Our Previous Conversation with "Brother
Jerry"
In May of 2010, we received this note:
Romans 10:17(KJV) Your Calvinism misleads many. Using
perverse translations of the bible attacking righteousness and ministering
sin.
You must ask to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit Jesus clearly stated
that. living in sin and claiming to be the elect is hypocracy.
You
claim to support God but deny his word stands forever? Isaiah 40:8
(KJV) (and many otehr places in the bible)
Please friend stop teaching
so much confusion and just fall on your knees confessing your sins
of which he is faithful
and just to
forgive you
of your sins AND CLEANSEYOU FROM UNRIGHTEOUSNESS!!!
1 John 1:9 You
need the word of God! Don't attack it! Which sin is it that keeps
you from receiving God?
Hebrews 11 clearly teaches that one must come
to God and believe he is the rewarder of them that dilegently seek
him.
1 John 5:7 (KJV) Every word of God is pure if there is no word
of God you should just stop sending out bible verses and "deceiving" people.
Your
god cannot even preserve his word.
Paul and Victor's reply:
“For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who
shall prepare himself to the battle?” (1 Corinthians 14:8 KJV)
Jerry, we have no idea what you are talking about,
though we can readily see your confused state of mind. If you want us
to answer you in anything,
you will need to quote our words and say exactly how we come against
the Scriptures and God.
Paul Cohen
Victor Hafichuk
Reply by "Brother Jerry," now using the name Jack Jones:
You come against the scriptures by stating that you believe
in one God but you deny his existance in three persons 1 John 5:7 (KJV)
Also you state that Jesus appeared only when God became man. Jesus was
forever. Also you speak on the calvinistic election. Man was not predetermined
prior to the foundations of the world to be saved. Christ did not prepare
himself a sacrifice until after man had transgrees this doctrine destroys
the will of God which is that none should perish. By saying that God
knew man would sin and had already prepared Christ to die for sin he
had set up everyone elseo who was not saved because he knows all...however
God knows and sees ahead but can will does and did change his mind
all throughout the bible. Also you claim bible worship? Your corrupting
God
ever Proverbs 30:5(KJV) Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto
them that put their trust in him.
Psalms 119:05(KJV) Thy word is
a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
John 6:63 (KJV) It is
the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak unto you, they are spirit,
and they are life. There you have it if you do not receive the word
of God
you do
not receive God's spirit as the word of God is spirit and it
is truth and it is the truth that shall set you free. Jesus
is
the
way the
truth the way and the life and so yes the word of God is of
the same essence
of God and Jesus is the word. It is not the paper it is the
spirit and the word. EVERY word written down as Jesus tells EVERY
word
of God must
be kept EVERY word of God is pure and without believing in
it you are building yourself on a false foundation and are not saved.
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of
God
Once saved always saved is a false doctrine of devils because
the
wages
of sin is
always death. If you sin yes you shall surely die (seperate
cut be seperated and cut off from God.You can be delivered from sin
you
should stop preaching
to peoplethat you cannot lose your salvation its falsew and
it
happens to many these days please pray on this and answer me
back.
Paul and Victor's reply:
“For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who
shall prepare himself to the battle?” (1 Corinthians 14:8 KJV)
Jack,
we still have almost no idea what you are talking about. Again, if
you want us to answer you in anything, you will need to quote
our words (in context) and say exactly how we come against the Scriptures
and God. Identify our teachings according to our own words and show
us by the Scriptures how we are wrong.
The problem here is that you don't
even know what we teach or what the Scriptures teach. You are religious,
but without Christ and His
guidance. You are lost, though thinking you are found, and therefore
you are not
listening or hearing anything we say. Even in these short notes,
you overlook what we have asked of you.
And are you not aware that the “trinity portion” of 1 John
5:7 was added to the original text by Christian imposters? That is not
our opinion, but a well-documented fact. Check it out. You are wrong
to believe something just because you find it in the Bible, especially
when God says there is a curse on both those who add lying doctrines
and those who propagate them:
“For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy
of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto
him the plagues that are written in this book” (Revelation 22:18
KJV).
You also believe wrong teachings you think to find in the actual and
authentic Scriptures, because you misunderstand what God is saying, just
like you do with us and our writings. By doing this, you are subtracting
and adding to the Word, which removes your portion from life in Christ
while adding more plagues on your head. Certainly that explains your
confoundedness.
We can help you, and are, by telling you the truth about yourself.
Paul
and Victor
Jack's reply:
Wow you really don't have the Holy Spirit at all! I am lost? If I am
lost then no one is saved because I have had a true conversion from Christ
cleansing me of all my sin and still have a very strong continual relationship
with him. IF I am lost then what your saying there is no assurance of
salvation because I know that I have been saved and the bible bears witness
with me. I believe you are very religious and you know exactly what I
am attacking your calvinistic election teaches basically the understanding
that one who is going to be saved is going to be picked before the world
begins. When you go into the one God you commit the sin of omition of
the Godhead God the Father God the son and God the Holy Spirit you over
complicate God to where you probably do not even know what you believe.
You tell me do you believe in the God head Father Spirit and son? Do
you believe on must come to God by being drawn and by choosing to coem
to Christ or that they are forced and do you believe that a Christian
is still a siner? The bible says we must choose this day whom we will
serve that there are three that bear record in heaven and that these
three are one and the bible is the authoritative word of God which you
say is not but your a liar as the bible says and God is the truth. All
scripture is given by inspiration of God 2 Timothy 3:16
Victor and Paul's reply:
Jack, you know what you know, you know what we believe, you know that
what you know is true, and you know that what we believe is false. You
believe
we are false and confounded, and we most certainly know that of you.
This is one case where we will definitely not try to keep up with the
Joneses,
so go your way – we have nothing more to say to each other.
“Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for
a fool than for him” (Proverbs 26:12 MKJV).
You believe that applies to us, and we say it applies to you. You are
not well physically, mentally, and least of all spiritually. And because
you are not well spiritually, you suffer in these other areas. You insist,
however, that you have it all together spiritually. “Hit the road,
Jack, and don’t you come back no more, no more,” until you
shall say, “Blessed is he that comes in the Name of the Lord.”
Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen
Jack's response:
What sin are you living in? Are you a drunkard are you a theif or worldly
or are you just sitting around watching television and being just like
the world with all of your worldiness. I do say blessed is he that cometh
in the name of the Lord and the name of the Lord will tell you his word
is truth if you do nt receive God's word your a false teacher
Victor and Paul's reply:
Jack, just go to our site and quote in context,
the portions that trouble you. You are being incoherent and lack substance.
Don't just rant
and rave like a madman. Such is not the conduct of a child of God. Send
the relevant portions of our writings to us and tell us exactly how we
are wrong - with sure evidence (many accuse us of saying things we
simply do not say because they don't understand).
You are in confusion.
Either you are an old man whose mind is going, or you have been an
alcoholic, having imbibed for a long time, though
you
are not on the bottle now, or the harlot nominal Christian religion
has terribly messed your mind and spirit. We tend to think it is the
last
of the three, the cause in almost every case.
But there is hope in Jesus
Christ, Who has given us sure hope, redeeming us from the works of
men:
"Concerning the works of men, by the word of Thy lips I have kept
me from the paths of the destroyer" (Psalms 17:4 KJV).
Do yourself
a great favor and do precisely as we ask so that we can address
this problem you face and of which you accuse us.
Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen Click HERE to read Jack's most recent reply. | 
