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Wishing to Be a Saint


A woman had some questions about Victor Hafichuk’s Testimony. Paul asked her to read it carefully, and get back to him. Her reply:

HI Paul: Yep I did read carefully. I was surprised that the Catholic Church refused him. Actually not surprised. Some churches are not perfect and have slacked a bit. Ours was like that for about 7-8 years. Just curious. Thanks for your answer. Two more questions, does he receive communion or go to a service or does Victor worship on his own? I know they are simple questions but curious. I have not heard anyone being only a Christian, maybe nondenominational.

Respectfully,

Deborah

Paul’s reply:

Hi Deborah,

Actually, it was the other way around from the way you put it here. Victor forsook the Catholic Church, though they did reject his conversion. However, the two had nothing to do with each other. It was not a matter that he was kicked out, or was not accepted while trying to belong. He, by virtue of what God did for him, could not go back to the Catholic Church, because he knew it was not of God and was against the truth he had learned of God. So, it was not a local or peculiar problem to one or some of the churches that needed to be worked out. And it is not only the Catholic Church, but all church systems that do not accept and agree with the work of God. I am not speaking of His work as simply historical, but here and now today, in our lives, the same as in Christ’s day, Who also was rejected by the religious, as were His followers persecuted by the same, as He said they would be.

It is an issue of nature. When a person steps out in obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ, in truth, which requires his or her life, the institutions of men are automatically at odds with the work of God. God is not of this world, while men’s institutions are, hence the conflict.

We do not receive communion from the Catholic Church, or any church, nor do we give it. Communion, as practiced by men, is a perversion of what the Lord meant when He spoke of eating His flesh, and drinking His blood, which we must surely do, and have done, by His grace and work in us.

Read, if you will: Diabolical Doctrine: The “Lord’s Supper”.

As for worship, we, the saints of God, worship in spirit and in truth, as Jesus said we would, and as God wills for us. That is the only way. That is, in fact, the way that we are “only a Christian,” going without man-made names and distinctions. This is the only Christian in God’s sight, formed by Him. He is no respecter of persons and is not working in divisive organizations and sectarian bodies that appropriate His Name to themselves. Such organizations make disciples of men, not of God. Those who are His must come out from those, as Paul wrote:

“And what agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty” (2 Corinthians 6:16-18).

The things that you worship in the Catholic Church, and other churches, are idols. People think that an idol must be a Tiki god, or some heathen relic from a third world country. Not so. Anything made to represent God, not of His substance, is an idol; even a doctrine can be an idol. The idol is there to allow the worshippers to serve their lusts in whatever things they choose to serve, rather than the truth. The sin nature is allowed free reign, using God as a cover to do the works of the flesh (even and including moralistic religious works). This makes the use of His Name particularly deceitful and reprehensible in religious works.

The churches of men worship a false Christ, made by men in their own image, and not the resurrected, living, Lord and God. Don’t be deceived by other spirits also, that use His Name, and travel amongst charismatic Catholic circles. They are false. Repent and turn to the Lord, Who alone can save you. Your church surely cannot, but will keep you from Him.

Deborah, you are running hard and fast, but it is only on a treadmill that goes nowhere. Eventually you will run out of energy, exhausting yourself and all those with you. Idolatry is seductive and empowering, for a time. But the end is death. We preach Christ, Who alone is worthy of worship, and Who does not share His glory or Name with another. Beware.

“For My sake, for My sake I will do it; for why should My Name be defiled? And I will not give My glory to another” (Isaiah 48:11).

Paul

Deborah’s reply:

The only thing who can save me is my love and devotion to Jesus. I use my Church, prayers, studies to help me stay close. All I can say because I am fighting many fronts, Traditional Catholics, Protestants, and People who do not belong to a specific Faith, or do not believe in God is to pray about. Jesus is the only one who can fix all of these differences of opionions. I cannot say someone is right or wrong in these matters. Some do have more of Jesus’ truth than others and all I can do is pray and follow how Jesus is leading me.

I want to be a great Saint in my own right with the talents and skills God gave me. Jesus has asked me to pray a few hours a day, read several hours a week and yes hang up pictures of him, his mother and some of the Saints as reminders of him and the lives he has touched. I also have photos of my family around the house to remind me of them as well.

So I say keep praying, ask for knowledge, wisdom and esp discernment from the Holy Spirit. I pray for all the 7 gifts almost every day and add discernment in there too. To each his own and let Jesus ask him to figure it all out. I do realize when he comes back we will not need the mass and the sacraments. They will become obsolete.

What I do know is we should loves all peoples of the earth they are Jesus’ brothers and God’s children and Mary is their spiritual Mother. We should respect everyone’s differences, focusing and valuing and loving each other based on our similarities. As a Catholic and following the Pope and my questions to the HS, I am expected to love all people of ALL religions and having ALL sorts of reflictions. This is the Love Jesus has for us. That is what I truly know and expected to do with my life. I am trying to make this point with my brother that we must not argue over minor details of the Mass and our Faiths (Traditional Catholic vs Post V2 Catholic) but to focus on our similarities and just love each other with out conditions.

I only know a little of Jesus’ truth and ask many questions. Sometimes I realize I must take the leap of faith believe like a child and study like an adult. I must believe first and then Jesus will show me.

The Catholic Church is being attacked by Satan (he loves to attack all religious and govt leaders) even more today. It may become much worse before it is better. So I pray and pray and have told Jesus I will be with the Church he started till the end of my life or when he comes back again. More like the end of my life will happen first. We have over 28000 Protestant Religions, and several separate tradional Catholic Faiths. Satan loves to divide and subtract. However, we all love Jesus so I am learning to focus on this fact our love and devotion to Jesus. Our common loves for Jesus will multiply and adhere.

Thus, I will pray on this issue and I am sure the HS will say let Jesus figure this whole mess out with all of the divisions. Let him do his job you do what you need to do that he is asking you to do. I pray for Jesus to have me do great things and bring me great people to help. He certainly is working on this.

We both love Jesus and his father and that is the most important command.

PS: I see the Jesus church similar to the OT faith that God set up with the Jews. Jesus fulfilled God’s commands to the Jews and complimented them with the Christian Faith. There is an heirarchy up in heaven of Angels and Saints. It doesn’t matter which room we are in cause they all love each other up there focusing on the Holy Trinity.

Have glorious Sunday, Paul. Thanks for your response. It is really helpful. Keep up your devotion and work for Jesus!!

Sincerely and God Bless you,

Deborah

Paul’s reply:

Hi Deborah,

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who was resurrected from the dead, and Who is God Himself, did not ask you to hang up a picture of Him. How could He? You do not have a picture of Him. What you have is a likeness made by men. As the picture is a fake, so is the spirit you are hearing from. It is a lying devil that guides you. Only such a spirit would ask you to participate in deception, which is in direct disobedience to God, Whose second commandment is that you have or make no images or likenesses of things in heaven. God would not ask you to do that which He has commanded against. Another spirit, masquerading as God, has been speaking to you. Why? Because you have given yourself over to the works of men, the paths of the destroyer (Psalm 17:4). Why have you given yourself over to the works of men? Because you have not received a love of the truth, and God has given you over to strong delusion that you should believe a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

Have you not heard that Satan comes as an angel of light? Satan does not come saying, “Hey you, come do some drugs,” or, “Come join my satanic cult,” or anything like that. He comes as a very religious and pious person, seducing you to disobey God, and to trust in your own righteousness, which causes you to justify your error and remain in your sin. You are caught in his snare.

You can be sure that if you are being told to do that which God expressly forbids, that it is not God telling you. There are exceptions, like Abraham being told to sacrifice Isaac, but we can assure you that such is not the case here. To put it in other terms perhaps more accessible, what you are being led to do here is like being told to put up a picture of a used tampon as a depiction of your husband, by a man on the phone impersonating your husband. Do you think your husband would do this, or be honored by it? I don’t think so. Nor are others edified. It is revolting to the Spirit of Truth to have such a depiction in your house (and within you) as you have. In his letter Victor told you what the Lord was like when he saw His Face. The likeness you put up is the insult of insults to Him. It invites the wrath of God on you and your house. We tell you this not to condemn you, but so that you might repent, and learn to know Him as He is in truth, and not as men make Him to be for you, or as you make Him yourself.

I will make a few further comments in your letter.

Deborah:The only thing who can save me is my love and devotion to Jesus. I use my Church, prayers, studies to help me stay close.

Paul: Your love and devotion is not to the Lord Jesus Christ. Many shall come, He said, proclaiming Him as God, yet not knowing or following Him (Matthew 24:5). It is not those who say He is God, but those who obey Him that are His. I have shown you how you disobey Him. You have been taken in. Your works and devotion are in vain, and only bring trouble on you and your house.

Deborah:All I can say because I am fighting many fronts, Traditional Catholics, Protestants, and People who do not belong to a specific Faith, or do not believe in God is to pray about. Jesus is the only one who can fix all of these differences of opionions.

Paul: Jesus Christ is not about opinion. Neither does He try to put new wine in old bottles. The old bottles need to go. When we know Him we do not entertain our own or other’s opinions of Him. When we know Him we will see clearly, as in day, and will learn to know the difference between light and dark, and good and evil. The only way to peace and salvation is to know Him. Your confession that He will (at some future date) fix these differences is an admission that your Church, and you as well, are not with Him presently to know or discern the difference between truth and error. If you were, you would know the answers and not be waiting for Him to fix “these differences of opinions.” We know and “fix” the differences because we are presently with Him, and are sent by Him. He is alive, and not muzzled or incapable to speak the truth that leads people out of these errors. We are speaking to you so that you might know the truth that will set you free.

Deborah:I cannot say someone is right or wrong in these matters. Some do have more of Jesus’ truth than others and all I can do is pray and follow how Jesus is leading me.

Paul: When you know God you will learn to know right and wrong. Why would He not want you to see the difference? Do you, as a parent, want your children to not be sure whether premarital sex is right or wrong? Do you want your unwed children to get pregnant, or get someone pregnant? Does your answer differ from child to child? Does God’s answer vary?

By God we see, and are sent to speak, right from wrong, so that you might know that there is a right way. We tell you that what you do is wrong, not to condemn you, but in hopes of repentance leading to life. Would you not tell your children, or friends? God sends His Son to speak even to His enemies. All have been His enemy, by nature if not by sentiment (look at Peter, for example). You are promoting error and lies, causing others to blaspheme and to do wrong.

How can anyone get anywhere if they really don’t know what they are doing, or where they are going, and over what they are stumbling? God is not darkness, but light, and in Him there is no stumbling. There is a way that seems right, the Scriptures say, but the end of it is death (Pro. 16:25). We are warning you of your error.

Deborah:I want to be a great Saint in my own right with the talents and skills God gave me.

Paul: Deborah, please hear me. What you express here is what Jesus spoke against. Hear what He says:

“At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto Him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the Kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:1-4).

A saint is never one in his or her own right. You are pursuing another kind of agenda than the one of a true saint. Here is what we, the saints of God, should seek, according to the King of saints: “So likewise you, when you shall have done all the things commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants, for we have done what we ought to do” (Luke 17:10).

Unprofitable means “useless, unmeritorious.” One who sees herself as unprofitable will not feel that she is a “great saint in her own right.” You will know and feel the opposite.

No doubt the heart is deceitful above all things. A person can appear to be very humble, devoted to service, self-effacing and loving. God knows the hearts, and a person can be highly esteemed for such qualities amongst men and be totally repulsive in His sight. It is so.

“And He said to them, You are those justifying yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for the thing highly prized among men is a hateful thing before God” (Luke 16:15).

Deborah:Jesus has asked me to pray a few hours a day, read several hours a week and yes hang up pictures of him, his mother and some of the Saints as reminders of him and the lives he has touched. I also have photos of my family around the house to remind me of them as well.

Paul: Why capitalize “saints,” but not “him”? Saints are His servants; He is God.

“And I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. Then he said to me, Behold! See, do not do it! For I am your fellow-servant, and of your brothers the prophets, and of those who keep the Words of this Book. Do worship to God” (Revelation 22:8-9).

We have already told you that this is not the Lord Jesus Who is guiding you.

Deborah:So I say keep praying, ask for knowledge, wisdom and esp discernment from the Holy Spirit. I pray for all the 7 gifts almost every day and add discernment in there too. To each his own and let Jesus ask him to figure it all out. I do realize when he comes back we will not need the mass and the sacraments. They will become obsolete.

Paul: Jesus has come back. He came back at Pentecost, and again when any person is baptized in His Spirit, as at Pentecost. He comes back in fullness in each saint that enters into rest in Him. He is then manifest in and on earth. He is just as present on earth, in fact, as He was in His own body, in the days of His flesh, and greater, because He is multiplied. His church IS His body. His church is here, now. You have joined yourself to another, and have become a devotee to another god and church. Mass is not what you have been taught to think it is by men. You are not eating of His flesh or drinking of His blood. Did you read the paper I sent you? You should.

Deborah:What I do know is we should love all peoples of the earth they are Jesus’ brothers and God’s children and Mary is their spiritual Mother.

Paul: Jesus said those who did the will of God were His brethren, and mother. Why do you insist on calling Him a liar, by saying that all people are His brethren, or that Mary in particular is His mother? Obviously not all people are doing His will, by which criterion Jesus said He would recognize them as family. And why is Mary any different than any other believer? When she did not believe, she was on the outside, as we have seen (Matthew 12:47). When she believed, she was one of the saints (as are all those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in truth).

Mary is not our “Mother,” as you propose, or His.

“But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all” (Galatians 4:26).

Mary is not the “Mother” of God, or of the Son of God. Hear what the Scripture says about when Jesus became the Son of God:

“And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead” (Romans 1:4).

And again:

“…this God has fulfilled to us their children, raising up Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “You are My Son, this day I have begotten You” (Acts 13:33).

Jesus is God. Always was, and always will be. God has no mother. We, in Him, are birthed by the heavenly Jerusalem. This is the Lord God Almighty, which was, is, and is to come (Revelation 4:8).

We give you the Scriptures so that you might believe, some day, the Word of God planted in your soul.

Deborah:We should respect everyone’s differences, focusing and valuing and loving each other based on our similarities.

Paul: Deborah, you are very ignorant of the ways of God, and of the Scriptures. Have you never red of the way God dealt with His people, Israel? In terms of worship and obedience to God they were told in no uncertain terms to not respect the differences that the heathen practiced with their gods. When Israel “respected” these, they were severely chastened, brought under siege, famine, plague, and more. Why? Because those things God warns against bring death. He says to not even touch the unclean thing, let alone fornicate with it. You are keeping the pact of “acceptance” with the world to remain in your sins, in the Name of God, yet as serving a false god, and not in submission to the rightful Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He has bought and paid for you so that you would learn to prosper by following Him, and not the world from which He came to deliver you. The religious works of men are the world.

Deborah:As a Catholic and following the Pope and my questions to the HS, I am expected to love all people of ALL religions and having ALL sorts of reflictions.

Paul: How much did the popes of the past love “all people of ALL religions” when they were slaughtering them in the name of their Crusades and Inquisitions? Now, I spoke of not tolerating other gods, for those who Name the Name of Christ. Using this cover, religious men have done much evil. What God is talking about is keeping oneself unspotted from the world, and its religious ways. He is not telling those who believe to persecute the heathen, on the one hand, or to assimilate their customs, on the other. When in the past the Catholic Church could get away with it, they killed. If they could get away with it today, they would do the same. Nothing has changed. The love you speak of, and practice, masks over this beastly nature. Christ came to do away with it, not to commend or nurture it.

Furthermore, the Lord says:

“Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him” (1 John 2:15).

You are speaking of the god of this world, who preaches everyone should love one another, in a superficial “acceptance” that does not acknowledge or deal with sins against God and Christ. Truly we are to love everyone, by firstly loving God and obeying Him, and by speaking the truth, come what may. In the past the Catholic Church would have burned us at the stake for saying these things. It still costs us today because any who will speak truth will be hated of all men for speaking it. Hate does not even have to mean snarls and angry words. Simply rejecting the truth for lies is hatred. We are ostracized.

But while men are fooled by the outward appearance, God is not. And those of God will hear His voice, and will follow Him. The Holy Spirit has come, in us His saints, not to “accept all religions,” or to approve of everyone in evil, but for this purpose:

“And when that One comes, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment. Concerning sin, because they do not believe on Me; concerning righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged” (John 16:8-11).

Deborah:This is the Love Jesus has for us. That is what I truly know and expected to do with my life. I am trying to make this point with my brother that we must not argue over minor details of the Mass and our Faiths (Traditional Catholic vs Post V2 Catholic) but to focus on our similarities and just love each other with out conditions.

Paul: Both of you need to repent and turn to the Lord. You are arguing about the “arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic.” The ship is going down. Both of you need to turn away from religion of men, and to God Himself. The first commandment is to love Him with all your hearts. You are not doing that, so you cannot possibly fulfill the second, which is to love your neighbor as yourself. You do not love your neighbor by believing and living in lies. You must come to Him and learn what it is that He requires.

Deborah:I only know a little of Jesus’ truth and ask many questions. Sometimes I realize I must take the leap of faith believe like a child and study like an adult. I must believe first and then Jesus will show me.

Paul: If you will believe Him, turning away from your false gods, He will surely show you. Your study is not helping you now. You can study for 100 years and not know God. Jesus said this about those who believed Him:

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hid these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them unto babes” (Matthew 11:25).

Deborah:The Catholic Church is being attacked by Satan (he loves to attack all religious and govt leaders) even more today. It may become much worse before it is better. So I pray and pray and have told Jesus I will be with the Church he started. More like the end of my life will happen first. We have over 28000 Protestant Religions, and several separate tradional Catholic Faiths. Satan loves to divide and subtract.

Paul: That is why these all will fall. A kingdom divided shall not stand, the Lord said. These works always divide, not because Satan is against them, but because he is their originator. Christ is not divided (I Corinthians 1:13). That is the truth.

Deborah:However, we all love Jesus so I am learning to focus on this fact our love and devotion to Jesus. Our common loves for Jesus will multiply and adhere.

Paul: That is not true. No person loves Jesus. The Scripture says this:

“He is despised and rejected of men; a Man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as it were a hiding of faces from Him, He being despised, and we esteemed Him not” (Isaiah 53:3).

The natural man rejects Jesus. The natural man loves, however, the fake Jesuses that are preached by men, which you have believed. One of these fake Jesuses tells everyone to “just get along,” and that essentially, “God does not really want to tell us what to do or how to live. He does not mean to dictate. So don’t be an old fashioned party pooper and expect that you or others would have to actually listen to and obey God from what men of God would tell you. Each one of us has God within, and can listen to, and interpret, Him that way. To each his own.” That is what “another Jesus,” a false spirit, tells you. But we tell you that this “Jesus” of yours sends everyone to hell, right now. It is the reason that people talk about going to heaven after they die, because it sure is not heaven on earth now, when every person does what is right in his or her own eyes. But Jesus prayed, “Your will be done on earth as in Heaven.”

“No man, the Scripture tells us, seeks after God” (Romans 3:11).

Neither did we seek, but He called us, and has chosen us, by His grace and mercy alone, to serve Him. We love Him because He loved us first. His love to us is only realized when we turn from our sins, and our own thinking, and receive His forgiveness and judgment on all matters, being transformed.

Deborah:Thus, I will pray on this issue and I am sure the HS will say let Jesus figure this whole mess out with all of the divisions.

Paul: To God, nothing is a mess. He is in complete control. In Him we are above the mess. You are either part of the mess, or part of the solution. To those who hunger after truth, He says, “Come out of her, My people.” Come out of the mess, and then, He says, “I will receive you.”

Deborah:Let him do his job you do what you need to do that he is asking you to do. I pray for Jesus to have me do great things and bring me great people to help. He certainly is working on this.

Paul: We have spoken what we can. What is great in heaven is a sinner repenting.

Deborah:We both love Jesus and his father and that is the most important command.

Paul: If you love God you will keep His commandments. You will not make or set up images for yourself. And that is only the beginning. All other love is lip service, which He does not want, ask for, or accept. On the contrary, He hates it.

Deborah:PS: I see the Jesus church similar to the OT faith that God set up with the Jews. Jesus fulfilled God’s commands to the Jews and complimented them with the Christian Faith. There is an heirarchy up in heaven of Angels and Saints. It doesn’t matter which room we are in cause they all love each other up there focusing on the Holy Trinity.

Have glorious Sunday, Paul.. Thanks for your response. It is really helpful. Keep up your devotion and work for Jesus!!

Sincerely and God Bless you,

Deborah

In the love of God, and hope of His resurrection, I write these things to you.

Paul

Victor’s reply:

Hi Deborah, Victor here,

Paul has been sharing your correspondence with me. I think you already may have been referred to Our Testimonies. I would like to say some things in reply to this, your letter.

There are two kinds of “Christians” in existence, only two. For the first part of my life, over two decades, I was one kind, the kind that almost every person professing faith in Christ is. That is the totally carnal Christian, according to man’s definition, concepts, thoughts, and ways. This Christian may or may not go to church, may or may not be religious, may or may not lead a good moral life, may be Catholic or of any other “Christian” affiliation, denominational or otherwise, may or may not be deemed by other “Christians” as a true Christian, or a member of a cult, may or may not believe the Bible, may or may not publicly profess faith in Jesus Christ, may or may not believe in the divinity or the resurrection of Jesus Christ, or in the literal portions of the Bible. He or she may or may not care whether he or she is a Christian or not, and curiously enough, may or may not believe in God. Many of these “Christians” can be at odds with each other over various issues, be they doctrine, affiliation, religious practice, race, social and political, or whatever. This kind of Christian is Christian on a physical, social, religious, and intellectual level, one defined and formed, in various ways, by man. Most Christians in this first category have been born into their “Christianity,” though many are converted or proselytized by others of like nature.

The second kind of “Christian” is one as defined by God. This Christian has had a definite and often dramatic life change at some point in his or her life, usually as an adult. He or she believes in God, believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, in His divinity and resurrection, enjoys the Bible, believes, and to varying degrees, understands the Bible with its claims and declarations. Indeed, only by believing so has that one become this kind of Christian, as defined by God. Religious practice, ceremony, affiliation, doctrinal stance, church attendance, race, and education are not an issue with this Christian. He or she has become a Christian, according to the Biblical definition, that is, according to God’s definition, because God has done it. God has formed this one.

The primary and essential difference between the two kinds of Christians is this:

The first Christian is one by living his own impression or concept of Christianity, as taught by others, and as he or she perceives God to be. He or she has an image of God in his or her understanding, and calls him or herself a Christian accordingly. This is, in essence, man making God in his or her own image. The second Christian is one formed by God Himself, through the cross and resurrection power of Jesus Christ. It is a miracle performed and in progress. That is why the radical change in one’s life, in nature and not only in outward conduct. In this second case, God is forming man in His own image. This is the “genuine” Christian.

The two Christians find themselves at odds with each other, as Jesus and His disciples were at odds with the religious, as Jacob and Esau were at odds with each other, and as Cain and Abel were at odds with each other. It is written:

“But then even as he born according to flesh persecuted him born according to the Spirit, so it is also now” (Galatians 4:29).

The first Christian must die to give place to the second. The second is the only one recognized by God, because the second is His creation in Christ Jesus. The first has not been to the cross. Without the cross, though the first Christian does many, great, and good works, even perhaps giving the body to be burned, God cannot and will not be pleased, even as Cain’s sacrifice was not acceptable to God, while Abel’s was. Cain was the first kind of Christian, while Abel the second. The first appeared to have faith, but the second had faith.

According to the will of God, I had to give way to the second, Deborah. I had to be brought to the cross. Brother in Christ, Paul, too, with whom you correspond, had to be brought to the cross. That is the only way one can overcome as a saint. (A saint is a true believer.) The apostle Paul had to forfeit his life as the first Christian, in order to become the second one, who alone is acceptable to God. He writes:

“I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf” (Galatians 2:20).

I red your letter, Deborah, and in every statement, it is the letter of the first Christian. Your “love and devotion to Jesus,” contrary to your belief, cannot save you. Nothing you do can. Neither can you be “a great saint in your own right,” as you put it. As Isaiah prophesied by the Spirit of God:

“But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away” (Isaiah 64:6).

There are not many but only two faiths, faith in God and faith in some religion, religious organization, or doctrinal position. You are right when you say, “Jesus is the only One Who can fix these differences of opinion.” If He does not convert one to being the second kind of Christian (His kind), there will always be differences, enmity, confusion and chaos. When one becomes the second Christian, there is no longer the persistent problem of opinion and differences therein. Deborah, one can know the Truth, so that opinion must give way with the first Christian. God is not unrighteous toward us that we must trust or live in the murky realm of opinion, unable to know the Truth. He is the Truth, and would have us to know Him. That is what it is all about.

You are right when you say that you “cannot say someone is right or wrong in these matters,” because the first kind of Christian, the carnal kind, the man made kind, cannot do so. You are right. That is not to say that it is not possible to know and say, because it is. When one comes to be the second kind of Christian, the one born from above, he or she can indeed know right from wrong, and say. God, Who is Light, does not leave His chosen in the dark about these things. As it says:

“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things” (1 John 2:20).

You write: “Jesus has asked me to pray a few hours a day, read several hours a week and yes hang up pictures of him, his mother and some of the Saints as reminders of him and the lives he has touched.

That is not the Lord Jesus Christ, but your own religious spirit speaking to you. You are listening to another voice. He would not ask you to have set up a regimen, or to have pictures of Him or anyone else in a spiritual context. That would be going against His Laws, namely the Second Commandment. I know that your priest, your church, and your “theologians” will have their arguments, but those are vain.

I saw His Face in the summer of 1972, Deborah. If you saw His Face, you would not dare presume to paint a likeness of Him. You would know, if you knew Him, that any representation of Him by man is a total and blasphemous travesty. When I saw His Face, I understood the commandment forbidding us to do any such thing. Doing so, you bring death to yourself and your loved ones under your care, though you think otherwise.

You write: “I do realize when he comes back we will not need the mass and the sacraments.

You do not need them now. Truly, you need not to have them. They are a profanation of all things holy. They are against Him. We know because we are the second Christian, in Him, and He in us. He is here now.

Expecting Him to come in literal, physical form is no different than when the Jews expected a literal, physical, earthly Messiah to come, deliver them from the Romans, and set them up as the ruling nation over the whole earth. It didn’t happen, though the Messiah had come. He said He would return, and He did.

As to who are His brothers and children, you do err, and the Scriptures make that very clear:

“But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name, who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God” (John 1:12-13).

These are the second Christians of whom I have been speaking. They and only they are His brothers and children. They are the only ones doing His will because they are His creation, and not their own, as I explained. As God’s Word says:

“Then His brothers and His mother came. And standing outside, they sent to Him, calling Him. And the crowd sat about Him, and they said to Him, Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking for You. And He answered them, saying, Who is My mother, or My brothers? And He looked around on those who sat about Him, and said, Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God, the same is My brother and My sister and My mother” (Mark 3:31-35).

Therefore, it goes without saying that there are those who do His will, and those who do not. Those who do His will are His as He describes; those who do not do His will are not. Those who do His will love, but those who do not do His will do not love, as much as they might appear to do otherwise. Deborah, the things I speak to you now are true.

Love is certainly the key thing. However, love without truth is not love. Rather, it is merely a counterfeit that deceives and kills and destroys, if ever so nicely. You are believing many falsehoods. The Lord has sent us to speak the truth to you that you may know. You won’t receive it now, but we sow with hope.

Truly, you will conclude and declare that we are messengers of Satan because we tell you that Satan is not at all attacking the Catholic Church. He has no need to do so. She is already his, wrapped in superstitious dogma, pagan practice, and blasphemous presumption. The pope is anything but a representative of Jesus Christ. I can prove that to you, but you would not be able to receive the proof. Nevertheless, try me, if you will. I just don’t expect that you will.

The Catholic Church is composed of the first Christian. Those who experience the cross will come out, as I did. By a new God-born nature, they will have no choice but to do so, and would not choose anything else.

You write: “Let him do his job you do what you need to do that he is asking you to do. I pray for Jesus to have me do great things and bring me great people to help. He certainly is working on this.

I tell you that He is indeed doing His job, as at this moment, giving us to speak to you, we are doing His will (what “He is asking us to do”), and He is answering your prayer to bring people into your life to help, but it is not the way you think. It never is. We do not presume to be “great” people, knowing that it is not our righteousness but His that avails. We are unworthy and unprofitable altogether.

To become the second Christian is the work of God. As it is written:

“For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them” (Ephesians 2:8-10).

His will be done.

Victor Hafichuk

Deborah’s response:

Dear Victor and Paul:

I will pray for the Truth, which I will most certainly continue to do. Thanks for both of you writing. I will ask my mom about it too and have her pray for me. Heaven seems quite impossible to me to accomplish based on your answers.

I know that I am very arrogant and must pray for humility and humbleness daily. One of my many downfalls.

Questions… How do you both see Mary then is she not Queen of the Angels, Queen of Heaven and our spiritual Mother? Do you ask Mary at all to pray for you or any of the Saints? Do either of you believe in Angels or Guardian Angels? How do you view purgatory? How do you see St. Faustina and Jesus Devine Mercy, or Mary appearing at Fatima, Lourdes, sp? Guadalupe?

If we don’t bring people to Jesus through love and acceptance in revealing the truth then how are people saved? How can we bring people if we are not out there helping all kinds of lost sheep?

Prayer in the HS will answer all things. Yep many people in the Catholic Church have done bad things. We are the Isrealites nothing new happens under the sun.

I have not been reading all of messages from your organization.

Thank you again for your time in answering my questions.

Deborah

Victor’s reply:

Greetings in Christ Jesus, Deborah,

You write: “Heaven seems quite impossible to me to accomplish based on your answers.

Indeed, Deborah, it is quite impossible. If you knew the Lord, and heard from Him, you would know that. Here is what He said:

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich one to enter into the Kingdom of God. And they were astonished beyond measure, saying to themselves, And who can be saved? And Jesus looking on them said, With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible” (Mark 10:25-27).

However, how did you think you would “accomplish Heaven” with your works? Did you really think that your works were acceptable to God? You have been taught falsehood. The rich young ruler thought he had kept all the commandments from his youth, yet found himself falling short. Deborah, we are all sinners, in need of salvation. We are all utterly corrupt. The Scriptures are quite clear on this matter:

“There is none righteous, no not one; there is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. They are all gone out of the way, they have together become unprofitable, there is none that does good, no, not one” (Romans 3:10-12).

And:

“For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Jesus said, “No man is good.” How do you suppose to enter Heaven if not good? It is indeed impossible. You need to be born again. You need a new nature, one born not of the flesh, but of God. As it says:

“But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name, who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God” (John 1:12-13).

You write: “I know that I am very arrogant and must pray for humility and humbleness daily. One of my many downfalls.

All flesh is arrogant and totally bereft of humility. Prayer by a fallen nature for humility will not do it. You need a new nature. That is why Jesus says:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb and be born? Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:3-6).

You ask: “Questions… How do you both see Mary then is she not Queen of the Angels, Queen of Heaven and our spiritual Mother? Do you ask Mary at all to pray for you or any of the Saints? Do either of you believe in Angels or Guardian Angels? How do you view purgatory? How do you see St. Faustina and Jesus Devine Mercy, or Mary appearing at Fatima, Lourdes, sp? Guadalupe?

Here is what God, through His prophet, Jeremiah, had to say about the “Queen of Heaven”:

“The sons gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger” (Jeremiah 7:18).

Jeremiah 44:15-28:
“(15) And all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, and all the women who stood by, a great multitude, even all the people who lived in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah. And they said,
(16) As for the Word that you have spoken to us in the Name of Jehovah, we will not listen to you.
(17) But we will certainly do whatever thing goes forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our rulers, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, and were well, and saw no evil.
(18) But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked all things, and have been devoured by the sword and by the famine.
(19) And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make our cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our men?
(20) And Jeremiah said to all the people, to the men and to the women, and to all the people who had given him that answer:
(21) The incense that you burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, you, and your fathers, your kings, and your rulers, and the people of the land; did not Jehovah remember them? Yea, it came into His mind.
(22) Yea, so that Jehovah could no longer hold back because of the evil of your doings, because of the abominations which you have committed! So your land is a waste, and a wonder, and a curse, without anyone in it, as it is today.
(23) Because you have burned incense, and because you have sinned against Jehovah, and have not obeyed the voice of Jehovah, nor walked in His Law, nor in His statutes, nor did you walk in His testimonies, therefore this evil has happened to you, as at this day.
(24) And Jeremiah said to all the people, and to all the women, Hear the Word of Jehovah, all Judah that is in the land of Egypt.
(25) So says Jehovah of Hosts, the God of Israel, saying: You and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hands, saying, We will surely fulfil our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her. You will surely fulfil your vows and surely carry out your vows.
(26) Therefore hear the Word of Jehovah, all Judah that lives in the land of Egypt. Behold, I have sworn by My great Name, says Jehovah, that My Name will no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord Jehovah lives.
(27) Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good. And all the men of Judah in the land of Egypt shall be destroyed by the sword and by the famine, until there is an end of them.
(28) Yet the small number that escapes the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah; and all the remnant of Judah (who have gone into the land of Egypt to live there) shall know whose word shall stand, Mine or theirs.”

You may ask, “What does this ‘queen of heaven’ have to do with Mary? She was not even born yet.” You would then defeat your own terms and concepts by asking so, Deborah. How could Mary be the “Mother of God” if not born yet, while God was already there? The “queen of heaven” referred to by Jeremiah was known as “Easter,” after which your celebration is named. Her non-English names were “Ashtoreth,” “Astarte,” “Asherah,” and others. She is the pagan sex goddess of “love.” In the first few centuries after Christ, nominal Christians joined with pagans to form an ungodly mixture of religion. To accommodate the pagans, nominal Christians permitted them to bring in their gods and goddesses, and accepted them, their doctrines and many of their practices, like Christmas, for example. God had strictly forbidden any compromise because it would inevitably lead to confusion and destruction.

They called Mary the Queen of Heaven, whereas those of true faith never did or would have done so. Mary was not that goddess, but this pacified the pagans. You are believing and celebrating pagan teachings in the Name of Jesus Christ and His earthly mother, Mary. Mary would never allow you to pray to her, but it is not her job to rule you, and therefore you must repent of your sins and place your trust and attention where it belongs, on the Lord Jesus Christ, your Lord and Saviour. The true One is, of course, the One of Whom we speak, and not the one from whom you have been hearing.

As to angels, the Bible is full of records of angels, their words and acts. We do not believe in angels as we would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but angels are real and ever present. We have been and are protected by them. As it is written:

“Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for those who shall be heirs of salvation?” (Hebrews 1:14)

Deborah, something of many things you need to know is that a saint is not some special person above anyone else by way of works, attitude, nature, or “in their own right,” as the Catholic Church teaches. All true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ are saints. A saint is simply one to whom God has given faith, and whom He has separated from the world for Himself. A saint is simply a true, Biblical (as defined in Scripture) Christian. All saints are Christians, and all true Christians are saints.

Mary is a saint. She certainly had a special calling of God to bear and give birth to the body of the Lord Jesus. However, she is not the “Mother of God.” Of the Lord it says:

“For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross” (Philippians 2:5-8).

Mary did not give birth to God, but to the “fashion of a man.” To be God’s mother would have to mean that she existed before He did. That is blasphemy. While she had a special calling on her life, here are examples of her plain humanity:

“Then His brothers and His mother came. And standing outside, they sent to Him, calling Him. And the crowd sat about Him, and they said to Him, Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking for You. And He answered them, saying, Who is My mother, or My brothers? And He looked around on those who sat about Him, and said, Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God, the same is My brother and My sister and My mother” (Mark 3:31-35).

And:

“And Jesus and His disciples were both invited to the marriage. And when they lacked wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, They have no wine. Jesus said to her, Woman, what do I have to do with you? My hour has not yet come. His mother said to the servants, Whatever He says to you, do it” (John 2:2-5).

So, according to Jesus, Mary would be His mother, because doing the will of God, but that goes for all those who do His will. They too are His “mother, brother and sister.” Mary was a sinner, Deborah, like every other human being ever born. She needed salvation like everyone else. She too needed to be born again. Fifty days after Christ’s resurrection, on the day of Pentecost, she, along with about 120 others, received His Spirit (was born again), like everyone else. She had no special privileges. Read about it in Acts 1 and 2.

Do we ask Mary or anyone else departed to pray for us? No. Why not? The answer is simple. We pray to God, and God alone. Nowhere in Scripture is anyone ever encouraged to pray to the departed. The Scriptures are authoritative on all these matters. If not so, Jesus would not have quoted from them to reply to Satan or to teach people, including His disciples. The Bible is the Word of God, not to be replaced or contradicted by traditions or other teachings of any kind. Praying to Mary is no different than burning incense to the “queen of heaven.”

Purgatory? God purges all His saints of their sins and sinful nature. That happens here as well as in the world to come. That goes for Heaven and Hell as well. Heaven and Hell are here. We were in Hell, and are now delivered from it, and dwell in Heaven, but not as we will be when we leave this world. These places are not physical locales so much as states of being, Deborah. While Jesus walked the earth, for example, He was in Heaven at the same time. We have been “in Purgatory.”

You ask: “How do you see St. Faustina and Jesus Devine Mercy, or Mary appearing at Fatima, Lourdes, sp? Guadalupe?

These apparitions are not of God, Deborah. God does not permit or promote worship of anything or anyone but Him. As it is written:

“I am the LORD: that is My Name: and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images” (Isaiah 42:8).

You ask: “If we don’t bring people to Jesus through love and acceptance in revealing the truth then how are people saved? How can we bring people if we are not out there helping all kinds of lost sheep?

First of all, no human can reveal truth to anyone. Not even the apostle Paul can do that. Truth can only be spoken as God gives, but He does the revealing, as with us here. Paul and I can share the truth with you, but only God can reveal it to you. Now how are you going to preach the truth if you don’t know it yourself? How can you “bring people” when you yet have need to “be brought” yourself? What makes you think you have the truth? You have been taught that you do, but that is fallacy. Lost sheep? You are lost, Deborah, and you are in need of coming to know the Lord, Whom you do not know. First things first. You really don’t care about anyone but yourself. That is true, not because I judge you, but because that is what God says. I will quote again to you, along with some extra words from the same passage:

“There is none righteous, no not one; there is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. They are all gone out of the way, they have together become unprofitable, there is none that does good, no, not one. Their throat is an open grave, with their tongues they have used deceit, the poison of asps is under their lips; whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood; destruction and misery are in their way, and the way of peace they did not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes” (Romans 3:10-18).

That is a description of every person who has ever been born, excepting the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Savior of all men, and all men need or needed saving. It means, therefore, that those verses are a description of you, Deborah. How then could you care about bringing in “lost sheep”? Do you know what or who is a “lost sheep”? How do you know you are not one? If you were one, when did you become “found”? Can you say? No. Have you red Our Testimonies? We were lost, and found. The record is there. More accurately in our case, we were not sheep at all. We never knew the Lord. By His mercy, He saved us, and now we are His sheep.

You write: “Prayer in the HS will answer all things. Yep many people in the Catholic Church have done bad things. We are the Isrealites nothing new happens under the sun.

One can only pray in the Holy Spirit if having received the Holy Spirit. One can only receive the Holy Spirit if having repented of sin and having been converted by the Lord.

It is not just a matter of many people in the RCC having done bad things. The Catholic Church teaches and practices complete falsehood, starting at the very top. For but one example of many, while Jesus said, “Call no man ‘father,'” you call your priests, “Father,” and the pope (which means “papa” or “father”), not only “father,” but “Most Holy Father.” This is a direct repudiation of all that Christ taught. That applies equally, in principle, for the “Mother” thing. How can you walk in disobedience to the Lord Jesus Christ and still hear from Him or presume to be directed by Him? It is not so.

As to Israelites, where did you ever get the notion that Catholics are the Israelites? Those in true faith in Jesus Christ, and members of His Body (not a religious organization that claims to be His Body) are true Israelites. As Paul the apostle has written:

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that outwardly in flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart; in spirit and not in letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God” (Romans 2:28-29).

You finish with: “I have not been reading all of messages from your organization.

Thank you again for your time in answering my questions.

Deborah

Did Peter and Paul have an organization? The Catholic Church may say so, but the Bible does not, and neither do we. We have no organization made of men, Deborah.

By the way, try doing some research independent of the Catholic Church and look up the origin of the word and location, “Vatican.” See what you find.

Deborah, I want you to know that we are not here to denounce Catholics or any other person, religion or denomination. We are here to speak the truth as the Lord has given us to do. “Let the chips fall where they may.”

We are thankful to be able to serve you, in answering your questions. There is much you could read on our site. Under Teachings, you will find Repentance. Start there. There are many writings that would help you, if you are desirous.

Contending for the faith once delivered to the saints,

Victor Hafichuk

Deborah’s response:

Dear: Paul I am sorry but I cannot receive your emails any more.

Jesus did appear to ST. Faustina. Mary has appeared at Fatima, Lourdes and Guadalupe. As you know the Catholic Church takes many years to study these apparitions to make sure they are not Satan. The key is Mary and Jesus points to praying directly to him and repent to him. Check out the apparitions at Medjugore. The Church has not accepted these yet maybe not legitimate. The church prays before it acts.

I have prayed about your writings and must continue with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Yes we must accept Jesus love him and serve him by having him totally control us and to love fellow men. My good works would be nothing with out loving Jesus.

The Catholic Church is far from perfect because like the Isrealites it is made up of sinners. But it is the Church Christ started. I am a sinner probably I bet a bigger one than you, but with much mercy from Jesus I will make it. I may be spending alot of time in purgatory but that is okay. I am learning to have a wise and holy fear of my death and restitution.

I will be repenting my sins hear on earth and in purgatory.

Mary was conceived with out original sin and received the graces not to sin. She is and was not a sinner. The Angel Gabriel called her full of grace.. She is queen of the Angels, Earth and Heaven. I may have some partial truths on other things, but it seems some of your truths are partial as well.

When I read your emails, I might as well give up and head straight for hell. They can create a feeling of despair my husband says. There is no way I will be able to be as perfect as you. You remind me much of my brother who strives to be obsessively perfect. How I love him but he is very in need to control and be perfect.

I can’t live this way because if I do I cannot focus on others and helping them which is what I have always strive to do. Forget myself and focus on others.

Thanks for your time though

and please take me off your email list.

Mary is my model of how I should be a wife and mother. Jesus is my model of how I should love and treat others. It is very sad when people don’t honor Mary.

So in honor of her, and her son I cannot read anymore of your writings. They make me very sad indeed wanting to just give up because heaven it more than impossible it doesn’t exist for me. Jesus doesn’t want me to think this way but Satan does and I will not fall into his trap again.

We all have to consider daily if we are running our lives or if Jesus is. I will continue, someone suggested to me, to consecrate my daily life to Jesus each morning.

As you realize, I will pray for God’s will to be done for you and Victor not my will but we must all pray for God’s will as you know each day.

I shall not be overcome by evil but do good to over come it. I must over come evil and achieve good. This is our calling here on earth. Evil shall not prevail and we must all pray for each soul and to literally help each other to achieve heaven but to do this in love not with despair and hopelessness. If we lose hope Satan has us.

Sincerly,

Deborah

Victor’s reply:

Hi Deborah, Victor here,

You say, “The Catholic Church takes many years to study these apparitions to make sure they are not Satan.

I want to tell you that the discerning of spirits is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, as mentioned by the apostle Paul:

“For through the Spirit is given to one a word of wisdom; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit; and to another faith by the same Spirit; and to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; and to another workings of powers, to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; and to another kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues. But the one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing separately to each one as He desires” (1 Corinthians 12:8-11).

It is a gift, Deborah. We can tell almost if not immediately when something false comes along by this gift, which the Lord has given to those that are His. It does not require “years of study.” If the pope and his cardinals, as well as the priests and, in fact, all Catholics were Biblical, rather than philosophical or man-made Christians, they would know without study whether those events were of God or not. The apostle John wrote to true believers:

“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things” (1 John 2:20).

The very fact that they must study reveals that they are not receiving revelation from God, and in so doing, never will. Furthermore, they will surely be deceived. Following and believing them, you serve not Jesus Christ, Whom you presume or profess to serve, but Satan himself. He does indeed come as an angel of light. Then, when we come, sent of the Lord, speaking the truth, you call us children of the devil, deceivers, blind, heretics, and erring religious fools.

Stop and consider, Deborah: If you had any idea of the Scriptures, you would find that when the Lord or His angels appeared to any, they knew right away whether it was of God or not, though there are always those who will not believe when told. Secondly, there was always a point of obedience to God Himself for those to whom God revealed Himself. Thirdly, many have worshipped Mary, whether while seeing the apparition, or later, or always. That is not of God. You do not know the Lord or the Scriptures. Obviously, you also have not red or understood our letters to you, or you could not argue the things you do. They are without basis. You are believing men, not God Himself.

The apostle Paul wrote:

“Let it not be! But let God be true, and every man a liar; as it is written, That You might be justified in Your sayings, and will overcome when You are judged” (Romans 3:4).

Your problem is that you believe men and not God. Because they come in His Name does not mean they speak the truth, for they do not. God has given us the Scriptures to help determine truth from error. But you do not believe the authority of the Scriptures as Jesus Himself believed, and preached from them.

You write: “I have prayed about your writings and must continue with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Yes we must accept Jesus love him and serve him by having him totally control us and to love fellow men. My good works would be nothing with out loving Jesus.

We are sent of Him to speak to you, and you don’t believe. Your prayers are not answered by God but by your own imaginations and prejudices, not to mention seducing spirits. That is because you do not love Him. He said, “He that has My commandments, and keeps them, he (she) is the one that loves Me….” You do not at all keep His commandments. How can you say then that you love Him?

You write: “The Catholic Church is far from perfect because like the Isrealites it is made up of sinners. But it is the Church Christ started.

The Catholic Church is not only far from perfect, but the Bible describes her very well in Revelation 17. Read all about it. However, that does not go only for the RCC, but for all formal, organized religion. You have no idea, Deborah. The Catholic Church is not at all what Christ started. He said, “That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination with God.” Is not the pope highly esteemed in this world? Surely! How about the Vatican, with its treasures of art and valuable real estate? Highly esteemed among men? You bet it is. You are betting your soul on it.

If you and your husband had an objective bone in your bodies, and any desire for truth at all, you would look up the non-Catholic history of the Catholic Church and find that the RCC is responsible for the most heinous crimes in all of the history of mankind, at any point in history. You say it is not perfect! Christ’s own do not do those things, Deborah. To assume or surmise that they would or could is to confess that you have never known Christ, and have never even remotely known what a true Christian really is. You are altogether in darkness, in sin, and unless you repent, you and your husband will perish with all sinners.

Even today, we watched a documentary on Rwanda, and the slaughter that took place there of about 800,000 people. It was boldly declared by those involved, and in authority, that the Catholic Church was responsible for their blood, in that they encouraged the divisions and tribal prejudice. You are trying to be a sweet and humble saint, Deborah, but you are a genocidal murderess, ignorant or not. Willful ignorance is as bad as the committed crime.

They call the hospital in which the pope is at this moment, “Vatican III” because he has spent so much time there in illness. What a wonderful testimony! Shall the “sole representative of Jesus Christ” on earth be laden with disease and sickness? Jesus comes to heal, and “His representative” comes sick. Jesus came as an ordinary man, poor, with common food, clothing, riding on an ass, but the pope comes in all royal splendor, riding a self-protective bullet-proof “pope mobile,” and body guards. What a farce! What contradiction! How antichrist! You and your husband, as all “faithful” Catholics, are so utterly blind, deceived by your own vain imaginations and lusts.

Today, the Catholic Church is being exposed for rampant homosexuality and sexual abuse of boys, everywhere. These are the exposed cases that are so numerous. What about all those many more that are covered up? And what do they do with these criminals? They “transfer” them to another parish! Everybody else must be brought to justice while these whoremongers and vile scoundrels you support go free! Justice? Love? Godliness? If that is your idea of those things, then I would be too afraid to even contemplate what your definitions of hell, sin and evil would be! “That is called ‘mercy’,” you say? Those defining and preaching mercy have one definition by words, while practicing another by acts. They want mercy for themselves, but what about those they abused, not just once or twice, but continuously? Bastards! Do you think you will escape the judgment of God, Deborah? Not at all! But you are going to pray, and reject the Truth!

“The Catholic Church is not perfect,” you say! No kidding! “But it is the Church Christ started,” you say! Not on your life! We are all condemned if that is so, and you have a savior that is not worth two cents, and his words and promises far less!

You write: “I will be repenting my sins hear on earth and in purgatory.

Then begin to repent now, of your spiritual whoredoms and adultery. Repent of murdering people everywhere, throughout all of history. Repent of the “Crusades,” the Inquisition, the slaughtering of countless numbers of saints, of believers and ordinary folk. Repent of sexual molestations, of idolatry, of blasphemies performed by your Church every waking minute of every day of every year since the Catholic Church was instituted by a pagan sun worshiper, who died a sun worshiper. I speak of Constantine, the first “holy, Roman emperor” and founder of the Catholic Church.

Repent of trying to be a spiritual heroine so that people will “oooh” and “aaahh” at you. Repent of looking to be recognized by others as a saint. You are wicked in doing so, Deborah.

You write: “Mary was conceived with out original sin and received the graces not to sin. She is and was not a sinner. The Angel Gabriel called her full of grace. She is queen of the Angels, Earth and Heaven. I may have some partial truths on other things, but it seems some of your truths are partial as well.

Like I said, if you had any use for the Word of God, any respect for what the saints, prophets and apostles had to say, you would not be able to make such antichrist, antiScriptural statements at all. You are ignorant of the Scriptures and of the Lord Who inspired the writing of them. The Bible nowhere in the most original existing manuscripts says anything about Mary being “full of grace.” That is the wording in your idolatrous prayer to her, and that is the wording of the Catholic Church version of the Bible, in order to justify its wicked idolatry and blasphemy, but you will not find that phrase in the most ancient manuscripts of the Bible. It is a lie. I have about a dozen versions here with me now, and they all say something similar to this:

“And the angel came in to her and said, Hail, one receiving grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women” (Luke 1:28).

All this nonsense you are spewing out is lies, Deborah. If you choose to believe lies, you will die by them. That is the only way lies lead, and that is their purpose. “The thief (liar) comes not but to steal, to kill, and to destroy….” Jesus said so.

You judge us to have partial truths. That is a lie in itself. You judge us by your diabolical doctrines, but we speak by the Lord and by the Scriptures. Deborah, you do not have partial truths at all. You are utterly deceived. We speak the truth to you in saying so. Why? To condemn you? NO! To save you from lies that kill. You are dead in your sins, killing and abusing people, and thinking you do God service. You deceive them into thinking Catholicism is good and right. You lie to their destruction. You and your husband, know it or not, are heinous criminals in God’s sight.

You write: “When I read your emails, I might as well give up and head straight for hell. They can create a feeling of despair my husband says. There is no way I will be able to be as perfect as you. You remind me much of my brother who strives to be obsessively perfect. How I love him but he is very in need to control and be perfect.

You do not understand what we say or where we are coming from. We are telling you that it is indeed impossible by our own works. You may as well give up and go to hell. That is where you belong, the way you are, and that is where you are now, in death and darkness, not knowing anything. However, in believing the truth, one comes to salvation. We are not perfect because we did anything. We are perfected because He did it, although not perfect in the way you think. You do not understand. Your trust is in pleasing Him and in being good. That is where you utterly fail and offend, and thus you serve the one who savors the things that are of men. In doing so, you are serving Satan. Read the Lord’s words:

“But He turned and said to Peter, Go, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you do not savor the things that are of God, but those that are of men” (Matthew 16:23).

Peter had not yet received the Spirit, not until Pentecost. He was still savoring the things of the flesh, trying to encourage the Lord. He ended up denying the Lord and abandoning Him.

We are not as your brother. It is not about our righteousness. He has a problem, that is, if your assessment and opinion of him has any accuracy. If you are accurate, he is trusting in his own righteousness, just as are you. He will never make it. To be righteous in our own right (as you said you wanted to be a saint in your own right) is to deny the blood of Christ that bought you. You are doing the very opposite of what God wants…the very opposite. We cannot consider you to be trustworthy of judgment or having understanding. You are religious, but you are not right.

Your husband says we create a feeling of despair. He is right. We want you to know that the path you take is a false one, and while you may have some confidence in the flesh, it will surely end in despair, whereas, if you turn away from your works, and false doctrines that fortify and encourage them, you and your husband will come to true hope, and not only hope, but desire fulfilled, here in this life. Going the way you go, you will be condemned in the end, no matter how much hope you think you now have. As for us, did you not read our testimonies on our site? Can you not at all tell that we have been fulfilled in Christ now, that we are anything but in despair? Have you red nothing we have given? Nothing at all?!?

You write: “I can’t live this way because if I do I cannot focus on others and helping them which is what I have always strive to do. Forget myself and focus on others.

Before you can ever be of any use or value, you must die, Deborah. You must die, be buried, and be raised from the dead. Then, and only then can you even begin to think of helping others. Until then, your works are in vain. Here is what Paul had to say along these lines:

“For we are the circumcision who worship God in the spirit and rejoice in Christ Jesus and have no confidence in the flesh; though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other thinks that he has reason to trust in the flesh, I more. I was circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews. As regards the Law, I was a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; regarding the righteousness in the Law, blameless. But whatever things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ” (Philippians 3:3-7).

After being delivered from his religious works, he was able to say this:

“I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf” (Galatians 2:20).

He had died, Deborah, and arose to new life. He preached Christ crucified. That is what we preach…Christ crucified, and us crucified in Him. There is no other way to true Christianity, true faith, true godliness. We must repent permanently of our very own selves. That is what Jesus meant by taking up the cross to follow Him.

You write: “Mary is my model of how I should be a wife and mother. Jesus is my model of how I should love and treat others. It is very sad when people don’t honor Mary. So in honor of her, and her son I cannot read anymore of your writings. They make me very sad indeed wanting to just give up because heaven it more than impossible it doesn’t exist for me. Jesus doesn’t want me to think this way but Satan does and I will not fall into his trap again.

It is indeed a sad thing when Mary is not honored. It grieves us to see you dishonoring her with Catholic lies. Mary is a saint, our (not your) sister and mother in Christ. We honor her as one having grace and faith in God’s sight.

It is the Lord Jesus Christ that gives us this understanding, and you dishonor Him with all your foolish, religious, darkened ways. You are thoroughly deceived. It is Satan who does not want you to listen to us or to read our writings.

You close with: “I shall not be overcome by evil but do good to overcome it. I must overcome evil and achieve good. This is our calling here on earth. Evil shall not prevail and we must all pray for each soul and to literally help each other to achieve heaven but to do this in love not with despair and hopelessness. If we lose hope Satan has us.

You can do no good without Christ. Even He said, “Without the Father, I can do nothing.” But you presume to do great works of love. You cannot be with Christ doing as you do. You are only fooling yourself.

Our calling and work is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, not doing good works. “All of our righteousnesses (good works and efforts) are as filthy rags,” Jesus said by Isaiah the prophet. Here is what God thinks and says of your good works of love, Deborah:

“But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away” (Isaiah 64:6).

Your hope is in the wrong place. Therefore, Satan has you now. He does not come with despair but with a false hope. That is how he deceives. Your letters are teeming with falsehood and error, nearly every sentence you write. You have no use for the Word of God, which fruit tells all. We preach Christ and Him crucified. That is the only, sure hope there is. We have spoken for your sake.

We will unsubscribe you, and you will not hear from us again, unless the Lord says or directs otherwise.

Victor

Paul’s reply:

Deborah, Paul here.

Victor has answered your letter well, so I have but a couple things to add.

You say: “The Catholic Church is far from perfect because like the Isrealites it is made up of sinners.

Do you not read the Scriptures? Are you not aware of what happened to Israel of old?

John the Baptist said to the children of Israel:

“Then he said to the crowd that came forth to be baptized by him, O generation of vipers! Who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bring forth fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And now also the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bring forth good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire” (Luke 3:7-9).

You praise the dead with your lips, but do not obey the living God. You pray to dead “saints” (no true saints are dead), but when the living ones on earth come to you, you reject them. You are no different than the Jews who rejected the Lord in His day, and His apostles in their day. Those Jews also professed to love God and to honor His prophets.

Do you know what happened to them? You proclaim yourself to be as they were, and as prepared for the same judgment. You do not know what you are doing or saying.

Paul

Deborah’s response:

HI Victor:

Yes people who see the apparitions no immediately they are real. Lucia, Bernadette, Juan Diego, Ricardos, and Jacinta, Sister Faustina etc. The church must verify if receiving info second hand. For one instance, if an apparition of Mary doesn’t point to Jesus praying to her son and repenting to him and she focuses mainly on herself then it is one of Satan’s tricks.

I read the Bible 2-3 times a week and do not study as I should. Something I need to work on and will. I do spend many hours reading and praying and understanding the faith, the Church Jesus started.

The thing we Catholics must not do is not worship Mary. If we did we would be doing a grave offense against God. We honor her for her being the blessed mother of God and accepting God’s role for her totally with love and grace. We revere her and try to model her. She trusted in Jesus totally and was born with out sin. So as sinners we would not be perfect in the sense Mary was and is. We also ask her to pray and intercede for us as well as ask other saints to pray for us and intercede for us. We ask sinners down here on earth to pray for us and we can ask Mary the angels and saints to pray for us as well. This is a communion and community of believers. We pray for each other.

So if you hear any Catholics saying they worship Mary they are misunderstanding the role Mary plays and how she helps us.

We Catholics, as I read in one of the testimonies, should not be judging and accept people unconditionally. But discern and guide people with love and understanding in the right direction. NO one should reject another for any reason or for any faith or act. We must help each other to reach heaven and live God’s kingdom here on earth. We must plant seeds and give in to the work of the HS to finish and conclude our duties of praying and helping others and ourselves.

No I have not stopped reading that readings being sent. Because I realize when reading your letters to me I get the feeling of despair of having to be too perfect in God’s eyes.

I don’t want to feel that I have to be perfect as Martin Luther, John Calvin felt. Since we have original sin in us we could never strive to be this perfect or have the full understanding Jesus has. Yes, we can totally trust Jesus and through him we will be made more perfect but I don’t want to see Jesus as expecting me to be perfect. I don’t want to fall in the trap of scrupulosity that Martin Luther did. If I do, I will become too judgemental, full of fear and anxiety because of trying to be perfect and failing again and again becoming obsessed with being perfect. I will do more damage to myself if I mess up hopping back on the horse again right away. If I worry I cannot help Jesus or do his work. Worrying for me takes the attention off of focusing on Jesus and not thanking him and missing the miracles he does daily for me and others.

So in reading the personal letters I feel that despair of trying to be perfect on my own. I will probably, good chance of never seeing the face of Jesus the way you have and that is okay. That will probably be not Jesus’ will for me. I know he wants me to believe and then figure things out later. So I must work on totally trusting in him and have 100 percent faith in him before he reveals to me his plans etc.

Jesus knows what is in my heart and that I am trying to love the way he loves and love him completely and to not follow Satan…Reading your letters I feel depressed. I feel depressed reading my brothers letters. He is very hard on himself and expects to be perfect and knows if he isn’t Jesus will not love him. He is trying too hard. Poor Guy. He expects this of others.

Yours and my brother’s letters sound very much alike in tone and too much in common in content.

He asked me to pray to the HS for the seven gifts. I had discernment on to this list. So I do and much has changed and I have learned much and will continue the rest of my life learning about Jesus and his Church. I have also given up total control of my life to Jesus and do again daily. I know I need to give up even more control acc to Jesus.

I still mess up but feel happier and at peace that he is controlling my life the way he wants to not the way I want to.

Jesus expects everyone to be different and to use our talents and skills the best way possible. We must live our lives according to how God made us. God made me to want to passionately heal and help others and is asking me to expand this totally putting his Church and others before my needs. If I am busy trying to be perfect I cannot focus on my studies as a healer and counselor because I will be too concerned overly concerned how I offend God every single minute of the day. I will not be a good wife and mother if I am focusing on trying to be too perfect. Plus it is harder for me to admit my faults trying to be too perfect.

I must admit my faults and weaknesses readily to myself, Jesus and others and work on them constantly.

This is what happened to Martin Luther. He became to obsessed and out of balance. We all must stay in balance in all aspects of life.

So I have learned to look at how God made the whole universe and every thing in it and study his natural laws to learn how I should function and run my life. Seeing god’s efforts in function in everything allows me to understand how he works. Staying in balance, being moderate in everything I have learned, as the Church does, to pray and discern before making most discisions, to be patient, to not hurry so I don’t upset things making situations for others much worse and pray things through.

So do pray for me that I stay on the path that Jesus wants me to be on and I have been praying for you both, Victor, and Paul to stay on the path that Jesus wants you to be on.

I am glad we have been communicating. We all need prayers in our journey to heaven.

I have many people praying for me according to Jesus’ path well many of them are praying according to what they think Jesus wants for me but heck I need prayers and help and I accept any kind of praying I can get!!! Thus due to all the prayers many changes have happened!!

So Victor, thanks for writing. God has brought us together. The reason I don’t accept to pray for each other and to learn from each other. I am learning much from reading yours and Paul’s letters.

Sorry I have stopped reading the informational emails. May help me to practice discerning. So keep sending them.

Have a great weekend to you and Paul!!

Victor’s reply:

Deborah, allow me to make some comments and ask some questions.

You speak of “revering” rather than “worshiping” Mary. What is the difference? My dictionary shows those words to be the same. However, all dictionaries aside, many women can have babies, so there is nothing special in that respect. As to birthing the body of Jesus Christ, God easily could have accomplished that with any woman. The Scriptures declare that if the crowds did not praise the Lord, the very stones would do so, and John the Baptist said that God was able to raise up stones to worship Him. Here are those Scriptures:

“And some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to Him, Teacher, rebuke your disciples. And He answered and said to them, I tell you that if these should be silent, the stones would cry out” (Luke 19:39-40).

And:

“Therefore bring forth fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones” (Luke 3:8).

Another question: If Mary is the “mother of God” (which she is not…the notion is blasphemy) then why would you not worship her? Is not the “Mother of God” totally worthy of worship?

As to the apparitions, you speak of Mary repenting to Jesus and praying to Him. If she is His spiritual mother (which she would have to be if she is the “Mother of God”), and without sin, what would she have to repent of? You, Deborah, along with all Catholics who believe and speak as do you, are quite confounded, contradicting yourself at every turn. Again, the apparitions are deceptive in that they pretend to demonstrate or represent good things, but one who knows the Lord will see through them swiftly and easily enough, howbeit only by the grace of God.

Did you not see the Scriptures we sent you, showing how Mary was nobody privileged above anyone else during the days of Jesus’ flesh? As it is written:

“Then one said to Him, Behold, Your mother and Your brothers stand outside, desiring to speak with You. And He answered and said to him who told Him, Who is My mother? And who are My brothers? And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, Behold, My mother and My brothers! For whoever shall do the will of My Father in Heaven, the same is My brother and sister and mother” (Matthew 12:47-50).

Mary was an ordinary woman, Deborah, a believer, yes (which makes her uncommon, with us), but an ordinary person, as are we. God alone is good. Jesus Himself said so:

“And behold, one came and said to Him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:16-17).

You write: “No I have not stopped reading that readings being sent. Because I realize when reading your letters to me I get the feeling of despair of having to be too perfect in God’s eyes.

What does Jesus have to say about that, Deborah? Here it is:

“Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48).

He also said:

“For I say to you that unless your righteousness shall exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven” (Matthew 5:20).

The Pharisees prayed, gave alms to the poor, tithed, attended “church” regularly, witnessed to others, fasted, preached, and studied the Scriptures. They were doing more than you now do, according to your own confessions and presentations. Jesus said it was not enough. Truer words were never spoken. What then do you make of that?

You write: “I know he wants me to believe and then figure things out later. So I must work on totally trusting in him and have 100 percent faith in him before he reveals to me his plans etc.

Have you not red what we have written to you? Faith is a gift. You are afraid of perfection yet you speak of believing 100% before He “reveals His plans to you.” Is that not “perfection”? It does not work that way, Deborah.

There are many more things that could be said, but enough for now.

Victor

 

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