A reader of The Issues of Life and one with whom we corresponded red Gene Shaparenko’s article about us and wrote this letter to him:
Dallas: Hello Gene:
I read your article on Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk on Aqua Technology’s web-page. I must say that I was greatly displeased with your deceitful tactics and manipulation of quotes. Also, I was greatly displeased with your judgments base on ignorance and a complete inability to understand the things you condemn.
Gene: “One of the Cohen e-mails that we can print here is as follows:
‘What a liar you are! A complete and total bullshitter, if there ever was one.’
I won’t print the other one on file – our ISP might yank our connection to the server.
‘…Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My bretheren, these things out not so to be so. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Where envying and strife are, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle and easy to be entreated’. James 3: 10-17.”
Dallas: Why didn’t you post the reason why he said it, if you were trying to be fair and honest? Is it because you wanted to hide what he was addressing? You left a link to the sources of other quotes, why not this one? Clearly you are hiding the real issue, which is that you are the one who is up to evil. If you would have cited the reasons why he called you a liar and bull-shitter, then the people would be able to decide for themselves as you suggest, rather than being led to a certain view of these men, dictated by you.
Don’t you know that what they spoke to you was not bitter but sweet water? Water you should have begged for? These words are spoken for your life, that you may have it. Why should they leave you in your sins and self-”unawareness”? Why shouldn’t you be confronted with the truth that you may have a chance to change? Let’s look at Christ:
Matthew 16:17 – And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mark 8:33 – But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Here Christ, out of the same fountain, has spoken the sweet and what you would call bitter. Do you condemn Christ’s actions as you do with Paul and Victor? Then why do you condemn Victor’s words? You are so full of your own righteousness that you believe anyone who tells you how wicked you truly are, are from the devil. Why? Because you hate God and His ways. You have confessed several times that you do by the way you act.
With this article you have proven Paul’s words true that you are a liar, and you are speaking confidently with ignorance, regarding things you have the slightest inkling about.
Jude 1:10 – But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Here are a few examples.
Gene: “but to this date, I haven’t seen any of these bedfellows of Hafichuk on the receiving end of his vicious attacks.”
Dallas: You’re assuming that Victor is all smiles and hugs with those who agree with him. This is not true. I am a person who understands the truth being spoken by Paul and Victor. Yet, I have been on the receiving end of what you call vicious attacks. If you want I can send you copies of those e-mails.
Was it also a vicious attack when Paul confronted Peter about not being straight-forward about the gospel? No, you would dare say the apostle Paul was viciously attacking Peter. So why do you call Victor’s love for others vicious attacks? Because you love yourself more than truth and couldn’t bear accepting how wicked you (and all mankind) are. You wish to hold on to the deeds you deem to be good and anyone who opposes your “good deeds” with the truth about them, you hate. Which of Christ’s many rebukes, do you call vicious attacks? Then why are those who show you your sins attacking you viciously? It is because you love your darkness. You love being admired and having fellowship with those who praise you. You hate the rejection the world has for those who truly love the Truth, Jesus Christ.
You constantly judge them because of the judgment given to them. Why?
To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD. Psalms 149:9
Why do you condemn so devoutly the honor of judgment that God has given to all of His saints? Or do you hate God for giving His saints that honor? Both most likely… It is evident. You need to take a long look at yourself.
Titus 1:13 – This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
They obey God while you condemn them for doing it. Saying they are judgmental and hateful. How can one turn from his sins unless he is first told what his sins are? Do you think God is careless and does not send His chosen to tell people their sins?
Isaiah 58:1 – Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins
Do you confront your peers and followers, pointing out their sins to them that they may change? No, because you would rather please men in your “Christian love” than testify of their wickedness by the Spirit.
Gene: “It is a shame that these men cannot direct their several energies in directions which are worthy of their talents and turn others to Christ rather than demean Christians who are at least trying to live the best way they know before God.”
Dallas: Again you are lying. What makes you think that they are not turning others to Christ? Or are you talking about the fictional character taught by the orthodox clergy who are Catholics with some reform. That is the problem, people are trying to live the best way they know rather than listening to Godly wisdom and those sent to them. Look at you for example. Are you trying the best way you know to live right before God? How are you doing with that? Still haven’t overcome all the sins in your life? You trying hard but still falling? You proudly quote:
Gene: “Matthew 7:21-23’MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.’”
Dallas: While they say, they’ve been perfected. They are born again. They are sent by God to tell it like it is. They speak God’s words. And,
Gene: “man no longer seeks to be independent of Him (to have a ‘free will’); he HAS BECOME God”
Dallas: The scripture proclaim that those who are born of the Spirit will do all these things above and more. Why don’t you believe scripture? Because you don’t love truth. You want your sins and heaven too.
Now let me bust your bubble. The quote you mentioned above Matt. Who do you suppose are those who work iniquity? Is it those who are made perfect by God? Or is it those who still have some sins (iniquity) in their lives? Guess what, every time you sin, YOU are the worker of iniquity. For God gave this testimony of those who are born of His spirit.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9.
You can run to your theologians and scholars so that they can excuse you by saying this is talking about those who habitually sin to tickle your ears if you wish. But ask yourselves what does HE CANNOT SIN mean? It means he is unable to sin. How can one with the Spirit of Christ live contrary to Christ, as you do each time you sin?
Do you really think God is biased? Whether we are called Christian or Muslim, we will pay the price for our sins. Or do you think God said in vain, we will receive according to our works?
I believe the problem is that since you don’t know anyone who is born again and don’t wish to be either, anyone who comes to you with the truth, being sent by God is a liar. You just don’t believe God is able to take away our sins because you say you believe and still have yours.
Gene: “Hafichuk’s verbal minstrations cover everything from Amway to Christmas trees, and from masturbation to why Hitler will be in heaven and why Billy Graham and a host of other evangelical and fundamental Christian outreaches and soulwinning ministries are satanic.”
Dallas: Why are you being so deceitful? You paint the picture as if Victor called Hitler righteous and Billy Graham and the fundamental outreaches evil. How are you not a liar, which would make their judgment unrighteous? Your article is full of lies. Why not be honest and say he said that all of them are evil, but all will see the salvation of God at His timing? Because it doesn’t paint Victor out to be the beast you want people to believe he is. You are quite clever though I’ll admit. The way you threw Victors quotes alongside Benny Hinn, Hagin, and a number of phonies as if they are all saying the same thing. You might not believe in Him, but there are consequences for your deceit that you will endure.
Gene: “(1) An erroneous teaching that the Church is built on the foundation of present-day “apostles” and “prophets”, parts of which are referred to as the “five-fold” ministry.”
Dallas: Where and when have you seen Paul or Victor to have said such a thing? The Church is Christ’s body. He is the foundation. Why do you lie so easily and without regret? Provide your evidence. I’ve read over 80% of their writings and Issues of Life and have not seen such a doctrine. Five-fold ministry? Now where did you get that from? Why are you saying what they believe and you don’t know.
Gene: “(2) A “restoration” of personal prophecy by way of these “apostles” and “prophets” producing what is called “present truth” or “what the Spirit is saying today” or what is commonly known as the “Signs and Wonders Movement or “The Third Wave”. These “revelations” are allowed to add to and/or have equal authority to the closed canon of Scripture(clearly a carryover from Hafichuk’s confusing experiences in the Catholic church and its Magisterium), his belief in Calvinism(or Hyper-Calvinism) as well as his upbringing in an area of Canada where Pentacostalism bred these heresies a generation ago;”
Dallas: His belief in Calvinism? Where are you getting your ludicrous assumptions? Just how much do you hate Paul and Victor that you would go around telling these bold-face lies? If you read their writings with an open mind and heart, you would condemn yourself and acknowledge that you have wasted server-space with unmerited lies, and all because you hated the fact that someone loved you enough to tell you the truth about yourself.
Gene: “(3) an anti-denominational and anti-organizational stance(arrogance might be a more appropriate descriptor); separatism combined with legalism many times leads to heretical theologies as history has shown us century after century.”
Dallas: God called us to be separate from sinners. How many sinners do you fellowship with? How many of those you fellowship with do wrong and you don’t confront them about it? You’re not trying to create enemies, but love even those who curse you huh? How do you love those you claim hate you by publishing lie after lie about them?
Legalism? Don’t make me laugh. Neither Paul nor Victor would tell anyone they are able to keep the law. It is impossible as they have exclaimed time and time again for the unbiased. They speak of the grace of God whereas God is the one who enables sinful man to walk in obedience and righteousness, thus fulfilling the Law in Christ. Yet, you don’t care about what they believe. You don’t even care to understand what they preach. You just wish to tear it down, looking ever so honorable to the blind and eternally ignorant to the one who does get the point.
Gene: “(4) a resurrection or resurgence of Jewish Old Testament law, applied to believers in this Church age and and which would be harshly administered by the “apostles” and “prophets” identified in (1) above;”
Dallas: Do you mean God’s Law? You’re saying Jewish Old Testament Law as if it is not God’s, who does not change for that matter. How do you suppose God gave commandments to His people that are only for the Jews? All are one in Christ Jesus.
Romans 3:29 – Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
God gave His people commandments. Now, if you are saying that you are not His people, accept my apologies for expecting you to act like you believed scripture. His people seek to please Him. They don’t call the very scriptures that reflect His character a thing of the past.
The irony comes in when people who say the Law is not for us, but at the same time carry out the same religious practices (in a different way) that were done away with because they were only shadows of things to come. God did away with the foreshadowing rituals of the Levitical system that could not make one righteous and the Christian world makes new rituals to replace them. Truly they say, the old wine is better. You have done away with God’s Law, which he never replaced, and chose to make rituals to replace the ones He did away with. How contrary to God we live?
Gene: “The law was given to the Israelites during that dispensation to demonstrate to the Jew that it was indeed impossible to attain righteousness by keeping the laws(hundred of them). To claim that the OT law is binding on this current dispensation is to simply not understand the purpose of the various economies that God has(and will) employ to show man his imperfection away from the saving grace of Jesus Christ.”
Dallas: No. What you say here shows that you don’t understand the power of God. While it is true that it is impossible to attain righteousness by keeping the law, the work of Christ in us reconciles us to God by giving us the ability to obey His commands.
Romans 8:4 – That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
How can one fulfill the righteousness of the law if he walks contrary to it? It is evident that you walk after the flesh, because by your own mouth, you confess that it is not fulfilled in you. At this point, I suppose you label me as another of Victor’s butt-buddies who spread hate. Yet, you are still missing the point that the problem is with you. You need to look at yourself. You judge Victor with deceitful manipulation of his words, lacking substance and evidence. Yet, while myriad evidence is presented to you of your error, you are unable to see you for the wicked man that you are.
Gene: “(5) the subsequent confusion of grace and law, flying in the face of Christ’s finished work on the cross;”
Dallas: This seems to be talking about you. And you have accurately depicted your stance.
Gene: “(6) the emergence of an elect group of individuals who have attained a near state of perfection in righteousness who will drive satanic influences out of the earth’s nations and prepare a righteous environment to be judged and governed by this elect group called the Manifest Sons of God(MSOG)(see link below); this is no different from the viewpoint of the New Age or the Indian and Tibetian monks and yogi’s who invoke spiritism to attain their own ‘perfection’;”
Dallas: Again you are lying and confuse true testimony with that which sounds similar to those without understanding. These fellows you compare Victor’s words to believe that this “state of perfection” is something man can attain by his works. What Victor and Paul are talking about is the complete opposite. They are talking about God’s work. His purging His sons and daughters that they may grow into perfection.
Ephesians 4:13 – Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
Hebrews 6:1 – Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Just because God has not brought you into His grace, don’t call the scriptures false and the Holy Spirit an unclean thing as you are now doing in condemning God’s work in the present.
Gene: “(7) what amounts to a modern version of the classic heresy of Gnosticism, which taught that a spiritual elite possesed ‘hidden knowledge’ of the divine realm which placed their personal revelations, spiritual experiences, and private interpretation of Scripture above the ordinary revelation of God’s Word. Today, this feature is found in elements of Calvinism which absorbed Augustine’s highly successful efforts to integrate Gnosticism into the Catholic Church’s theology in the fourth century.”
Dallas: Ordinary revelation? I think the more appropriate phrase would be carnal revelation, which does not have the truth.
1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Why hate them because God has graced them with the hidden wisdom, or knowledge as you call it?
1 Corinthians 4:5 – Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Be honest, you’re mad because your heart has been exposed as God said it would be when the Lord comes (upon His servants). The Lord has come and chosen vessels that have brought light to your darkness, which you savor, calling it love and compassion.
As Christ said, the Truth shall make you free. Do you have the Truth? If so, why are you still a slave of sin. If you cannot stop sinning, how do you suppose that you have been freed by what you call truth?
How do you suppose that they have private interpretation of scripture, being as though God revealed much of the truth they’ve attested to before I ever met them? How is it that anyone who does not believe the orthodox interpretation is misled, unless they say that their (private) interpretation true?
Gene: “(8) post-millennialism/anti-semitism – consistent to varying degrees across virtually all of the organizations listed below.”
Dallas: Anti-Semitism? Are you on crack? That is a serious question with no humor implied. Have you not read what they have to say about the Jewish people? If you have, then why post a lie like this? The other things may be lies due to your lack of understanding. But this is a complete disregard of what Victor and Paul have said concerning this issue. And if you have read their comments on Jews and Israel, then you are purposely lying to slander people you hate. Why? Only because they loved you enough to tell you to change your evil ways.
Gene: “In fact, Hafichuk openly admits that his organization IS a cult.”
Dallas: Give me a quote. It may be possible that I have not read this confession. So please do, send me the quote that you are referring to. I doubt you will though because this just seems to be another in a long list of lies you have spoken about someone who was trying to help you (but not as the world helps her own).
Gene: “However, Hafichuk shares these and other beliefs and heresies with a growing number of religious organizations, that unlike himself, DO have organizational names, DO identify their theological sources and DO provide a statement of faith and constitute a growing influence inside and outside of many Protestant and Catholic churches.”
Dallas: Again please stop your incessant lies. Victor and Paul have never hesitated to identify their Source, and if you had any faith at all, you wouldn’t have had to ask. And as for the organizational names, they only show that they are carnal.
1 Corinthians 3:3 – For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul [Baptist]; and another, I am of Apollos [catholic, etc]; are ye not carnal?
Gene: “Jesus gave a solemn warning in Matthew 7:21-23 ‘MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.’”
Dallas: Again I ask, is it Paul and Victor who are the workers of iniquity because they confront people about their sins? Or are you the worker of iniquity because at this point you still commit iniquity/sin? You work iniquity and you cannot deny that you are a sinner. So it would be better for you to take heed of this scripture rather than they.
Keep in mind, that I’m only addressing almost 25% of your article and look at all of the lies you’ve spoken out of hatred. Your article possesses no edification for those you say are in error or for anyone reading it. I bet you only get thanks for your slander and nothing about how this article has edified the readers. In your correspondence with Paul and Victor, they have tried to edify you and reach out. You offer them no correction other than you’re right and they’re wrong. It is no surprise that those who think they have wisdom and understanding applaud your efforts. It is because they hate the Light as you do.
Why don’t you publish this on your web-site, if you are finished hiding behind deceit? Why don’t you post the exact reason you were called a liar and bull-shitter, if you are fair and honest? As you said, “Write us an e-mail with your viewpoints and we will create a blog at this URL with the most interesting responses. See entries immediately below.”
Will you be a man of your word, or are only those in agreement with you worthy of being space on your blog?
While we all sin daily and are not yet perfect as Christ when he will appear to take us home, we are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth. This division has to do with separating the edible part of rat poison from the small percent that is dangerous.
This “work” that Cohen and Hafichuk believe they are doing is highly destructive to Christians who are looking for maturity in their walk yet find only unjustifiable criticism and outright vulgarity when dealing with Hafichuk and Cohen.
I have carefully documented the reasons that these men have ended up where they are, theologically; those are undeniable facts and the rest of much of their writings clearly reflects how the cart has followed the horse into the ditch.
You defend something which you clearly do not understand; perhaps as you mature in Christ with brothers and sisters in belief you will come to see the subtle nature of their divisive and unscriptural activities.
May God have mercy on you as you walk in the light of their teachings – He is indeed merciful and when you truly look for knowledge and guidance you will find it – but likely not with Hafichuk and Cohen where there is no fellowship, only unjustifiable condemnation of others.
Many may have heard their writings and share the legalism and Latter Rain/MSOG perceptions; H and C are not alone in this unfortunate theological mixmaster; others like them also discourage and drive many away from Christ and His enlightment. they are indeed a part of the apostate church which is now forming in these final days before Christ removes his Church in the rapture.
Dallas: Hello Gene,
I will respond to each paragraph your wrote, beneath it.
Gene: “While we all sin daily and are not yet perfect as Christ when he will appear to take us home, we are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth. This division has to do with separating the edible part of rat poison from the small percent that is dangerous.”
Dallas: You stand behind your ignorance with pride and this is not good. Did you even read the first letter I sent you? Then how do you presume to justify your sins because you say, “we all sin” as if it is now acceptable to God. Are not all men wicked? So since all men are wicked is okay to be wicked (according to your train of thought). Again you confess how you do not know God.
1 John 3:8 – He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Like you said, we all sin daily. If you believe the scripture for what it says, you have just confessed to me that you are of the devil. Yet, you attack those who do not confess to be of the devil as you do. You say until Christ comes
1 John 4:3 – And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Also, you have confessed that you are antichrist. Because you deny that Christ comes in the flesh presently. Read the scripture, it does not speak of past or future but the present. This was written after Christ’s death, and it is not past-tense but present tense. Every time you respond, you show how much you don’t know.
Hebrews 9:28 – So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
How is it that you believe that you are saved, but yet you are still waiting for Christ? Why don’t you believe the scripture? It says to those who look for Him, shall he appear the second time.
John 14:22 – Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Are you understanding these things? If you were saved and born again, then Christ would have already appear to you the second time without sin unto salvation. You only speak in the manner you do because you don’t know and refuse to humble yourself that you may learn.
How do you so arrogantly assume you can rightly divide God’s word? Look at how contrary to scripture the smallest of your statements are. God’s word is spiritual. Carnal man is unable to understand it by his own reasoning. God gives wisdom to whoever He chooses. If you loved Truth, you would hear it. But you try to understand spiritual things with carnal reasoning. Is it strange that you are confused and without understanding? Nope. Let me show you the Day that you are waiting for, which has nothing to do with salvation.
Amos 5:18-22 – Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
What you are waiting for is not salvation, which is for those who look to Him. As the scripture says, He will cleanse them of their sins now, in this world (Heb 9:28). God is able. And He will manifest Himself to them, but not the world (John 14:22). The day you seek is one of darkness, but it is no surprise seeing that you love darkness more than Truth, which is Christ.
Gene: “This ‘work’ that Cohen and Hafichuk believe they are doing is highly destructive to Christians who are looking for maturity in their walk yet find only unjustifiable criticism and outright vulgarity when dealing with Hafichuk and Cohen.”
Dallas: The only reason you find them vulgar and their “criticism” unjustifiable is because you refuse to accept the truth about yourself. I have seen your many correspondences with them. And you are the one without substance in your accusation. What specifically have they “criticized” unjustifiably? On the other hand, I see you throwing judgment at them without specifics. Pointing only to what you think about what they did. And when they point out the scriptural evidence of the things they say to you, you don’t correct it or respond. So who is really speaking with bitterness?
We (in the flesh) do have all sorts of shortcomings and that is the reason that God sends people to us to correct us on these things. Sometimes it may be a little child that He uses to correct one of their sins. Yet, when one of His sons or daughters come with correction, the consequences of rejection are more severe.
There was a time not long ago, when Victor and Paul, unbiased, confronted me about what God meant to me. And I responded in a similar fashion to the way you’ve spoken with them. But when I looked at myself, in light of what they said to me, I found myself to be the one at fault. And though you don’t see that about yourself, anyone else with minimal understanding, such as myself, can see right through you.
I wrote you a long letter and the only thing you give me is your opinion. No scripture or any of your “evidence” you claim to have but you say you have it. What about all of the lies you spoke about “H” and “C” as you write of them? You definitely need to apologize because of all of the lies that you have spoken. If you read my letter, any person with the slightest bit of honesty would admit that there are lies throughout your paper. But you don’t care about truth. What was it all for then? Revenge? You repay good with evil, shame on you.
Gene: “I have carefully documented the reasons that these men have ended up where they are, theologically; those are undeniable facts and the rest of much of their writings clearly reflects how the cart has followed the horse into the ditch.”
Dallas: I will give you that. You have definitely documented various opinion, but you have not presented any plausible evidence nor facts. How can you say what their writings reflect when you don’t understand them? Show me one specific undeniable fact. Just one. And I don’t mean that Victor is from Canada or where he met Paul or any other silly response that could be given. You say they are unscriptural. Show me one scripture they have taken out of context and put it in its proper context for me. You believe I’m going down the wrong road. Then why not explain to me how with specific information? That question is easily answered, you can’t do it. As you said, not in these exact words, but you and those with you are TRYING to figure out what to do. But let me warn you, that you will fail. Not because I will not be open-minded and unbias with any plausible evidence you may present, but because:
1 Peter 2:6 – Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
You are alredy confused and have been so for a long time. Why do you not acknowledge that you don’t believe on Him? Do you really believe the scriptures? Then why do you ignore them as if they are not before you, substantiating what has been said to you. That is the different between you and them. When they say something about you, the scripture are behind them. You know it, and you know you cannot prove it wrong. When you say something about them, it is just how you feel and opinions. You have not spoken specifically about any wrong they have done.
Gene: “You defend something which you clearly do not understand; perhaps as you mature in Christ with brothers and sisters in belief you will come to see the subtle nature of their divisive and unscriptural activities.”
Dallas: Again you show your ignorance. How do you suppose I can grow and mature in Christ if I follow the blind? Where is your dedication to the Lord? It sounds like you believe I can just walk any road, maturing in Christ, until I end up in “church.” Is that how unrighteous you believe God to be? That He would give the Bible to man for direction and then let man chose any way to be directed to Him. Only the thief tries another way, as you do.
You say I defend something I clearly don’t understand? Again, have you read my letter? If you did, how do you say I don’t understand? Divisive? Indeed. Subtle? Oscar Mayer. They have been nothing but straight forward with every discussion I’ve seen them in. Where does this subtlely come in? What specifically are you talking about? Oh, I’m sorry. You don’t have time to go into detail for me, right? But you love me like yourself right? You believe I’m heading down the right path and you tell me go ahead and be devoured, right?
Would you let your child, whom you love, walk into a swimming pool? Watching him walk to his shallow grave, you would tell him, go ahead son, you’ll see that you can’t breath underwater. My, my, my, I just feel so loved (excuse my sarcasm). You don’t see a problem with any of the things you said huh? You are justified by God already, right? It doesn’t matter how many people you watch walk to destruction because you’re saved. So what, if you recite lies about people with no evidence because you’re saved. So what, if what you call love is watching people go the wrong way; is turning your back to them because you don’t want to be unbiased; is not explaining why you have a certain opinion about someone with evidence to support that opinion; is ignoring scriptures that show clearly you are in error and have no understanding because you love the One who gave it. You can keep your love. And if you think you love your neighbor as yourself, you are purely delusional.
Gene: “May God have mercy on you as you walk in the light of their teachings – He is indeed merciful and when you truly look for knowledge and guidance you will find it – but likely not with Hafichuk and Cohen where there is no fellowship, only unjustifiable condemnation of others.”
Dallas: Wow, so you think I can follow those who teach lies (according to you) and still find knowledge and guidance. You say I can walk in the LIGHT of their teaching. If one walks in light, there is knowledge and guidance there. Yet, I think you were being sarcastic with that statement. There is much fellowship for those who are not so materially/carnally minded. Fellowship begins with God and flows down through His body, that He is one with.
Or are you suggesting I should fellowship in church. Where people smile in your face and talk about you behind your back. Most persons involved in your fellowship don’t even believe as you do. You would be surprised how much division there already is in “churches.” But you are unable to see, because you have place your idols a pedestal so high, you can barely look upon it clearly.
Gene: “Many may have heard their writings and share the legalism and Latter Rain/MSOG perceptions; H and C are not alone in this unfortunate theological mixmaster; others like them also discourage and drive many away from Christ and His enlightment. they are indeed a part of the apostate church which is now forming in these final days before Christ removes his Church in the rapture.”
Dallas: H and C huh? You couldn’t even bring yourself to type their names. Are you truly loving your neighbor as self? Do you have a lot of hate bottled up inside you because you are being told just how unrighteous you are.
Legalism? You should read my first letter. I covered that sufficiently and being as though you cannot show where I was wrong in my rebuttal, I think you already know that’s a lie, if you read. If you have not read it, I will say this, show me where Paul and Victor have said that man can be saved by keeping the law. If you cannot do that, then please stop lying.
They are not discouraged people. They are being honest about their sins and situations. I never saw you express how they were wrong about the sins they spoke to you. Maybe you would like to. I will hear you out.
You say they share “perceptions.” You do too. Do you think that what you believe is exclusive to you? Muslims believe there is one God. If you believe that as well, is it right for me to accuse you of being an affiliate of their doctrine. Buddhists believe that one should be compassionate and love others as well. Would it be fair if I said you share views with them? How would you like it if I went around saying
Many may have heard his (Gene’s) writings and share the legalism and Islamic/Buddhist perceptions. (your quote, my changes in blue)
Would you not call this slander and lies? Just because there may be something that two different beliefs agree upon does not mean that they share doctrines or believe the same thing. You are being so desperate to bring there name down, that you will try any and everything you think may aid you. That is sad.