Carla's Blog Posting #2
Second blog posting by Carla Rolfe:
Cults and The Internet
Yesterday, I received a very long comment (broken up in several posts)
by a man named Victor Hafichuk. This came as a result of my blog response
to an email I received a couple of weeks ago. Since I’ve received
several concerned emails and IMs wondering about this whole strange
deal, I’m going to post the entirety of that email. Apparently,
I’m not the only one who has heard from these folks. You’ll
find more on that here, here, and here. One person commenting here
“His normal process in Southern Alberta
is to sneek into churches, steal their membership directories and
then send out letters to the
congregation telling them everything that was wrong with the message
and other targeted attacks on leadership in the local church. Yup,
saw that first hand and was on the list of targets - thank goodness
my wife intercepted the letter and never did read it. Others in the
church laughed and threw it away in the garbage.”
Now, I have no way to verify if this is true or not, but it certainly
wouldn’t surprise me. I know of a seriously obnoxious hyper-Calvinist
that has done things quite similar. I have received many of his wacky
emails, along with an open list of all the other email addresses he’s
collected over the years.
Here is the actual email (which I thought I had deleted just yesterday,
prior to receiving the blog comment, but was still in the trash folder):
The following paper will be of interest and pertinence to you for
possibly several reasons among many. It has been our great honor
and identify the error and spirit of John Calvin, whose rule is yet
propagated in the hearts of men with evil consequences for all. The
Lord Jesus Christ has visited us with the Light of His countenance
to put an end to this evil, justifying His servants whom Calvin murdered,
and His Name in the sight of all.
The Fruit of Cain Multiplied: The Murderer John Calvin [PDF
Show me whom you follow, and I will know what
manner of person you are or will become. If you do not know whom
you are following, don’t
you think it is time to find out how and where you are being led? Do
you think you will altogether escape the consequences because ignorant?
Think again. You already suffer them.
John Calvin was one of the most vicious of wolves
ever to pose as a lamb of God. His supremely self-righteous spirit
lives on in those
who lionize and follow him, even unbeknownst to themselves. Truly, “that
which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.”
Paul Cohen & Victor Hafichuk
Back in 1997, my husband and I met some folks just like this, through
Prodigy’s online Christian chat rooms. This was a group of “no
one is saved except us!” folks who had rejected any association
with a local church or recognized denomination. They had all moved
to a large piece of property and began an agricultural-Christian-commune.
Trolling for converts, they took to the internet and made quite a lot
of noise about themselves. There were two main leaders of this cult,
and they liked to play the good cop/bad cop routine. One was blantantly
obnoxious and insulting, preaching hell and damnation to anyone who
didn’t agree with him, and the other was a kinder, gentler version
of a cult leader, and actually a quite likable guy - other than the
fact that he was just as deceived as his bad cop co-leader. Sadly,
one of the regular chatters in that chat room actually went to visit
these folks and ended up moving there to live among them. I’m
not sure if anyone ever heard from her again, and not long after we
dropped the Prodigy service.
I have opted to leave the comments here by Victor Hafichuk, for a
couple of reasons. I want my readers to see what routinely shows up
in my email inbox. I get letters very similar to this on a regular
basis, and have for many years. Most of the time they go right into
the spam/junk folder but every once in a while one sneaks through into
my inbox. I’m pretty sure that if it weren’t for the internet,
I would never really be exposed to things like this. Due to my status
as a stay at home mom, I can’t imagine any type of scenario in
day to day life where I’d run into people like this, and have
their beliefs exposed like you’ll find online.
I want my readers here to know folks like this are out there, so that
you can pray for them. Clearly they are deceived, and clearly they
need God’s mercy and grace just as much as anyone else does.
In my initial blog response I was somewhat sarcastic about all this,
but the sarcasm wasn’t aimed at them personally. The big problem
with being deceived, is that you don’t know that you are, and
there is just NO talking to people like this. The only thing they want
to hear, is “you are right, I am wrong, please tell me oh faithful
one, how I can make things right!?” They always use the same
fiery, insulting, condemning, screechy sort of attack, as if there
is a template out there just ready for you to download and insert your
own cult’s messages into. I’ve seen this so many times.
It seems for whatever reason, in the last couple of weeks that this
group has been very very busy on Christian blog comboxes, displaying
the very attitude and conduct I’ve mentioned here.
So I will simply end with the same comment Lee Shelton at The Contemporary
Calvinist wrote a few days ago on this same matter:
“I only pray that the Holy Spirit will open their eyes. I pray
that they will be convicted of their error and that one day I can welcome
them into God’s kingdom as a brothers and sisters in Christ.”
What is amazing to me is the level of blindness seems to always be
trumped by the level of zeal.
Daniel | Homepage | 03.28.08 - 12:35 pm | #
Wow! Very sad. I’m thankful I’m not on their list and
I’m hoping to stay that way.
rebecca | Homepage | 03.28.08 - 4:32 pm | #
I am so deluded. I really did not think there were people out there
like this. It is really quite heart-breaking.
Lisa Nunley | Homepage | 03.29.08 - 9:36 am | #
Daniel: it used to be amazing to me too, but I’ve seen it so
much it no longer has that same affect. It just makes me sad, as Rebecca
Lisa: unfortunately, there are A LOT of people like this “out
there” - most of the time however, they don’t go out of
their way to draw such attention to themselves. Most of the time (in
my experience anyway) they don’t post with real names, real email
addresses, or real websites.
Not much you can do with folks like this, beyond prayer. Since they
already have all the answers and are absolutely unteachable or unreachable,
you’re pretty much left with leaving them, to the Lord.
Carla | Homepage | 03.29.08 - 10:04 am | #
Paul’s reply to Carla:
You say there is not much to do with us but to leave us “to
the Lord.” You certainly never lifted a finger to do anything
for us to begin with, unless you count making fun of what we do and
stand for as helpful. Do your readers know, for example, that you never
replied to our email to let us know we are supposedly misguided and
in the wrong in the first place? Instead you simply dismissed us with
open contempt and mockery as entertainment on your blog, ignoring the
substance of what we sent you. There is no evidence you have even red
the writing in question:
The Fruit of Cain Multiplied: The Murderer John Calvin
What is so loving and godly about your course of action here? Where
is the mercy and grace of God demonstrated towards us? You never identified
our error to others, much less to us. How are we to be saved from the
snares of the devil, if we are so bound, by your making sport of us?
I have never seen the Lord or the saints of God use this technique.
If we cannot receive any mercy or gracious instruction from you, what
is the point of your praying to God that He shows us such? You are
just putting on a show for others to appear pious, when you are nothing
short of a lying murderer:
“If anyone claims, ‘I love God,’ and hates his brother,
he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen,
how is it possible for him to love God whom he has not seen?” (1
John 4:20 EMTV)
“Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know
that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him” (1 John 3:15
Since the Lord has given us all the things you mock, it is not really
us, but Him that you disdain. You would like to wash your hands of
this whole matter, walking away as if justified, but it must and will
be noted that you have not answered many pertinent questions that address
the pillars on which you build your case against the One we serve.
You reiterate here that you receive mail like ours all the time. Victor
had already called you on this matter:
“That is not true. There will not be one
letter/paper like ours in spirit and substance that you have received.
Prove us wrong, publicly.”
You have not produced anything because you cannot. You are not getting
mail like ours and you know it. You are a liar.
You have not answered this charge:
“You say we call others ‘morons.’ You lie, Carla.
Find in any of our sites or letters where we say any such thing.”
So where is the evidence, false accuser? Instead of producing the
goods you warn everyone that there is no talking to us because we won’t
listen. Liar! You won’t talk because you cannot produce the evidence
that supports your lies.
Here is a statement you made that Victor asked you to explain, which
you have not:
“I don’t get to sit on my high horse and look down my
self-righteous nose at him because he’s not saved, or at anyone
else because they’re in a different doctrinal place than I am.”
“No? What have you just done with us,
Carla? What would you call your derision and mockery?”
Why the silence, Carla? We know why. God knows why. Your audience
does not know why, but they will find out too. Will you be last to
admit the truth? Those who make themselves first, above truthfulness
and full disclosure, will be last; you can count on it.
Here is another question you have not answered, except your non-answer
is an answer for those with ears to hear:
“Read the accolades you prize: ‘Spot on, Carla ~ spot
on,’ and, ‘Excellent and amusing!’ And, ‘Ah,
you are marvellous, you know that.’ Joyce, Kristina and Libbie
are impressed. Are these the reactions of believers or those of spectators
at a sport? Is it Jesus Christ that is glorified? Are these people
such that lay down their lives for the Lord or are they as you in all
Regarding the actual paper that we described in an introduction sent
to you, Victor asked you this very appropriate question:
“Are we wrong to tell you that following a murderer turns you
into one? Why would God warn of such things?
‘Blessed is the man who has not walked in the counsel of the
ungodly, and has not stood in the way of sinners, and has not sat in
the seat of the scornful’ (Psalms 1:1 MKJV).”
Why do you hate, mock and scorn us for saying that men of God do not
murder their brethren and boast about it until their dying day? Why
do you focus on the messengers rather than on the Message?
Another question about your vaunted grace:
“‘Love always, communal carrot people’? No high
horse or looking down the nose here, right, Carla? No, all grace, right?”
What of your grace? You seem to answer this, not speaking to Victor
(there is “no talking to” us), but to your audience, saying
in this last response that, though you were sarcastic, you did not
mean anything personally. What a pile of dung passed off as pudding!
If I come up and poke you in the eye, shall you accept my protest that
I did not mean it personally? You are a liar, Carla. You act worse
than the heathen and then try to pass it off as something acceptable,
even commendable. You people had better believe that God hates and
is very angry with this kind of behavior.
“Shame on God for being so unChristian,” you say as you
stick your noses up in the air, hypocrites! Servetus was certainly
correct when he said that trinitarians are atheists. The fools have
said in their hearts that there is no God, and they have no fear of
Him whatsoever. You will learn to fear Him, though; we promise. That
is the salvation of God we preach.
You accused us of not being interested in educating anyone. Victor
“No interest in educating anyone? Really?
That is quite a judgment throne you have there. Are you not guilty
of your own accusations of
us? Have you red all that we write and seen what we have done, how
we live, the price we pay to do so, and know why we do it? Has God
revealed these things to you, Carla?”
Where is your evidence that backs up any of your claims, big-talker?
Yes, you are quick to open your mouth, and just as quick to shut it
when asked to produce the goods. When you think no one can see, you
open it again to accuse, but God sees you and what you do. That is
all that matters. When your fair weather friends are gone, where will
Here is another foundational set of questions based on your appeal
to God’s grace, none of which you have even attempted to answer:
“You [Carla] write: ‘God’s
grace is for all who heed the call to repent, and follow Christ.
Even Calvin, and carrot
That is why we preach, and you have not heeded
as you claim. If you presume to preach to bring God’s grace to those you think not
to have it, is it wrong for us to call people to repentance that they
might receive the grace of God, especially when we have it and see
that you don’t? Do you not contradict yourself? Your problem
is that your definition of grace is ‘iniquity,’ an excuse
to do as you please because Christ died for you. It is wickedness.
You may think our words to be stout against you and Calvin, but did
not the Lord save His harshest words for hypocrites who presumed righteousness
and had none?”
Who can argue? Not even the haters of the Lord. As do all heretics
and haters of Truth, you find fault first with the messengers rather
than the Message. Such is the nature of the beast.
You quote an anonymous poster from another site that condemns Victor,
adding, “Now, I have no way to verify if
this is true or not....”
That is right, and exactly why such hearsay is inadmissible in any
heathen court, let alone among the saints. Why do you present and circulate
such reports? It is the nature of the beast.
You bring up some people you met online, whom you claim were a cult.
So what? We have nothing to do with them. There is not even guilt by
association. So why do you bring it up? It is the nature of the beast.
You quote another blogger who said regarding us:
“I only pray that the Holy Spirit will
open their eyes. I pray that they will be convicted of their error
and that one day I can welcome
them into God’s kingdom as a brothers and sisters in Christ.”
In case you are not up to date on your Calvinist doctrine, it goes
“You really leave me no choice but to predestinate you to eternal
Why do you try to hide and cover over the horrible things your god
has predestined for so many of us, including members of your family
and friends? You can just drop this pious sounding, lying, nonsense
prayer for those you consider false teachers. These crocodile tears
do not fool us and they do not do justice to your false god and doctrine.
According to the saying, the crocodiles shed their tears for those
the beast would consume. Seeing you cry only confirms what we already
see of your vicious spirit and intentions, the very same that Calvin
manifested towards Servetus and Castellion.
Yes, the Whore has been drunk with the blood of the saints, but now
her day of judgment is here, and who will stop God Who judges her?
Victor’s answer to the blog post:
It simply does not matter to Carla Rolfe whether or not she speaks
the truth or disseminates unconfirmed, unsubstantiated opinions and
criticisms to a nominal Christian public. These things might be true
and they might be lies, but to her the important thing is that she
maintains her ego and image. Her ways have nothing to do with the Lord
Jesus Christ, Who is the Truth, and Who condemns false accusation,
demanding that all things be established by two or three witnesses.
You are all liars, Nash included, with the same offenses against God
that Carla commits. And we will prove it, repeatedly.
Now I will address “Anonymous,” quoted from Nash’s
blog, who declares himself, “just a Christian from Canada,” and
thus I address all those who support him in his spirit and thinking.
Firstly, he is a coward. Some, like “concerned citizen gal” posting
at Rolfe’s blog, claim they have to conceal their identity for
the sake of their families. Yet they are not the least reticent to
slander others publicly while protecting themselves. How concerned
is “concerned citizen gal” about any other family? Is this
Christlike conduct? And she accuses me of lacking Christian love?
And then you wonder why God sends spokespersons to “reprove
the works of darkness,” especially those that use His Name in
their nefarious deeds? Hypocrites!
Anonymous, you and your brood are not as some honest, well-intentioned,
genuine brethren of Christ, who reported evil doings of the Corinthians:
“For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brothers,
by those of Chloe, that there are contentions among you” (1 Corinthians
Those of Chloe! They did not mind being named because they knew they
were standing in Truth, with the Lord, seeking justice and righteousness,
and therefore justified. “Brother Paul, you can tell them we
told you so!” They were not hiding in darkness, “Anonymous” and “concerned
citizen gal.” Would the apostle Paul condemn anonymously or teach
and encourage others to do so?
Manifestly, we are not hiding in darkness because we are children
of the Light of the world, the Lord Jesus Christ. How is it that I
am a “whack,” speaking boldly and openly, while you are
a “Christian,” hiding in the dark, “Anonymous”?
Even in her darkness, Carla Rolfe concedes that we do not hide our
identity, unlike false critics, as you do. Not that she does it for
Anonymous, I don’t care who you are, but I am ready to meet
you face-to-face anywhere and anytime reasonable, with as many friends
and supporters as you are willing to bring along. Will that give you
some security and encouragement to walk in the light (I speak with
tongue in cheek)? We can talk and you, “just a Christian from
Canada,” may express specifically your grievances, give us substance,
and perhaps an opportunity to correct things I have done wrong and
to apologize or compensate, if possible, those I have wronged, ostensibly
After all, you say, “Victor and the others
that sit at his right and left hand need to make right all
the wrongs they have done. Their
eternal lives depend on it!” Can I correct something if I don’t
know what it is? Does the Lord not counsel His children so? Let’s
“But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell
him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have
gained your brother. But if he will not hear you, take one or two more
with you, so that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to
the church. But if he neglects to hear the church, let him be to you
as a heathen and a tax-collector” (Matthew 18:15-17 MKJV).
I don’t recall you coming to me at all with complaint of wrongdoing.
Will you afford me that opportunity, or are you simply satisfied with
publicly condemning, accusing others and casting dispersions by mere
opinion, with no substance at all? You know who the false accuser is,
don’t you, “Christian”? And how does your pastor
feel about your conduct, or does he not know what you are doing?
You make several charges but give no facts:
You call me a “whack.” What is that? Are you sure? Is
that what God would have you to say of me, “Christian”?
Are you a viper, “Anonymous”? They called Jesus a “whack” (“You
are mad,” they said) and He called them vipers. Who was justified?
You say you have visited Harvest
Haven and that “the place gives
you the creeps.”
You confess fear. If Christ is in you, and we are “creepy,” being
in the world, and Christ is greater, how do you justify your fear?
Is your fear our fault – or yours, “Christian”? But
any of us is ready to meet you any time and we will soon see if who
dwells in you is up to facing Who dwells in and with us. Is that fair
enough? Or are you afraid?
(By the way, if you go to the farm site, you will find testimonies
of many who will outright disagree with your feelings of us.)
You condemn me with unsubstantiated opinion, saying I am prideful.
Perhaps I am. So you are the judge of that, are you? Because I know
the Scriptures and speak them, am I therefore “prideful”?
You say I am not a guy one can reason with. I am reasoning now. How
is that? Are my reasonings unreasonable in asking for substance to
back up your opinions? How intelligent are you, “Christian”?
I know of many unbelievers who can reason much better than you, though
you take upon yourself the Name of the Lord. Do you suppose to have
the mind of the Lord? True Christians have His mind, and they can reason,
and are willing to reason. I am reasoning with you. Are you afraid
or speechless, “Anonymous”? Why?
You say that what I say is junk and that I often repeat it, but you
don’t say what it is I say. What is “junk,” Anonymous?
To the Pharisees, vipers, what Jesus said was “junk.” Are
people simply to take your word for it? Nash does. He doesn’t
mind. He knows where we stand and have stood, and he does not like
it, so he is more than willing to have us condemned without trial or
substance. He does not care. He’ll publish any claptrap, even
in the Name of the Lord, just to be seen and heard for his own sake.
So you say my “normal process in Southern
Alberta is to sneek into churches, steal their membership directories
and then send out
letters to the congregation telling them everything that was wrong
with the message and other targeted attacks on leadership in the local
Is that my “normal process”? Would you care to list the
occasions and frequencies in any given period of time? I can say that
such is not my “normal process,” but if it were, and God
was sending me to do so, who are you to criticize? Are you right? Do
you know what you criticize or what I have said? You don’t say.
But I will submit a letter of one of those rare occasions in which
I have done what you say in my “normal process,” a letter
nearly eight years old, which I have kept on file. Of those mentioned
in the letter or of your church, I recall but one that came to our
farm before that letter was written, with whom I had a face-to-face
talk, when you were selling us roasted grain. Right?
Is your conduct that of a child of light, “Christian”?
Or is this the way accusers or devils operate? No doubt your Jesus
would do this, seeing you call yourself Christian, but the One I believe
and serve would not do so. Would you argue, with reason, “Anonymous”?
Is it any wonder that you, your pastors and the entire congregation
was addressed by the Lord in this letter? By the way, your pastor and
his wife prophesied great things over us, seeing visions of us as well
that, ironically, foretold truly what we would be doing, under God’s
direction and favor. Then when their visions were fulfilled in that
we did those things prophesied and envisioned, they and their congregation
did not like it.
This reminds me of Balaam who opposed Israel, yet prophesied good
things of them by the Spirit of the Lord. I am also reminded of Caiaphas,
by whose authority they crucified the Christ, yet who prophesied truly
“And one of them, Caiaphas, being the high priest of that year,
said to them, You do not know anything at all, nor do you consider
that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people,
and not that the whole nation perish. And he did not speak this of
himself, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus
should die for the nation; and not for that nation only, but also that
He should gather together in one the children of God who were scattered
abroad” (John 11:49-52 MKJV).
You say, “Victor is quite pathetic...like
Is Satan “pathetic”? He has you in his grips, does he
not, “pat”? How pathetic are you, if he is your lord, being
You say, “Victors God is what he wants
to make him to be so that he can continue on to fight-fight-fight
for his god.”
What does this mean? Does anyone know? Are we not accused of strife
for evil’s sake? But we are what we are, not because of what
we have made of God, as you evilly surmise, but because of what He
has made of us. We are here doing, as Jude directed by the Spirit,
that which is incumbent on us in the Lord to do:
“Having made all haste to write to you about the common salvation,
beloved, I had need to write to you to exhort you to contend
earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3 MKJV).
Here is the letter I wrote then, to which I believe our secret “Christian” friend
alludes. If it is another, let him say so; better still, let him identify
himself, ask of me, and I will gladly produce it myself, if I have
it. Fair enough?
Now, Carla Rolfe, Craig Nash, and all those others who take pleasure
in false accusation, throwing out gossip and slander against the brethren
in the Lord, when your works are exposed for what they are and you
are reproved and warned, you all need to repent, though it is not likely
expected any time soon. Still, we know that He chooses the person,
time and place. It is only for us to speak the Truth for His sake…and
One day, you will all know your wrong and come to us with shamed faces,
because the Lord promised it would be so. We love you because He loves
you, and we bless you, though you curse us, in Jesus’ Name.
Rejoicing not in slander and hypocrisy, but in the Truth, by His grace,
Here you can read the Letter to the New
Life Church in Taber, Alberta.
Posting by Jen:
“We love you because He loves you, and we bless you, though
you curse us, in Jesus’ Name.”
I wonder, Victor, were you even able to type that line with a straight
jen elslager | Homepage | 03.31.08 - 12:31 am | #
Victor’s reply to Jen:
Very straight, in all sincerity and truth, knowing you would find
that very statement. Do you call me a liar, Jen?
Posting after our postings removed:
I have opted to delete many of the comments that came along over the
last few days. I know you’ll understand, and I just ask that
you might remain in prayer for this situation.
Carla | Homepage | 03.31.08 - 9:55 pm | #
Click HERE to read our conversation with Lisa Nunley.