an NOTHING exist outside of HIM. Our God does have a purpose and a plan for all things that exist and his will is sovereign over all, praise be to God forever end ever. My thought was this or question; if satan is carrying out the purpose for which he was created, then wouldn’t he being doing the will of God or what God wills ?
one other thought… man hath not seen God at any time, 1 John 4:12, John 1:18, John 6:46, Exodus 33:20, Exodus 33:23. I believe that to be because of sin, although moses was able to see Gods back. if it is because of sin why is satan allowed to see God? Job 1:6,7 I know, that’s a hard one.
just a couple of thoughts while reading over those two sections. next up your page on Law and Grace.
well hope to hear back.
Jamie. bay city MI.
Jamie, yes, Satan does God’s will. Read Job 1 and 2, for example.
As to seeing God’s Face, I believe we wrote something on that years ago – do a search on our site with various keywords and it should come up for you. It involves a misunderstanding of how one sees God’s Face. Didn’t Isaiah say he saw the Lord? Didn’t Paul the apostle claim the same? And what about John in Revelation?
Try this: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/seeing-god-and-living.htm
That’s not doing God’s will.
Try and tell God that, Brad.
Your understanding about 1 Timothy 2:12 is wrong. That passage does not refer to women in general. The passage is about a specific married woman who was in the flesh, “authentein” The was teaching her husband the reversal of divine order in verse 13
And the principles Paul brings up in the next verses aren’t general principles, right?
Victor Hafichuk: You are a false teacher. You not only propagate lies, but slander people as well.
As Jesus so eloquently stated, “You honor me with your lips, but your heart is far from me.”
No , you are wrong. Victor is a real man of God.
How so? He attacks anyone that doesn’t kiss up to him and questions his attacks on others.
Totally agree. The Spirit of God does not spew such hatred as this guy and his little cronies. I don’t see this kind of disgusting hatred on worldly sites.
We “attack” serpents, children of the devil, that portray themselves as children of God, just as our Lord and His prophets did. With your own words, you condemn The Lord you say you worship. Fool and blind.
Matthew 23:19 KJV
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Matthew 23:33 KJV
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Luke 3:7 KJV
Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Acts 7:51-54 KJV
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.  Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:  Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.  When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Just as they did with Stephen: Tamara and you do, gnashing your teeth when your darkness is exposed. The problem is Brad, you think you are a son of God, just like the religious in The Lord’s day declared they were children of Abraham, and were not.
Hello. I just came across your site last night and began to read your story. I got up to section 5 of part one. I’ve really enjoyed it so far. Thank you for your perspective and transparency. I do have some questions that I’d like to ask you privately if possible, is there an email address I can use to communicate?
You may write me at Victor@ThePathofTruth.com. I will want to know who I’m dealing with.
Is there anyway to block this website from appearing in my search. It grieves my spirit everytime I search something and this work of Satan shows up.. I am sorry for being straight forward. I am praying for you Br Victor.
No , you are wrong. Victor is a real man of God.
Glad to hear that Cristian but we ask you to provide more substance in the future.
Yep, it’s disgusting. I haven’t seen such hatred even on Youtube.
I read at this website every day Kavita, in what way have you determined it to be a work of Satan? You should consider Satan comes masquerading as an angel of light and love, his ministers would come in that same spirit and “tickle ears”.
And conversely understand that the truth comes as the opposite, as a “thief in the night”, appearing rude or unwelcome, so much so that they tortured Him to death. The Truth hurts, and ultimately kills. Have you taken up that cross? Have you repented?
Dear, Kavita. About blocking this website. You could try hiding in a cave and asking the rocks to fall on you but you should consider these scriptures first.
“They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the Face of Him Who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!” Rev 6:16. NIV
“Where shall I go from Your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from Your Presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, You are there! If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me. If I say, “Surely the darkness shall cover me, and the light about me be night,” even the darkness is not dark to You; the night is bright as the day, for darkness is as light with You.” Psalm 139 :7-12. ESV
“Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.”
Jeremiah 23:24. KJV
You see Kavita, it’s impossible to hide from the Spirit of God. He shows up everywhere, even on Google. If you find that this grieves your spirit, then the problem is with you.
Sounds similar to the young man who wasn’t willing to give up earthly riches and take up the cross:
Mark 10:21-22 (MKJV)
21 Then Jesus, beholding him, loved him and said to him, One thing you lack. Go, sell whatever you have and give it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in Heaven. And come, take up the cross and follow Me.
22 And he was sad at that saying and went away grieved, for he had great possessions.
Just as he couldn’t see the earthly riches he had were dung, compared to the heavenly riches: you aren’t able to see the false religion you have is counterfeit and dung. So you wickedly condemn this site as the work of Satan, and of course, provide no evidence or witness for your accusation, proving to be the very thing you judge TPOT for.
Hi Paul and Victor. I am hoping you can please help me on a prophecy concerning Egypt in Ezek. 29. about them being in desolation for 40 yrs .when did this happen please . thank you .Nick
Concern yourself with your relationship to the Lord. What is it?
I posted this on the Christian forum site that I subscribe to to warn people away from this hypocritical “truth” website.
Keep clear of this website. It is fake. It does not truthfully seek to maintain the truth of God’s Word. All it does is to criticise ministries that the fellow that made up the website disagrees with. He publishes lies and deceptive comments about true Christian ministries
The webmaster is Victor Hafichuk. He is a false teacher and is to be avoided.
He has a comments section on his website and only comments that agree with his criticism of the ministries are accepted. If anyone posts a comment that disagrees with him, he will erase it. He is not prepared to consider two sides of a story. The man is a liar and a hypocrite.
Don’t subscribe to the website and don’t listen to his lies he tells under the guise of Christian truth. Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light, and a lying hypocrite can pretend to be a faithful Christian seeking after truth.
Paul, how is my site hypocritical? How is it “fake”? Be specific and not hypocritical or lacking substance.
Where do you find any indication of our erasing opposing views… like yours here, for example? And am I obligated to give people opportunity to publish their points of view when I disagree and even find them toxic? Why should I? Is yours one of them? It seems so.
I criticize what you call “ministries,” suggesting they are Christian. I give substance with my criticism, backed by Scripture’s “It is written.” All you do here is criticize, slander, and condemn. Do we note any hypocrisy here, my “friend”?
You’re just another liar offended by the Truth.
That’s why you are hypocritical. Anyone that disagrees with you is a liar and evil. I never did anything but ask why and I was called names by your little pals.
Brad, it’s not clear to us how we offended you. You keep mentioning name-calling, but we’re not sure what you’re referring to.
Can you quote us please, and give us an opportunity to clarify or even apologize if necessary?
Brad, Martin asked you a very reasonable question, why don’t you answer it?
Paul, I’m asking, sincerely: HOW DO YOU KNOW that this Website is untrue? You need many, many Scriptures to validate YOUR untruths.
Ronnie Tanner I noticed nobody at TPoT comes up on the “unanswered comments” could we get Beryl added to that list? This comment came up there. Nevertheless it’s responded to now.
Hi Michael, the way it works is if someone is registered at the site then it ignores those comments. Beryl isn’t registered so she’s treated as a regular user.
Understood thank you!
wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of “TPoT”. I personally had drunken the “TPot-Kool-Aid” once and it took me awhile to escape the malicious influence of Mr. Hafichuck. It took a lot of prayers of family and friends. At the end divine intervention made me recognize what kind of fake the self proclaimed prophet Victor is. You will know them by their fruits….
Iris. Here’s what I hear in your comment. Sounds to me like you were worshiping Victor and not Christ. You were looking for approval rather than truth and when it wasn’t forthcoming, like a dog, you went back to your own vomit. That’s were you are now and that’s were you will stay until you learn to say “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”
Coming hear and smearing Victor in the way you have without any proof save for your own bitter experience, is not good enough.
Which teaching/s of Victor’s was it that you couldn’t handle? I have yet to find one example where Victor teaches anything contrary to God’s word in scripture. What makes him a “fake” prophet in your eyes??
What makes him a fake is the name calling. The Spirit of God is not about name calling. Come on, man.
I seem to recall Jesus had a few choice names for the Pharisees. Even in the old testament, Jesus/God used name calling when referring to evil people like false prophets and such. Go read your bible and then tell us that God is not into name calling. Victor is speaking truth, that’s why you hate him, and Christ.
“4 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. 36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,” (Matthew 12:34-36).
Wrong, Brad. Didn’t your father sometimes speak harshly when you were doing evil? The Lord has done the same thing with his creations, whether a servant for good or an enemy for evil. You’re very ignorant of Scriptures. There’s no way you picked up the Bible and red it cover to cover.
For your sake, read:
“It took a lot of prayers of family and friends“
Must not have been effective, then. Could it be because you prayed for the wrong things in your opposition to the Lord?
“At the end divine intervention made me recognize what kind of fake the self proclaimed prophet Victor is. You will know them by their fruits“
Why did you go to your family and friends and not to God, I notice? It’s because you hate Him. You don’t even have the decency to name Him, much less capitalize His Name.
Then you imply that Victor is somehow produces evil fruits – and conveniently fail to point them out – and yet for some reason, you didn’t know him by his fruits, even though he’s been completely honest with you and everyone else, publicly! Who does that but one of His own? The onus is on you to prove these things, with at least 2 to 3 witnesses.
“I personally had drunken the “TPot-Kool-Aid”“
That implies Victor kept you here against your will or somehow ‘brainwashed’ you. Again, you produce ZERO proof or evidence of this. Zilch. Nada. Everyone who has come to the Path of Truth has been changed by what they hear. 99.9% of them can’t hear what we say, then leave. You’re obviously not every wise, because if we were a ‘cult’, we’re pretty terrible at it!
You’re just a wicked, liar, Iris. You’ve never been brainwashed, only brainsoiled. By the Lord’s grace, you’ve been found out here. Something tells me you hid and hid things while you were here, just as you’re lying now. Is that what happened? Why do you now come out of hiding to ‘expose’ us with unproven allegations against and proven false witness your neighbors?
You have a lot to answer for and I’m betting you weren’t exactly a saint while you were here, if you were. Now’s the time to get honest with everyone here, especially the Lord.
Michael, if it’s the one and only “Iris” that I can recall who frequented our Sabbath meetings years ago online and left because I confronted her on her idolatry and sin, then you’ve nailed it here.
“Cults” don’t confront their followers or members of sins. Nor do they let them walk away any time they please. If people want to hang on to their position that conflicts with what we teach, what more can we have to do with them?
We do not punish or harass, we simply say, “You don’t need to be here. You don’t belong, so go where it pleases you. “You can’t eat your cake and have it, too.”
Thanks for pointing out the idolatry part, Victor. Perhaps it is the same woman.
Are you the same Iris that used to be on conference calls?
Same one I’m asking about, Isaiah. If it’s her, she has nothing to live for and is obviously sold out to sin and very bitter. Woe.
Your comment/s here are a clearly speak against you.
You claim that Victor only allows comments which agree with him, yet here you are!
Victor Victor! You sir are quite a character! I just so happened to have stumbled across your “The Path Of Truth” website. I was actually searching for an expose on a certain topic from a brilliant Bible teacher, whom shall remain anonymous. I don’t want to lead you into temptation by enticing you with a Bible teacher’s name that has not made it onto your pre approved truth list. I’m concerned you might go off on a tangent mouthing off foolish words of total nonsense that is rooted in self conceit and pride. Victor Nicholas Hafichuk, you’re extremely deceived sir. Perhaps your attitude can be somewhat understood by knowing what beliefs you imagine up – pay attention to how the truth is always spoken in love, unlike your false candor that is straight up carnaly minded and downright bigoted sir. We all will have to give an account to God for every word that proceeds from our mouths. Your account for every idle word you have spoken in this life until now will have you wanting on the day of judgment if you do not repent. There is still hope for you, but you must repent Victor and turn from your imaginery world that you have conjured up, you live in a fantasy land and you have given ear to demonic spirits therefore espousing totally demonic doctrines. You say that everyone will be saved – that’s totally unscriptual. You don’t believe in an everlasting place of torment, hell, punishment – totally unscriptual. You believe it’s possible for Satan to be reconciled back to God?????????????????? That the fires of Hell resemble purification?????????? I’m sure I’ll read some more false doctrine as I scan your website. I’m not trying to be nasty towards you, if I was I’d use descriptive and offensive words like you aimed at being derogatory and intended to offend the person by condescending them. What I am doing is passing judgment on your actions, not your soul only God can do that, and point blank rebuking you sir. If I was in front of you I’d oppose you to your face as the Apostle Paul did to Peter. You’re not sincerely deceived sir. You are bluntly put A HERITIC! Victor you seem intelligent, or so I gather from some of your writings although you’re incredibly deluded. There is great potential in you, I see it. God has a purpose for you sir but this, what you’re doing, is not it. With love Simon Gray.
What you have said are sheer accusation and merely expressing your opinion without substance. Please point out the unscriptural teachings as you said by quoting Scriptures. Have you red the teachings thoroughly posted in this website? As a start, I suggest you read: “Does God Speak Only Gentle Words?”
It’s quite ironic don’t you think that you feel the need to hide the name of this false teacher Mr Simon. Perhaps it’s a testament of yyour character, for it is written: Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.J ohn 3:20(NIV). At least on thepathoftruth, he’s not hiding. He’s laid everything bare knowing that he could be labeled a “HERETIC”. You on the other hand feel the need to hide, and we all know evil thrives in darkness, in hiding. Notice how your idea of salvation starts with Victor?? This in itself suggests that Christ may not know you as you do not know HIS ways. I truly hope you are not a pastor. How can the blind lead the blind?? Please share your website, so perhaps I can bookmark it somewhere and warn my brothers and sisters about the big wolf.
“A brilliant Bible teacher”?? Really? look at how you say that with such guile and arrogance. You obviously place your trust in this man more than you place your trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. Does that not bother you? Does that not scare you? To exchange the truth of God with a lie? to worship a creation above The Creator? Or did you not know that HE will not share HIS glory with anyone??
I appeal to you. Please repent. and turn from all ungodliness. Cry out if you have to. Beg HIM to save you. Seek HIM and ask HIM to save you. HE is faithful to those who diligently seek HIM. Stop the lies. Stop the deception. Stop the nonsense. End the Baal worship.
No , you are wrong. Victor is a real man of God.
Is this a recording? No, you are wrong. Victor is a real man of God? Can you post anything else, parrot?
Cristian are you still around?
Simon, if it’s impossible that God should save Satan, then you don’t stand a chance, do you?
Simon, you’re nothing but a religious snob. Go read your comment back to yourself and listen to your little, know-it-all, self righteous rant about Victor, and what is, and isn’t scriptural, as if you know what you’re talking about. You call Victor a “HERITIC” because he believes in God and trusts in Him when He says that He came to save the world. That “EVERY” knee will bow, and “EVERY” tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD. That through Him, the world will be reconciled to God. That God willed that all men should be saved.
Yet you, with all your worldly knowledge deny these clear teachings of the bible in favour of man’s false interpretations. False, because they give power to men who wish to control God, and His people.
Eternal, forever and ever, hell fire is a lie. What sort of a loving God would even think of such a place, never mind bring it into existence. We are told by people like you that few will make it into heaven. That most of mankind will go to hell. Is this the god you worship? One that burns 99% of mankind in hell fire forever because they didn’t make the mark within their short life span of three score and ten, maybe a few more for those that were strong??
You need to hear the Good News sir. You need to learn to love God because He is a God of love, and not because you fear He will burn you in eternal hell fire if you don’t. God is not a monster.
It seems like all you do is criticize and call other pastors/teachers false teachers. This is very repulsive; first of all, all of them are human, and not perfect. However, neither are you. While I agree, there are false teachers out there, I would say you are probably one of them. But, whatever; I just happened to stumble across one of your longwinded comments about who you presume to be one of the “false teachers, opening the pits of hell for all who listen to him’ and , all I have to say is, that the first thing that I thought was, ‘learn how to spell correctly before you unleash your hatred on others with your false teachings.’ This is beyond un-Christian, unloving, and repulsive. While I don’t agree with what everybody is teaching, yours is one of the most ridiculous I’ve ever read about. The dreams , lol – and you call other congegations around the country cults. Maybe, you should read your Bible a little closer instead of ripping it apart and hitting others over the head with it.
“It seems like all you do is criticize and call other pastors/teachers false teachers.”
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:11 NKJV
“This is very repulsive”
“And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in Me.” Mathew 11:6 NKJV
“…all of them are human, and not perfect. However, neither are you.”
Then they shouldn’t be teaching, do you know of any prophet in the Scriptures who didn’t teach perfect doctrine? Isn’t it all profitable for doctrine and correction? (2 Timothy 3:16)
Aren’t we commanded to be perfect? (Mathew 5:48). Where are you getting this idea from that it’s acceptable to teach truth with lies?
“I would say you are probably one of them. But, whatever;…”
Calling someone a false teacher if wrong is a death sentence, (Deut 18:19). Imagine if someone said to Moses, “You are probably a false teacher”. Read Duet 19:15-21 as well. You need to be sure about this, not guess, you need to provide evidence.
“all I have to say is, that the first thing that I thought was, ‘learn how to spell correctly’…”
“The dreams , lol – and you call other congegations around the country cults.”
Perhaps it would be helpful if you quoted spelling mistakes like I did above for you.
“Maybe, you should read your Bible a little closer”
For what? What have you found here that is not true? Teach us, since you know. Or will you leave us in our error?
I’ve noticed a trend with Babylonians: they “lol” and giggle at serious matters, like Pat did here.
What makes it more interesting to me is they do this, yet most believe folks will burn in hell forever. If anybody should be uber serious, it would be those that believe this. Signs of demons
“Maybe, you should read your Bible a little closer instead of ripping it apart and hitting others over the head with it.”
Is that what you think about correction from God? Is it so horrible to you that you should compare it to bashing somebody in the head? What utter disdain you have for the Lord’s mercy!
“He who listens to life-giving reproof will dwell among the wise. He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains understanding.” (Proverbs 15:32 BSB)
“Anyone who loves correction loves knowledge. Anyone who hates to be corrected is stupid.” (Proverbs 12:1 NIV)
Correction and criticism are there to save your soul Pat. To reject them is to hate yourself because they are the only thing that will deliver you from your miserable state.
did you really read the bible with holy spirits? Have you seen the doctrines of each church before judging whether each church is demon-like?
Did you say what God said to you? You look like seem hostile to all Christians and hole church in the world.
Karen, Jesus said few there be that find it. We don’t need to know every little thing about a church if we know the truth. He who is spiritual judges all things, so yes, we are with the Holy Spirit, and the Lord is with us. And His message is simple, repent. Have you done that?
Didn’t Jesus seem “hostile” to the religious also?
sorry but you are good twisting scriptures! and God is not Jesus! where is the wisdom from God you are boasting! and God gives wisdom to thise who himbled yheir heart not a proud one
Haan, you’re wrong, so wrong.
Where are the scriptures twisted?
“God is not Jesus!” Prove it Haan.
“And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Exodus 3:14 NKJV
“Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58 NKJV
“You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am.” John 13:13 NKJV
“Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” John 14:9 NKJV
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16 NKJV
“For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His Name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Isiah 9:6 NKJV
Jesus Christ is also known as the Father, God, and Counselor.
Jesus Christ is God.
I was watching a Sid Roth podcast and just kinda had to roll my eyes at the guests, and his infomercial type audience. Not really for me, but im going to stop short of calling him a false prophet or a shiester. Not my style, but im not going to put God in a box and say he cant use such poeple to encourage or lead people to Christ. I DID look for some dirt on the guy and didnt really find anything solid enough to put him in the fraud category. I came upon your website and read what you had to say. You did not convince me. I think you need more than just feelings of “not liking the guy” (which IMO is all you got)to say he’s not a Christian ( btw youre not in a postion to make that determination) or that he doesn’t doesn’t do any good for a certain section of believers. Of the scriptures you posted i didbt see how they applied to the man. Sorry, try harder.
“but im going to stop short of calling him a false prophet or a shiester. Not my style”
Well it should be your style, that’s how Jesus rolls.
“btw youre not in a postion to make that determination”
Do you realize that by saying Victor doesn’t have the authority to judge, you are saying you not only have the authority to make that judgement but also have the authority to stop someone else from judging?
Here is a small sampling of how we have the right and duty to judge;
“He must hold firm to the trustworthy Word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it” (Titus 1:9 ESV).
“Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you” (Titus 2:15 MKJV).
“These are the things that you shall do: speak every man the truth with his neighbor. Execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates” (Zechariah 8:16 WEB).
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them” (Ephesians 5:11 MKJV).
“Those who sin, rebuke before all, so that the rest also may fear” (1 Timothy 5:20 MKJV).
“Preach the Word, be instant in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:2 MKJV).
“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24 NKJV
Read my comment to someone who asked a question similar to yours, where there is more than enough proof to show Sid Roth is a false teacher.
Regarding false prophets, you do not mention Sam Allberry of Living Out Ministries.
From this page: https://www.thepathoftruth.com/false-teachers/index.htm
A teacher I follow is not listed here. Does that mean they aren’t false?
This list is not meant to be an exhaustive one. What is important is that one learns to discern truth from error.
“Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between him who serves God, and him who does not serve Him” (Malachi 3:18 MKJV).
No person rightfully takes upon himself the role of a teacher or any other ministry of God without God’s power and authority. In a world full of teachers, preachers, elders, deacons, speakers, writers, evangelists, pastors, prophets, and apostles, rare are the true ministers representing the Lord Jesus Christ. Many are the false, and very few the true, even as in Noah’s day.
It’s pretty nasty calling other believers ‘devil’, where is the love and kindness of Jesus here?
Here is the kindness of The Lord Jesus Christ,
Then Jesus said to the Jews who believed on Him, if you continue in My Word, you are my disciples indeed.
And you shall know The Truth and The Truth shall make you free.
They answered Him, we are Abraham’s seed and where never in bondage to anyone. How do you say, you will be made free?
Jesus answered them, truly, truly, I say to you, whoever practices sin is the slave to sin.
And the slave does not abide in the house forever, but the Son abides forever.
Therefore if The Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
I know that you are Abraham’s seed, but you seek to kill Me because my Word has no place in your you.
I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you, then, do what you have seen with your father.
They answered and said to Him, Abraham is our father. Jesus answered them, if you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham.
But now you seek to kill Me, a man who has told you The Truth which I have heard beside God; this Abraham did not do.
You do the deeds of your father. Then they said to Him. We are not born of fornication; we have one father, even God.
Jesus said to them, if God were your Father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
Why do you not know My speech? Because you cannot hear My Word
You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in The Truth because there is no Truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
I’m aware of the kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ. My comment was referring to the lack of kindness from the authors of this site if anyone dares to question or put forth their interpretation, there is nasty name-calling such as ‘stupid, snake, slither away, you are not born again’ accusing people of having demons, wow! The Holy Spirit has convicted me that there is something wrong here, or should I ignore my spiritual discernment?
Amen. Some of these “false teachers” are not what you say they are. I appreciate seeing things about some teachers I had heard about like Todd? White when you point out “signs and wonders”. I hadn’t thought about that. But I find your comments to your readers abusive and it is unbecoming of a born-again Christian. “Let you speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that it may give grace to the hearers.” If you say, “Well Jesus called them “a brood of vipers” but can you see into their soul like He did? You should rebuke your brother in love but name calling is so offensive and you too will give an account for every word that you have spoken. Remember that verse “whoever is angry with his brother without a cause……or calls him a fool may be found guilty of Hell’s fire? It’s okay to say that this person is doing such and such but the Bible says…… But to call out people who oppose your style of writing, demons makes you just as guilty of committing sin. Christians aren’t to attack, we are to attract people to source of their salvation.
I agree with you Susan. “false teachers” come in many forms. I think that any Pastor is just a man attempting to speak God’s Word. At the end of the day they have formed an opinion of God’s Word and its up to us to discern if what they say speaks the truth. That comes with spending time in the Word yourself and through prayer. I don’t think its up to any of us including this Victor person to say anyone is a false prophet, because who is Victor to judge? God is the only person with authority to judge and help us discern the truth.
I probably got a little long winded, but also want to Thank Wendy as well.
I listen to Joyce Meyer, she is on everywhere. I could say she is a false prophet, the list could continue.
Everyone just needs to learn to LOVE that is the truth of the Gods Word.
Cathy, you don’t know how to tell the true from the false. I am in God’s stead, sent by Him. I have the Mind of Christ to judge righteous judgment. I am One with Him. These are all fulfilled promises from Him as declared to me personally and as evidently recorded in the Scriptures. Prove me wrong. You can’t.
You have no fellowship with the Living, Resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. You never have, and you speak in ignorance, presuming to understand when you prove and even declare yourself to be in darkness. Great contradiction.
Susan, you are wrong. God has sent you strong delusion that you should believe lies because you haven’t loved the Truth.
Christ lives in me, Even as the Father sent Jesus and He was One with the Father, so I am sent by Jesus and One with Him.
You may not be using evidently harsh terms, but you DO blaspheme and judge after the appearance, so which is worse? Jesus did the former and not the latter. But that doesn’t matter to you, does it? You’ll keep your other Jesus as do many millions, and you’ll perish with him. Sad, tragic, but true.
Read Matthew 23 and then tell me all about your spiritual discernment, Wendy. There are many other such testimonies in the Scriptures. I say you come from another gospel and another Jesus. You’ve been duped, to your destruction. I’m speaking to false brothers, your being one of them.
OK, it is going way too far. Anyone who questions you or doesn’t agree with you is evil in your opinion.
That’s extremely unloving.
Words of David, a man after God’s heart as the Scriptures declare:
Berean Study Bible
Do I not hate those who hate You, O LORD, and detest those who rise against You?
Laura, you’ve been ravished by the false love, as described at our site. You are the harlot’s victim and now the harlot herself. Her mission is completed with one who doesn’t love at all but only seeks to be loved. THAT is the issue.
True, Christians are harboring Pagan spirits, but remember this. We are all good, regardless of religious differences and beliefs. Culture teaches us to accept the Lord’s sacrifices and that we are all meek, but not all religions believe in sacrifices. Really, there is only good. Evil is a belief in matter. When we rise above our transgressions, we can see that nothing negative really matters and evil is just false belief in matter.
True, God is the greatest.source of all creation. God is Lord and the greatness of God’s power to create or destroy is beyond our grasp as meek followers who believe in God’s power, but truly, we are meek. God is the power and God created everything and everyone, his greatness is unsurpassed and regardless of fundamental differences, we are all united by God’s positive message of resurrection and eternal life. There is no need to transgress, but we all do, God is the master!
Did you see Victors merciful reply to your religious philosophizing? What garbage the Lord has to put up with! Many of you don’t even make any sense but you think you’re so spiritual.
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Like you said,,, “my spiritual discernment”. You don’t have the discernment of Jesus Christ. If you did, you would recognise His voice speaking to you through Victor and others at this site.
You would do well to listen before you speak.
Read the teaching here and then ask the Lord Jesus Christ for His discernment.
If Jesus came back today, you religious types would have Him crucified all over again on the grounds that He hurt your feeling.
Right, that’s what I am saying, but these people don’t listen. Jesus isn’t about hate and we are to love our enemies. These guys are just name callers and haters.
Believe your devils all you wish, Wendy. That’s what you’ve been doing. What have we to do with you?
Wendy, do you mean as when Jesus addressed Peter? Do you mean as when James addressed a letter to the “twelve tribes scattered abroad” as adulterers and adulteresses? You worship another, UNREAL Jesus, as the apostle Paul warned. I present to you the Risen Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture and Universe.
Your leftist, fleshly love and kindness will now be exposed. The fires are here, as I’ve prophesied for nearly half a century.
The Devil is a fiction. In reality there is no Hell, only eternity. True, transgressions can lead us on a negative path, but really, there is only God and God’s gift is eternal intelligence and genius to man.
21st Century King James Version
36 He that believeth in the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
Victor – I remember corresponding with you several years ago regarding the article on cults. So I’m not new to your site, your group, or your teaching. One quick question, which I’m sure you’ll answer with uncalled-for length. You say that a false teacher is one “who presume[s] to teach in their own authority . . . often in the name of the Lord, when he has not sent them. . . .” What proof do you offer that shows that God has indeed called you to preach His message?
Michael E again. Satan, give it up. As Jesus said:
“A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. And there shall no sign be given to it, except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” “And He left them and went away” (Matthew 16:4 MKJV).
Also, what proof do you have of authority and understanding to question me? No proof will satisfy my enemies and my friends don’t need proof.
Is that long enough for you, devil?
Seems to me you guys both broke Jesus’ most important commandment (Mat. 5:44) insulting each other and taunting is definitely not ‘loving your enemy’.
Let all of us be humble and quick to repent when we speak idle words
Absolutely. And what, Scott, are “idle” words? Do you know?
1 year later… he must still be thinking it over.
Amen! Jesus said you will know them by their fruit. moving on to greener fields. Shalom!
The time has come when you, Rose Marie, will find your “greener fields” burned up in fire, drought, and famine.
Graeme, you may be right and you may be wrong. “Seems” is rarely good enough, though. And if Jesus was justified in speaking to Peter, a prime apostle, saying, “Get you behind Me, Satan: you are an offense to Me: for you mind not the things that be of God, but those that be of men,” then how does your “seems” measure up to God’s standards now? Is it of God or of men? Tell me.
I will answer that question. In Matthew 16 Peter makes 2 statements which elicite responses from Jesus. The first was when he answered Jesus’ question, “and who do you say that I am?” To which Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you Simon bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in Heaver. You shall be called Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church.” Jesus has some more to say, then he begins telling the disciples how He is going to be arrested, beaten, and crucified, but on the third day He will rise again. This time Peter pull Him aside and rebukes Him, “This shall never happen to you Lord.” To which Jesus replied, “Get you behind Me, Satan, you are an offense to Me, for you mind not the things that be of God, but those the be of men.” If Peter is the Rock on which Jesus built His church, then did He really build it upon Satan? No! In both cases Jesus was speaking to what Peter said, not Peter the man. The “rock” is “You are the Christ the Son of the Living God,” and “Satan” is “This shall never happen to you Lord.” While Jesus did change his name to Peter, I think you will find He did that before this incident. No, Peter is not the rock. Jesus is.
Not sure I can agree with you saying Jesus was speaking to what Peter said, Peter said what he did because that’s who he was. He needed a change of nature as do we all. Why do you make this case that way? I’m not even sure what question your attempting to answer.
Graeme, you are of Satan when you try to inject your fake love into everything. A battle is happening between good and evil and here’s Graeme playing righteous referee!
Doesn’t it occur to you that maybe one of them has the Truth while the other is coming with false accusations? Who made you the judge of both of them?! You’re so self-righteous and presumptive to just roll up in here, ask no questions or consider anything then just spew “Ok, break it up guys, can’t we just love each other”? It’s dumb and completely useless because you don’t actually stand for anything.
Here’s your state:
lol not to be rude, but ‘Satan, give it up’ seriously cracked me up.
“Woe to you who are full, For you shall hunger. Woe to you who laugh now, For you shall mourn and weep.” Luke 6:25 NKJV
Why do you find the things of God funny? Are these not life and death matters?
I guess when Jesus said to Peter, whom He loved, “get behind me Satan”, He was trying to get Peter to lighten up, rene?
Keep chuckling. The world is burning for such blasphemy as yours. You won’t escape the sword, “covid”, inflation or whatever else is plaguing you right now. You earned it with your careless attitude towards God.
It cracked you up because you are of Satan, being wicked and stupid in your sins.
I all agreed with you about Shuterland church pastor Frank Pometoy.
I’d like so much to hear your opinion about his candidature to Texas’s Senat.
I’ve said it all, haven’t I?
I smell a rat here. In my opinion after reading your unfounded attack on Zac Poonan, that you are a heretic. Uou call others a “devil” who question your motives and your “faith,” but aren’t YOU the one who is, in fact, a tool of Satan?
I happened upon this website while researching a local church. Mine, I also felt the Holy Spirit telling me to leave and read no more.
How do you know it was the Holy Spirit telling you to leave and not just your hurt feelings? You think God owes you some respect??
The thing that people hate most about this website is TRUTH. If you can’t handle the TRUTH then maybe you should leave and go on living in your delusional state!
“but aren’t YOU the one who is, in fact, a tool of Satan?“
You sound cocksure. Let’s have you proof, since you obviously think you know what you’re talking about.
Go on! Enlighten us with exactly where we err. Prove before God, in His Court, we made an “unfounded attack”. If we’re in the wrong, we’ll apologize. But if we’re right, you are in need of repentance and need to apologize for your quickdraw judgment of us.
That’s rude. I can’t say I have never been rude. A human being wrote you a question. Answer a human being with respect please. Thank you.
Which question are you referring to? This comment thread has become a bit tangled so without quoting it’s difficult to understand what you’re talking about.
I think that we both believe that God has a plan that All (100%) of the people that he created will be returned to himself in his own time. Not all will take the narrow path. It will be very different for most in the after life of there cleansing with truth and love from God. It will be very difficult for them but, not God. Gods love is never ending, he knows all what needs to be done, he has power that nothing can stop and he will do his WILL. Its not hard for me to believe this if God is LOVE, and he is All knowing of the past, present and future of every person before he creates them. That he is All powerful that there is NOTHING that he can’t do. And his WILL is not punishment with no end but, all to receive the gift. On a different note!!! One problem with a lot of Christian folks is they think they know all the answers and everyone else works for the Devil if they don’t teach what they believe. There’s a lot of name calling and Hell damming that in my opinion does not do any good for Gods . How is anyone going to reach hearts of anyone that way? Its like going to work all day and forgetting to punch in and not getting paid. I believe love is how to punch in not name calling and so on. Offending people does not work!!
People always get offended by the truth. Would you have Victor keep people in the dark by telling what they want to hear, rather than bringing them into the light with what they need to hear? Jesus offended many people and was killed for it. What’s changed?
Victor, you are my friend and have always spoken the Truth to me. I am very thankful.
To the author of the article on John Ramirez. I don’t agree with your assessment of John’s ministry style. I am not convinced of your argument. There is a glaring absence of proof. The testimony of John’s former life is critical to be a tool to win other Satanists to Jesus. Some of them want to get out. You are way too harsh in your assessment. I sincerely hope in your efforts to be a diligent Christian you are not being a tool of the devil (I had to say it).
Furthermore, anyone with demonic warfare experience will understand where John is coming from. I will be Praying for John Ramirez ministry and David Wilkerson ministry too.
And yet this fellow brother made a plug for his own book in the midst of his criticism of John. Smh!
Darla, have I not been appointed to publish my book? Am I disallowed by God to do so? Do you know? Do you find me preaching lies and falsehoods in it? Can you judge? And do you find a price tag on my book, other than your life at hearing the Truth distributed freely? Is that your concern?
Jackie, ignore the Lord’s counsel, demanding “substance,” go ahead and do as you say. It will be one of the first steps heading to where John described he was.
And have you red David’s book, The Vision? Many false prophecies that were supposed to come to pass in his designated time frame and didn’t. So, your kind regards are of no worth.
God will not listen to your prayers. He has spoken to you by me.
It is good to have Christian debates and question everything in religion that isn’t positive. Personally, I’m for the end of Holy Wars and religious differences. I support unity, respect, compassion, and forgiveness. Thanks, Path of Truth!
Still reading here Allen?
I like the length and want all the details. Might be one small think that makes it click.
Diane, what are you saying? Are you mocking? “The length and all the details” will not convince anyone.
Mat 27:40 and saying, You destroying the temple and building it in three days, save Yourself. If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Mat 27:41 And in the same way also the chief priests mocked, with the scribes and elders, saying,
Mat 27:42 He saved others, but He cannot save Himself. If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him.
The chief priests and scribes didn’t say that because they wanted to believe but just needed more convincing evidence, no, they couldn’t believe, so they mockingly said those words, further exposing their wicked hearts. How is it with you?
If you want proof, maybe you should continue to read the many truths published on this site. Only a man called by God could speak the words found within these teachings, everyone of them centred firmly on the scriptures.
Well, Michael you were right, after all, expecting I’d answer with “uncalled-for” length. You called for some length and received what you didn’t call for.
“What proof do you offer that shows that God has indeed called you to preach His message?“
There are plenty out there in the world willing to “put out” and prove what you’re asking for, Michael E, and you’ll have received ‘signs’ and ‘wonders’ from the world because you are wicked, just as Matthew 16:4 points out.
Want more length? Read the whole first two chapters of Proverbs https://biblia.com/books/esv/Pr1.1 I believe it describes who and what you’re after – it’s not Jesus Christ.
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