The Tables Turned

Here is the classic example of an ignorant, arrogant, and willful religious hypocrite. When confronted with the facts and the Truth, he is not the least interested in them. He is representative of those who gather with him; they have their idols, their church systems and doctrines, and their vile “statements of faith” to give them their preferred sense of worth.

Vicious vipers they are, liars and murderers, without the least inclination to do the will of God. They simply use His Name to further their selfish ends. They are the perfect brood of Calvin the butcher, in whom they take pride and with whom they join hands to condemn the elect and denounce those who are truly the Lord’s.

We entertain no doubts that if McBee and his Calvinist cronies were in power, they would order and light green faggots (green to prolong the agony) at our feet and those of all true believers without hesitation, in God’s Name, thinking they do God service.

We have news for these vermin: God is finished winking. He no longer comes as the Lamb, but as the Lion to execute His vengeance upon them, according to the Word He gave His prophets:

Jude 1:10-16 MSG
(10) But these people sneer at anything they can't understand, and by doing whatever they feel like doing--living by animal instinct only--they participate in their own destruction.
(11) I'm fed up with them! They've gone down Cain's road; they've been sucked into Balaam's error by greed; they're canceled out in Korah's rebellion.
(12) These people are warts on your love feasts as you worship and eat together. They're giving you a black eye--carousing shamelessly, grabbing anything that isn't nailed down. They're-- Puffs of smoke pushed by gusts of wind; late autumn trees stripped clean of leaf and fruit, doubly dead, pulled up by the roots;
(13) wild ocean waves leaving nothing on the beach but the foam of their shame; Lost stars in outer space on their way to the black hole.
(14) Enoch, the seventh after Adam, prophesied of them: "Look! The Master comes with thousands of holy angels
(15) to bring judgment against them all, convicting each person of every defiling act of shameless sacrilege, of every dirty word they have spewed of their pious filth."
(16) These are the "grumpers," the bellyachers, grabbing for the biggest piece of the pie, talking big, saying anything they think will get them ahead.

In a conversation on Seth McBee's blog about Calvin's role in the death of Servetus, Paul wrote:

Aside from the question as to whether it is the place of true Christians, like the apostle Paul, to kill heretics (notice that Paul never killed anyone except in unbelief when persecuting the Lord), Servetus was not a heretic. Has anyone here actually red his book, the one that was burned with him at the stake? I have, and I did not find anything heretical in it. Neither did Calvin. He simply could not answer Servetus regarding the heathen origin and false doctrine of the trinity, which is nowhere to be found in Scripture. Therefore he tried to silence Servetus by murdering him and burning his books. But the truth is never silenced, except in the ears of the deaf for a time.

Read The Fruit of Cain Multiplied: The Murderer John Calvin

Show me whom you follow, and I will know what manner of person you are or will become. If you do not know whom you are following, don’t you think it is time to find out how and where you are being led? Do you think you will altogether escape the consequences because ignorant? Think again. You already suffer them.

John Calvin was one of the most vicious of wolves ever to pose as a lamb of God. His supremely self-righteous spirit lives on in those who lionize and follow him, even unbeknownst to themselves. Truly, “that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.”

Seth’s reply:

Paul Cohen.

By your admission that you do not believe in the Trinity, you have shown your ignorance in the truth of Scripture.

If you believe that Calvin was a heretic because of his belief in the Trinity or because he "gave orders" (highly debated) to burn a heretic then both of those claims will find faulty logic.

To debate the Trinity in combox, is not fruitful as it is just too complicated to give only time in a combox.

Based on Calvin "killing" a heretic, your logic would also damn King David in the Old Testament as well. Your logic would quickly fall short.

Thanks for trying to fill up my combox with your heresy, but we just aren't interested.

Victor’s reply:

Seth, it is you who is ignorant, not only of the Scriptures, but primarily of the Author, though you think yourself knowledgeable of His Word. Being of pagan orientation, why would you be interested in the Truth you call “heresy,” unless God determines to reveal It to you?

We can - by reason and much, if not all, Biblical testimony - prove that there is but one God and not three; it will do us no good, however, to debate the matter with the carnally-minded who are at enmity with the Spirit of God. If it should ever happen that God shows you mercy (and one day He will), read: The Most Glorious of Truths and Jesus Christ, Almighty God. Also Diabolical Doctrine 6) "God is three persons."

As for Calvin, we never said he was a heretic, at least not in the sense that the term is so often used today. He could never depart from the faith, never having had faith to depart from in the first place. We also do not care that he differed from the Catholic Church or any other blasphemous religious organization. We only know that he was, and is, an enemy of the True Church, the Body of Christ. He has been antiChrist in all his ways to his death, as far as history records.

Calvin did not have to give direct orders to execute Servetus to show himself for what he was. He was in earnest, vehement public favor of killing an innocent man, not a heretic. He was a vicious, vengeful, hateful, petty monster, and he did not so much as try to hide his true sentiments.

His “theology” is diabolical, full of lies, which we prove at thepathoftruth.com. His ways and attitudes are those of the serpent seed. He was a viper in all his ways. While these replies may sound like tirades without substance, we provide all the substance one needs at The Fruit of Cain Multiplied: The Murderer John Calvin.

Reject our substance and you reject life; that is up to you. We have offered you direct refutation of Calvin’s lies and your lies, so all will have the opportunity to know the Truth and be delivered of their self-righteousnesses.

As to your comparison of King David and Calvin:

Calvin never believed, while David did.

Calvin never heard God’s voice because he was not a sheep of God, while David was His sheep and heard His voice.

Calvin never repented of his murderous ways with Servetus, Castellion, or anyone else, while David was granted grace to repent, as he did before Nathan concerning Urijah and Bathsheba.

We have red Calvin’s published diabolical doctrinal lies, and we have red David’s Words of Truth, inspired of God and even forming the canon of Scripture.

While Calvin slew more than one who tried to reason honestly and wisely with his blasphemies and ungodliness, David slew one Goliath, who blasphemed against God.

While Calvin would come to be known historically to the faithful of God as a murderer for unrighteousness’ sake against faithful men, David would come to be known as one who drew the sword against the enemies of his nation, the chosen of God.

Except to his murderous seed and defenders of his evils, Calvin would come to be known as an unrepentant son of Satan, while David would come to be known as the father of the Messiah.

Was Calvin a reformer? Let’s say so. But does one make a pig into a sheep? All he did was pretend to wash that which was filthy still. There is a great deal of difference between reformers and transformers. The former is the works of men:

“Concerning the works of men, by the Words of Your lips, I am kept from the paths of the destroyer” (Psalms 17:4 MKJV).

The latter is the work of God:

“So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new” (2 Corinthians 5:17 MKJV).

Only a man in gross darkness could ever begin to compare dung with wholesome bread, and devils with saints. So whose logic quickly falls short?

You have indoctrination of men, Seth, but you do not have Truth and Life. You have never known David, but we do, because we know “his Son,” Who is his Lord. You have never been washed of your sins; you have never been born again.

As the Almighty has granted us the Spirit of wisdom and power to do, contending against the heresy they call Godly faith,

Victor Hafichuk

Paul’s reply:

Seth, doesn’t it tell people something that your trinity abomination cannot be explained or defended in a few words? "Oh, it's a mystery! Who can understand the Infinite God?" you respond. So how is it God reveals Himself to babes and hides Himself from the wise and prudent? Even the aged intellectuals and theologians admit they can't swallow (comprehend) the heathen concoction of the trinity doctrine with its contradictory elements nowhere supported in Scripture - "Do you take it straight or diluted? Do you take it with water? Do you take it through the mouth or intravenously? What about all the people who don't understand or died trying?"

But God speaks to the babe, saying not, "We are that we are," but, "I Am that I Am. Hear, My son, the Lord your God is One Lord; there is none but Me (not ‘us’); One Lord, one faith, and one baptism."

You, on the other hand, are the wise of this world, who believe Calvin's lies and deceive yourselves that you are the elect, headed for eternal bliss. How expendable to you is that massive portion of mankind that does not agree with you and your gods, those whom Calvin has taught you are predestined to eternal torment!

You have a great surprise waiting for you, and in God's mercy, even such as Calvin and his ignorant but willing murderous followers will not be subjected to torment for all eternity. The Scriptures plainly declare otherwise. You will surely be corrected, yet in a severe fashion unlike so many others you have looked down your noses at and condemned.

Doesn’t it say something about your logic that you would compare an unrepentant murderer to a man of God, who was sorry for his sin and whom God forgave through the word of the prophet He sent, all recorded in the Book you say you believe?

Not only is there no such testimony from God of Calvin, but Calvin boasted of his part in Servetus’ murder and defended it until his death.

Doesn’t it say something that you can label a person a heretic, as did your father Calvin, with no proof of your accusation other than your say-so, on which you will put the “heretic” to death, whether literally or figuratively?

Are you also not aware that the sarcastic giving of “thanks” as a parting shot in an argument identifies one who is devoid of substance, morally and intellectually?

Paul Cohen

Seth removed the last two posts from his blog, and replied:

Victor and Paul.

I am not interested in allowing you to put forth your heresy on my site.

I don't need to refute what was refuted in the 4th century. You, like your Arian brothers, have been refuted many times over many centuries.

Have fun spouting your lies elsewhere.

When I get some time I will post on why the Trinity is biblical, orthodox and why it must be believed in or else one is damned.

Til then...get on your soap box elsewhere.

Paul and Victor’s reply:

Like your father Calvin, you try to stop the world from hearing the Truth, so you would not be confronted and exposed for the fraud and poisonous snake that you are. But unlike Calvin, you will not even prevail for a time, because today is the Lord’s Day, no longer the hour of the power of darkness.

So go with your gods and be destroyed with them. God has spoken.

Paul Cohen
Victor Hafichuk