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The Suffering of the Saints
We received this response to our posting on Joseph
I have read the review
you have posted about Joseph Prince. Just for
the record, I am a relatively new believer, recently came out of the
Roman Catholic Church, and am very much in tune with the Holy Spirit.
I have had the Spirit lead me in the interpretation of the Word of God.
Now, God is a good God. He does not want His people to Suffer. I have
been studying the Bible and the preachings of pastors for a very long
time. One thing I have learned is this- Human understanding is different
from divine understanding. many times, I have scorned a particular interpretation
of the word, but the spirit tells me to look again, and reveals a lot
All Joseph Prince teaches is that as Christians, we need to look to
God for everything in every situation in our lives. That is it. He even
said in one of his sermons that he was only a messenger, but not God
himself, that people need to be more in tune with God. Now, How is that
being an antichrist?
Plus, if how else is He going to get money if not by the work he is
doing for God? Would you be happier if he was a pauper? And his name
is prince because God said, as believers, we are a Holy priesthood. Are
you trying to make him contradict God by calling himself a pauper?
I don’t really
mind what you are saying, because the true believer in Jesus is not
swayed by such reviews, but consider yourselves. God
advises us not to judge for certain reasons. From your human judgement,
and obviously without complete research, you have judged him evil. But
what if he is actually correct? How will God feel? I watch the way I
treat, and the way I talk to, believers, wether I believe their doctrine
or not because of 2 reasons
1) They might be right
from God’s view, in which case I will consult
God about it.
2) If they happened to be right, I am scourging God’s body/ Christ’s
3) If they are wrong, it is not their fault because the Bible teaches
that all men are predisposed to be evil without God
4) Every true believer will be drawn to God anyway, unless God is so
weak that He cannot call on the people He loves, which He is not.
I pray the Spirit leads you to stop what you are doing before it is
too late for your own good. May God bless you and be with you.
Victor and Paul’s reply:
“For His anger is only a moment; in His
favor is life. Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the
morning” (Psalms 30:5
Thank God He has delivered you from the Roman Catholic Church,
a great step in the right direction! If you’ve red my
testimony and/or Theo-autobiography, you’ll find the Lord delivered me
out of that organization in 1973 and out of its mysterious and powerful
spiritual clutches in 1977 when I thought I had been entirely through
What a surprise! You may not be as un-Catholic as you surmise. Read
about it at this link and what follows:
Strange Occurrence Leading To… Deliverance – Wow!
you’re likely still Catholic, unless having experienced
deliverance such as mine.
Yes, God is a good God. Have we said otherwise?
Does any Christian say otherwise? You also say, “He
does not want His people to Suffer.”
You’re right if you say God
doesn’t want His people
to suffer for wrongdoing:
“But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief, or an evildoer,
or a meddler in the affairs of others” (1 Peter 4:15
However, you’re so wrong if you categorically believe
want His people to suffer. It appears you’ve been misled
by the false teacher of prosperity you defend with misguided
what the Scriptures declare about the sufferings of the saints:
“But the Lord said to him, ‘Go! For this one is a chosen vessel
to Me, to bear My Name before nations and kings and the sons of Israel.
For I will show him what great things he must suffer
for My Name’s
sake’” (Acts 9:15-16 MKJV).
That was written of the apostle Paul, who wrote in later years:
(5) For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation
also abounds by Christ.
(6) And if we are troubled, it is for your consolation and salvation,
being worked out in the endurance of the same sufferings which we
also suffer; if we are comforted, it is for your consolation and
(7) And our hope of you is certain, knowing that as you are partakers
of the sufferings, so also of the consolation.
“That I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the
fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable to His death” (Philippians
“Who now rejoice in my sufferings on your behalf, and I
fill up the things lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh, on behalf
of His Body, which is the Church” (Colossians 1:24 MKJV).
A testimony from another apostle:
1 Peter 4:12-14 MKJV
(12) Beloved, do not be astonished at the fiery trial which is to try
you, as though a strange thing happened to you,
(13) but rejoice according as you are partakers of Christ’s suffering,
so that when His glory shall be revealed, you may be glad also with
(14) If you are reviled for the Name of Christ, you are blessed,
because the Spirit of God and of glory rests on you. Truly according
He is blasphemed, but according to you He is glorified.
“My brothers, take the prophets who have spoken in the Name of
the Lord for an example of suffering ill and of patience. Behold, we
those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Job, and you
have seen the end of the Lord, that the Lord is full of pity and of tender
mercy” (James 5:10-11 MKJV).
So doesn’t a good God want
His people to suffer? Here’s
what He says about those He receives:
Hebrews 12:5-8 MKJV
(5) And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you
as to sons, “My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord, nor faint
when you are rebuked by Him;
(6) for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and He scourges every
son whom He receives.”
(7) If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons,
for what son is he whom the father does not chasten?
(8) But if you are without chastisement, of which all are partakers,
then you are bastards and not sons.
Do scourging and chastisement
cause suffering? Of course they do. Is any son or daughter
of God exempt? No, He scourges every child
Who are those who refuse or don’t believe in believers
suffering, Jennifer? Look at verse 8 again.
think Noah and his family suffered? Couldn’t
God have saved them another way?
Didn’t the Lord want
Jacob to suffer? Jacob suffered much in many ways. By his
suffering, his name was changed
to Israel, after
whom is named the nation.
And where was Israel formed as a nation, if not in the iron furnace
“And He said to Abram, ‘You must surely know that your seed shall
be a stranger in a land not theirs, and shall serve them. And they
shall afflict them four hundred years. And also I will judge that nation
whom they shall serve. And afterward they shall come out with great
substance’” (Genesis 15:13-14 MKJV).
“Behold, I have refined you, but not with silver; I have chosen
you in the furnace of affliction” (Isaiah 48:10 MKJV).
“But the LORD has taken you and brought you out from the iron
furnace, out of Egypt, to be to Him a people of inheritance, as you are
today” (Deuteronomy 4:20 MKJV).
The Lord was the One Who directed Jacob to go down to Egypt and even
told him the purpose:
Genesis 46:2-4 MKJV
(2) And God spoke to Israel in the visions of the night, and said, “Jacob,
Jacob!” And he said, “Here I am.”
(3) And He said, “I am God, the God of your fathers. Do not fear
to go down into Egypt, for I will make of you a great nation.
(4) I will go down with you into Egypt, and I will also surely bring
you up again. And Joseph shall put his hand on your eyes.”
Joseph (Jacob’s son) have to suffer in preparation
for his calling? Couldn’t God have given him an easier way?
about Abraham, Isaac, and all the prophets, including John the
Didn’t the Lord want Job to suffer, even though
he was perfect, upright, eschewed evil, and feared God? Was
it not God
his safety hedge? How can you say God doesn’t want His
people to suffer? Read Job 1 and 2; read the whole book and
tell us what you
find. If you’re honest, you’ll have to admit that
your doctrine is directly from the pit of Hell, a doctrine
Yes, God is a good God indeed, but your concept of “good” isn’t
God’s. It is Joseph Prince’s anti-Christ concept.
The true saints of God are formed in a fiery furnace of affliction;
made into God’s image through suffering, Jennifer -
not something Joseph Prince teaches at all. Suffering and
are a necessary
part of God’s plan.
You follow a clever and charismatic
deceiver disguised as a messenger of God, deceitfully coming
in the Name of Jesus
been duped by one who takes great pride in himself, glorifying
himself before all and flaunting his earthly success at
the expense of all
that is good, godly, holy, and true.
Do you think you won’t
suffer when baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire?
“For it became Him, for Whom are all things and by Whom are all
things, in bringing many sons into glory, to perfect the Captain of their
through sufferings” (Hebrews 2:10 MKJV).
God is a
consuming fire, the Bible declares in Hebrews.
As with the
Head, so with His Body, His people, His Church:
1 Peter 4:16-19 MKJV
(16) But if one suffers as a Christian, let him not be
ashamed, but let him glorify God because of this.
(17) For the time has come for the judgment to
begin from the house of God. And if it first begins from
the end of
those disobeying the Gospel of God?
(18) And if the righteous one is scarcely saved, where
shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
(19) Therefore let those who suffer according to
the will of God commit their souls in well-doing, as to
What do you think martyrdom is all about? Wine
and roses? “Princely” garments
and mansions? The Devil persecuting the saints against
will? You have it all wrong, Jennifer. Wake up to God’s
“Yea, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be
persecuted [you will suffer]” (2 Timothy 3:12 MKJV).
Are you suffering
persecution? Is it God’s will that
we should live godly in Christ Jesus? Then it’s
His will that we should suffer persecution, though not
to your god, Joseph Prince.
You naively write, “[Joseph
Prince] even said in one of his sermons that he was only
a messenger, but not
Really? And you believe him for
that? Tell us, Jennifer, how many would Satan expect to
deceive by telling
people he was
“For such ones are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ. Did not even Satan marvelously
himself into an angel of light? Therefore it is no
great thing if his ministers also transform themselves as ministers of
whose end shall be according to their works” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15
In one breath you tell us, “I am a relatively
new believer,” then
you say, “I have been studying the Bible
and the preachings of pastors for a very long time.” Which is it? What is a “very
long time” to you? Are you saying you’ve been studying the
Bible far longer than you’ve been a believer? If you’ve truly
learned that we need divine understanding, how have you learned that
without being a believer and having the Lord’s Spirit to interpret
the Scriptures for you?
You ask, “Plus, if how else is He going
to get money if not by the work he is doing for God?” Are you
saying Prince can’t
make tents? Are you saying one must charge for preaching the Gospel?
Can you show us anywhere in Scripture where men of God asked for
pay for, or determined to make a living from, preaching, or where they
received a requested and expected reward from those benefiting from
How well did Elisha’s servant, Gehazi, do with
such thinking, Jennifer?
2 Kings 5:15-27 MKJV
(15) And [Naaman the Syrian] returned to the man of God, he and
all his company. And he came and stood before him. And he said, “Behold,
now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel. And
now please take a blessing from your servant.”
(16) But [Elisha] said, “As the LORD lives, before Whom I stand,
I will receive none.” And he urged him to take it, but he refused.
(17) And Naaman said, “Please shall there not then be given to
your servant two mules’ burden of earth? For your servant will
from now on offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice to other gods,
but to the LORD.
(18) In this thing may the LORD pardon your servant, that when
my master goes to the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he
my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon; when I bow
myself in the house of Rimmon, may the LORD pardon your servant
(19) And he said to him, “Go in peace.” And he went away
from him a little way.
(20) And Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, “Behold,
my master has spared Naaman the Syrian, in not receiving at his hand
that which he brought. But, as the LORD lives, I will run after him
and take something from him.”
(21) And Gehazi followed after Naaman. And Naaman saw him running
after him, and descended down from the chariot to meet him. And
he said, “Is
(22) And he said, “All is well. My master has sent me, saying, ‘Behold
this now, two young men from Mount Ephraim of the sons of the prophets
have come to me. Please give them a talent of silver and two changes
(23) And Naaman said, “Be content, take two talents.” And
he urged him and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two
changes of clothing. And he laid them on two of his servants. And they
carried them before him.
(24) And he came to the hill, and he took from their hand and
stowed them in the house. And he let the men go, and they departed.
(25) And he went in and stood before his master. And Elisha said
to him, “Where from, Gehazi?” And he said, “Your servant
did not go here or there.”
(26) And he said to him, “Did not my heart go with you when the
man turned again from his chariot to meet you? Is it a time to receive
silver and to receive clothing and olive-yards and vineyards and sheep
and oxen and menservants and maidservants?
(27) And the leprosy of Naaman shall cling to you and to your
seed forever.” And he went out from his presence as leprous
Are we saying men of God shouldn’t ever receive
money or gifts from those to whom they’ve ministered?
Not at all. The Scriptures clearly teach otherwise:
(7) Who serves as a soldier at his own wages at any time?
Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its fruit? Or who
and does not partake of the milk of the flock?
(8) Do I say these things according to man? Or does not the
Law say the same also?
(9) For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle
an ox threshing grain.” Does God take care for oxen?
(10) Or does He say it altogether for our sakes? It was written
for us, so that he who plows should plow in hope, and so
that he who
threshes in hope should be partaker of his hope.
(11) If we have sown to you spiritual things, is it a great
thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
We receive offerings,
but it’s the message and example
Joseph Prince gives that makes all the difference. He has
deceived you, and
we’ve clearly laid out how he is a deceiver. You
get it, bringing up points that really aren’t the
issue, and we don’t make them the issue. The issue
is that he does all that he does for himself, independent
Whom he claims to serve, and
you are blind to it. Yes, he speaks true things, but isn’t
that how Satan operates to deceive, snare, and destroy?
(Read The Nature
Do we expect men of God to be paupers? That
is a foolish question coming from an unlearned woman. For
one who is
have some understanding
from the Lord, you demonstrate very little, Jennifer, in
almost everything you say, ask, or boast about. Rather,
godly paupers to
be saints of God, with treasure in Heaven. Joseph Prince
when paupers believe, they are destined for earthly riches.
John the Immerser and all the apostles must have been false teachers
according to Prince.
“But Peter said, ‘Silver and gold have I none, but what
I have I give you. In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and
All their followers who remained poor in this
life were deceived or didn’t believe, according to Joseph
Prince. How foolish you are, Jennifer, in all your
darkness, drinking in lies told by a prince of
You worshipfully defend your god with, “And
his name is prince because God said, as believers,
we are a Holy
you name yourself “White Phantom” (Jennifer)
the Lord’s? Is he not presumptuous naming himself “Prince”?
Perhaps not - we say he’s a servant of the prince
of this world. Isn’t it ironic that he should
be telling his worshippers something true about himself,
while laughing at your naivety all the way to the
You say, “From your human judgement, and
obviously without complete research, you have judged
him evil.” You
accuse us of judging after the appearance, which is how
you judge us, Jennifer. How good
or wise is that? How do you know we aren’t judging
righteous judgment? How do you know we aren’t
discerning by the Spirit of God, while you judge after
the appearance, as for example believing
in Prince’s integrity when he says he isn’t
God? You don’t
know, and we do.
Here’s proof from your own lips:
“But what if he is actually correct? How
will God feel?” You
know, do you, Jennifer, that is, really know? Admit
it. Yet, you should know; for your life, you need to know, and if you
had the Lord’s
Spirit, you would know.
If you had understanding, you
couldn’t say the things
saying about the Lord, yourself, Joseph Prince, or
the Bible. You are in darkness, and you assume it to be
light. You go on exposing yourself:
“1) They might be right from God’s view, in which case I
will consult God about it.”
One, you say “they might be right.” You
Two, you say you will consult God. So, why haven’t
you? The truth is you don’t know because you haven’t
heard from the Lord.
You say, “2) If they happened
to be right, I am scourging God’s
“If.” So you can’t discern good and evil, you can’t
tell false brethren from true - Christ’s
Body from the harlot church - and therefore you
dare not reprove works of darkness. And
what is the problem with scourging God’s
we established that He does that with every son
He receives, those making up His Body? But what
you really mean is that you would be falsely
accusing, as you do with us.
You prefer to believe
liars, just in case they aren’t lying,
is that it? You want to hedge your bets. You’re
not a saint or daughter of God, Jennifer; you’re
a gambler and opportunist. Have you never heard
that not only can you know who’s true, you
must know, for your life?
Matthew 7:15-23 MKJV
(15) Beware of false prophets who come to you in
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
(16) You shall know them by their fruits. Do
men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
(17) Even so every good tree brings forth good
fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
(18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruits,
nor can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
(19) Every tree that does not bring forth good
fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
(20) Therefore by their fruits you shall know
(Speaking truths are not the fruits. Satan
speaks truths all the time, which is how he appears
as an angel of
(21) Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord!
enter the Kingdom of Heaven , but he who does the will
of My Father in Heaven.
(22) Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord! Lord! Did we not
prophesy in Your Name, and through Your Name throw out demons, and
through Your Name do many wonderful works?”
(23) And then I will say to them, “I never knew you!
Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!”
is in unbelief, the Scriptures, though studied night and
day for years, yield nothing
at all. It’s like you’ve never
red the Bible, Jennifer; your unbelief keeps
you in darkness. You’re
in the lusts of your flesh, idolatry, and foolishness.
The prince of this world binds you at his pleasure.
“For of these are those who creep into houses and lead captive
silly women loaded with sins, led away with different kinds of lusts,
learning and never able to come to the full knowledge
of the truth” (2
Timothy 3:6-7 MKJV).
You’re a “relatively
new believer,” but
been “studying the
Bible and the preachings of pastors for a very
long time.” “Ever
learning and never able to come to the full knowledge
of the truth.” You just don’t know.
We do, however, because we’ve been brought
through the fires; we have suffered and do suffer
for His sake, which sufferings bring
us to knowledge of the Truth in Him.
suffered, nor have you ever learnt from men of
God, receiving sound doctrine from true ministers.
You don’t know
the Lord; you hear from another Jesus.
You say, “3)
If they are wrong, it is not their fault because
the Bible teaches that all men are predisposed
to be evil without God.”
My, are you in darkness for
one who speaks so boldly! Have you ever red the Bible without
Bible is full
and instructions to reprove the works of darkness,
to rebuke the ungodly (believing or otherwise),
and to not
but you perceive none of that.
With your doctrine
(which we can readily see coming from Prince, it being his mentality
on the ignorant
you disregard any option of correction and
Your doctrine wouldn’t permit Peter to speak against
Simon (who believed and was baptized – Acts 8:18-22).
Your doctrine wouldn’t permit Paul to say, “But
even if we or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel to you
beside what we preached
to you, let him be accursed” (Galatians
You wouldn’t permit Paul to
rebuke Peter for his wrong with the Jews and
Gentiles (Galatians 2:11-16).
allow John the Immerser to speak as he did
to the people:
“Then he said to the crowd that came forth to be baptized by him, ‘O
generation of vipers! Who has warned you to
flee from the wrath to come?’” (Luke 3:7 MKJV)
And you certainly
wouldn’t allow Jesus to speak to
the Pharisees and scribes as He did in Matthew 23. You
may say, “Well, that
was Jesus! You’re not Him! Who do you
think you are?” We
repeat His words to us, which you’ve
never heard spoken to you:
“Then Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace to you. As My Father
has sent Me, even so I send you.’ And when He had said this, He
breathed on them and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. Of
whomever sins you remit, they are remitted to them. Of whomever sins
they are retained’” (John 20:21-23
We are given to understand and deal
with the sins of others and to remit or retain
Now we deal
You may believe you’re counted
among the priesthood of believers, Jennifer,
but you’ve never received
His Spirit and heard those words, have you? No, you haven’t.
You’ve never been salted
Look, Jennifer, it isn’t
a problem that you know little or nothing.
We don’t condemn or fault you
for that. Your problem is that you speak as though you
know something when you don’t. Didn’t
Jesus rebuke people for that?
“Jesus said to them, ‘If you were blind, you would have
no sin. But now you say, We see. Therefore your sin remains’” (John
Claiming to see and understand,
you write in all foolishness and ignorance:
“4) Every true believer will be drawn to
God anyway, unless God is so weak that He cannot call on the people
He loves, which He is not.”
believers have already been drawn to God, or they wouldn’t
be true believers. You’re confused.
And shall God not send His servants to
preach the Truth, whereby people are brought
“How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed?
And how shall they believe in Him of Whom they have not heard? And how
shall they hear without preaching? And
how shall they preach unless
they are sent? As it is written, ‘How
beautiful are the feet of those who preach
the Gospel of peace and bring glad tidings
things!’” (Romans 10:14-15
Shall God not rebuke and reprove
by His servants? Where did you get your
got it from the
prince of this
has deceived you by his servant, Joseph
You boast that you’re “very
much in tune with the Holy Spirit.” How
can you make such a statement unless
entirely in self-righteousness? You’re
wrong, Jennifer, and the Lord has brought
you here to us so you may hear the truth
You preach to and rebuke elders
without authority, knowledge, or understanding,
what you’re doing. You think you’re
a mature and godly woman, Jennifer, but
the truth is you’re impertinent,
presumptuous, ignorant, and proud. You
have never learned from the Lord as you
think. You need to tear your garments,
put on sackcloth,
pour ashes on your head, fast, and pray.
need to confess your sins and repent
of your pride and your lusts, which have
professing Christ makes it even worse,
because you’re taking
His Name in vain. For this you aren’t
held guiltless, as the Third Commandment
Good to come out of Catholicism,
but not much good if you come away
Pope of Rome)
(Prince of this world). Yes, you do worship Joseph Prince, know it or not.
Still, may the fire of God purge
and deliver you from your idolatry. It
will when your
sun rises and sets
each day. It begins today by His
Word of Truth we speak to you, which
is like fire.
Victor and Paul
Victor wrote to those gathered with us:
Good Sabbath, everyone!
Mariko writes: “I often wonder if I will
ever get to the promised end but it is great to know there is an end.
In the meantime, I just
try to do whatever is required and enjoy what I am doing. Thank You,
Lord for your mercy. Praise the Lord!!”
Mariko, perhaps when
you wrote these words, “I just try
to do whatever is required and enjoy what I am doing,” you meant
to speak of acceptance and thanksgiving; however, I wish to clarify
the sakes of all because I think it’s important to discern
The Lord is faithful and will bring all those who
endure, not enjoy, to the end, into the Promised Land of Rest.
It is very good and
I would say, highly necessary, to thank the Lord, not only for
the good things He doesn’t “withhold from those who
walk uprightly” (Psalm 84:11), but for all things, including
those things we suffer and don’t enjoy, but must endure.
It certainly isn’t that the Lord would have you be generally
miserable (God forbid), but it is also as certain that He isn’t
expecting those He receives, scourges, and chastens to enjoy everything, either.
The saints like Abel, Noah, Shem, Enoch,
Abraham, Sarah, Isaac,
Rebecca, Jacob, Leah, Rachel, Joseph, Judah, Reuben, and Jacob’s
other sons, Moses, David, Job, Daniel, his three friends -
and Mishael - the children of Israel as a nation, every one
of the judges and prophets, John the Immerser, and all the
had very difficult times they weren’t expected to enjoy.
Even Solomon found that the things of this world were what?
Matters of enjoyment?
“Vanity of vanities, says the preacher, vanity of vanities! All
is vanity” (Ecclesiastes
“I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold,
all is vanity and vexation of spirit” (Ecclesiastes 1:14 MKJV).
“I said in my heart, ‘Come now, I will test you with mirth; therefore
consider and behold goodness’; this also is vanity” (Ecclesiastes
“Then I looked on all the works that my hands had done, and on
the labor that I had labored to do; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation
spirit; and there is no profit under the sun” (Ecclesiastes
Know that the Lord and His prophets and disciples
once directed or expected any of the saints to enjoy themselves.
it. Take Peter, John, Stephen, James, Paul, and Silas,
Jesus said to Peter: “Truly, truly, I say
to you, ‘When
you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you
wished. But when you grow old, you shall stretch forth
your hands and another shall
gird you and carry you where you do not wish’” (John
Acts 5:40-42 MKJV
(40) And calling the apostles, beating them, they commanded
not to speak in the Name of Jesus, and let them go.
(41) Then indeed they departed from the presence of the
Sanhedrin, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to
be shamed for
(42) And every day in the temple, and from house to house,
they did not cease teaching and preaching the Gospel:
Stephen: Acts 7.
The saints and Paul:
Acts 9:13-16 MKJV
(13) And Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many of this
man, how many evil things he has done to Your saints at Jerusalem.
(14) And here he has authority from the chief priests
to bind all who call on Your Name.”
(15) But the Lord said to him, “Go! For this one is a chosen
vessel to Me, to bear My Name before nations and kings and the sons
(16) For I will show him what great things he must
suffer for My Name’s
James and Peter:
Acts 12:1-4 MKJV
(1) And at that time Herod the king threw on his hands
to oppress some of those of the church.
(2) And he killed James, the brother of John, with
(3) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he went
further to seize Peter also. (And they were days
(4) And capturing him, he put him in prison, and
delivered him to four sets of four soldiers to keep
people after the Passover.
Even the most powerful
angels and greatest in authority in Heaven must suffer
things (Jude 1:9). And Jesus,
God and Perfect Example, suffered most of all, on
our behalf. How did His perfection come? Was it by
Hebrews 5:7-9 MKJV
(7) For Jesus, in the days of His flesh, when He
had offered up prayers and supplications with strong
Who was able
to save Him from death, and was heard in that He
(8) though being a Son, yet He learned obedience
by the things which He suffered.
(9) And being perfected, He became the Author of
eternal salvation to all those who obey Him.
did Paul and Silas teach the saints?
“And preaching the Gospel to that city, and having made many disciples,
they returned to Lystra and Iconium and Antioch,
confirming the souls of the disciples, calling on them to continue in
the faith and that
through much tribulation we must enter
into the Kingdom of God” (Acts
And what happened to Paul and Silas?
Acts 16:19-24 MKJV
(19) And when her masters saw that the hope of
their gain went out, having seized Paul and Silas,
(20) And bringing them near to the judges, they
men, being Jews, are exceedingly troubling our city.
(21) And they teach customs which are not lawful
for us to receive nor to do, being Romans.”
(22) And the crowd rose up against them. And
tearing off their clothes, the judges ordered
them to be
(23) And after laying on them many stripes, they
threw them into prison, commanding the jailor
to keep them
(24) who, having received such a command, thrust
them into the inner prison and made their feet
fast in the
Is it about enjoyment, or is it about
accepting our circumstances and giving thanks to God? Here
is Paul’s and Silas’ response
in their very trying circumstances:
“And toward midnight Paul and Silas prayed and praised God in
a hymn. And the prisoners listened to them” (Acts 16:25 MKJV).
In his old age, John suffered exile on Patmos, an island for outcasts
and prisoners, I believe. Did he enjoy it? Not likely, but we believe
he accepted it and gave thanks.
We have a record from the Hebrews writer
of what happened to many of the saints. Do read Hebrews 11 and ask
yourself if they enjoyed themselves
or endured; whether it be those who, on the one hand, conquered by
the shedding of blood by the sword, like David, or on the other hand,
were persecuted, suffered great hardships, and were slain.
end, what did Solomon have to say was the key of life? Enjoy yourself?
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Fear
God, and keep His commandments. For this is the whole duty of man. For
God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing,
is good, or whether evil” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 MKJV).
a psalm that gives a balanced perspective of rejoicing in the
Lord (not the same as enjoying) and giving thanks by faith,
Psalms 30:1-12 MKJV
(1) A psalm and song at the dedication of the house of David.
I will praise You, O LORD; for You have lifted me up, and
my foes to rejoice over me.
(2) O LORD my God, I cried to You, and You have healed me.
(3) O LORD, You have brought up my soul from the grave; You
have kept me alive, so that I should not go down to the pit.
(4) Sing praises to the LORD, O you saints of His, and give
thanks at the memory of His holiness.
(5) For His anger is only a moment; in His favor is life.
Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning.
(6) And in my blessedness I said, “I shall never be moved.”
(7) O LORD, by Your favor You have made my mountain to stand
strong; You hid Your face, and I was troubled.
(8) I cried to You, O LORD; and I prayed to the LORD.
(9) What profit is in my blood, in going down to the pit?
Shall the dust praise You? Shall it tell of Your truth?
(10) Hear, O LORD, and have mercy on me; LORD, be my helper.
(11) You have turned my mourning into dancing for me; You
have torn off my sackcloth, and have clothed me with gladness,
(12) so that my glory may sing praise to You, and not be
silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks to You forever.